New Licence issues..

Duffah

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%20B%20FAQ's%20Bikes.pdf

Right so I'm under 24 with a A learner permit(now defunct). According to this it means I can't do my test on my own bike, a GN250, because it's not a minimum of 395cc and between 25kw and 35kw, for the A2 test.
So I've to hire a bike to do my test then? Just want to make sure.
F*cking Rsa

Roadskill

Duffah wrote: »

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%20B%20FAQ's%20Bikes.pdf

Right so I'm under 24 with a A learner permit(now defunct). According to this it means I can't do my test on my own bike, a GN250, because it's not a minimum of 395cc and between 25kw and 35kw, for the A2 test.
So I've to hire a bike to do my test then? Just want to make sure.
F*cking Rsa

Duffa
its actually not the rsa this time. its the EU directive. other countries are doing the same on the same date.

serious3

that link crashed my laptop twice

goodlad

serious3 wrote: »

that link crashed my laptop twice

Your laptop is ****e then.

Faith+1

goodlad wrote: »

Your laptop is ****e then.

I know I shouldn't but LOL! Good one! Can't stop laughing!:D:D

Xaime

Duffah wrote: »

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%20B%20FAQ's%20Bikes.pdf

Right so I'm under 24 with a A learner permit(now defunct). According to this it means I can't do my test on my own bike, a GN250, because it's not a minimum of 395cc and between 25kw and 35kw, for the A2 test.
So I've to hire a bike to do my test then? Just want to make sure.
F*cking Rsa

I am in the same situation. That's why I applied for my test in order to avoid the new legislation. I am doing the test on my CBF250 on December 19th. If I fail I will have to borrow a bike (can't afford one). The new legislation put the biles under 25KWs in frigging limbo. The A2 category should extend to 250 cc

serious3

goodlad wrote: »

Your laptop is ****e then.

well seeing as tho xmas is coming perhaps you would be so kind as to replace it for me?:p

Del2005

serious3 wrote: »

well seeing as tho xmas is coming perhaps you would be so kind as to replace it for me?:p

Have you been nice?

Del2005

Duffah wrote: »

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%20B%20FAQ's%20Bikes.pdf

Right so I'm under 24 with a A learner permit(now defunct). According to this it means I can't do my test on my own bike, a GN250, because it's not a minimum of 395cc and between 25kw and 35kw, for the A2 test.
So I've to hire a bike to do my test then? Just want to make sure.
F*cking Rsa

If you know anyone with a suitable bike you can borrow one, a load of people I know passed on a friends factory restricted bike when the restriction law was ignored for everything bar the test, he just added them to his insurance for the day.

It's not as if the changes have been sneaked in, the thread here is running for longer than the wait for the a test.

Duffah

Del2005 wrote: »

If you know anyone with a suitable bike you can borrow one, a load of people I know passed on a friends factory restricted bike when the restriction law was ignored for everything bar the test, he just added them to his insurance for the day.

It's not as if the changes have been sneaked in, the thread here is running for longer than the wait for the a test.

My problem is I haven't the licence the 6 months necessary to apply for my test in time, despite the fact I had an A1 licence for over 2 years and I've my Ibt done.. But desite all that I safely know, everyone thinks I'm still not as good on a bike as a 24 year old who has just passed their IBT.

eoinkildare

I got my learner permit in July 2012. Riding a GS500 restricted.
I have my test booked but I have to wait until after the new system is in place to allow for the six month period to lapse.
Can anyone explain what my options are?
The way I read it, I can't take a category A test on the GS500 as it is probably under the power limit.
So do I need to apply for a new Category A permit, buy a more powerful bike and then take the test on that or what???

Very confused.

Xaime

eoinkildare wrote: »

I got my learner permit in July 2012. Riding a GS500 restricted.
I have my test booked but I have to wait until after the new system is in place to allow for the six month period to lapse.
Can anyone explain what my options are?
The way I read it, I can't take a category A test on the GS500 as it is probably under the power limit.
So do I need to apply for a new Category A permit, buy a more powerful bike and then take the test on that or what???

Very confused.

If your bike is restricted to 25 KW yo can do the A2. You will need a bike over 35 KW to do the A test. You could remove the restriction if it is shop restricted or you could borrow one. Good luck

eoinkildare

And if I do the A2 then how do I get the A eventually?

Xaime

eoinkildare wrote: »

And if I do the A2 then how do I get the A eventually?

I think it's the same way as now. You apply for the test.

serious3

so you have to do two tests if you do a2 then a???

miller50841

If you start at 16 there is 3 tests that will have to be done the same rules across the board its coming in in the UK also
Mopeds under 50cc restricted to no more then 50km/h
when you reach 19 and want to get a bigger bike you must do a test on a bike power between 33 and 47 bhp 385cc min.

If you want to go direct route eg go straight onto full power aprox 600cc you must be 24 and at that will still be restricted for 2 years

Faith+1

miller50841 wrote: »

If you start at 16 there is 3 tests that will have to be done the same rules across the board its coming in in the UK also
Mopeds under 50cc restricted to no more then 50km/h
when you reach 19 and want to get a bigger bike you must do a test on a bike power between 33 and 47 bhp 385cc min.

If you want to go direct route eg go straight onto full power aprox 600cc you must be 24 and at that will still be restricted for 2 years

Not true. The 2 year restriction will be abolished with the new rules.

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Learner%20Drivers/Third%20Directive/Link%20B%20FAQ's%20Bikes.pdf

somefeen

This is all very confusing. I was recently thinking about getting back into bikes, can someone help clarify my situation?

I'm over 24 but probably wont be able to do the theory test until after January 2013.
Whats this direct access thing?
and If I want my full A would I need to pass on something thats a minimum of 600cc?

Faith+1

somefeen wrote: »

This is all very confusing. I was recently thinking about getting back into bikes, can someone help clarify my situation?

I'm over 24 but probably wont be able to do the theory test until after January 2013.
Whats this direct access thing?
and If I want my full A would I need to pass on something thats a minimum of 600cc?

Believe it or not it's actually alot easier for you after January 19th than the current system.

1. Apply and pass the theory test
2. Apply for new unrestricted "A" LP
3. Complete IBT and take lessons
4. Take test after 6 month waiting rule on a bike with minimum 35kw/595cc
5. You now have a full unrestricted licence

God help anyone starting out who's under 24, they'll need alot of patience and €€€€ to get their full A

galwaytt

Faith+1 wrote: »

4. Take test after 6 month waiting rule on a bike with minimum 35kw/595cc

....how will they know you've actually been riding around for the 6 months anyway ?

Del2005

galwaytt wrote: »

....how will they know you've actually been riding around for the 6 months anyway ?

They don't, same as with the current 2 year restriction. You can pass your test, never look at a bike and after 2 years jump onto a full power bike.

The restrictions are BS, as you are dangerous on a bike of any power. Proper training is much more important than restricting power for new riders. But these laws are made by technocrats in the EU who have never ridin a bike, so they assume power is bad. Power isn't bad, lack of knowledge is.

Peanut2011

Considering we are now on 2013, does anyone know what is the module 5? Actually having read the RSA document I'm confused if the over 24's with current A provisional need to do a module 5 to get new A license?

Roadskill

Peanut2011 wrote: »

Considering we are now on 2013, does anyone know what is the module 5? Actually having read the RSA document I'm confused if the over 24's with current A provisional need to do a module 5 to get new A license?

If your going for the A unrestricted learner permit and have already done the IBT then you will be required to undertake the conversion module 5 only (13hrs).
Now once you exchange your learner permit for the new A unrestricted you cant ride your full power bike until you have the ibt completed.
If you dont have any IBT training done before then its the full 18hrs Ibt.
Module 5 is basically a repeat of modules 2 & 4 with 2 extra hours which we are still waiting on confirmation of the content to be covered.

Anyone with a full restricted A licence wishing to have the restriction lifted can do so by doing the same as above if over 24. There is no extra test to be taken as the instructor can sign you off.

Mr Motorcycle

galwaytt wrote: »

....how will they know you've actually been riding around for the 6 months anyway ?

The problem arises with insurance
No IBT = no insurance

Even if you have paid the premium and have the policy in your hand
Its not worth the paper its printed on unless you have an IBT cert

So if your stopped and dont have an IBT cert thats automatic 6 points on your licence

So with the new laws that will come into effect thats an automatic six months ban

So thats your car licence and any other licence with points and a ban

So riding around without completing your IBT first is not a good idea

Hotblack Desiato

Mr Motorcycle wrote: »

The problem arises with insurance
No IBT = no insurance

Even if you have paid the premium and have the policy in your hand
Its not worth the paper its printed on unless you have an IBT cert

So if your stopped and dont have an IBT cert thats automatic 6 points on your licence

So with the new laws that will come into effect thats an automatic six months ban

So thats your car licence and any other licence with points and a ban

So riding around without completing your IBT first is not a good idea

Er no I think he meant that the 6 month period before you're allowed take the test is supposed to be for gaining experience. But you might get very little riding in in that time between IBT and test, especially if you didn't own your own bike when you did IBT. I think it's a stupid rule, if someone is willing to waste their money by doing the test too soon, and end up failing, then that's their problem. In the UK they've no problem with going from complete beginner to taking CBT and a direct access test within a week.

Same thing with the 2 year restriction period on the old system, even if you never ride a bike at all during that time you will 'magically' become a better rider on the 2nd anniversary of passing your test.

Roadskill

Mr Motorcycle wrote: »

The problem arises with insurance
No IBT = no insurance

Even if you have paid the premium and have the policy in your hand
Its not worth the paper its printed on unless you have an IBT cert

So if your stopped and dont have an IBT cert thats automatic 6 points on your licence

So with the new laws that will come into effect thats an automatic six months ban

So thats your car licence and any other licence with points and a ban

So riding around without completing your IBT first is not a good idea

I think he meant the 6 months wait until the you can take the test Mr motorcycle. The answer is they don't but the reason is to give time to practice and do your training. The examiners aren't stupid they know who has been riding and who hasn't. Before the 6 month rule came in several years ago people were turning up for tests totally unprepared and sometimes dangerous.
Btw driving with no insurance is a mandatory court appearance and a minimum 5 points.

bambera

These new unrestricted A licences are available from Jan 19, however, any applications received for a license after 12th Jan will be issued under the new system(RSA are not issuing any licenses between jan 12-18- this is the transition period.)

So, is there anything wrong with applying for new unrestricted LP on Jan 12th and sitting new IBT on Jan 21st? What would happen if I did the IBT, then my new license arrives and because of a backlog has an issue date of say Jan 23rd?

Roadskill

bambera wrote: »

These new unrestricted A licences are available from Jan 19, however, any applications received for a license after 12th Jan will be issued under the new system(RSA are not issuing any licenses between jan 12-18- this is the transition period.)

So, is there anything wrong with applying for new unrestricted LP on Jan 12th and sitting new IBT on Jan 21st? What would happen if I did the IBT, then my new license arrives and because of a backlog has an issue date of say Jan 23rd?

I have actually emailed the RSA today to find out if we can commence Direct Access with a licence number in case of a backlog. I will let you know what they say.

minidazzler

bambera wrote: »

These new unrestricted A licences are available from Jan 19, however, any applications received for a license after 12th Jan will be issued under the new system(RSA are not issuing any licenses between jan 12-18- this is the transition period.)

So, is there anything wrong with applying for new unrestricted LP on Jan 12th and sitting new IBT on Jan 21st? What would happen if I did the IBT, then my new license arrives and because of a backlog has an issue date of say Jan 23rd?

The 19th is a Saturday, you won't recieve your licence until at very least the monday and since you must have it with you to do IBT and your IBT starts at presumably 9 am wherever you are you won't have your mail delivered by then....BUT you only need the licence to drive on Public Roads...Module 1 and 2 of IBT have to be in a private compound and that takes up the whole first day, so if you could be guaranteed of having your licence on the morning of the 22nd I'd go for it.

So I have no real advice except ask your IBT instructor what he thinks.

drunkmonkey

Will the need for driving a restricted bike disappear for people over 24 who do there IBT after the 19th on the unrestricted A, or will insurance companies say you can only drive up to a 250 or something like that? Basically how do you see insurance premiums going?

Am I right in thinking IBT after the 19th is just modules 1,3 & 5?

Roadskill

minidazzler wrote: »

The 19th is a Saturday, you won't recieve your licence until at very least the monday and since you must have it with you to do IBT and your IBT starts at presumably 9 am wherever you are you won't have your mail delivered by then....BUT you only need the licence to drive on Public Roads...Module 1 and 2 of IBT have to be in a private compound and that takes up the whole first day, so if you could be guaranteed of having your licence on the morning of the 22nd I'd go for it.

So I have no real advice except ask your IBT instructor what he thinks.

The problem is mini that the bike insurance isn't valid unless the person has a LP (even in the compound) which is why proof of licence number is needed. If they have that at least we know they have actually applied for it.

Roadskill

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Will the need for driving a restricted bike disappear for people over 24 who do there IBT after the 19th on the unrestricted A, or will insurance companies say you can only drive up to a 250 or something like that? Basically how do you see insurance premiums going?

Am I right in thinking IBT after the 19th is just modules 1,3 & 5?

Yes you are correct and as for insurance companies well they are a law to themselves I'm afraid.

bambera

Roadskill wrote: »

Yes you are correct and as for insurance companies well they are a law to themselves I'm afraid.

Checked with my instructor and was told to being a copy of my current l.p. and the receipt from the motor tax office for the new l.p

Mr Motorcycle

Roadskill wrote: »

I have actually emailed the RSA today to find out if we can commence Direct Access with a licence number in case of a backlog. I will let you know what they say.

I checked that out last year
I had a number of students that wanted to start the IBT training but only had the receipts.

I was told by the rsa that under no circumstances was i to start IBT training unless the student had a valid learner permit in their possion and a receipt was not acceptable

Mr Motorcycle

bambera wrote: »

These new unrestricted A licences are available from Jan 19, however, any applications received for a license after 12th Jan will be issued under the new system(RSA are not issuing any licenses between jan 12-18- this is the transition period.)

So, is there anything wrong with applying for new unrestricted LP on Jan 12th and sitting new IBT on Jan 21st? What would happen if I did the IBT, then my new license arrives and because of a backlog has an issue date of say Jan 23rd?

The problem is that you current learner permit is restricted to 25kws so you cant do direct access because the bike has to be min 40kws and your learner permit will not cover you

Now even when you apply for the new A unrestricted unless you have it in your possession its no good

A receipt is not valid(belive me ive been down this route before with the rsa)
i was told under no circumstances was i allowed to train students until they had the permit in their possession

How can your instructor issue an ibt cert to correspond with the new A unrestricted learner permit when the A learner permit isnt law till after the 19 jan and they probably wont start to issue them until at least 21/22/jan so with post etc your looking at 25/26 jan

bambera

Mr Motorcycle wrote: »

The problem is that you current learner permit is restricted to 25kws so you cant do direct access because the bike has to be min 40kws and your learner permit will not cover you

Now even when you apply for the new A unrestricted unless you have it in your possession its no good

A receipt is not valid(belive me ive been down this route before with the rsa)
i was told under no circumstances was i allowed to train students until they had the permit in their possession

How can your instructor issue an ibt cert to correspond with the new A unrestricted learner permit when the A learner permit isnt law till after the 19 jan and they probably wont start to issue them until at least 21/22/jan so with post etc your looking at 25/26 jan

Well, if I have my application is on the morning of the 14th, it should be one of the first to be processed, so if it was processed on the 21/22 surely thats the date of issue that would be written on it. Yeah- I may not receive it until a week after (post) but if the IBT cert is dated 22nd and the licence is dates 21 or 22nd there should be no issue yeah?

On the RSA site one of the FAQ is what to do if your exchanging/renewing/upgrading your licence and you are stopped by the Gardai while your waiting to receive the new one- the answer states that you have 10 days to produce it at your local station and that you will have received your new one by then..

Mr Motorcycle

bambera wrote: »

Well, if I have my application is on the morning of the 14th, it should be one of the first to be processed, so if it was processed on the 21/22 surely thats the date of issue that would be written on it. Yeah- I may not receive it until a week after (post) but if the IBT cert is dated 22nd and the licence is dates 21 or 22nd there should be no issue yeah?

On the RSA site one of the FAQ is what to do if your exchanging/renewing/upgrading your licence and you are stopped by the Gardai while your waiting to receive the new one- the answer states that you have 10 days to produce it at your local station and that you will have received your new one by then..

All im saying is that as an instructor the guide lines from the rsa say that the student must have the the learner permit in their possession

Technicially you are correct in what you are saying but things dont work like that in the real world

The problem arises with the instructor

if they is doing their job correctly then they cannot commence training until you have a learner permit on your person

Now if the rsa receive the new IBT cert dated on the 22/23 and given that the 19 jan is a saturday so they wont start to issue new learner permits till the monday 21 jan

Your instructor will find him/her self in big trouble with the RSA.

They could lose thier instructor permit

Roadskill

Mr Motorcycle wrote: »

I checked that out last year
I had a number of students that wanted to start the IBT training but only had the receipts.

I was told by the rsa that under no circumstances was i to start IBT training unless the student had a valid learner permit in their possion and a receipt was not acceptable

Yes I know that for first time permit holders is the case but with the new regulations a lot of riders are wanting to upgrade to the unrestricted permit in which case the permit number will be exactly the same. Previously when renewing a permit the receipt of application and payment in this case was acceptable as it was several weeks waiting for the new permit to arrive (RSA's words not mine). Surely with a company in the UK (Middlesex I think) supplying 4 different countries the new cards there will be some sort of backlog unless they are S**t hot.
We as instructors could be waiting until February before being able to start the new system.
I would like clarification on the RSA's stance on this before telling anyone anything.

Mr Motorcycle

i understand where your coming from but the fact of the matter is its a legal issue you cant undertake the training unless you are in possession of a valid permit(the rsa,s respone when i asked that very question)

kaimera

the gf got stung with the new rules.

over 24, restricted fzs600.

applied for test in Nov, test date Jan 24 2013.

Letter today telling her she needs to do IBT and other such nonsense or she'll only have an A2.

ffs.

Mr Motorcycle

kaimera wrote: »

the gf got stung with the new rules.

over 24, restricted fzs600.

applied for test in Nov, test date Jan 24 2013.

Letter today telling her she needs to do IBT and other such nonsense or she'll only have an A2.

ffs.

They are correct if your gf wants to go for the A unrestricted learner permit.

she has the option to go for the test on her current learner permit because of the bike she is riding falls under the A2 permit.

she would then be restricted to the A2 for two years and would then have to do a full IBT anyway to move up to the A unrestricted learner permit

By not doing the ibt now all she is doing is kicking the can down the road for two years.

the best option because she is over 24 is exchange the learner permit after 19 jan she can then take the restriction off the bike to complete her ibt go for the test and no restrictions

The guys that have been riding around for a number of years on a learner permit will now be obliged to do the ibt in some shape or form.

Even if you got your learner permit before IBT was introduced

Even if you say to yourself ,well im, not going to do the test
You will be caught when you go to renew your learner permit because you will be issued an A2 learner permit

The A restricted catagory(your gf,s current learner permit) will not exist after 19 jan

So whats the craic with insurance then, will they allow a 24 year old to ride an unrestricted bike while they are waiting the 6 months to do the test after they have completed the ibt?

No point in buying a nice bike only to find out you wont be insured for the 6 months in between.

Mr Motorcycle

Charlie Aggressive Wolverine wrote: »

So whats the craic with insurance then, will they allow a 24 year old to ride an unrestricted bike while they are waiting the 6 months to do the test after they have completed the ibt?

No point in buying a nice bike only to find out you wont be insured for the 6 months in between.

Cant see a problem really

Thats what happens at the moment

The only issue is how much are they going to charge

kaimera

Mr Motorcycle wrote: »

They are correct if your gf wants to go for the A unrestricted learner permit.

she has the option to go for the test on her current learner permit because of the bike she is riding falls under the A2 permit.

she would then be restricted to the A2 for two years and would then have to do a full IBT anyway to move up to the A unrestricted learner permit

By not doing the ibt now all she is doing is kicking the can down the road for two years.

the best option because she is over 24 is exchange the learner permit after 19 jan she can then take the restriction off the bike to complete her ibt go for the test and no restrictions

The guys that have been riding around for a number of years on a learner permit will now be obliged to do the ibt in some shape or form.

Even if you got your learner permit before IBT was introduced

Even if you say to yourself ,well im, not going to do the test
You will be caught when you go to renew your learner permit because you will be issued an A2 learner permit

The A restricted catagory(your gf,s current learner permit) will not exist after 19 jan

There would be no issue bar telling her three weeks before her exam that she either has to do cancel the exam or only get an A2.

Where the **** was that info when she applied for the test? Last she was told was that as long as she had applied before the 19th Jan it would be ok.

Mr Motorcycle

kaimera wrote: »

There would be no issue bar telling her three weeks before her exam that she either has to do cancel the exam or only get an A2.

Where the **** was that info when she applied for the test? Last she was told was that as long as she had applied before the 19th Jan it would be ok.

The problem arose with the infomation(or lack of it) that the rsa received from the Eu commission on the third licence directive.

instructors like myself were invited to meetings with the RSA before christmas to get the info on the new licence catagorys and IBT syllabus
and they couldnt give us all the answers then.

They still had to go back to the commission to double check that they were complying with the directive.

Im not on here to defend the rsa im only a motorcycle instructor

But every one ,the general public.instructors the RSA, received the infomation very late in the day.

They probably never mentioned the new rules because they simply didnt know.
The final touches to the new ibt syllabus have only been finalised in the last weeks and that was with frantic communication between the RSA and the commission
Not that its any cosalation to your gf but we are all in the same boat.

If she wants to go for the full A licence she has the option to defer the test(at no extra cost) till she gets the ibt sorted

serious3

@mr motorcycle, have you any idea what module 5 is going to cost yet?

Mr Motorcycle

serious3 wrote: »

@mr motorcycle, have you any idea what module 5 is going to cost yet?

Im guessing here as i cant speak for every instructor/school but expect to pay an extra 30 to 60 euro depending on bike hire, ppe hire etc.

Most instructors and schools (myself included ) would have the current rates that they charge for IBT up on their web sites.

module 5 is an extra 2 hrs incorperated into the existing 16hrs ibt syllabus

So the module 5 is just 18hrs now instead of 16

Some instructors might try to absorb the cost but to be honest i cant see that happening as the profit margins for instructors that do IBT training are so tight.

That added to the extra cost to instructors, bikes at least 600cc,(A catagory licence) insurance etc.

But thats just my educated guess,:rolleyes:Market forces will really dictate the price.

Xaime

The info has been on the RSA web for some time:
All motorcycles including those
greater than 35kW. The minimum age at which this licence can be held is age
20.
Two routes- (a) Direct access at age 24,
pass a theory test, get a learner permit take Initial Basic Training (IBT modules
1,3 and 5) and pass a driving test after waiting six months. (b) Progressive access at minimum age 20 where the rider has held an A2 licence for 2 years, then this licence can be achieved by taking Initial Basic Training (IBT) module
5 on an A motorcycle with an ADI or by passing a driving test (no requirement to wait six months).

I am going to get an A2 and then do Module after 5 years. What is the rush?

Mr Motorcycle

Xaime wrote: »

The info has been on the RSA web for some time:
All motorcycles including those
greater than 35kW. The minimum age at which this licence can be held is age
20.
Two routes- (a) Direct access at age 24,
pass a theory test, get a learner permit take Initial Basic Training (IBT modules
1,3 and 5) and pass a driving test after waiting six months. (b) Progressive access at minimum age 20 where the rider has held an A2 licence for 2 years, then this licence can be achieved by taking Initial Basic Training (IBT) module
5 on an A motorcycle with an ADI or by passing a driving test (no requirement to wait six months).

I am going to get an A2 and then do Module after 5 years. What is the rush?

You could do the conversion module after the two years on the A2

You can get an A2 learner permit at 18

IBT pass test and two year restriction and do the coversion course and have a Full A unrestricted at 21/22 years of age:)

bambera

Roadskill wrote: »

Yes I know that for first time permit holders is the case but with the new regulations a lot of riders are wanting to upgrade to the unrestricted permit in which case the permit number will be exactly the same. Previously when renewing a permit the receipt of application and payment in this case was acceptable as it was several weeks waiting for the new permit to arrive (RSA's words not mine). Surely with a company in the UK (Middlesex I think) supplying 4 different countries the new cards there will be some sort of backlog unless they are S**t hot.
We as instructors could be waiting until February before being able to start the new system.
I would like clarification on the RSA's stance on this before telling anyone anything.

Hi Roadskill

did you get any clarification from the RSA on this? Thanks.

Roadskill

bambera wrote: »

Hi Roadskill

did you get any clarification from the RSA on this? Thanks.

Not yet Bambera. I am waiting on a call this evening from a supervisor to clear a few things up for me. I had hoped that I would know 100% by now but even being 99% sure I can't give out wrong info on a public forum I hope everyone understands that as If what I say turns out incorrect the my name is ****e all over the place.