whey protein

mayo51

Anyone have any opinions on taking 2 scoops of whey protein after a workout?
Would any extra protein be a waste and just disposed of by the body or would 2 scoops build u bigger? Obviously i want to build muscle...

Stench Blossoms

Depends what the rest of your diet looks like.

mayo51

Stench Blossoms wrote: »

Depends what the rest of your diet looks like.

Well like i get plenty of protein during the day. My diet is fairly strict with very little bad fats in it

horsemaster

Taking protein after a workout is great. Most bodybuilders do that. Many take protein before a workout and thats okay too. Bodybuilders take 400 plus gram protein a day. Your body can take in 30g- 40g protein a meal. As you want to build muscles, do this and also have more meals. Many bodybuilders have 6 meals a day. You don't have to eat a lot at each meal. Just get the protein in you. Also remember that all this protein is goin to be hard on your liver so take in lots of water as well as multi vitamins. The number of scoops doesn't really matter. Its how much protein each scoops has. Not all Whey protein have the same amount of protein. Just read the labels and choose which ones are the best value for money. Some brands are cheap but you need more scoops to get the same amount protein than another brand. Good luck!

mayo51

horsemaster wrote: »

Taking protein after a workout is great. Most bodybuilders do that. Many take protein before a workout and thats okay too. Bodybuilders take 400 plus gram protein a day. Your body can take in 30g- 40g protein a meal. As you want to build muscles, do this and also have more meals. Many bodybuilders have 6 meals a day. You don't have to eat a lot at each meal. Just get the protein in you. Also remember that all this protein is goin to be hard on your liver so take in lots of water as well as multi vitamins. The number of scoops doesn't really matter. Its how much protein each scoops has. Not all Whey protein have the same amount of protein. Just read the labels and choose which ones are the best value for money. Some brands are cheap but you need more scoops to get the same amount protein than another brand. Good luck!

But lets say i take 2 scoops after a workout. Will that help make my muscles bigger than one scoop?

Tom_Cruise

mayo51 wrote: »

But lets say i take 2 scoops after a workout. Will that help make my muscles bigger than one scoop?

Yes. If you take 15 scoops you will make your muscle 15 times bigger.

mayo51

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Yes. If you take 15 scoops you will make your muscle 15 times bigger.

its just what i heard. Im new to this so i ask people for tips...

horsemaster

mayo51 wrote: »

But lets say i take 2 scoops after a workout. Will that help make my muscles bigger than one scoop?

Depending on your body, you can only metabolise about 30 grams each meal. Look at the label on the container to see how much protein it has per scoop. Different brands have different amount of protein per scoop. Try to get 30 grams-40 grams each time. In your case, you want to take the same amount after your workout.

Its only if you take more than 40 grams (depends on the individual) you will be wasting protein. For example, if per scoop is 40grams of protein, then 2 scoops would be a waste. If per scoop is 15 grams, then take 2 scoops.

Try not to think about it in terms of scoops. Think instead about the amount of protein grams.

Gummy Panda

horsemaster wrote: »

Depending on your body, you can only metabolise about 30 grams each meal. Look at the label on the container to see how much protein it has per scoop. Different brands have different amount of protein per scoop. Try to get 30 grams-40 grams each time. In your case, you want to take the same amount after your workout.

Its only if you take more than 40 grams (depends on the individual) you will be wasting protein. For example, if per scoop is 40grams of protein, then 2 scoops would be a waste. If per scoop is 15 grams, then take 2 scoops.

Try not to think about it in terms of scoops. Think instead about the amount of protein grams.

This is nonsense. Your body will use all the protein it gets.

horsemaster

Gummy Panda wrote: »

This is nonsense. Your body will use all the protein it gets.

The body will use the protein, but not in a good way. Most of it will be excreted. Also excess protein will create an increase in the amount of Urea. It puts in a heavy load on your liver and kidneys. I mentioned earlier a lot of water also has to be consumed.

OP, the danger in asking asking for answers in boards and forums is that some folks will give good advice and some bad. Some can be downright dangerous. When it comes to health, the person person to give advice is your doctor. I used to be in the health field as a gym instructor and I had to staudy all this nutritinal facts. I am not a doctor though. But I do quite a bit about bodybuilding as I was one many years back. I learned a lot about protein during this time.

You can type "excess protein" in Yahoo search and you will get many sites that will give the same answer I did. Wikipedia on protein says.

" When a high dietary protein intake is consumed, there is an increase in urea excretion, which suggests that amino acid oxidation is increased. High levels of protein intake increase the activity of branched-chain ketoacid dehydrogenase. As a result, oxidation is facilitated, and the amino group of the amino acid is excreted to the liver. This process suggests that excess protein consumption results in protein oxidation and that the protein is excreted. The body is unable to store excess protein. "


Another site says the same http://www.acefitness.org/fitnessqanda/fitnessqanda_display.aspx?itemid=272

Please do a little more search online using the the words "excess protein" and I am sure you will get your answers. Good luck.

Gummy Panda

horsemaster wrote: »

The body will use the protein, but not in a good way. Most of it will be excreted. Also excess protein will create an increase in the amount of Urea. It puts in a heavy load on your liver and kidneys. I mentioned earlier a lot of water also has to be consumed.

OP, the danger in asking asking for answers in boards and forums is that some folks will give good advice and some bad. Some can be downright dangerous. When it comes to health, the person person to give advice is your doctor. I used to be in the health field as a gym instructor and I had to staudy all this nutritinal facts. I am not a doctor though. But I do quite a bit about bodybuilding as I was one many years back. I learned a lot about protein during this time.

You can type "excess protein" in Yahoo search and you will get many sites that will give the same answer I did. Wikipedia on protein says.

" When a high dietary protein intake is consumed, there is an increase in urea excretion, which suggests that amino acid oxidation is increased. High levels of protein intake increase the activity of branched-chain ketoacid dehydrogenase. As a result, oxidation is facilitated, and the amino group of the amino acid is excreted to the liver. This process suggests that excess protein consumption results in protein oxidation and that the protein is excreted. The body is unable to store excess protein. "


Another site says the same http://www.acefitness.org/fitnessqanda/fitnessqanda_display.aspx?itemid=272

Please do a little more search online using the the words "excess protein" and I am sure you will get your answers. Good luck.

No. This is nonsense as well. Unless you already have kidney issues there is no risk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjmV8BlsJTQ

horsemaster

He says that protein does get absorbed in the body but it doesn't mean it will be used to make muscle. I agree with that. After a certain amount (30gram- 40 gram) of protein, the rest will not be used to build muscle. Some things he said in the video is good information, However, not everything is correct. The information I provided is from decades research done by a lot doctors, biochemists, biomedical researchers, etc. The person in the video just got phD 2 years ago. Anyone can claim to be self claimed expert, but proper research has to be done. For a Clinical trial to happen, it usually takes anywhere from 5-7 years. Usually, there are 5 phases to it. Each phase takes several millions of dollar to complete. This is one of the reasons why medical research is so expensive and time consuming. They are seldom taken by small organizations unless they have grants or financial backing by some organization. This person in the video does not have this kind money I think. He does make valid points about somethings he said, but they are his own. He does talk about some studies that others have done and is making assumptions on it. Assumptions is one thing, but truth is another. When it comes to medical or health matters, it is best to follow what medical doctors say instad of self claimed people in the internet. The internet can provide a lot of good information but not all of them is true. Medical and health information should always be given by qualified people.

Gummy Panda

I give up. This 30 gram myth will never die.

Mellor

horsemaster wrote: »

He says that protein does get absorbed in the body but it doesn't mean it will be used to make muscle. I agree with that. After a certain amount (30gram- 40 gram) of protein, the rest will not be used to build muscle.

Of course it won't all be used to make muscle. Protein is a building block for almost everything in the body. It'll be used for all sorts of things It kind of undermines you whole post if you didn't know this.
And, urea will be a by product of some uses, by that doesn't mean that its ALL be wasted and excreted.

horsemaster wrote: »

Taking protein after a workout is great. Most bodybuilders do that. Many take protein before a workout and thats okay too. Bodybuilders take 400 plus gram protein a day.As you want to build muscles, do this and also have more meals. Many bodybuilders have 6 meals a day.

Bodybuilders take in 400g plus, over 6 meals. That's over 65g per meal. Maybe even 100g per meal.

Are you suggesting that most of this protein is wasted and excreted. And doesn't help build and maintain muscles :rolleyes:


You point about medical research is nonsense. How is that relevant? You haven't done any research to make these points, you are just repeating what you've heard. If you actually look up the source study for the 30g of protein myth, its something like;
The rate of protein metabolisation doesn't increase after 30g. Which means that you don't digest it any faster, not that doesn't digest at all. It was also restricted to a short time frame. Some meals will take hours to digest. In fact you could still be digesting your last by the time you eat the next.

double GG

I'm pretty sure Intermittent fasters who eat all the calories in 4 hour windows per day also completely debunk the 30g myth.

http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/is-there-a-limit-to-how-much-protein-the-body-can-use-in-a-single-meal/

May be a nice read for some people.

Ant11

Protein myth debunked here too.

http://www.leangains.com/2010/10/top-ten-fasting-myths-debunked.html?m=1