Iphone 6--Coming July 2013

Blazer

I know it's a bit early especially for those who just bought the iP5

Apparently Apple are going back to a 6 month cycle release for their products to compete with Android manufacturers etc..


According to one Wall Street observer, the new iPhone will include a “super HD” camera and screen, stronger battery and NFC.

What’s more, the iPhone 5S will arrive in a rainbow of colors, or at least 6-8 different colors, according to Jefferies analyst Peter Misek. Also on tap: the iPad 5 with an IGZO screen and more colors…

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2012/12/10/iphone-5s-june-2013/


So what do you want to see in the iphone 6?

Personally I'd like a 4.3 inch screen roughly equivalent to the SamsungS2.
Quad-core with LTE , NFC, 2gb ram.
I'd like SBsettings or something similar widget included as it's badly needed in ios.
Maybe one or two widgets locked down as the last thing you want to see if a flood of widgets being released that are a pile of crap and just drain your battery etc..

Gumbo

S3 sized screen will mean i will move away from any new iPhones.
i dont know what i would like to see in the next one tbh, NFC is a bit meh at the moment, i agree its the next big thing but at present i have used my NFC bank card a sum total of O times!

LTE, not an issue here in Ireland at present, sure doesnt the 5 have LTE?

I would like to see bluetooth/wifi on/off in the notification pull down bar though.
Stronger battery is always good, no matter how well your battery currently performs.

Various colours : i cant believe apple havent done this already tbh.

Creamy Goodness

same story different date was run this time last year.

it's a slow news day.

biko

I believe it when I see it

seamus

Various colours stinks of desperation to me. The iPhone has been Apple's flagship consumer media device for the last five years. For some reason when I think of various colours, I think "iPod" and so offering the phone in these same colours seems like a demotion of the product to just one of the iPod range, a desperate attempt to boost sales by whatever means.

Just a gut feeling, I could be wrong.

Larger screen, no way. That would definitely be desperation, too much of a change. A significantly sharper screen, better camera (the Nokia Lumia is annihilating everyone else on that), 128GB storage. Anything else groundbreaking will come as an iOS update.

mad muffin

What is this? The Onion?

July 2012 OP?

Sad Professor

This isn't a rumour. It's just so-called analysts pulling predictions out of their arse.

eoferrall

kceire wrote: »

S3 sized screen will mean i will move away from any new iPhones.
i dont know what i would like to see in the next one tbh, NFC is a bit meh at the moment, i agree its the next big thing but at present i have used my NFC bank card a sum total of O times!

LTE, not an issue here in Ireland at present, sure doesnt the 5 have LTE?

I would like to see bluetooth/wifi on/off in the notification pull down bar though.
Stronger battery is always good, no matter how well your battery currently performs.

Various colours : i cant believe apple havent done this already tbh.

NFC in your phone has far more uses than just paying for things. can be used for changing settings etc. I have one on computer in work and one swipe changes all the settings for work, ie silent wifi off etc

Regarding the screen I think this will always be a contentious issue with iphones as with effectively only one model they are trying to cater to too wide a market with a wide range of preference.

Wonder if they go for a six month cycle again could they effectively have a 1 year cycle? ie the iphone 5 has one set of design ideolgies regarding screen size and performance etc and the iphone 5s has a bigger screen? then if you want the smaller screen stay on the whole numbers and the bigger stay on the s series?

This would work in my mind as people don't upgrade every 6 months, and the previous phones are on sale from apple for a good few iterations.

PS I believe the title should be 2013...

Dades

This thread is based on a nonsense article.

Is there anyone here who really thinks Apple isn't going to release a 5S next Autumn with a faster processer, better camera, and some other underwhelming update?

Blazer

Dades wrote: »

This thread is based on a nonsense article.

Is there anyone here who really thinks Apple isn't going to release a 5S next Autumn with a faster processer, better camera, and some other underwhelming update?

It's not that..it's that Apple will release it in June returning to a 6 monthly cycle.
That's really the big news here...although I do like the suggestion one chap had above..with alternating cycles for the products.

IamMetaldave

Blazer wrote: »

It's not that..it's that Apple will release it in June returning to a 6 monthly cycle.
That's really the big news here...although I do like the suggestion one chap had above..with alternating cycles for the products.

Surely if it was returning to a 6 month cycle the phone would release in April?

Blazer

IamMetaldave wrote: »

Surely if it was returning to a 6 month cycle the phone would release in April?

You'd think or maybe it'll be
June-Dec ? That way in time for summer and xmas rushes, but you're right..June-Dec would be putting it too close to xmas to fully meet demand..unless they do the radical changes like chassis shape etc in the June runs and incremental speed increases to cpu/gpu etc for the dec runs thus ensuring supply is still plentiful.
I have a 4s and can upgrade to the 5 at three but I'm nearly out of contract and since they removed tethering since last Jan I'm not inclined to sign a new contract. Will hope off and see what else comes out over the next few months.

Sad Professor

Apple have never released anything on a 6 month cycle. I don't think this story is claiming that they will either, just that they may be going back to releasing the iPhone mid-year, rather than in September/October. Which is certainly a possibility.

Duggys Housemate

Dades wrote: »

This thread is based on a nonsense article.

Is there anyone here who really thinks Apple isn't going to release a 5S next Autumn with a faster processer, better camera, and some other underwhelming update?

Me. Not that I think the iPhone 5 was an underwhelming update either, what with everything changing.

I think they will go to a 6 month cycle. This colored iPhone could be the cheaper model - in fact maybe it is the iPod touch, with a sim ( and a separate product to the main one).

In any case its interesting that attempts by Apple to follow the industry - if that is what is happening with larger screens - is desperation, while with everybody else it is just business.

AdMMM

Blazer wrote: »

You'd think or maybe it'll be
June-Dec ? That way in time for summer and xmas rushes, but you're right..June-Dec would be putting it too close to xmas to fully meet demand..unless they do the radical changes like chassis shape etc in the June runs and incremental speed increases to cpu/gpu etc for the dec runs thus ensuring supply is still plentiful.
I have a 4s and can upgrade to the 5 at three but I'm nearly out of contract and since they removed tethering since last Jan I'm not inclined to sign a new contract. Will hope off and see what else comes out over the next few months.

I renewed my contract with Three and can still Tether on the iPhone. As far as I'm aware it's only new customers that won't be able to tether!

murpho999

Blazer wrote: »

It's not that..it's that Apple will release it in June returning to a 6 monthly cycle.
That's really the big news here...although I do like the suggestion one chap had above..with alternating cycles for the products.

I really think you should learn the difference between rumour and news.

There's nothing here at all.

Dades

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Me. Not that I think the iPhone 5 was an underwhelming update either, what with everything changing.

You're reading stuff into my post there, horse! The iP5 was a jump. The "S" models we see every second year aren't.

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I think they will go to a 6 month cycle. This colored iPhone could be the cheaper model - in fact maybe it is the iPod touch, with a sim ( and a separate product to the main one).

The fact that they have historically taken 2 years to materially change each version of the iPhone suggests to me that every 6 months is a nonsense. Even more minor speed bumps etc every six months would be pointless.

whiterebel

AdMMM wrote: »

I renewed my contract with Three and can still Tether on the iPhone. As far as I'm aware it's only new customers that won't be able to tether!

Not according to their T&Cs you can't. Anyone who upgraded or signed new contracts after 1/1/12 can't tether.

Duggys Housemate

Dades wrote: »

You're reading stuff into my post there, horse! The iP5 was a jump. The "S" models we see every second year aren't.

The fact that they have historically taken 2 years to materially change each version of the iPhone suggests to me that every 6 months is a nonsense. Even more minor speed bumps etc every six months would be pointless.

WEll the past is not just for extrapolating, as the wise man said.

Blazer

Sad Professor wrote: »

Apple have never released anything on a 6 month cycle. I don't think this story is claiming that they will either, just that they may be going back to releasing the iPhone mid-year, rather than in September/October. Which is certainly a possibility.

Wrong...new ipad ? Only out 6 months with a refresh already.
Personally i think that's what we're going to see in future.
Apple can't allow android devices to keep outdoing them hardware wise so I think with Cook at the helm he'll switch to a 6 month release for iphone/ipad with incremental updates mid-year and full refresh every year.
Then again I could be completely wrong

Sad Professor

Blazer wrote: »

Wrong...new ipad ? Only out 6 months with a refresh already.

Just because Apple released a new iPad early, breaking their 1 year release schedule, doesn't mean there's going to be a new iPad every 6 months.

murpho999

Blazer wrote: »

Wrong...new ipad ? Only out 6 months with a refresh already.
Personally i think that's what we're going to see in future.
Apple can't allow android devices to keep outdoing them hardware wise so I think with Cook at the helm he'll switch to a 6 month release for iphone/ipad with incremental updates mid-year and full refresh every year.
Then again I could be completely wrong

Android devices are being released by multiple manufacturers at various times so would just be impossible to keep up with.

Think new iPad was driven by new power cable.

Blazer

Sad Professor wrote: »

Just because Apple released a new iPad early, breaking their 1 year release schedule, doesn't mean there's going to be a new iPad every 6 months.

you could also say that potentially they could

Eire Go Brach

They need to change something. Samsung are catching up fast.

Then again. Maybe Apple are just happy to very profitable. They may not care if there no longer the market leading phone.

I personally hope Samsung start eating into them. So Apple drop the price and I get a cheaper iPhone

Creamy Goodness

i can't see apple doing a cheaper phone, then again they could prove me completely wrong.

samsung is just now becoming healthy competition. i just hope apple (now with Ive at the design helm) will beat samsung in form and design as opposed to in the courts.

murpho999

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

They need to change something. Samsung are catching up fast.

Then again. Maybe Apple are just happy to very profitable. They may not care if there no longer the market leading phone.

I personally hope Samsung start eating into them. So Apple drop the price and I get a cheaper iPhone

How are Samsung catching up fast? (Don't forget they sell more than one type of phone)

Why do they need to change something? Wasn't the 5 a change? Have you seen the iPhone 5's sales figures?

Either way I think it's a cycle of both companies striving forward and being successful until something new comes along!

Gumbo

Eire Go Brach wrote: »

So Apple drop the price and I get a cheaper iPhone

They are the same price when comparing like for like

Dont compare a factory unlocked iPhone sold from the apple Store to a network subsidised S3 or similar.

Eire Go Brach

murpho999 wrote: »

How are Samsung catching up fast? (Don't forget they sell more than one type of phone)

Why do they need to change something? Wasn't the 5 a change? Have you seen the iPhone 5's sales figures?

Yes I have. And if you look you will also see samsung are catching up fast with individual handsets. link
Think they need to change iOS. I think it's getting a bit stale. I think there innovating less. But it also could be that smartphones are peaking. Maybe there is not alot more that can be done.

@Kceire. Nah I was not comparing like that. I would just like Apple to feel under pressure. Hoping that they will decrease the price of there phones etc.
I doubt they will though. They never did with Macs.

Fingleberries

Sad Professor wrote: »

Just because Apple released a new iPad early, breaking their 1 year release schedule, doesn't mean there's going to be a new iPad every 6 months.

The article itself is built on rumour and speculation. Of course there's going to be an iPhone 5s, and of course it's going to be released next year.

However, the release timeframe discussed in the article (apparently plucked out of thin air) suggests that Apple may be moving to a mid-year release cycle and not a six-month release cycle.

The iPhone 3G, 3Gs and 4 were all generally announced and released in June / July (mid-year) at an iPhone event. The 4s and 5 being announced released later in the year, replacing the time when Apple traditionally held their iPod event to reveal the new lines of iPods.

There are advantages to a mid-year release - it can stave off people who can't wait for a new phone, and hold off buying a new iPhone because they know there's one coming in September and ensure that production is able to meet demand for the Christmas / Holiday season later in the year.

The advantage to a release later in the year is that Apple can guarantee a bumper Q4, with plenty of headlines about how many bajillion iPhones they sold in 6-weeks. This would drive demand for Q1 of the following year.

A six-month release cycle would be more likely to fragment the platform than establish it further. Which hardware platform should developers focus on when developing an App / Game? If they start desigining something for the 5s when released in June, by the time it would gain any traction the 6 would be out in November, only to be replaced by the 6s in June. How many generations back would Apple support? etc.

The only reason the iPad 4 came so quick was to make the Lightning connector the norm (and they fixed a few issues with the iPad 3 as a clincher to help people move to it).

I would be very surprised if a 6-month cycle became the norm for Apple for iPhones or iPads.

Blazer

I really think they have to, to compete with Samsung and the likes.
Like it or not the flagship android phones are beating Apple on features.
Some gimmicky etc but others extremely useful.
I have an S2 and a 4s.
To playback the 4s on my TV I need to either connect it physically or use airplay via apple tv.
My S2 can stream wirelessly directly to the TV as it's a Samsung as well..I know it's limited to Samsung Tv's but it's an incredibly nice feature to have.
Other stuff like touching the back of the phone for playlists? = shíte
Apple are losing people to Android and existing users as well so they need to stop this decline before it's too late.
Wireless HDMI is the next killer feature in smartphones coming later this year..if Android phones allow this and Apple wait a year to catch up it's again too late.

murpho999

Blazer wrote: »

I really think they have to, to compete with Samsung and the likes.
Like it or not the flagship android phones are beating Apple on features.
Some gimmicky etc but others extremely useful.
I have an S2 and a 4s.
To playback the 4s on my TV I need to either connect it physically or use airplay via apple tv.
My S2 can stream wirelessly directly to the TV as it's a Samsung as well..I know it's limited to Samsung Tv's but it's an incredibly nice feature to have.
Other stuff like touching the back of the phone for playlists? = shíte
Apple are losing people to Android and existing users as well so they need to stop this decline before it's too late.
Wireless HDMI is the next killer feature in smartphones coming later this year..if Android phones allow this and Apple wait a year to catch up it's again too late.

Really the stuff youi're talking about is not used by the average user.

Most people, who wouldn't post here,are not worried about 'wireless hdmi'.

All this talk of Apple losing out but 90% of the smartphones I see in use at work and public transport are iPhones.

Blazer

I completely agree...but there's a reason the S3 is the best selling phone at the moment..it's how Samsung claimed all these features areon it etc...doesn't matter if 90% of people never use them..they just want to be able to claim that their phone has them

kingtiger

murpho999 wrote: »

All this talk of Apple losing out but 90% of the smartphones I see in use at work and public transport are iPhones.

have a look what teenagers are using that's what is important as whatever you use a young age you tend to stick to

while you may have die-hard fans that will always buy an iPhone they will soon be in the minority as Android becomes the dominant platform within the next 2-3 years

Apple need a budget iPhone or they will become another Sony

Duggys Housemate

kingtiger wrote: »

have a look what teenagers are using that's what is important as whatever you use a young age you tend to stick to

while you may have die-hard fans that will always buy an iPhone they will soon be in the minority as Android becomes the dominant platform within the next 2-3 years

Apple need a budget iPhone or they will become another Sony

They do, but they need to keep margins up too. A conundrum.

murpho999

kingtiger wrote: »

have a look what teenagers are using that's what is important as whatever you use a young age you tend to stick to

while you may have die-hard fans that will always buy an iPhone they will soon be in the minority as Android becomes the dominant platform within the next 2-3 years

Apple need a budget iPhone or they will become another Sony

Disagree entirely.

Apple's market is not teenagers but older more affluent type.

Why are you assuming that Android will always stay ahead of the curve.

Nobody knows what OS or platform will be the one to have in the future as something new will come out in years to come.

Also, people are not that brand loyal any more. As soon as something new or different comes out they'll switch at the drop of a hat, just like people switched to Apple from Nokia and Sony Ericsson.

kingtiger

murpho999 wrote: »

Disagree entirely.

Apple's market is not teenagers but older more affluent type.

due to Apple being the first to the market, this is slowly being eroded and when present day teenagers become older and more affluent they will stick to what they know

murpho999 wrote: »

Why are you assuming that Android will always stay ahead of the curve.

Judging by how much Apple have changed their iOS over the last five years I would say its a safe bet

murpho999 wrote: »

Nobody knows what OS or platform will be the one to have in the future as something new will come out in years to come.

not disputing this

murpho999 wrote: »

Also, people are not that brand loyal any more. As soon as something new or different comes out they'll switch at the drop of a hat, just like people switched to Apple from Nokia and Sony Ericsson.

its nothing to do with brand loyalty, its based on looking back at tech history, Sony had the market for a few years with the walkman, VHS / Betamax, IBM \ Microsoft, etc

why do you think there has been a $200 drop in Apples shares over the last few months?

Duggys Housemate

kingtiger wrote: »

due to Apple being the first to the market, this is slowly being eroded and when present day teenagers become older and more affluent they will stick to what they know

Not necessarily. In any case you haven't proven that teenagers buy Androids, thats just anecdotal.

Judging by how much Apple have changed their iOS over the last five years I would say its a safe bet

Android had a lot of catching up to do, iOS has had a lot of under the hood improvements.

its nothing to do with brand loyalty, its based on looking back at tech history, Sony had the market for a few years with the walkman, VHS / Betamax, IBM \ Microsoft, etc

why do you think there has been a $200 drop in Apples shares over the last few months?

The argument you are making is - look at Sony, therefore Apple. Thats not an argument. Most markets stay diverse, with more than one standard.

iOS is going nowhere, in fact Android may be in more long term trouble.

vinnycoyne

Back on topic, please.

G-Money

I don't like how big the screen is on the S3. I think it would be a mistake for them to increase the screen of the iPhone 5S/6 to that size.

whiterebel

G-Money wrote: »

I don't like how big the screen is on the S3. I think it would be a mistake for them to increase the screen of the iPhone 5S/6 to that size.

No way I want one that size. The iPhone 5 is as big as I would want to see it go.

Blazer

4.3 I'd like.
Have the S2 and 4s and I really like the size of the S2 screen..it's big enough for reading,browsin etc without having to zoom in and you can still navigate it with one hand and it feels very comfortable.
The S3 screen was fantastic for browsing etc..but just too bloody big for every day use.
I wouldn't mind the iphone 6 being a fraction wider..even if it kept a similiar width and just went edge to edge.

vader65

My contract is up in June and was going to upgrade to iP5 but think I'll maybe wait

seamus

Bumping for the lulz.

Rumours out today of a iPhone mini or iPhone lite or something on the way to compete with the cheaper Android devices:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipad-iphone/news/?newsid=3419510&pagtype=allchandate

My gut feeling is that Jobs is barely cold in the ground and they're already doing things which he had effectively sworn against, like an iPad mini.

I can't see people jumping at a watered-down iPhone tbh. The current screen is pretty small in relative terms to the rest of the market, so a small screen won't appeal to most smartphone users. Hacking down the hardware will make iOS run like a dog. Hacking down the hardware and crippling iOS to maintain performance would make it far inferior to any android devices on the market.

copacetic

seamus wrote: »

Bumping for the lulz.

Rumours out today of a iPhone mini or iPhone lite or something on the way to compete with the cheaper Android devices:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipad-iphone/news/?newsid=3419510&pagtype=allchandate

My gut feeling is that Jobs is barely cold in the ground and they're already doing things which he had effectively sworn against, like an iPad mini.

I can't see people jumping at a watered-down iPhone tbh. The current screen is pretty small in relative terms to the rest of the market, so a small screen won't appeal to most smartphone users. Hacking down the hardware will make iOS run like a dog. Hacking down the hardware and crippling iOS to maintain performance would make it far inferior to any android devices on the market.

Or glass is proving expensive, make a 4S sized and spec but iphone 5 alu type back and sell it in 8-16GB. Discontinue 4s.

Froyo

Perhaps the failing iPhone 5 will usher in an improved iPhone and OS this summer...

Although many don't use certain features of Android handsets, it's obvious people believe their more expensive device should be capable of the same.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323596204578240440691304344.html

Apple Inc. AAPL -0.62% has cut its orders for components for the iPhone 5 due to weaker-than-expected demand, people familiar with the situation said Monday.

Apple's orders for iPhone 5 screens for the January-March quarter, for example, have dropped to roughly half of what the company had previously planned to order, two of the people said.

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Customers stood outside a KDDI Corp. outlet prior to the launch of the Apple Inc. iPhone 5 in Tokyo in September.

The Cupertino, Calif., company has also cut orders for components other than screens, according to one of the people.

Apple notified the suppliers of the order cut last month, the people said.

The move indicates that sales of the new iPhone haven't been as strong as previously anticipated and demand may be waning. It comes as the company has been facing greater challenges from Samsung Electronics Co. 005930.SE +1.24% and other makers of smartphones powered by Google Inc.'s GOOG -0.20% Android operating system.

While Apple has set the agenda for the smartphone market since it released its first iPhone in 2007, South Korea's Samsung, which sells many Android-based models at various price points, has already overtaken the U.S. company as the world's largest smartphone vendor by market share. Demand is also growing for inexpensive smartphones from Chinese makers such as Huawei Technologies Co.

In the 2012 third quarter, Apple held 14.6% of world-wide smartphone shipments, down from a peak of 23% in the fourth quarter of 2011 and the first quarter of 2012, according to IDC.


Apple cut orders for iPhone 5 components on lower-than-expected demand. The WSJ's Juro Osawa talks about whether sales of Apple's latest smartphone are slowing.

Samsung's share, meanwhile, rose to 31.3% in the third quarter of 2012, compared with 8.8% in the third quarter of 2010.

The Korean company said earlier this month that it expects to report another record operating profit for the fourth quarter of 2012, capping its best year ever amid strong sales of its Galaxy line of smartphones. The company expects an operating profit equivalent to between $8.1 billion and $8.5 billion for the three months ended in December.

Apple is slated to report earnings later this month.

The iPhone 5, released in September, represents Apple's effort to maintain its strong position amid intensifying competition. The latest model comes with a longer, four-inch screen compared with the 3.5-inch screens used in all previous iPhone models.

Japan's Sharp Corp. 6753.TO +12.63% and Japan Display Co. and South Korea's LG Display Co. 034220.SE -2.20% are the three suppliers of the screens, according to people with knowledge of the matter. When the iPhone 5 was launched, there were concerns that suppliers might not be able to produce enough to keep up with demand.

Apple representatives weren't immediately available for comment.

Apple's cut in orders may also affect first-quarter sales of component makers, some of which are largely dependent on the U.S. company. The fact that some iPhone components are highly customized makes it difficult for suppliers to find alternative buyers in a short time frame. Sharp, one of the suppliers of the screens, has been struggling financially with a cash crunch and losses from its television operations.

Japan's Nikkei reported earlier Monday that Apple has slashed its orders for iPhone 5 components.

Duggys Housemate

Be careful with these reports, no stock is as manipulated as Apple's.

Blazer

To be expected and happens on a yearly basis.
Demand is always high at the start of the iphone cycle and gets lower the closer you get to a newer model.
Its now 4-5 months since iphone 5 was launched and each year Apple start to cut back on demand components etc about 6 months into the life cycle.

This happens with most businesses.

super_furry

I think people are becoming immune to the Apple hype. After the broken nonsense that was Siri, the Google Maps and Youtube app fiascos and the fact that really there's barely any difference between an iPhone 3 and a an iPhone 5. Five generations of iPhones and they're still pretty much the same thing with the same IOS. The incremental improvements are too small now and IOS is desperate need of a major overhaul.

Graham

No difference at all apart from the upgraded software and massively upgraded hardware.

Are you suggesting that iOS should be completely different in each new version?

Blazer

super_furry wrote: »

I think people are becoming immune to the Apple hype. After the broken nonsense that was Siri, the Google Maps and Youtube app fiascos and the fact that really there's barely any difference between an iPhone 3 and a an iPhone 5. Five generations of iPhones and they're still pretty much the same thing with the same IOS. The incremental improvements are too small now and IOS is desperate need of a major overhaul.

Barely any difference? I'm sure a lot of 3 owners would disagree with you.
I have to laugh at android owners each release of android...
"woah..Honeycomb here is here...it's so smooth..take that ios.."
woah ICS is here..it's so smooth...take that ios..
woah 4.1 is here..it's so smooth..take that ios..
woah..4.1 with project butter is here..it's so smooth.take that ios"

Had a few conversations with my tech mates who all have android (I have both) and they were boasting about widgets etc..so I asked them..how often do they use them? their answer...only when locking/unlocking the screens etc.
So to me ..widgets are basically useless and a nice to have feature..
There are some that are excellent in fairness such as one touch wifi/bluetooth off etc that should be in ios but for the majority of them? complete rubbish.


One of the reason IOS has barely changed is that it has a very low footprint compared to android and even the iphone 3g was still getting updates 3 years after it's release...how many android devices can claim that?
I'd take a chance and say a big fat zero


Now I'm not against Android and think it's a fantastic mobile OS and definitely more customized than ios etc, but I have huge problems with the lack of security in the app store and the lack of updates that get pushed out to phones.
IOS on the other hand is extremely secure..unless you jailbreak which can leave you open to such..but in fairness how many iphone users jailbreak or even know what it is.
I'd definitely like IOS to grow a bit and add one touch widget for wifi/bluetooth etc but I'm more interested in getting a better battery which lasts days than a fancy widget I glance at once or twice a day.