New bike and underground car park? Would you?

rat_race

Bought a new Tiger 800, picking up in Jan.

First and only new vehicle I'll ever buy, probably.

Three weeks ago move into apartment in Dublin city centre (near Usher's). So far I've had an attempted robbery on my bicycle, and had my motorbike cover (cheap one) stolen which was stuffed under the bicycle, but locked (they cut the cover to remove from lock). Looked like a piece of rubbish and wasn't even in good condition. My current motorbike was not there.

Purchased lots more locks and I'm pretty sure nobody will bother or be able to steal anything now, without a lot of effort.

My big worry is vandalism, though...so much so that I'm thinking of leaving it in a friend's garage and trying to get out of my fixed lease. Sucks ... these scumbags seem to be in every few weeks. Seen a broken window and and a broken door so far also...

Reckon if a thief comes to my bike and sees 6 locks on it they're gonna just kick it over to piss me off...

Don't think I have a solution. Ideas? Move the hell out?

rameire

is there possibly a storeroom in the underground carpark that you could get a key for and lock your bike in there.

it could be more secure.

I was in an apartment complex and got a key for a storage room and used it as my motorbike area. unfortunately one day I didnt lock it and it was nicked.

this was a locked room, in a secure underground car park that had security at the entrance and exit to the car park.

so, in reality, something may be more secure, but the scum in this world will go to lengths to be the scummiest ever.

rat_race

rameire wrote: »

is there possibly a storeroom in the underground carpark that you could get a key for and lock your bike in there.

it could be more secure.

I was in an apartment complex and got a key for a storage room and used it as my motorbike area. unfortunately one day I didnt lock it and it was nicked.

this was a locked room, in a secure underground car park that had security at the entrance and exit to the car park.

so, in reality, something may be more secure, but the scum in this world will go to lengths to be the scummiest ever.

No such room seems to exist...Good idea though! Sorry to hear about your bike...scum.

galwaytt

First, a tracker.

Do you have an allotted space ? Could you put one of those secure bunker things anywhere ?

Cienciano

Is this your bike?

rat_race

galwaytt wrote: »

First, a tracker.

Do you have an allotted space ? Could you put one of those secure bunker things anywhere ?

Cannot find a tracker that is a reasonable price...

Have my own space, yep...Secure bunker things? That sounds expensive! But possibly worth it in the long run, if they are portable! Got any links? Google not showing anything...

Cienciano wrote: »

Is this your bike?

Pretty much!

Wonda-Boy

That is not far off what mine is like in the back garden, except the locks are through the back wheel and the ground anchor. Just a disc lock and a oxford heavy through the front also.

Del2005

galwaytt wrote: »

First, a tracker.

Do you have an allotted space ? Could you put one of those secure bunker things anywhere ?

Trackers are easily defeated. The OP is only renting so I doubt that they would be able to install anything in the garage.

OP have a look at your lease and see if you can get out of it, you may have to find someone to take it over. Underground car parks definitely aren't secure enough to stop vandalism and there are too many scumbags around everywhere.

Depending on who insurers you it may be an issue storing it in a different post code/location. I keep my bike in my folks place, live in an apartment with nowhere to secure it. With Adelaide they wouldn't cover it stored somewhere I didn't live, so insured it as parked on road. Currently with Carole Nash and they accept the different location, but bike can't be locked overnight within IIRC 10km of the address I gave.

arybvtcw0eolkf

I wouldn't leave my bike out of sight tbh OP.

I on the door of a bar not too far from you (rock/metal/biker bar) and we've always a few bikes outside, even at that we've had to chase off scum trying to rob bikes.

For a new bike like the Tiger I'm afraid they'd stop at nothing to take your ride.

If I lived in an apartment and absolutely had to leave my bike in the underground car park I'd put an anchor lock in and feck what the management company have to say.. You can get a good anchor on ebay for twenty odd Euro, I wouldn't buy local.

I picked this up from ebay recently for €25 delivered (Rawl bolts and bearings included);



Best of luck OP.

Quebec Delta Mike

Don't know if this would help, has to be worth a look...a "Bike Barn",,,

http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/motorbikes/1661999

Best of luck

QDM

BrokenArrows

Might be worth also just putting the over on the bike even when under ground.

Scumbags are like Magpies. They are attracted to shiny things.

galwaytt

rat_race wrote: »

Cannot find a tracker that is a reasonable price...

Sorry, but that's false economy. Spending 10k on a bike, but not 250 to keep it safe ?

Wonda-Boy

Its well documented on here and word of mouth that underground carparks are the worst place for theft....what is the point in having that bike and not getting a good nights sleep when you pick it up. I would be deffo getting a ground anchor and 2 Almax chains and getting a meta alarm on that bike it will not last 3mths without it.

I am not having a go and you mate far from it but why on earth did you get such a sexy bike with no where safe to park it? I know that scum should not dictate what you are entitled to buy but this is the world we live in.

Very best of luck.....hope you get sorted.

tu2j2

Is Dublin really that bad for bikes getting robbed?

Its really putting me off until I can afford somewhere to live with a garage or some proper secure setup. Its probably the only way to be fully certain it won't be messed with.

paddy147

rat_race wrote: »

Bought a new Tiger 800, picking up in Jan.

First and only new vehicle I'll ever buy, probably.

Three weeks ago move into apartment in Dublin city centre (near Usher's). So far I've had an attempted robbery on my bicycle, and had my motorbike cover (cheap one) stolen which was stuffed under the bicycle, but locked (they cut the cover to remove from lock). Looked like a piece of rubbish and wasn't even in good condition. My current motorbike was not there.

Purchased lots more locks and I'm pretty sure nobody will bother or be able to steal anything now, without a lot of effort.

My big worry is vandalism, though...so much so that I'm thinking of leaving it in a friend's garage and trying to get out of my fixed lease. Sucks ... these scumbags seem to be in every few weeks. Seen a broken window and and a broken door so far also...

Reckon if a thief comes to my bike and sees 6 locks on it they're gonna just kick it over to piss me off...

Don't think I have a solution. Ideas? Move the hell out?

Friends garage.............throw him a few quid each month for the use of the garage.

Then get a house with a side entrance and store bike in back garden or in a small bike shed in the back garden/side of house.



Question for you...would your insurance pay up if it was thrashed while being stored down in an underground carpark??


You know what insurance companies can be like...

Del2005

Reuben Faint Concrete wrote: »

I wouldn't leave my bike out of sight tbh OP.

I on the door of a bar not too far from you (rock/metal/biker bar) and we've always a few bikes outside, even at that we've had to chase off scum trying to rob bikes.

For a new bike like the Tiger I'm afraid they'd stop at nothing to take your ride.

If I lived in an apartment and absolutely had to leave my bike in the underground car park I'd put an anchor lock in and feck what the management company have to say.. You can get a good anchor on ebay for twenty odd Euro, I wouldn't buy local.

I picked this up from ebay recently for €25 delivered (Rawl bolts and bearings included);



Best of luck OP.

No offence but I wouldn't buy anything from Ebay that I'd need to keep a brand new bike safe, there are way too many fakes being sold on it these days. There are plenty of reputable sites in the UK/EU selling ground anchors. I'm with Galwaytt, no point in spending big money on a bike and scrimping on the security. You can get this for €50, it's sold secure approved.

galwaytt wrote: »

Sorry, but that's false economy. Spending 10k on a bike, but not 250 to keep it safe ?

tu2j2 wrote: »

Is Dublin really that bad for bikes getting robbed?

Its really putting me off until I can afford somewhere to live with a garage or some proper secure setup. Its probably the only way to be fully certain it won't be messed with.

With the correct security your bike will be fairly safe, if they really want to steal something there is nothing you can do, but there are loads of scumbags who like to break shinny things and even more ignorant people who don't realise that bikes can fall over if you mess with them. Unfortunately there is something wrong with lots of people who live in apartment blocks here and they don't seem to comprehend that security in apartment complexes is to secure everyone's property, they'll leave doors open or let random people in.

If you can get a place with an entrance to the back garden you'll be fine, out of sit out of mind.

Prima Nocte

Sounds like you need to move to a respectable neighbourhood.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Del2005 wrote: »

No offence but I wouldn't buy anything from Ebay that I'd need to keep a brand new bike safe, there are way too many fakes being sold on it these days.

No offense taken, its a fairly substantial anchor tbh.

Then there's two cars parked behind the bike and a security post in the ground securing those ~ so if a helicopter can lift my bike out I'll be damned

Btw how can you fake a steel anchor?.

Thats a nice anchor in your link.

arybvtcw0eolkf

tu2j2 wrote: »

Is Dublin really that bad for bikes getting robbed?

Yes.

Prima Nocte wrote: »

Sounds like you need to move to a respectable neighbourhood.

All it takes is a scumbag to take a fancy to your bike and follow you home to your Dalkey pad and take it from you!.

uberwolf

Reuben Faint Concrete wrote: »

Yes.



All it takes is a scumbag to take a fancy to your bike and follow you home to your Dalkey pad and take it from you!.

I live in D8. I've had my car vandalised three times in Dalkey...

Kat1170

Reuben Faint Concrete wrote: »

No offense taken, its a fairly substantial anchor tbh.

Then there's two cars parked behind the bike and a security post in the ground securing those ~ so if a helicopter can lift my bike out I'll be damned

Btw how can you fake a steel anchor?.
Thats a nice anchor in your link.

By using soft ca@p steel instead of proper hardened stuff.

OP you can get bike alarms that page/text you when they go off. Can't think of the name of them offhand but google is your friend.

arybvtcw0eolkf

uberwolf wrote: »

I live in D8. I've had my car vandalised three times in Dalkey...

And I'm in Portmarnock and would have a Gatling gun guard my bike if I thought someone was coming after it

If there's a market for something some prick will come after it.

KamiKazi

TBH with a brand new bike I would buy one of these and put it in my assigned space:



then weld wheel chock, ground anchors etc to the inside of it.

Fvck the management company, they're not the ones who will lose their NCB when your bike is robbed.

rat_race

galwaytt wrote: »

Sorry, but that's false economy. Spending 10k on a bike, but not 250 to keep it safe ?

True enough. I guess I would buy a tracker if one was recommended. TBH, I cannot find much choice? Any recommendations?

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Its well documented on here and word of mouth that underground carparks are the worst place for theft....what is the point in having that bike and not getting a good nights sleep when you pick it up. I would be deffo getting a ground anchor and 2 Almax chains and getting a meta alarm on that bike it will not last 3mths without it.

I am not having a go and you mate far from it but why on earth did you get such a sexy bike with no where safe to park it? I know that scum should not dictate what you are entitled to buy but this is the world we live in.

I can get a ground anchor probably, as my space is close to a pillar. Also, I put the order on the bike when I was living in Wicklow just before I decided to move up here (changed jobs)...And I felt like it was a quiet-ish place and didn't really think there'd be many issues. But it's actually close to rough enough areas...should have done my research ... Ugh!

paddy147 wrote: »

Question for you...would your insurance pay up if it was thrashed while being stored down in an underground carpark??

Unsure...must find out! Also, trouble with my friend's garage is that it is in Wicklow...and unsure if he'd be happy with it. Doh!

P.C.

Buy an old van, park that in your parking spot, then put the bike in the back of the van.

No need to tax the van, as you will not be driving it, and it is on private property.

rat_race

Called my landlord. He was unaware of any issues here in general, but then again there are few cyclists/motorcyclists about here.

Got permission to install an anchor on the pillar...which will be handy for my current bike which I intend to keep. Or I might just buy an extra long almax that might wrap around the pillar.

TBH, I didn't want to leave my bike outside, but I might buy one of those tent-like covers and mostly leave at my folks home in Wicklow, and only keep it up here "now and again"...

Pain in the ass because it effectively reduces the usefulness of the bike for me, but it's possibly bit big for city riding, anyway...(I'm trying to convince myself I'm better off...).

rat_race

P.C. wrote: »

Buy an old van, park that in your parking spot, then put the bike in the back of the van.

No need to tax the van, as you will not be driving it, and it is on private property.

Great idea...But how Do I get a Tiger 800 into a van everyday?

P.C.

rat_race wrote: »

Great idea...But how Do I get a Tiger 800 into a van everyday?

Push it in.

Del2005

Reuben Faint Concrete wrote: »

No offense taken, its a fairly substantial anchor tbh.

Then there's two cars parked behind the bike and a security post in the ground securing those ~ so if a helicopter can lift my bike out I'll be damned

Btw how can you fake a steel anchor?.

Thats a nice anchor in your link.

As said cheap soft steel instead of harden stuff. It's a different story using one with other vehicles blocking the bike in close to you house and having to leave it in an underground car where they can make as much noise as they like.

rat_race wrote: »

Great idea...But how Do I get a Tiger 800 into a van everyday?

Just make sure the van is private as most complexes don't allow commercial vehicles to park. You don't have to tax it, just change it's class. Or you could stick 3 months onto it and if the Management company/agent complain simply point to the private tax disc.

Luca Brasi

Reuben Faint Concrete wrote: »

I wouldn't leave my bike out of sight tbh OP.

I on the door of a bar not too far from you (rock/metal/biker bar) and we've always a few bikes outside, even at that we've had to chase off scum trying to rob bikes.

For a new bike like the Tiger I'm afraid they'd stop at nothing to take your ride.

If I lived in an apartment and absolutely had to leave my bike in the underground car park I'd put an anchor lock in and feck what the management company have to say.. You can get a good anchor on ebay for twenty odd Euro, I wouldn't buy local.

I picked this up from ebay recently for €25 delivered (Rawl bolts and bearings included);



Best of luck OP.

Really that is the most stupid unhelpful advice. If you knew anything about management company operations you would know that they would remove any unauthorised fitting/alterations to the property. I would advise him to approach the property manager and explain your predicament? I'm sure that if it is a good management company they will consider any request that will improve the security of the property and belongings of residents. You will not get away with installing your own fitting

arybvtcw0eolkf

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Really that is the most stupid unhelpful advice.

Think of my feelings

paddy147

P.C. wrote: »

Buy an old van, park that in your parking spot, then put the bike in the back of the van.

No need to tax the van, as you will not be driving it, and it is on private property.

Van can/may be removed by the gardai,and also management company andl also if they feel like it.

Classed by the apartment management company and the gardai as a fire hazzard,attracting unwanted attention and taking up a parking space.

Its happened before.





PS-Imagine trying to explain to an insurance company that your motorbike got damaged because it was locked up inside an uninsured van in a carpark.

Del2005

paddy147 wrote: »

Van can/may be removed by the gardai,and also management company andl also if they feel like it.

Classed by the apartment management company and the gardai as a fire hazzard,attracting unwanted attention and taking up a parking space.

Its happened before.





PS-Imagine trying to explain to an insurance company that your motorbike got damaged because it was locked up inside an uninsured van in a carpark.

Gardaí won't touch it, I know we've had several abandoned cars in our complex. There's no requirement to have a vehicle taxed once it's parked off the public road, which an apartment complex is, and most have house rules against parking of commercial vehicles. So once it's transferred to private tax and parked in the OPs assigned place the MC can't do anything about, they may not be happy about it but the OP only rents so doesn't care and if the clamp it it'll only make it more secure.

Every car in the car park is a fire hazard!

What law is there against leaving a bike in van in a car park? It would be the same as having it damaged parked in the car park or locked in a barna type shed. Someone posted about leaving the bike in a room in the complex and someone else wanted to put a 20' container in, there more of a fire hazard then having a van with a bike in it.

spankmaster2000

rat_race wrote: »

Bought a new Tiger 800, picking up in Jan.

You should be safe enough so!

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2012/December/dec06-most-likely-to-get-stolen-bikes/

Cuddlesworth

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Really that is the most stupid unhelpful advice. If you knew anything about management company operations you would know that they would remove any unauthorised fitting/alterations to the property. I would advise him to approach the property manager and explain your predicament? I'm sure that if it is a good management company they will consider any request that will improve the security of the property and belongings of residents. You will not get away with installing your own fitting

Most management agents I have met are the most worthless morons at taking action against anything.

Del2005

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Most management agents I have met are the most worthless morons at taking action against anything.

What they don't know doesn't harm you. Install a folding anchor or place a normal one close to a pillar/wall and keep stum;)

Wonda-Boy

Del2005 wrote: »

What they don't know doesn't harm you. Install a folding anchor or place a normal one close to a pillar/wall and keep stum;)

Yeah chances are no one would even see the anchor unless some goon trips over it or some ****. :rolleyes:

CrazyRabbit

Ground Anchor + Almax Series III or IV chain + Hardie Locks+ Alarm + a few spent bullet casings on the ground (you can buy them at military displays/shows).

Barry Barry

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Really that is the most stupid unhelpful advice. If you knew anything about management company operations you would know that they would remove any unauthorised fitting/alterations to the property. I would advise him to approach the property manager and explain your predicament? I'm sure that if it is a good management company they will consider any request that will improve the security of the property and belongings of residents. You will not get away with installing your own fitting

OP just got permission from landlord to fit an anchor.

And I doubt the managment will give a toss tbh (speaking from experience)

Del2005

Barry Barry wrote: »

OP just got permission from landlord to fit an anchor.

And I doubt the managment will give a toss tbh (speaking from experience)

The landlord can't give permission to install an anchor. They don't own anything in the complex, the management company own everything. You'd be surprised what some management companies care about.

But fitting a ground anchor doesn't solve the vandalism threat to the OPs new bike and I'm sure the OP want's be the 1st person to damage their new bike, I know no one wants to damage their new pride and joy but it's slightly better to do it yourself than have some scumbag do it for you.

listermint

Ignore the other posters here and just put the ground / Wall anchor in place. There are some people who just give out about stuff for the sake of voicing an opinion.

paddy147

Barry Barry wrote: »

OP just got permission from landlord to fit an anchor.

And I doubt the managment will give a toss tbh (speaking from experience)

Landlord has no say in this.

4 words for you with regards management company and drilling/fitting a ground anchor into a car parking space.......

Trip Hazard...Injury Claim.

The OP,landlord and management company would be had up in court for any injuries sustained by anyone else tripping up over the ground anchor and possibly breaking limbs or suffering a head injury.


THe OP therefore would need to get full written permission from management company to alter the parking space and drill/fit a ground anchor,and also put up a sign warning the public and other carpark users of a trip hazard too.


This then takes liability off the OP and places full liability with the management company........hard to imagine a management company agreeing to this (in view of the law and safety issues)

paddy147

Luca Brasi wrote: »

Really that is the most stupid unhelpful advice. If you knew anything about management company operations you would know that they would remove any unauthorised fitting/alterations to the property. I would advise him to approach the property manager and explain your predicament? I'm sure that if it is a good management company they will consider any request that will improve the security of the property and belongings of residents. You will not get away with installing your own fitting

+1

Wonda-Boy

If there is even the slightest chance of a claim etc management companies would not let you put a flower pot up in the place. Its not so much as the anchor they would have a problem with its anything that can/will come back on them they are safeguarding against.

CrazyRabbit

The anchor can be placed on a wall or pillar. In fact, it's advised. Much harder to cut the chain when it's off the ground as they can't use bolt cutters.

Merch

P.C. wrote: »

Buy an old van, park that in your parking spot, then put the bike in the back of the van.

No need to tax the van, as you will not be driving it, and it is on private property.

This sounds like a good idea really, some cost involved in getting van and having some tax/insurance to move it to the location, but some piece of mind.
If it keeps things out of sight or hidden in plain sight. I dont know what lengths people will go to get a specific bike but I'd imagine it would be extensive if the price is right. Putting a ground anchor apart from the permission element/trip hazard, if someone would go to the lengths of following you, will just mean they will know where it is so if they are determined it will be in the open if they want to try it.
I think out of sight regarding anything is the most important thing, thats my opinion for whatever its worth. You can still lock it to a security anchor bolted and welded into the van, but that'd be me.
You could turn the van from time to time to make it look used/block the doors, and I'd keep it clean looking and the tyres pumped up.
I'd have a means of shutting off the fuel/ignition(electrically/pull an ignition relay out) and maybe the ability to lock it in gear so it can't be used as the means to drive your bike away!
I'd consider an electric winch to get it up a ramp, moving a weight of what? few hundred kilos will be a pain in the mammary's.
Would there be any connections of 230v that could be easily accessed? Or run it off 12v

Merch

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

The anchor can be placed on a wall or pillar. In fact, it's advised. Much harder to cut the chain when it's off the ground as they can't use bolt cutters.

Maybe its because I haven't tried this, but how does this work (or not)
A bolt cutters will work if something is not in contact with the ground and if it was a disc being used, well so long as they get at some part of it and some part of it will be fixed to the ancho so they could wok on that bit? so surely anchor against the wall isn't much extra of a measure of security? maybe it adds a limited amount of extra difficulty? it could be i just dont have a clue as per the first sentence?

I haven't tried to go at hardened chains or locks with a bolt cutters or a disc cutter.
I'm just trying to visualise it being effective?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Merch wrote: »

Maybe its because I haven't tried this, but how does this work (or not)
A bolt cutters will work if something is not in contact with the ground and if it was a disc being used, well so long as they get at some part of it and some part of it will be fixed to the ancho so they could wok on that bit? so surely anchor against the wall isn't much extra of a measure of security? maybe it adds a limited amount of extra difficulty? it could be i just dont have a clue as per the first sentence?

I haven't tried to go at hardened chains or locks with a bolt cutters or a disc cutter.
I'm just trying to visualise it being effective?

Youtube is your friend, there are a few examples there how a bolt cutters is assisted by using the ground as leverage.. I can't link you atm, sorry.

Had I had a choice I'd have mounted my two off the ground, but I didn't have that choice but I feel pretty secure.

Merch

Reuben Faint Concrete wrote: »

Youtube is your friend, there are a few examples there how a bolt cutters is assisted by using the ground as leverage.. I can't link you atm, sorry.

Had I had a choice I'd have mounted my two off the ground, but I didn't have that choice but I feel pretty secure.

I think it means it just makes it more difficult to do, but not impossible.
I'll just link myself to have a look see.

A wall mount will want to be a pretty solid object, like onto steel reinforced concrete (I'd suggest), which pillars would be I'm sure. But in a domestic scenario, I wouldn't want to bolt something to a normal wall.
I can't really see a management company agreeing to it, but who knows.
If they do and something happens like a trip, they are making themselves liable.
They may turn a blind eye if it's done and then they can work on the basis that they never gave permission, but surely if they are asked they will for simplicity sake for themselves, say no.
I guess the OP won't know unless they ask, but then they are alerted and may look for it.

Cienciano

Here's people using bolt cutters against the ground as leverage. And also, why you should buy an almax chain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cpf35C7wu6Q

You can get more leverage if you slip a length of pipe over the bolt cutter lever. But you can imagine if the chain was suspended in mid air cos it's pulled tight, it would be far more awkward to cut.

Merch

Never heard of an almax chain, looks like its the last word in chains.
looks like they are hardened and toughened, some of the other chains just snapped on the other side from the first break.
I can see how near or on the ground gives leverage.(edit, but those cutters could be way off the ground also with the length of them)
The lock will have to be up to as much as the chain links too or whatever it is locked to
I was kind of visualising someone going at the chain near the anchor or the anchor itself even if wall mounted with a bolt cutter or even with some kind of disc cutter too, but I dont know how realistic/likely that is due to the noise.

You can get an awful vibration out of something like that, goes through you, they really should wear some safety gear too