Usenet busted (Read mod notes: posts #2 & #12)

sink

Well I think usenet is pretty much done as a file sharing platform. The largest indexer NZBmatrix went offline today coupled with Newzbin2 a few weeks back, I imagine the rest don't have long. I only mention them by name now as they can no longer be used. File sharers are running out of places to hide, however with better legal content providers available (Spotify, Netflix etc) it doesn't matter as much.

It still is a real pain, I have a server set up with SABnzbd, Sickbeard and CouchPotato so the whole thing was automated. I spent time and money getting it all set up right and now I have to go back to the drawing board.

yoyo

Mod: While discussion on this topic is welcome, please no discussion of current active warez sites/workarounds etc.

iMuse

I was always told usenet was untouchable when compared to the other forms of filesharing. I see that they are actually removing content aswell as shutting down the sites. They seem to be making a push lately with a few other sites not related to usenet been shut by FACT.

sink

iMuse wrote: »

I was always told usenet was untouchable when compared to the other forms of filesharing. I see that they are actually removing content aswell as shutting down the sites. They seem to be making a push lately with a few other sites not related to usenet been shut by FACT.

What has hurt them the most was the withdrawl of payment services from PayPal and the like. In the long run Bitcoin will take over, but atm it's not user friendly at all.

Reamer Fanny

sink wrote: »

Well I think usenet is pretty much done as a file sharing platform. The largest indexer NZBmatrix went offline today coupled with Newzbin2 a few weeks back, I imagine the rest don't have long. I only mention them by name now as they can no longer be used. File sharers are running out of places to hide, however with better legal content providers available (Spotify, Netflix etc) it doesn't matter as much.

It still is a real pain, I have a server set up with SABnzbd, Sickbeard and CouchPotato so the whole thing was automated. I spent time and money getting it all set up right and now I have to go back to the drawing board.

CouchPotato and SickBeard still work well with torrents though you can configure CouchPotato to 'watch' a folder that you drop torrents into.

woppers

sink wrote: »

Well I think usenet is pretty much done as a file sharing platform. The largest indexer NZBmatrix went offline today coupled with Newzbin2 a few weeks back, I imagine the rest don't have long. I only mention them by name now as they can no longer be used. File sharers are running out of places to hide, however with better legal content providers available (Spotify, Netflix etc) it doesn't matter as much.

It still is a real pain, I have a server set up with SABnzbd, Sickbeard and CouchPotato so the whole thing was automated. I spent time and money getting it all set up right and now I have to go back to the drawing board.

Absolutely devastated over this. Nothing can compare to nzbmatrix

Snake Plisken

yes pain in the arse it's gone if anyone's got decent alternative's please drop me a pm off list. Thanks

fionny

I think the media industry need to start focusing on alternative cash methods then this... sure its only a matter of time before another big player comes along to fill the nzbmatrix void... they are there already but are more cautious.

If the film / tv industry provided services like spotify with ALL content quickly available I think many people would pay for it if they price was fair of course.

fionny

Ditto to Adamligha,

however I know lots of providers have locked their doors until the dust settles.

sink

Please don't mention active sites or request information otherwise the Mods will lock this thread as per the site rules.

mikom

Not to worry, Kim dot com will be back in the new year with a fresh megaupload incarnation.

yoyo

There is to be no mention of any comparing websites that are still available. Bans will be handed down any further mentions. This includes asking for invites.

blu3r0ri0n

It's a shame that it's closed but you don’t need indexing sites to use UseNet, it’s more of an inconvenience than anything else. Regardless Usenet is not dead

Tails142

Slightly annoyed about NZBmatrix throwing in the towel - so what if they had to deal with the takedown notices for films, it was still dead handy for all the other things they indexed, ebooks/tv/music etc

As someone else said this is really just an inconvenience more than anything else... the next thing to spring up will be personal usenet indexing services that you run on your own PC surely?

blu3r0ri0n

Tails142 wrote: »

The next thing to spring up will be personal usenet indexing services that you run on your own PC surely?

It can already be done, just takes alot of work and resources.

aN.Droid

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

It can already be done, just takes alot of work and resources.

This^

I Am currently doing this right now but it takes weeks for it to be as complete as nzbmatrix was.

Overheal

Frankly I just don't use such services that much anymore. Paid and free legitimate services have exploded and it's just frankly more convenient to get things than it used to be. Of the sites I occasionally employee I simply stick to the rule that I don't go places that are mentioned in the media and elsewhere. People think "Herpderp Pirate Bay LOLZ" and suddenly PB becomes a honeypot for copyright holders to track down filesharers and seed their own malware. I know because I once made the mistake of talking on Boards.ie in the open not about the specific ins and outs of a specific postal service being offered in from an overseas vendor, but simply talking about the fact that products might be coming in from an overseas vendor from a particular region, and surely enough within a month Irish Customs copped on and an operation that was running smoothly under the Harm Principle for what I'm sure was a couple years was finally clamped down on and they removed Ireland from their list of destinations.

BENDERS LINKS

sink wrote: »

File sharers are running out of places to hide, however with better legal content providers available (Spotify, Netflix etc) it doesn't matter as much.

Yea, that's actually what one of the head music guys said at a hearing in the US few months back when he wanted Bittorrent/Usenet shut down..."Look at all the new services we've provided" though he left out the part about fighting tooth and nail to avoid having to provide them at all.

Record labels sue Digiweb, UPC, Imagine, Vodafone and 3 to block The Pirate Bay

iMuse wrote: »

I was always told usenet was untouchable when compared to the other forms of filesharing. I see that they are actually removing content aswell as shutting down the sites. They seem to be making a push lately with a few other sites not related to usenet been shut by FACT.

First rule about Usenet, don't talk about Use...oh wait it's been on every tech site with user guides for years now.

http://torrentfreak.com/usenet-feels-the-heat-as-copyright-holders-try-to-strip-away-content-121109/

sink wrote: »

What has hurt them the most was the withdrawl of payment services from PayPal and the like. In the long run Bitcoin will take over, but atm it's not user friendly at all.

Bitcoin gets banking rights

Total number of Bitcoins hits 10.5 million, production halves to stop inflation

^^^Guys that got in early can live the high life off this now.

fionny wrote: »

If the film / tv industry provided services like spotify with ALL content quickly available I think many people would pay for it if they price was fair of course.

Would you?

fionny wrote: »

Ditto to Adamligha,

however I know lots of providers have locked their doors until the dust settles.

LOL, I scrolled back up to see what "Adam" said. Whats this about?

mikom wrote: »

Not to worry, Kim dot com will be back in the new year with a fresh megaupload incarnation.

Theirs one seriously big name helping to block this lad...rotten like so many things nowadays when you look into it...a month after revealing Megabox, (to put the “dinosaur record labels” out of business) a service that would let Artists directly sell their music and keep 90% of the revenue, megaupload is raided.

Kim Dotcom loses new domain in preemptive strike by government

Can't keep a good thing down though, back under a .nz url.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/kim-dotcom-has-new-mega-domain-says-this-one-wont-be-shut-down/

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2223907/kim-dotcom-s-mega-gets-another-domain-name

is now Mega.co.nz. This has an unfortunate connotation, that it is a mega con,

lol

fasttalkerchat

I tried to switch to usenet a while ago but it wasn't worth the hassle. I stuck with <most famous torrent site - Hint: Think eye patches>.
If I'm caught, I'm caught. The prospect of that isn't going to change my behaviour.

BENDERS LINKS

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I tried to switch to usenet a while ago but it wasn't worth the hassle. I stuck with <most famous torrent site - Hint: Think eye patches>.
If I'm caught, I'm caught. The prospect of that isn't going to change my behaviour.

1.5 million fine for 20 songs if RIAA have their way.

New Canadian Laws (which will probably be normish after awhile) have it set at no more than $5000.

US soon to launch 6 strikes (or have already) France have 3 Strikes going this few years, first guy in court awhile back...here. Wasn't me and not securing your own internet connection are not a defense. Settled for just €150.

fasttalkerchat

BENDERS LINKS wrote: »

1.5 million fine for 20 songs if RIAA have their way.

New Canadian Laws (which will probably be normish after awhile) have it set at no more than $5000.

US soon to launch 6 strikes (or have already) France have 3 Strikes going this few years, first guy in court awhile back...here. Wasn't me and not securing your own internet connection are not a defense.

Good luck to anyone looking 1.5 million off me... the government couldn't afford it at this rate!

If I can't afford to pay to download a film/tv show every week I can't afford the fine so what difference does it make.
If a silly fine arrives in the post there will be a whole protest and kick off about it and after trying to lock up 50-100 people out of approx 2 million of us in Ireland alone they will give up and try and find ways to convince people that there is some added value from buying music.

BENDERS LINKS

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Good luck to anyone looking 1.5 million off me... the government couldn't afford it at this rate!

A fiver a week in the post office be grand sure...:pac:

Inquitus

<SNIP>

PogMoThoin

Just like torrents, private indexing servers are the way to go. You can easily run your own, it's just that being a database running myphp and mysql, it's a little heavy to run and would need a dedicated server. Pm me.

yoyo

Any more invite talk to warez sites and thread will be locked. final warning!

Tails142

Yeah after the intial shock of nzbmatrix closing down I looked into what it would take to set up my own nzb nabber - after a little bit of work I got it set up last night

Its not entirely the same though because nzbmatrix was quite well polished but it will do for now I guess.

the_monkey

Hi,
Curious about netflix, is it possible to download content or only stream ?

also what types of netspeed to you need to stream 1080p ?

Im thinking minimum of 20Mb ...

yoyo

the_monkey wrote: »

Hi,
Curious about netflix, is it possible to download content or only stream ?

also what types of netspeed to you need to stream 1080p ?

Im thinking minimum of 20Mb ...

Netflix only support streaming. Tbh I'd say a 5mb connection up should be fine, for slower connections just leave the stream buffering for a few minutes before you start to watch it, this should ensure the content will play uninterrupted

Nick

fasttalkerchat

yoyo wrote: »

Netflix only support streaming. Tbh I'd say a 5mb connection up should be fine, for slower connections just leave the stream buffering for a few minutes before you start to watch it, this should ensure the content will play uninterrupted

Nick

Agreed. The quality is okay, the big shock for me was the lack of content! Even when i had a free trial i still downloaded the same as usual.

vibe666

things get shut down, internet savvy users find a way of doing the same thing differently, then more and more people catch on and eventually so does the industry and the cogs turn to get that shut down and the whole thing goes round in circles.

i'm sure someone somewhere is already working on the next big thing.

kingtiger

vibe666 wrote: »

i'm sure someone somewhere is already working on the next big thing.

aye hopefully Kim Dotcom with his hyped site "Mega" will turn the wolves attention to his door

haven't been on Usenet in years, I just use a private site that has all the content required

Khannie

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

I tried to switch to usenet a while ago but it wasn't worth the hassle. I stuck with <most famous torrent site - Hint: Think eye patches>.
If I'm caught, I'm caught. The prospect of that isn't going to change my behaviour.

It should. Ireland is a soft target IMO. People roll over here at the drop of a hat and they will hang someone out to dry to set an example IMO. Once paid for services like netflix are up to scratch I would encourage everyone to use them.

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Just like torrents, private indexing servers are the way to go. You can easily run your own, it's just that being a database running myphp and mysql, it's a little heavy to run and would need a dedicated server.

This is clearly the way people are going to go. I expect to see newsnab becoming the norm very soon. Lightweight versions. Access to shared databases (use your own frontend) for a fee. That kind of thing. Essentially a distribution to overcome the problem of centralised servers (i.e. nzbmatrix) going down.

PogMoThoin

Khannie wrote: »

This is clearly the way people are going to go. I expect to see newsnab becoming the norm very soon. Lightweight versions. Access to shared databases (use your own frontend) for a fee. That kind of thing. Essentially a distribution to overcome the problem of centralised servers (i.e. nzbmatrix) going down.

This is just Usenet going to a new level. There are guides, it's pretty simple to setup, but running on anything other a dedicated server in a datacentre is madness. I've been looking into it but from what I've read 1200days needs a good few TB of storage, indexing takes about a week needs considerable bandwidth to keep the index up to date.

I got myself setup on a nice private site that's now closed to new registrations (i've already given away my only invite), it's early days, it's still indexing but it is working fine, for now. I'd much prefer if we could get a group together and run our own.

Khannie

PogMoThoin wrote: »

I'd much prefer if we could get a group together and run our own.

If you're talking about one from people on here - Just to be up front here: Boards cannot be seen to participate in, or help organisation of, any venture like that.

Discussion surrounding technology and what not is perfectly fine of course.

the_syco

Tails142 wrote: »

the next thing to spring up will be personal usenet indexing services that you run on your own PC surely?

Indexing is easy to do, but indexing and commenting on the file that is indexed is what NZBmatrix allowed. This allowed users to not get the wrong or bogus files.

I think NZBmatrix went down as they found that DMCA takedowns were coming in faster than the automatic process could upload them, and so files were taken down as soon as they were indexed and so they didn't see the point in having a site that indexed non-existent files.

Khannie

Just so we're clear here:

Boards cannot be seen to participate in, or help organisation of, any private indexing venture. Thanks for your understanding.

sink

Khannie wrote: »

Just so we're clear here:

Boards cannot be seen to participate in, or help organisation of, any private indexing venture. Thanks for your understanding.

Sorry, that was stupid of me.

Khannie

No worries. PM sent. :pac:

Snake Plisken

also a disaster the nzbmatrixxx porn indexing site is gone too! Double blow

Khannie

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Double blow

Pun-tastic!

mikom

Snake Plisken wrote: »

also a disaster the nzbmatrixxx porn indexing site is gone too! Double blow

Suck it up.

kaimera

well ****.

may as well cancel my astraweb.

didnt use newzbin too much recently anyway

shame.

Whatever about NZB indexers shutting down. The actual binaries are being targeted with DMCA takedowns at super rate.

Usenet got way to popular, this is who is behind the recent events.

http://www.morganelligroup.com/

:: September 2012 ::
We are now proud to announce we have turned our technology on to monitor both Google and Bing with the same expertise that we have conquered Usenet with. We have sent out over 1 million DMCA notices as of today.

https://twitter.com/Morganelli

His ego is blowing up at the moment.

PogMoThoin

Yeah, Nzbmatrix was a public list of all the content, private indexers is the way it is going, with no Google bots. All behind closed doors

Khannie

PogMoThoin wrote: »

Yeah, Nzbmatrix was a public list of all the content, private indexers is the way it is going, with no Google bots. All behind closed doors

Ask cisk says - that may be of limited value if the takedowns are automated (which Astraweb have confirmed they are). Really it would be a simple task for a takedown company - monitor usenet headers, match show on your protected list, issue automated takedown. It wouldn't even be hard to fully automate.

Tea_Bag

how safe is private indexing?

kippy

vibe666 wrote: »

things get shut down, internet savvy users find a way of doing the same thing differently, then more and more people catch on and eventually so does the industry and the cogs turn to get that shut down and the whole thing goes round in circles.

i'm sure someone somewhere is already working on the next big thing.

I've never used Usenet, heard plenty about it though.

You're comment is interesting however I don't think it is entirely correct.
For the past few decades the technology was evolving and people setup something, got closed down, then somebody set up something else, it be came popular, got closed down etc etc and this generally continued and has done so however in the past 2-3 years we have seen the rights holders catch up generally by impacting on governments decisions making when it comes to laws and indirectly by forcing ISP's to act.
That coupled with the explosion of "legal" sites and services, in my opinion, will mean that there will be less and less people and services that are "illegal" in nature as the chances of getting caught and the repercussions for doing so will be far greater than they have been.

Thats not to say people won't do it, just that there'll be less of them at it and probably less content as a result.

sink

kippy wrote: »

I've never used Usenet, heard plenty about it though.

You're comment is interesting however I don't think it is entirely correct.
For the past few decades the technology was evolving and people setup something, got closed down, then somebody set up something else, it be came popular, got closed down etc etc and this generally continued and has done so however in the past 2-3 years we have seen the rights holders catch up generally by impacting on governments decisions making when it comes to laws and indirectly by forcing ISP's to act.
That coupled with the explosion of "legal" sites and services, in my opinion, will mean that there will be less and less people and services that are "illegal" in nature as the chances of getting caught and the repercussions for doing so will be far greater than they have been.

Thats not to say people won't do it, just that there'll be less of them at it and probably less content as a result.

It's probably true that file sharing will become less mainstream in the future. However I wouldn't say there will be a drop off in content, it may just be more inaccessible to laypeople, which is entirely different.

99% if all content publicly available today, be it usenet, torrents, filelockers or others, is released by "The Scene" which is composed of shadowy groups for whom warez is a lifestyle. The Scene has been around long before the internet and piracy became mainstream and will probably always exist. They will always release content as prolific as they do now because they see it as some sort of cause and competition.

blu3r0ri0n

How I laughed!!!

http://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/14ogx0/til_piracy_remover_joseph_morganelli_ran_a_usenet/

http://www.reddit.com/r/usenet/comments/14oz8x/heres_joe_morganelli_defending_himself_and_his/

Antar Bolaeisk

Khannie wrote: »

Ask cisk says - that may be of limited value if the takedowns are automated (which Astraweb have confirmed they are). Really it would be a simple task for a takedown company - monitor usenet headers, match show on your protected list, issue automated takedown. It wouldn't even be hard to fully automate.

It wouldn't surprise me if they were using the well-know usenet pvr replacement program to do it either

It is fully automated from what I understand and it's the reason why indexers such as NZBmatrix are becoming irrelevant, stuff goes up and within the hour is down again. Unless you have an automated setup yourself to nab what you want as soon as it's there, there's just no point. All this talk of running private indexers as well doesn't really make much sense to me either as they're still going to suffer from the same problems. From what I recall there are only four Usenet providers and they're all fully DMCA compliant.

Tails142

Antar Bolaeisk wrote: »

It wouldn't surprise me if they were using the well-know usenet pvr replacement program to do it either

It is fully automated from what I understand and it's the reason why indexers such as NZBmatrix are becoming irrelevant, stuff goes up and within the hour is down again. Unless you have an automated setup yourself to nab what you want as soon as it's there, there's just no point. All this talk of running private indexers as well doesn't really make much sense to me either as they're still going to suffer from the same problems. From what I recall there are only four Usenet providers and they're all fully DMCA compliant.

There is a lot of stuff on Usenet worth downloading that isn't targeted by DMCA take downs. all i ever noticed being affected was big name movies