Feminist mob attempt to shut down talk on equality for males - MOD NOTE POST 10

harrietharmman

Recently in Toronto the highly respected writer, Dr Warren Farrell was to give a talk on what he terms "The Boy Crisis". This includes issues such as schools failing boys, the high suicide rate in young men, family breakdown etc).

Unfortunately, the local feminists and socialists took offence at him addressing such an issue and tried to shut down the talk, deliberately taking a few of his quotes out of context and pretending it was "hate speech". Note, they didn't simply protest, but the blockaded all entrances, shouted abuse at anyone trying to attend and they actually succeeded in their censorship for an hour until the police thankfully intervened.

(warning, video contains foul and abusive language and crazed feminists)

Their conduct is disgusting, and it's pretty disturbing that the Canadian union of public officials even supported this violent mob. Universities are supposed to be all about debate, discussion and free speech, yet the feminists seek the exact opposite of this for Toronto. Furthermore their abusive of police for protecting freedom of speech and doing what they're supposed to is pretty awful, and to simply label opinions they don't' agree with as "hate speech" has to be the lowest form of debate possible.


Some media coverage:

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/m.../2017271843001
http://www.cjad.com/blog/TommySchnur...tryID=10471455
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0a6VL1A8dc

Here's the full 2 and half hour event that they were so opposed to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6w1S8yrFz4


Thankfully the whole thing is now backfiring on them and is exposing the hateful side of feminism. The video has gone pretty viral, please send it to your friends so it gets the attention it deserves.

iptba

Has anyone organised similar meetings in Ireland? It would be interesting to know the reaction.

lechiennoir

That, my friends, is the face of feminism. Men's rights = hate speech, those speaking about male issues = rape apologists and those who wish to attend a talk on men's issues are rape apologist supporters or indeed rape apologists themselves.

These people are destroying society. I hope this goes viral, I hope feminism becomes a bigger target for hatred than it already is and I hope we see society fight back against these cretins.

Hurricane Carter

I'm really glad that's happened.

Hopefully the world will see what the true face of feminism really is behind the obvious facade presented to the public.

Let's face it, are we surprised? I'm not.

Dravokivich

Sheep is all they are. Not feminists.

Was a sheep myself once, but then asked what the heck did I think I was doing, I realized I wasn't thinking. One day when they start thinking, they are going to hope their face doesn't show up in that video.

cian68

Looks like a lot of white people who have never been oppressed but want something to rebel against because they are in college.

jaffacakesyum

Jesus christ...that sh1t cray! Some of the people in that video are disgusting the way they're shouting and humiliating people.

However, if the speaker did indeed call date rape "exciting", that's pretty horrible too.

lechiennoir wrote: »

That, my friends, is the face of feminism. Men's rights = hate speech, those speaking about male issues = rape apologists and those who wish to attend a talk on men's issues are rape apologist supporters or indeed rape apologists themselves.

These people are destroying society. I hope this goes viral, I hope feminism becomes a bigger target for hatred than it already is and I hope we see society fight back against these cretins.

Hurricane Carter wrote: »

I'm really glad that's happened.

Hopefully the world will see what the true face of feminism really is behind the obvious facade presented to the public.

Let's face it, are we surprised? I'm not.

Why tar all feminists with the same brush? That's no better than what these crazy women are promoting in the video

Hurricane Carter

Because I've yet to see feminists want actual equality.

iptba

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Jesus christ...that sh1t cray! Some of the people in that video are disgusting the way they're shouting and humiliating people.

However, if the speaker did indeed call date rape "exciting", that's pretty horrible too.

Warren Farrell is not a loud-mouthed men's rights activist. I can't remember the details but I recall what was said by the protesters was a gross misrepresentation of his views.

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A recording of this talk, which eventually happened an hour late, is available here:

awec

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YumCha

I don't advocate the behaviour in that video, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say Farrell is "highly respected" - after all we are talking about a guy who wrote that parents 'genitally caressing their children [is] really a part of a caring, loving expression."

Link to transcription of the article and scans of magazine (yes it's from Penthouse from the 70s)

This kind of reminds me of that other thread, where posters had been torn down - and everyone got up in arms about the 'feminists', even though the group whose posters were being torn down advocated such thoughts as 'How to slap your way to slavery'.

I wouldn't consider myself a feminist - but if I was a victim of sexual abuse, or domestic abuse - I'd be furious if the perpetrators of either of these viewpoints came to speak here.

iptba

Here's Warren Farrell's Wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell

YumCha wrote: »

I wouldn't consider myself a feminist

May I ask how you became aware of that link? Sounds like it's part of an ad hominem attack by some feminists to discredit him and, by extension, the fathers' rights movement (from looking at the top of the page and a quick look around the site).

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I remember Neil Lyndon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Lyndon writing about what he had to put up with for giving an alternative to the mainstream feminist one.

YumCha

I found it via Google.

Also - I think he's doing a great job of discrediting himself in that first article, are you insinuating that what he said should be held with less disgust because of the site it's hosted on?

harrietharmman

YumCha wrote: »

I don't advocate the behaviour in that video, but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say Farrell is "highly respected" - after all we are talking about a guy who wrote that parents 'genitally caressing their children [is] really a part of a caring, loving expression."

Link to transcription of the article and scans of magazine (yes it's from Penthouse from the 70s)

Nice try at smearing him but the "genitally caressing" bs is a misquote. Farrell states he used the term "generally caressing". It was an interview conducted verbally therefore that link offers no proof of what was said, merely what the interviewer heard.

YumCha

*If* that's true, it's still just one quote out of the entire article where he goes on about incest being positive, the journalist can't have 'misheard' the whole thing.

I'll say it again - I don't support the behaviour shown in the video, but I would be pretty riled up about someone with that type of viewpoint, even if they were giving a talk about something else.

jaffacakesyum

Hurricane Carter wrote: »

Because I've yet to see feminists want actual equality.

Lazy generalisation. I'm sure a lot of women you know are feminists but don't go around telling people they are. Techinically most men I know could even be described as feminists. They want equal rights for men and women.

Similarly, I believe in a lot of issues relating to mens rights but I guess I would not be described as a mens rights activists.

Not all feminists are crazy men-hating bra burners :rolleyes:

Dravokivich

YumCha wrote: »

I wouldn't consider myself a feminist - but if I was a victim of sexual abuse, or domestic abuse - I'd be furious if the perpetrators of either of these viewpoints came to speak here.

Read through about 2/3's of the article linked to on the Liz Library.

You know what the opinion is he's trying to put forward?

Equating all acts of Incest to abuse, is the same as equating all acts of sex to rape.

Not all the incidents of incest he interviewed and investigated were forced upon by either party.

That's all he said, while trying to provide anonymised case studies. You want to know what else is said in that article?

"Warren Farrell admires Giaretto's rehabilitative mission among legitimate victims."

Giaretto's earlier referenced as someone looking to help victims. But bearing in mind that not everyone involved are.

Incest doesn't have to automatically be between related children, or even related adults and related children.

He in no way appears to have advocated abuse.

donfers

iptba wrote: »

Has anyone organised similar meetings in Ireland? It would be interesting to know the reaction.

just my opinion but i think we are slightly more laidback and sensible in general here in Ireland, both men and women, and be they mens rights activists or feminists


I think North America is the worst for it in terms of there being such a culture of fear that the radical feminists that have become almost institutionalised in universities and parts of the media so much so that they can say and do almost anything and can accuse without fear of reprisals knowing full well that few would dare to risk either their reputations or careers by challenging their lies and standing in front of their bandwagon, which was once cheered by all sides but is now unfortunately riding way out of control and knocking down innocent bystanders left, right and centre

I apologies for the length of the previous sentence

lechiennoir

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Not all feminists are crazy men-hating bra burners :rolleyes:

Actually you're right, they're not.

These days they are much, much worse and do a lot more damage to society than just burns on a few bras. Feminism has amounted to little more than misandry and male hatred for decades now and has brought about some of the most destructive social changes in our history.

And while men now struggle to have access to their own children and are regarded as potential pedophiles and abusers by default, these feminists you're so proud of continue to try to damage males.

I know one or two self-professed male feminists and they amount to men with arts degrees who have issues with their fathers and little more. Men who are extremely self-loathing and place women on a pedestal, deeming them perfect in every way by default. The personal issues that perpetuate this outlook of sheer desperation are theirs to deal with alone, I'm afraid.

I do, however, know many men who like myself are egalitarians - interested in genuine equality between the genders. Not the "equality" that feminism promotes - you know the denial of men's rights, the denial of men's issues and the continued preaching of hatred towards those who express an interest in dealing with them.

I am extremely anti-feminist, however I'm absolutely pro-equality and pro-men's rights. Not one of these is conflicting either.

lechiennoir

For whatever it's worth, it's also been shown that the people in this video are primarily members of a socialist student organisation in the college in question. The same kind of group that here in Ireland has previously hijacked and brought violence into student protests to further their own crazed left-wing agenda such as the Socialist Workers Party.

jaffacakesyum

lechiennoir wrote: »

Actually you're right, they're not.

These days they are much, much worse and do a lot more damage to society than just burns on a few bras. Feminism has amounted to little more than misandry and male hatred for decades now and has brought about some of the most destructive social changes in our history.

And while men now struggle to have access to their own children and are regarded as potential pedophiles and abusers by default, these feminists you're so proud of continue to try to damage males.

I know one or two self-professed male feminists and they amount to men with arts degrees who have issues with their fathers and little more. Men who are extremely self-loathing and place women on a pedestal, deeming them perfect in every way by default. The personal issues that perpetuate this outlook of sheer desperation are theirs to deal with alone, I'm afraid.

I do, however, know many men who like myself are egalitarians - interested in genuine equality between the genders. Not the "equality" that feminism promotes - you know the denial of men's rights, the denial of men's issues and the continued preaching of hatred towards those who express an interest in dealing with them.

I am extremely anti-feminist, however I'm absolutely pro-equality and pro-men's rights. Not one of these is conflicting either.

Feminism = The advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

If you are extremely anti-feminist than there's no point in me even arguing with you :rolleyes:

iptba

lechiennoir wrote: »

Not all feminists are crazy men-hating bra burners

Actually you're right, they're not.

These days they are much, much worse and do a lot more damage to society than just burns on a few bras. Feminism has amounted to little more than misandry and male hatred for decades now and has brought about some of the most destructive social changes in our history.

Given quite a lot of people see themselves as feminists, with a small f if not a big one, I'm not sure I agree. There are various sorts of people who see themselves as feminists - there are lots of paths to seeing oneself as a feminist.

Dubhlinner

iptba wrote: »

Given quite a lot of people see themselves as feminists, with a small f if not a big one, I'm not sure I agree. There are various sorts of people who see themselves as feminists - there are lots of paths to seeing oneself as a feminist.

That pretty much makes it a meaningless term. I can't eat steak and then say there are lots of paths to seeing oneself as a vegetarian ffs

donfers

there really are some absolute lunatics in the video, complete lack of self-awareness

the irony of them going on about hate speech and so on when all the vitriol was coming from was of course completley lost on them them and the guys trying to enter showed remarkable composure and self-control not to react to their disgusting bile - it just shows what you're up against when confronting the more radical elements, they damage feminism far far far more than any lecture by this guy could ever do

iptba

Dubhlinner wrote: »

That pretty much makes it a meaningless term. I can't eat steak and then say there are lots of paths to seeing oneself as a vegetarian ffs

I agree with you that what feminism means seems like a bit of a mess. To me, it seems, almost any position can be argued as feminist if one claims it helps women. This can cause problems as it seems to me sometimes two people can disagree with what is a feminist position on something. I think it also means people can then have blind spots about criticisms of it as they can think, "that's not the real/true feminism".

But I stick by my contention that there are different sorts of people who see themselves as feminist. An example is that some people are passionate about abortion rights and see themselves as feminist because of that; other people can be pro-life but also see themselves as a feminist for other reasons.

donfers

iptba wrote: »

I agree with you that what feminism means seems like a bit of a mess. To me, it seems, almost any position can be argued as feminist if one claims it helps women. This can cause problems as it seems to me sometimes two people can disagree with what is a feminist position on something. I think it also means people can then have blind spots about criticisms of it as they can think, "that's not the real/true feminism".

But I stick by my contention that there are different sorts of people who see themselves as feminist. An example is that some people are passionate about abortion rights and see themselves as feminist because of that; other people can be pro-life but also see themselves as a feminist for other reasons.

and that's precisely how they can deflect criticism, by failing to have any kind of uniform or consistent position but instead hide behind some vague rather abstract ideology

so, for example, if one was to criticise the hateful "feminists" in the video then they would retort with "you condone rape/misogynist/you don't want equaly rights for women/scumbag" etc which is of course precisely the type of things they were saying to the guys entering the building

i think these kind of attacks are called ad hominem attacks and they really are lowest of the low in terms of abuse, totally lacking in integrity and tremendously dishonest and damaging

and why do they employ these type of attacks? perhaps as a strategy to allow them to say and do whatever they like without being questioned or challenged

Dravokivich

donfers wrote: »

there really are some absolute lunatics in the video, complete lack of self-awareness

the irony of them going on about hate speech and so on when all the vitriol was coming from was of course completley lost on them them and the guys trying to enter showed remarkable composure and self-control not to react to their disgusting bile - it just shows what you're up against when confronting the more radical elements, they damage feminism far far far more than any lecture by this guy could ever do

I'm not too sure where this comes from. Bit late for me so can't really watch the whole video posted earlier, but appearently he previously spoke up for women's rights. And the opening of his presentation basically he said wasn't going against the idea and need for women's rights, he's just recognised there's other needs for boys and men also which are being completely ignored.

donfers wrote: »

i think these kind of attacks are called ad hominem attacks and they really are lowest of the low in terms of abuse, totally lacking in integrity and tremendously dishonest and damaging

and why do they employ these type of attacks? perhaps as a strategy to allow them to say and do whatever they like without being questioned or challenged

It's an attempt at moral and emotional blackmail, it's meant to either provoke a violent reaction, or show up those who choose to ignore the protesters for heartless bastards. Nothing more. It was truly pathetic when that girl was roaring in the fella's face and he had to ask if he could go anywhere that she wouldn't be able to follow, than she gave out to the police in a similar fashion.

donfers

Dravokivich wrote: »

I'm not too sure where this comes from. Bit late for me so can't really watch the whole video posted earlier, but appearently he previously spoke up for women's rights. And the opening of his presentation basically he said wasn't going against the idea and need for women's rights, he's just recognised there's other needs for boys and men also which are being completely ignored.

yes i agree, it was not my intention to imply that he was anti-women in some way

awec

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Dravokivich

awec wrote: »

IMO what he said is fair enough. I believe he is saying he is against the feminist groups and their idea of equality, and that his idea of equality is somewhat different to theirs.

He pointed directly to a particular group he referred to as "Marxist Feminists," which would suggest he doesn't have an issue with feminism itself.

EDIT:
Just noticed that was in reference to a quote from lechiennoir, not about the guy from the OP.

sam34

lechiennor infracted for post which is little more than lazy generalisations and inflammatory statements.

the mod note earlier in the thread is quite clear.