Sean Idiot from NRA gives permission for people to drive in middle lane

DubTony

Just heard that PR guy, the one with the silly accent, from the NRA basically tell people that driving in the middle lane of the M50 is ok because the guy outside of you is passing and the guy on the inside is getting ready to turn off.

Even my wife cursed at the radio.

spank_inferno

Yep, just heard that.
He didnt seem to have any issue with it.

Eireann81

DubTony wrote: »

Just heard that PR guy, the one with the silly accent, from the NRA basically tell people that driving in the middle lane of the M50 is ok because the guy outside of you is passing and the guy on the inside is getting ready to turn off.

Even my wife cursed at the radio.

What a moron!

Voodoomelon

*subscribed*

hi5

It might work if those in the middle lane drove at the speed limit, but they don't.

Eireann81

I didn't hear the story on the radio but does this mean that the rules of the road are different for the M50 compared to the rest of the country?

listermint

Eireann81 wrote: »

I didn't hear the story on the radio but does this mean that the rules of the road are different for the M50 compared to the rest of the country?

No it means the NRA is run by morons.

Where To

Going by my own dealings with the NRA, I'm not surprised.

Yep on of my major hates, it's like the people who think coming down a motorway slip road to join the motorway at 30-40 mph is acceptable or safe when traffic is doing 60-70+ mph, they don't care that it causes major slow downs. They seem to think that it's wrong to get ahead of a car on the left lane that they must join the motorway behind a driver already in the left lane. Drives me nuts!

You will never change the way people drive in this country, everyone expects to be taken by the hand and shown what to do and they can't hack it if that doesn't happen, no cop on.

joujoujou

listermint wrote: »

[...] the NRA is run by morons.

Not really a surprise (as mentioned above) I'd say.

munchkin_utd

Eireann81 wrote: »

I didn't hear the story on the radio but does this mean that the rules of the road are different for the M50 compared to the rest of the country?

theres no mention in the rules of the road about what to do on Auxilliary lanes which seems to be what is the question here.

The international practice though is that you CAN go faster on Auxilliary lanes and acceleration/ deceleration/ merge/ de-merge lanes as they are technically part of a different road so it is you travelling in parallel to the mainline traffic at a faster speed rather than overtaking (because to overtake someone you have to be on the same road as them, which you technically arent)

joujoujou

Well, OK, but how to determine which lane is a part of different road, which one is not? Continuous lines, or what?

AugustusMinimus

To top it off, that fool Conor Faughnan will prob back him up.

If the RSA doesn't understand simply rules of the road, what hope does this country have

blackwhite

He also harped on about how the planned upgrade at Newlands Cross would be of huge benefit to those driving to/from Galway :rolleyes:

I've sent emails to the NRA and to Sean O'Neill - the idiot in question - (copying our dear Minister for Transport minister@dttas.ie on both emails). I've asked why this gobsh*te is recommending that people break the law when driving on the M50.

All that wasted money converting the M50 to 3 lanes. Its effectively a 2 lane the way its utilized.

challengemaster

Eireann81 wrote: »

I didn't hear the story on the radio but does this mean that the rules of the road are different for the M50 compared to the rest of the country?

No, as usual it means the people who should know the road traffic laws most, haven't got a fúcking clue.

JJJJNR

So if its ok for them to drive in the middle lane is it ok for me to under take them.. as they never go at the speed limit and when I am in the (IMO) correct lane and under take them I'm breaking the law, has this been changed also..

AugustusMinimus

cisk wrote: »

All that wasted money converting the M50 to 3 lanes. Its effectively a 2 lane the way its utilized.

Exactly. Ditto on the Naas Dual carriageway (or as the RSA call it, the "Galway road".)

Kevvv

JJJJNR wrote: »

So if its ok for them to drive in the middle lane is it ok for me to under take them.. as they never go at the speed limit and when I am in the (IMO) correct lane and under take them I'm breaking the law, has this been changed also..

Perfectly OK to overtake someone on the inside as long as your doing the speed limit.

JJJJNR

JJJJNR wrote: »

So if its ok for them to drive in the middle lane is it ok for me to under take them.. as they never go at the speed limit and when I am in the (IMO) correct lane and under take them I'm breaking the law, has this been changed also..

Of course if you are doing the speed limit and they are in the middle doing 80 kph as is often the cast on the N7. But it's not undertaking, to undertake you would have to be untertaking in the hard shoulder. And that's only acceptable on a national route if another driver is turning right.

Akrasia

Deleted User wrote: »

Of course if you are doing the speed limit and they are in the middle doing 80 kph as is often the cast on the N7. But it's not undertaking, to undertake you would have to be untertaking in the hard shoulder. And that's only acceptable on a national route if another driver is turning right.

It is illegal to overtake someone on the left at cruising speeds on a motorway. Even if you think that the other driver's cruising speed is too low.

You can pass someone on the left if you are merging onto the motorway and your merging speed is higher than the cruising speed of the traffic already on the motorway, but that's the Only circumstance where it is legal.

In circumstances where traffic is travelling at less than 10kph then normal filtering rules apply and you can overtake on both sides according to traffic flow.

Akrasia

Kevvv wrote: »

Perfectly OK to overtake someone on the inside as long as your doing the speed limit.

You need to re-sit your driver theory exam and if you have a license, it should be taken from you.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

It is illegal to overtake someone on the left at cruising speeds on a motorway. Even if you think that the other driver's cruising speed is too low.

You can pass someone on the left if you are merging onto the motorway and your merging speed is higher than the cruising speed of the traffic already on the motorway, but that's the Only circumstance where it is legal.

In circumstances where traffic is travelling at less than 10kph then normal filtering rules apply and you can overtake on both sides according to traffic flow.

Sorry no this is wrong.

You mean to tell me that if someone is doing 30 mph on a 3 lane road that I, doing 100 kph should slow down and not pass them or hop from the left lane into the far right lane and over take them ? or over take them in the right lane before I meet them and back to the far left lane ?

No that is wrong.

The undertaking thing only applies to the shoulder, you are not undertaking another car by passing them in the left lane you are simply driving to the speed limit and they are going slower in the middle lane, simple as that.

Akrasia

Akrasia wrote: »

You need to re-sit your driver theory exam and if you have a license, it should be taken from you.

WRONG,

undertaking applies to the shoulder or if someone is turning right.

galwaytt

....anyone got a link to this muppet on the radio ?

What show/station ?

challengemaster

Deleted User wrote: »

Sorry no this is wrong.

You mean to tell me that if someone is doing 30 mph on a 3 lane road that I, doing 100 kph should slow down and not pass them or hop from the left lane into the far right lane and over take them ? or over take them in the right lane before I meet them and back to the far left lane ?

No that is wrong.

The undertaking thing only applies to the shoulder, you are not undertaking another car by passing them in the left lane you are simply driving to the speed limit and they are going slower in the middle lane, simple as that.

You're wrong.

And as stupid as what you've said is, legally it's the correct way. The only correct way.


also, undertaking is what an undertaker does. Overtaking on the left is what you're referring to.

Road Traffic Act wrote:

(4) Subject to the provisions of sub-article (5), a driver shall overtake on the right and shall not move in towards the left until it is safe to do so.

(5) A driver may only overtake on the left—

( a ) where the driver of the vehicle about to be overtaken has signalled an intention to turn to the right and the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after overtaking, to go straight ahead or to turn to the left,
( b ) where the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after overtaking, to turn left at the next road junction and has signalled this intention,
( c ) in slow moving traffic, when vehicles in the traffic lane on the driver's right are moving more slowly than the overtaking vehicle.

wonski

Voodoomelon wrote: »

*subscribed*

I wonder how many posts does it normally take to figure out if undertaking is allowed, what is undertaking, and why people go slow in fast lane?
Subscribed too:D

challengemaster

challengemaster wrote: »

You're wrong.

And as stupid as what you've said is, legally it's the correct way. The only correct way.

You are not getting it,

undertaking only applies to the hard shoulder meaning you can only be overtaking if you are driving in the hard shoulder.

I can't be undertaking someone if I'm driving on a road in a lane designated for driving in at the speed limit or below.

The peole driving in the shoulder with the indicators on 3 miles before the slip road while everyone else is stuck on the road is what undertaking is.

You are allowed to undertake if on a singel carriage road and someone is turning right.

And you can simply disagree with me in proper manner, calling what I say stupid and insulting me in public is not a good reflection on you, a little bit of respect goes a long way !

Berty

Saw what he wants. People don't listen to the right way or the wrong way of doing things. RSA ads themselves are a waste of money.

I will happily stay in the left lane unless I actually need to overtake somebody. If I undertake anybody FVCK EM. They don't care about me so why should I care about them. I do watch them very carefully in case they switch lanes suddenly.

I also make no apology for undertaking people in this manner.

Anjobe

challengemaster wrote: »

You're wrong.

And as stupid as what you've said is, legally it's the correct way. The only correct way.


also, undertaking is what an undertaker does. Overtaking on the left is what you're referring to.

Quite so, heres the relevant paragraph from the rules of the road:

Overtaking

Overtake only on the right, unless traffic is travelling in slow moving queues and the traffic queue on your right is travelling more slowly than you are. If you intend to move from a slower lane to a faster lane, adjust your speed first.

challengemaster

challengemaster wrote: »

You're wrong.

And as stupid as what you've said is, legally it's the correct way. The only correct way.


also, undertaking is what an undertaker does. Overtaking on the left is what you're referring to.

There is no such thing as a fast lane on the N7 or M50, it's simply 3 lanes with a speed limit of "up to" 100 kph applied, nothing more or nothing less, therefore someone driving at 80 kph in the right lane is doing nothing illegal or wrong by the rules of the road.

challengemaster

Deleted User wrote: »

You are not getting it,

undertaking only applies to the hard shoulder meaning you can only be overtaking if you are driving in the hard shoulder.

I suggest you read the road traffic act (which I've quoted for you above). Or at the very least, give some evidence for what you're saying. Because currently, you're just spouting nonsense.

And you can simply disagree with me in proper manner, calling what I say stupid and insulting me in public is not a good reflection on you, a little bit of respect goes a long way !

If you had any comprehension of English, you'd understand what I meant.

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no such thing as a fast lane on the N7 or M50, it's simply 3 lanes with a speed limit of "up to" 100 kph applied, nothing more or nothing less, therefore someone driving at 80 kph in the right lane is doing nothing illegal or wrong by the rules of the road.

This is why you shouldn't have a driving license. Any multiple lane road consists of 1 driving lane and all other lanes are overtaking lanes. There is no such thing as a fast lane.

Zubeneschamali

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no such thing as a fast lane on the N7 or M50

There's no such thing as a fast lane.

fearcruach

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no such thing as a fast lane on the N7 or M50, it's simply 3 lanes with a speed limit of "up to" 100 kph applied, nothing more or nothing less, therefore someone driving at 80 kph in the right lane is doing nothing illegal or wrong by the rules of the road.

There's no such thing as a "fast lane" anywhere. There is one driving lane and two overtaking lanes. A very common question at the start of the driving test these days. If you answer the tester with "drive in any lane, they're all the same" then you're going to fail that question. You drive in the leftmost lane and use the other lanes to overtake as need, then move back to the left.

Edit: Zubeneschamali said already about no such thing as a fast lane.

GE90

Deleted User wrote: »

You are not getting it,

undertaking only applies to the hard shoulder meaning you can only be overtaking if you are driving in the hard shoulder.

I can't be undertaking someone if I'm driving on a road in a lane designated for driving in at the speed limit or below.

The peole driving in the shoulder with the indicators on 3 miles before the slip road while everyone else is stuck on the road is what undertaking is.

You are allowed to undertake if on a singel carriage road and someone is turning right.

And you can simply disagree with me in proper manner, calling what I say stupid and insulting me in public is not a good reflection on you, a little bit of respect goes a long way !

Undertaking is passing someone out on the left side and is illegal in ireland unless the car being passed is turning right or in slow moving traffic.

On a road with more then one driving lane the rule is keep left unless overtaking ie the only reason you should be in the right lane is to overtake.

http://www.rotr.ie/rules-for-driving/motorways/on-the-motorway.html

mullingar

Deleted User wrote: »

....therefore someone driving at 80 kph in the right lane is doing nothing illegal or wrong by the rules of the road....

WTF??????

When did you do your test??, or were you one of those who got a licence without doing a driving test in the 80's?


There is only 1 driving lane (the left lane!), any other lanes are for OVERTAKING ONLY

djimi

Deleted User wrote: »

There is no such thing as a fast lane on the N7 or M50, it's simply 3 lanes with a speed limit of "up to" 100 kph applied, nothing more or nothing less, therefore someone driving at 80 kph in the right lane is doing nothing illegal or wrong by the rules of the road.

The right hand lane(s) is/are over for overtaking.

All traffic is supposed to be in the left hand lane, unless they are in process of overtaking, in which case they must merge back into the left hand lane once the move has been completed and it is safe to do so.

It is against the law for a car in a left hand lane to pass out a car in the right hand lane, unless they are in stop-start traffic.

These are the basic rules of motorway/dual carraigeway driving.

challengemaster

challengemaster wrote: »

If you had any comprehension of English, you'd understand what I meant.

Fair enough I'll give ye that one, shouldn't be on boards.ie in work.

osheen

djimi wrote: »

The right hand lane(s) is/are over for overtaking.

All traffic is supposed to be in the left hand lane, unless they are in process of overtaking, in which case they must merge back into the left hand lane once the move has been completed and it is safe to do so.

It is against the law for a car in a left hand lane to pass out a car in the right hand lane, unless they are in stop-start traffic.

These are the basic rules of motorway/dual carraigeway driving.

So if i'm driving my truck at 80kph in a line of other trucks we should all move out to the right lane (illegally) to pass the cars in the centre lane doing 75kph ?

BTW folks I'm right so put that in yez r pipe and smoke it ! haha

This thread will go on and on and on

ALL MODS take note, I started a thread a while back called middle lane drivers and it was promptly closed because it was talked about so often on boards.ie, well this topic has been discussed to death too so close it !!!

MMAGirl

I heard him. He was talking about the extra lane to the turnoff with the squarish line on it. Like the one going northbound on the m50 towards the exit for the m2.
Nobody who isnt turning off should be driving in that lane.
And sometimes it moves faster than the traffic in the lane on the right.
Seemed a fair enough comment to me.

djimi

osheen wrote: »

So if i'm driving my truck at 80kph in a line of other trucks we should all move out to the right lane (illegally) to pass the cars in the centre lane doing 75kph ?

In a car you would have to cross two lanes to get to the right hand lane to overtake the legally. In a truck where you cannot use the right hand land you slow down to 75kmph so that you do not pass the cars out illegally on the inside lane.

To be honest I dont agree with the law but it is what it is.

AndyTheDude

Whenever I'm on the M50 I never drive on the left hand lane, too many exits/cars joining in.

My thinking is:
left hand lane: vehicles driving below 100km/h,
middle lane: good guys obeying the speed limit driving at 100km/h,
right hand lane: those who like to push the system a bit - you can actually find me there when I'm at work and driving my van at 115-120km/h.

Left hand lane is for idiots/losers, let's be honest about that.

Happy Christmas.

GE90

osheen wrote: »

So if i'm driving my truck at 80kph in a line of other trucks we should all move out to the right lane (illegally) to pass the cars in the centre lane doing 75kph ?

By law you have no choice but wait until the car in lane 2 moves to lane 1 and then overtake in lane 2. This is why driving in any other lane then lane 1 when not overtaking is extreamly stupid.

On a motor way with two lanes by law you never allowed to overtake.

spank_inferno

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Left hand lane is for idiots/losers, let's be honest about that.

Happy Christmas.

Hey!

The left lane is where it's at.

On the odd occasion I am on that part of the M50 I happily drive there.
Most of the time I have the lane all to myself.

Zubeneschamali

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Left hand lane is for idiots/losers, let's be honest about that..

So idiots/losers in the left, ignoramuses in the middle and fast cars in the right lane.

Got it.

fearcruach

Deleted User wrote: »

BTW folks I'm right so put that in yez r pipe and smoke it ! haha

This thread will go on and on and on

ALL MODS take note, I started a thread a while back called middle lane drivers and it was promptly closed because it was talked about so often on boards.ie, well this topic has been discussed to death too so close it !!!

It's nice to see that you hold the ROTR in such disdain. It's clearly stated in the ROTR that your view is incorrect and illegal.

magnavox

spank_inferno wrote: »

Hey!

The left lane is where it's at.

On the odd occasion I am on that part of the M50 I happily drive there.
Most of the time I have the lane all to myself.

The left lane of the M50 is practically always deserted when I'm on it, it's great!

Henry Ford III

A couple of thoughts:

1/. The guy from the NRA is in no position to give permission for anything. His bosses would really want to recheck his christmas bonus because his advice is both illegal and dangerous.

2/. Mad_Lad - I genuinely hope I never encounter you whilst driving. You couldn't be more wrong on this issue.

jprender

There is a lot more to worry about in this thread than what the NRA guy said

fearcruach

fearcruach wrote: »

It's nice to see that you hold the ROTR in such disdain. It's clearly stated in the ROTR that your view is incorrect and illegal.

Thanks but i'll stick to the left lane as I do and I refuse to exit the lane with no one in front and have to go all the way to the right lane in order to pass a middle lane driver. No thanks.