Motor tax gone up already?

ION08

So I got my motor tax renewal form and to my surprise the price seems to have gone up.

It's for a 1896cc, which I last taxed in October for 3 Months. It cost me €176 then (or 626 per year)

My renewal notice is now quoting me €190 for the next 3 months (or 673 per year)

I realise they announced motor tax increases in the budget but I thought they only come into effect as of next year?

Can anyone please clarify?

Supergurrier

Shurre use the christmas bonus and pay 2 years up front

ION08

Ah well that clarifies it! :rolleyes:

YbFocus

ION08 wrote: »

So I got my motor tax renewal form and to my surprise the price seems to have gone up.

It's for a 1896cc, which I last taxed in October for 3 Months. It cost me €176 then (or 626 per year)

My renewal notice is now quoting me €190 for the next 3 months (or 673 per year)

I realise they announced motor tax increases in the budget but I thought they only come into effect as of next year?

Can anyone please clarify?

Ah for gods sake!! Are you serious!! I know this isn't helping
Christ almighty it was only supposed to come in in the new year I think.

I'll have to pay 190 now too

corktina

ION08 wrote: »

So I got my motor tax renewal form and to my surprise the price seems to have gone up.

It's for a 1896cc, which I last taxed in October for 3 Months. It cost me €176 then (or 626 per year)

My renewal notice is now quoting me €190 for the next 3 months (or 673 per year)

I realise they announced motor tax increases in the budget but I thought they only come into effect as of next year?

Can anyone please clarify?

lets see now, OCT, NOV DEC is three months and that takes us to, oh yes, January next year....

wonski

ION08 wrote: »

So I got my motor tax renewal form and to my surprise the price seems to have gone up.

It's for a 1896cc, which I last taxed in October for 3 Months. It cost me €176 then (or 626 per year)

My renewal notice is now quoting me €190 for the next 3 months (or 673 per year)

I realise they announced motor tax increases in the budget but I thought they only come into effect as of next year?

Can anyone please clarify?

Renewal form is for next month, then the price is right since you have it taxed till end of December/January i guess.

gurramok

Mines due for renewal on Jan 1st, received reminder last week and yes the new rip-off price is on it.

largepants

YbFocus wrote: »

Ah for gods sake!! Are you serious!! I know this isn't helping
Christ almighty it was only supposed to come in in the new year I think.

I'll have to pay 190 now too

I presume your renewal is from January so that is the new year.

I know its too late now but you should have renewed before the Budget.

ION08

Yeah the car is currently Taxed 12-12 so the rate which ive been quoted is infact budget 2013 rate then...

Thanks for your smug reply Corktina, I would have thought that since my tax effectively expires at the end of THIS year and I'll also be renewing it THIS year I could still do so under pre-budget rates.

Makes sense though i suppose, still a F%&*ing rip-off though

Thanks

Please Kill Me

ION08 wrote: »

So I got my motor tax renewal form and to my surprise the price seems to have gone up.

It's for a 1896cc, which I last taxed in October for 3 Months. It cost me €176 then (or 626 per year)

My renewal notice is now quoting me €190 for the next 3 months (or 673 per year)

I realise they announced motor tax increases in the budget but I thought they only come into effect as of next year?

Can anyone please clarify?

Likewise, I got my renewal for the Mazda which is up the end of December, but because the new tax period begins in January, it's under the new pricing.

bazz26

Your renewal date is 1/1/13 and you are getting a reminder letter now so the new rates applied are unfortunately the correct rates. It's all relative now but a note for next yeas is that you could have requested a pin a few days before the budget and renewed online at the old rates rather than wait for the reminder letter in the post two weeks before the renewal date.

corktina

ION08 wrote: »

Yeah the car is currently Taxed 12-12 so the rate which ive been quoted is infact budget 2013 rate then...

Thanks for your smug reply Corktina, I would have thought that since my tax effectively expires at the end of THIS year and I'll also be renewing it THIS year I could still do so under pre-budget rates.

Makes sense though i suppose, still a F%&*ing rip-off though

Thanks

you are welcome...not exactly rocket science though

galwaytt

bazz26 wrote: »

Your renewal date is 1/1/13 and you are getting a reminder letter now so the new rates applied are unfortunately the correct rates. It's all relative now but a note for next yeas is that you could have requested a pin a few days before the budget and renewed online at the old rates rather than wait for the reminder letter in the post two weeks before the renewal date.

You can tax it in advance, at old rates. I've done so in the past. The key is to tax it before January 1.

navara man

galwaytt wrote: »

You can tax it in advance, at old rates. I've done so in the past. The key is to tax it before January 1.

don t think so i got my renewal in post last week i whent on to motor tax.ie put in my pin number it came up with the new tax rate

galwaytt

galwaytt wrote: »

........... The key is to tax it before January 1.

So if the OP taxes the car today they'll get the old rates despite the new rates being on the renewal notice? Doubt that tbh.

bazz26

galwaytt wrote: »

You can tax it in advance, at old rates. I've done so in the past. The key is to tax it before January 1.

Don't think so. You can tax in advance the month before it is due alright but in December the old rates only apply prior to the rises being announced on Budget day, once you apply for a PIN online. This is why they tend to delay sending out the renewal reminder letter in December until after the budget.

Tails142

My tax was up 13th December 2012 and I taxed it last week and they made me pay the new rate. I reckon it's a sly move by them.

Stheno

My tax is due to be renewed and is giving me the "old" prices, but it expires before 31/12/12

Karen23

Tails142 wrote: »

My tax was up 13th December 2012 and I taxed it last week and they were giving me the old rate. I reckon it's a sly move by them.

Surely that's because the new rate comes into effect on 1st January so car tax that was due to be renewed in December would be at the old rate and tax to be renewed in January would be at the new rate.

BTW , how can car tax be up on 13th of the month ??

keithclancy

ION08 wrote: »

So I got my motor tax renewal form and to my surprise the price seems to have gone up.

It's for a 1896cc, which I last taxed in October for 3 Months. It cost me €176 then (or 626 per year)

My renewal notice is now quoting me €190 for the next 3 months (or 673 per year)

I realise they announced motor tax increases in the budget but I thought they only come into effect as of next year?

Can anyone please clarify?

1.9TDI eh ... Count yourself lucky .. I just got my Motor Tax Renewal for my 2 liter Diesel .. 370 for 3 months. (up from 356)

Should have came with a free tube of lube.

Stheno

keithclancy wrote: »

1.9TDI eh ... Count yourself lucky .. I just got my Motor Tax Renewal for my 2 liter Diesel .. 370 for 3 months.

Should have came with a free tube of lube.

What year is it?

Sam Kade

keithclancy wrote: »

1.9TDI eh ... Count yourself lucky .. I just got my Motor Tax Renewal for my 2 liter Diesel .. 370 for 3 months. (up from 356)

Should have came with a free tube of lube.

Is that the 6 month rate?

Tails142

Karen23 wrote: »

Surely that's because the new rate comes into effect on 1st January so car tax that was due to be renewed in December would be at the old rate and tax to be renewed in January would be at the new rate.

BTW , how can car tax be up on 13th of the month ??

It says 13th dec on the old disc, and the renewal form said I had until 20th to renew, so they must give you a week to do it from whe it falls due.

Yeah I wish it was the old rate but what can ya do?

Stheno

Tails142 wrote: »

It says 13th dec on the old disc, and the renewal form said I had until 20th to renew, so they must give you a week to do it from whe it falls due.

Yeah I wish it was the old rate but what can ya do?

Are you sure?

Insurance disks state a date to the day, tax disks state e.g. 12/13 not 13/12/13

Neither of our two do anyway

Tails142

Look at this picture:



The text in the bottom half of the disc, what does it say?? a date in dd/mm/yy

I'd have to check what mine said but it must say 13/12/11

Karen23

My tax discs have never stated a date just the month and year for example your current tax disc will expire on the last day if December 2012 and your new disc will commence on the first day of January 2013.

Tails142

yeah karen you have it right apologies. The date in small must be the date you buy the disc.

Well that explains why I got charged the new rate, my old disc did up until the end of december.

Stheno

Tails142 wrote: »

Look at this picture:



The text in the bottom half of the disc, what does it say?? a date in dd/mm/yy

I'd have to check what mine said but it must say 13/12/11

Interesting, I suspect that's the date it was actually renewed, and is nothing to do with when it expires, as motor tax runs to the end of the month in which it expires.

The important one is the 01/12 meaning the tax expires at the end of 01/12

bazz26

Tails142 wrote: »

Look at this picture:



The text in the bottom half of the disc, what does it say?? a date in dd/mm/yy

I'd have to check what mine said but it must say 13/12/11

That is not how it works, the date in big writing at the top is the expiry date. Motor tax alwasy expires at the end of the month, ie the 31st Jan 2012 as per photo above.

unkel

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread. It really is very simple. If you renewed your tax before the budget was announced, you pay the old rate. The new rate was applicable on the evening of budget day

My tax was up at 31/12/2012, but I renewed the day before the budget so I got the old rate

As bazz26 said, you can request a pin online at motortax.ie, they email it to you in seconds so you can tax the car online straight away

Stheno

unkel wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread. It really is very simple. If you renewed your tax before the budget was announced, you pay the old rate. The new rate was applicable on the evening of budget day

My tax was up at 31/12/2012, but I renewed the day before the budget so I got the old rate

As bazz26 said, you can request a pin online at motortax.ie, they email it to you in seconds so you can tax the car online straight away

See unkel, this is what's weird. My tax expired end Oct, but the car has been off the road since, I went online tonight to check what the rate would be if I renewed online this week and it's giving me the old rates of 186 for three months!

unkel

That is weird. Maybe it is to do with arrears? Once your tax is out by more than a month, you have to pay arrears.

Our man in Havana

Tails142 wrote: »

Look at this picture:



The text in the bottom half of the disc, what does it say?? a date in dd/mm/yy

I'd have to check what mine said but it must say 13/12/11

That tax is well out of date.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

See unkel, this is what's weird. My tax expired end Oct, but the car has been off the road since, I went online tonight to check what the rate would be if I renewed online this week and it's giving me the old rates of 186 for three months!

Your disc would be for month start Dec, thus old rate
My tax expired in Nov, taxed it over the weekend, old rate

djimi

How far in advance of your expiry can you request a pin online? Presumably you can only do it in the month when you would be receiving your renewal anyway?

biko

Just paid for tax for jan, feb, mar and had to pay new price.

Fizman

unkel wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this thread. It really is very simple. If you renewed your tax before the budget was announced, you pay the old rate. The new rate was applicable on the evening of budget day

My tax was up at 31/12/2012, but I renewed the day before the budget so I got the old rate

As bazz26 said, you can request a pin online at motortax.ie, they email it to you in seconds so you can tax the car online straight away

I thankfully availed of this too. I know that if I left it go, I'd end up just doing every 3 months again next year, so 4 x €200 would have been €800 for the year for me. So essentially made a saving of €140 by doing it pre-budget. It's all relative though, it's a pain forking that much out up front now, especially as my insurance is up on Jan 3rd for €675, but long term will be worth it.

keithclancy

Sam Kade wrote: »

Is that the 6 month rate?

Nope, its the 3 month rate (Dutch) for a Volvo V50 2.0 D 2005.

1480 Euros per year

ION08

keithclancy wrote: »

Nope, its the 3 month rate (Dutch) for a Volvo V50 2.0 D 2005.

1480 Euros per year

Shocking stuff. That's absolutely extortionate!

Any link to dutch motor tax rates out of curiosity? .. cant seem to find anything online

galwaytt

keithclancy wrote: »

Nope, its the 3 month rate (Dutch) for a Volvo V50 2.0 D 2005.

1480 Euros per year

...you need a lighter car....

unkel

galwaytt wrote: »

...you need a lighter petrol car....

FYP

Motor tax in the Netherlands is very expensive for diesel and LPG cars compared to petrol. I wish it was the same here

unkel

biko wrote: »

Just paid for tax for jan, feb, mar and had to pay new price.

You'll remember next year to tax it the day before budget day so

unkel

unkel wrote: »

You'll remember next year to tax it the day before budget day so

Unless the pipelined protests and prophecy of falling revenue result in lower rates in budget 2014.

unkel

RoverJames wrote: »

Unless the pipelined protests and prophecy of falling revenue result in lower rates in budget 2014.

I think both your and my expectations in this regard are equally pessimistic, RJ

keithclancy

unkel wrote: »

FYP

Motor tax in the Netherlands is very expensive for diesel and LPG cars compared to petrol. I wish it was the same here

From: http://www.belastingdienst.nl/rekenhulpen/motorrijtuigenbelasting/
Kerb Weight - 1400KG
Volvo V50 2.0 Petrol - Noord Brabant.

Tax Per Quarter: € 180,00
Tax Per Year: € 720,00

Although Petrol is 1.78 / liter at the moment so ... they get you anyway :pac::pac:

Think the same car would be 660 per year in Ireland

Our man in Havana

So is NL taxes rates regional? Do you pay more in certain areas?

keithclancy

Our man in Havana wrote: »

So is NL taxes rates regional? Do you pay more in certain areas?

Yes, I have no idea why to be honest

Hal1

Taxing for 3 or 6 months isn't saving you anything. Tax for the year and forget about it.

Our man in Havana

Hal1 wrote: »

Taxing for 3 or 6 months isn't saving you anything. Tax for the year and forget about it.

Good man there Mr Lodsamoney!

keithclancy

Hal1 wrote: »

Taxing for 3 or 6 months isn't saving you anything. Tax for the year and forget about it.

Its not about saving anything.

Why not just pay your phone subscription all in one go in that case ?
Or your ESB and Gas too .. sure it would save you money, in case the prices go up during the year.

unkel

keithclancy wrote: »

Kerb Weight - 1400KG
Volvo V50 2.0 Petrol - Noord Brabant.

Tax Per Quarter: € 180,00
Tax Per Year: € 720,00

Same car same weight diesel is twice that!!!

2l petrol in Ireland (pre '08) is now €710 so pretty much the same