When are we going to protest?

UglyBolloxFace

Seriously.

I am sick of Ireland. I am sick of everything this government pushes on us knowing full well that we won't do anything about it.

I am sick of Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore being hypocritical. I am sick of us Irish being taking for eejits. I am sick of the fact that thousands are emigrating from Ireland. ....and I am sick that I am one of them.

I want to be at home with my family. I want to be with my friends...in my own country. But that is not possible. When I earn enough money and save, I will be moving back to Ireland...when that day will come I have no idea.

When are we going to protest? What is it in the minds of Irish people that makes us bend over and take absolutely everything that the government throws at us? Why can't we organise protests? Why are we such lazy bastards?

lukesmom

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Seriously.

I am sick of Ireland. I am sick of everything this government pushes on us knowing full well that we won't do anything about it.

I am sick of Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore being hypocritical. I am sick of us Irish being taking for eejits. I am sick of the fact that thousands are emigrating from Ireland. ....and I am sick that I am one of them.

I want to be at home with my family. I want to be with my friends...in my own country. But that is not possible. When I earn enough money and save, I will be moving back to Ireland...when that day will come I have no idea.

When are we going to protest? What is it in the minds of Irish people that makes us bend over and take absolutely everything that the government throws at us? Why can't we organise protests? Why are we such lazy bastards?

When are YOU going to protest????

Spiritual

What are we protesting about?
Your exile?

Intensive Care Bear

I am also sick of keyboard activists, not singling you out op but every day my facebook gets clogged up with people calling for a revolution in Ireland. None of these people do anything about it apart from liking statuses and sharing pictures. Either go organise something or stop parping on about other people doing nothing.

Capri86

1210m5g wrote: »

I am also sick of key board activists, not singling you out op but every day my facebook gets clogged up with people calling for a revolution in Ireland. None of these people do anything about it apart from likings statuses and sharing pictures. Either go organise something or stop parping on about other people doing nothing.

To organize something like a protest, a message has to get out in a public way. Yes there are many keyboard activists who don't intend to do anything but someone has to start somewhere. And why can't boards be that place.

BOHtox

This is where the rhetoric goes

bodhrandude

Bloody cold nights, I demand May/June weather! Is that better Uglybolloxface.

Madam_X

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I am sick of Ireland. I am sick of everything this government pushes on us knowing full well that we won't do anything about it.
I am sick of Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore being hypocritical. I am sick of us Irish being taking for eejits. I am sick of the fact that thousands are emigrating from Ireland. ....and I am sick that I am one of them.

I want to be at home with my family. I want to be with my friends...in my own country. But that is not possible. When I earn enough money and save, I will be moving back to Ireland...when that day will come I have no idea.

When are we going to protest? What is it in the minds of Irish people that makes us bend over and take absolutely everything that the government throws at us? Why can't we organise protests? Why are we such lazy bastards?

Satire I presume. Or hope.

Sam Kade

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Seriously.

I am sick of Ireland. I am sick of everything this government pushes on us knowing full well that we won't do anything about it.

I am sick of Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore being hypocritical. I am sick of us Irish being taking for eejits. I am sick of the fact that thousands are emigrating from Ireland. ....and I am sick that I am one of them.

I want to be at home with my family. I want to be with my friends...in my own country. But that is not possible. When I earn enough money and save, I will be moving back to Ireland...when that day will come I have no idea.

When are we going to protest? What is it in the minds of Irish people that makes us bend over and take absolutely everything that the government throws at us? Why can't we organise protests? Why are we such lazy bastards?

You are one very sick man op.

smash

Jesus... Sure you don't even live here.

mikom

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Seriously.

I am sick of Ireland. I am sick of everything this government pushes on us knowing full well that we won't do anything about it.

I am sick of Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore being hypocritical. I am sick of us Irish being taking for eejits. I am sick of the fact that thousands are emigrating from Ireland. ....and I am sick that I am one of them.

I want to be at home with my family. I want to be with my friends...in my own country. But that is not possible. When I earn enough money and save, I will be moving back to Ireland...when that day will come I have no idea.

When are we going to protest? What is it in the minds of Irish people that makes us bend over and take absolutely everything that the government throws at us? Why can't we organise protests? Why are we such lazy bastards?

You're in Germany, right?

I'm sick of taking orders from Germany.

keith16

I feel like I would like to protest. But not just for the sake of it.

I would love to see a protest that is not driven by austerity but a protest by the people for the people. Protests mean nothing to me when I see a load of people with stupid signs with "SIPTU MAYO BRANCH" or whatever written on it. Even the protests are self interested. People are self-interested in this country. That's the problem. We are polarised as a society.

Well enough is enough. Look at any of the great protests that have toppled governments over the last couple of decades. No signs, no banner waving, no self absorbed "what about me" ****. We need a revolution. We need to send a message that we are not going to tolerate corruption or political incompetence.

But sadly this will never ever happen in Ireland. Never.

joydivision

Its not that bad op . Ill protest when things get a bit rough . Friday night tray of miller for a score . Whats the big problem ?

nokia69

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Seriously.

I am sick of Ireland. I am sick of everything this government pushes on us knowing full well that we won't do anything about it.

I am sick of Enda Kenny and Eamonn Gilmore being hypocritical. I am sick of us Irish being taking for eejits. I am sick of the fact that thousands are emigrating from Ireland. ....and I am sick that I am one of them.

I want to be at home with my family. I want to be with my friends...in my own country. But that is not possible. When I earn enough money and save, I will be moving back to Ireland...when that day will come I have no idea.

When are we going to protest? What is it in the minds of Irish people that makes us bend over and take absolutely everything that the government throws at us? Why can't we organise protests? Why are we such lazy bastards?

Income 20 shillings, expenditure 20 shillings and sixpence, result misery. But income 20 shillings, expenditure 19 shillings and sixpence, result happiness

the sooner this country starts living within its means the better

If I had my way the so called "savage cuts" would have been much deeper

the longer the government puts off real cuts the worse things will be

smash

joydivision wrote: »

Its not that bad op . Ill protest when things get a bit rough . Friday night tray of miller for a score . Whats the big problem ?

It's miller....

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joydivision

smash wrote: »

It's miller....

We all have to make sacrifices in these tough times . The days of overpriced european beer in a funny glass are over .

Madam_X

keith16 wrote: »

I feel like I would like to protest. But not just for the sake of it.

I would love to see a protest that is not driven by austerity but a protest by the people for the people. Protests mean nothing to me when I see a load of people with stupid signs with "SIPTU MAYO BRANCH" or whatever written on it. Even the protests are self interested. People are self-interested in this country. That's the problem. We are polarised as a society.

Well enough is enough. Look at any of the great protests that have toppled governments over the last couple of decades. No signs, no banner waving, no self absorbed "what about me" ****. We need a revolution. We need to send a message that we are not going to tolerate corruption or political incompetence.

But sadly this will never ever happen in Ireland. Never.

Well it certainly won't if you're that defeatist!

I don't think Irish people are just accepting all of this at all - all you hear and read about day in day out is the anger we hold. Never mind all those hypocrites who whinge about everyone else taking it up the ass while also doing nothing - they're wrong. But there just isn't enough drive to do anything drastic enough. I guess our hands are tied - what can we do?

keith16

Madam_X wrote: »

Well it certainly won't if you're that defeatist!

I don't think Irish people are just accepting all of this at all - all you hear and read about day in day out is the anger we hold. Never mind all those hypocrites who whinge about everyone else taking it up the ass while also doing nothing - they're wrong. But there just isn't enough drive to do anything drastic enough. I guess our hands are tied - what can we do?

Now who's being defeatist? :pac:

Wurly

Well.. to all those people who say "why don't YOU protest"... As if they couldn't possibly make a decision to do something themselves... I personally remember a group called 'occupy' who protested for days on end on dame st. They were labelled as crusties, dole scroungers and hippies.

You see, this is what's wrong with this country. Anyone who does protest is ridiculed. I experienced the same thing when I protested in Dublin and Galway against the household charge.

Is there no personal responsibility anymore? This "why should I do it, if you don't do it first" bullsh1t drives me insane.

Czarcasm

Madam_X wrote: »

Satire I presume. Or hope.

For a minute I thought I'd wandered back into the Christy Moore's rant thread!

A more pertinent question might be when are we going to stop hearing about this "lets all gather and protest" nonsense?

Most people are making more productive use of their time, but would anyone be bothered explaining that to these "perpetual protester" types?

I'm thinking of one particular chap when I went to one of those "Occupy" meetings out of curiosity (Was it this time last year? All I can remember was it was bitter cold and I just wanted to GTFO out of the shìtty tent!) but the "leader" anyway when he wasn't doing some ridiculous hand signals came out with "I'm doing this for ten years..."

All I thought was "Wait, what? A professional protester? Something stinks in here!"

In the end, what did that particular "movement" (the irony of them calling it a movement when they just sat pretty much stationary in a tent all day!) achieve?

Answers on the back of a placard.

MagicSean

We did it yesterday. Everyone was there. Your absence was noted.

Madam_X

But Wurly, surely you can see the hypocrisy of people saying "Bla bla I'm Irish and I'm sick of this country and the way people are so complacent and won't protest - why don't they do something?!" It's for that kinda crap that people say "Why don't you do something - otherwise you're no better" which is hardly an unfair thing to say.

If a person said they try to arrange protests, get others involved etc and nobody's interested, well that's fair enough, it's different - they're putting their money where their mouth is. But those "I'm doing nothing and I expect everyone else to start the revolution" jokers are having a laugh. They deserve all the contempt they get.

Piliger

What we really need is a big protest against the whingers and whiners and bitching complainers who hate this country, hate all politicians, hate everyone who earns more than them, hate anyone who is more successful than them - and spread their bile everywhere, like a pissing dog marks his territory.

otto_26

Hey moderator K-9 this thread has gone on to its second page enough is enough!!!

nokia69

Wurly wrote: »

Well.. to all those people who say "why don't YOU protest"... As if they couldn't possibly make a decision to do something themselves... I personally remember a group called 'occupy' who protested for days on end on dame st. They were labelled as crusties, dole scroungers and hippies.

but thats the problem, they were crusties, dole scroungers and hippies

the people who have jobs and pay for everything in this country were never going to join a protest led by people who never did a days work in their whole life

and we won't join any protest led by the unions

Wurly

Madam_X wrote: »

But Wurly, surely you can see the hypocrisy of people saying "Bla bla I'm Irish and I'm sick of this country and the way people are so complacent and won't protest - why don't they do something?!" It's for that kinda crap that people say "Why don't you do something - otherwise you're no better" which is hardly an unfair thing to say.

If a person said they try to arrange protests, get others involved etc and nobody's interested, well that's fair enough, it's different - they're putting their money where their mouth is. But those "I'm doing nothing and I expect everyone else to start the revolution" jokers are having a laugh. They deserve all the contempt they get.

I know what you're saying and this is exactly my point. When people DO protest, people are quick to ridicule them. These are the same people that never stop whinging about the government and the bondholders.

So everyone seems to be running around like headless chickens. "you protest!!" "No, I won't do it unless you do it". I don't really get it, I have to say.

Wurly

nokia69 wrote: »

but thats the problem, they were crusties, dole scroungers and hippies

the people who have jobs and pay for everything in this country were never going to join a protest led by people who never did a days work in their whole life

and we won't join any protest led by the unions

Right. I took a week off work to protest with occupy. I am self employed and did not earn a cent when I was there, nor did I receive dole. So i'm sorry, your argument is flawed.

3ndahalfof6

Once the potato blight kicks in, we will be ready this time.

Madam_X

Wurly wrote: »

I know what you're saying and this is exactly my point. When people DO protest, people are quick to ridicule them. These are the same people that never stop whinging about the government and the bondholders.

So everyone seems to be running around like headless chickens. "you protest!!" "No, I won't do it unless you do it". I don't really get it, I have to say.

I think that's a separate issue. Saying "Why don't YOU do something?" is merely pointing out the hypocrisy; it doesn't mean that those who say it aren't doing anything. I have attended any of the marches in my locality but I still despise the hypocrisy of those who complain about *others* not starting a movement. I think it's pretty darn c*ntish tbh. How arrogant IS someone with that attitude?!

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Wurly

Madam_X wrote: »

I think that's a separate issue. Saying "Why don't YOU do something?" is merely pointing out the hypocrisy; it doesn't mean that those who say it aren't doing anything. I have attended any of the marches in my locality but I still despise the hypocrisy of those who complain about *others* not starting a movement. I think it's pretty darn c*ntish tbh. How arrogant IS someone with that attitude?!

So who starts the movement then? If people keep pointing the finger at each other, nothing gets done. Do you see what I mean? I am actually more in agreement with you than you may realise.

Furious_George

I think the one thing that the majority of people agree on is that we shouldn't be paying 3 bn every year in promissory notes. I think we are paying over 5bn next year as they delayed this years. There is disagreement on a lot of things such as the level of cuts and tax hikes but perhaps this is something to try and get the public behind and out protesting for.

Europe are trying to get out of giving us a banking deal because we are sitting quietly and taking the fact that we are paying billions for anglos debt. We should let europe know in no uncertain terms that we are mad as hell about paying this money. Not a mishmash of groups and unions with their own agendas, a unified protest on a single issue.

edit:Im using europe as a lazy term for the ECB and finance ministers and leaders of certain core european countries

KyussBishop

Madam_X wrote: »

But Wurly, surely you can see the hypocrisy of people saying "Bla bla I'm Irish and I'm sick of this country and the way people are so complacent and won't protest - why don't they do something?!" It's for that kinda crap that people say "Why don't you do something - otherwise you're no better" which is hardly an unfair thing to say.

If a person said they try to arrange protests, get others involved etc and nobody's interested, well that's fair enough, it's different - they're putting their money where their mouth is. But those "I'm doing nothing and I expect everyone else to start the revolution" jokers are having a laugh. They deserve all the contempt they get.

The mistake here, is that discussion about protesting has to happen first, and that without discussion of it (such as on forums like this, a perfectly good place to co-ordinate), nothing will happen, and people will stay in an inertial state, waiting for others to organize something.

Even if the OP is not organizing a protest himself right at this very moment, he is contributing to spurring discussion about it; a prerequisite before any protest can happen.

The problem, is discouragement of even talking about protests, with arguments like "sure why don't you go organize one yourself?", when people know full well that one person on their own is going to get sweet fúck all done, unless discussion is promoted and accepted first.


It's not unprecedented either, that online discussion can lead to significant action; look at the uproar on these forums over the Internet injunction law at the start of the year (the 'Irish SOPA' stuff), and there are also other useful threads on the forum spreading awareness of other things, such as DeVore's thread on depression, that has helped many people, and which (along with mental health problems in general) is a largely undiscussed problem in this country.

I'm under no illusions here, I don't think discussion on boards is going to inherently lead to a spontaneous protest movement etc., but if discussion of the topic was actually tolerated more, it might actually start changing peoples attitudes (like other notable threads have done in the past), and who knows, might actually lead to something.

It's frustrating to see such counterproductive and self-imposed defeatism spread on boards, from people not only discouraging protesting, but even discussion of it, and that often, anyone who actually bothers to invest some of their time in protesting, is ridiculed.

Wurly

Permabear wrote: »

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Maybe to stop paying money into Anglo and paying unsecured bondholders. This isn't a couple of quid we're talking about! It's a massive amount of money. I would also like to see the government set by example and reduce their salaries. This may seem a bit 'out there' but it sure as hell wont happen if we just sit on our holes.

The government have done a great job in turning the public against each other. Rather than people being angry at the perpetrators of this fiasco, people begrudge one another. "Those f*ckers on the dole" for example. I have been working since I was 13 years of age. When I was 26, I lost my job. I was briefly on the dole before I started a business. I had to do this as I literally couldn't get a job anywhere. So I could have been labelled as a "scrounger" when nothing could have been further from the truth..

So while we sit around scoffing and begrudging each other, the government still get away with this madness of paying monies into defunct banks. The more we inactively bitch and moan and turn against each other, the less things will change.

KyussBishop

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Money creation. The entire problem can be solved at an EU level, through money creation.

Copy-pasted from a post on another thread:
If the EU succeed in holding us in austerity policies, then we are simply fúcked no matter what we do, and things will stay bad for the best part of a generation.

The longer we stay in austerity the greater the damage to our country, and the only solution to this is at an EU level; the EU has control over money creation, and it is precisely money creation that is needed, to fund the necessary debt relief and job programs, to get us out of this.

When a country has control over its own currency (which we don't but which the EU as a whole does), with the ability to fund things through money creation, this turns a lot of gold-standard-based economic thinking on its head, with Post-Keynesian and MMT based economics, opening up some immediate policy choices: (copy pasted from MMT link)
- Government deficits do not matter, they can be funded through money creation, so long as inflation is kept manageable (the only reason we have to meet deficit targets right now, is for political reasons, not economic)

- Public debt can be rolled-over (kept at current levels, and more) indefinitely, so long as interest (which government in control of their own currency, has control over) and inflation are kept manageable; the debt crisis is again, purely political

- Government can monetize part of private debt (e.g. crippling mortgages), and the primary source of inflation will be peoples dispensable income that is freed up by this (which allows a lot of debt to be paid down, without a proportionate inflationary penalty)

- Government can provide a direct once-off stimulus payment to every citizen (a 'debt jubilee'), which can alleviate debt deflation that is holding our economy down, and provide a private sector stimulus all in one go, so long as inflation is kept manageable

- Government is able to use money creation, to setup a job-guarantee program, which replaces unemployment with temporary public jobs that utilize surplus resources (thus avoiding inflation), e.g. undertaking large-scale infrastructure projects, using excess construction capacity across the EU, to provide much needed improvements to e.g. transport and power infrastructure (with fiscal policy being used, where needed, to manage any inflation)


There are ample ways of utilizing money creation, while keeping inflation to a minimum, and either policies funding through money creation will get us out of this economic crisis, or instead, the economic crisis will be allowed to achieve maximum damage through austerity (ending many peoples lives, harming even more, and destroying many peoples futures, not to mention the damage to societies/economies), which will keep going to the point where things just can't get any worse, and by the time we start our way out of this, so much damage will be done that the only way is up.

The problem right now for us, is entirely at an EU level, with countries being held in austerity and a refusal to fund any adequate growth programs; the solution is there, but political inertia (some of it possibly deliberate) at the EU level, is ensuring the solution is not taken.

Jesus Shaves

joydivision wrote: »

Its not that bad op . Ill protest when things get a bit rough . Friday night tray of miller for a score . Whats the big problem ?

ah man you could've splashed out the extra fiver for a crate of heineken

Madam_X

Kyuss, it's all about language. Of course there's nothing wrong with discussing protesting online - that's a good thing. And yes, it's unrealistic to expect one person to go off and start a revolution. But the above aren't really relevant to what I and others are saying - that "I'm doing nothing - why won't everyone else do something?" is a laughable attitude.

People who object to same are not necessarily ridiculing protesting or doing nothing themselves - I don't know where that's coming from.

If someone was living in a house-share that was a minging mess and always bitched at the others for doing no cleaning yet did no cleaning themselves, they'd be deemed a twat - this is the same principle.

carlop

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This is the problem with protests. I think a protest to let the government know that people aren't happy is fine, but what people really need to work on is finding a viable alternative., something which is far harder and, as a consequence of living in a democracy, can only be achieved through political means.

What Ireland needs is a genuine, political alternative that is not a slave to the vested interest groups that it comprises of. There is genuinely no political party I would be happy voting for in Ireland, yet I don't think I'm the only person with views similar to my own (left-leaning on social issues, secular, and probably slightly to the right on economic issues, but purely as a reaction to the vastly bloated, incompetent public service we currently have).

This is not a problem restricted to Ireland by the way, there would be very few political parties in Europe that I could genuinely get enthusiastic about.

KyussBishop

Madam_X wrote: »

Kyuss, it's all about language. Of course there's nothing wrong with discussing protesting online - that's a good thing. And yes, it's unrealistic to expect one person to go off and start a revolution. But the above aren't really relevant to what I and others are saying - that "I'm doing nothing - why won't everyone else do something?" is a laughable attitude.

People who object to same are not necessarily ridiculing protesting or doing nothing themselves - I don't know where that's coming from.

If someone was living in a house-share that was a minging mess and always bitched at the others for doing no cleaning yet did no cleaning themselves, they'd be deemed a twat - this is the same principle.

Sorry I wasn't putting all of that on you, they're just the arguments that always come up in threads like this.

What makes complaining about lack of protesting different to complaining about a dirty house, is that the person can immediately do something to clean the house and make a noticeable difference, whereas one person cannot make a noticeable difference alone with organizing protesting.

So, the complaints about protesting are legitimate; it's not just hypocrisy, because one person alone can't do anything, and by encouraging discussion of it, the person is doing one of the few things they can do.

KyussBishop

carlop wrote: »

This is the problem with protests. I think a protest to let the government know that people aren't happy is fine, but what people really need to work on is finding a viable alternative., something which is far harder and, as a consequence of living in a democracy, can only be achieved through political means.

What Ireland needs is a genuine, political alternative that is not a slave to the vested interest groups that it comprises of. There is genuinely no political party I would be happy voting for in Ireland, yet I don't think I'm the only person with views similar to my own (left-leaning on social issues, secular, and probably slightly to the right on economic issues, but purely as a reaction to the vastly bloated, incompetent public service we currently have).

This is not a problem restricted to Ireland by the way, there would be very few political parties in Europe that I could genuinely get enthusiastic about.

The alternative is there (see my post above), it is just political inertia at an EU level (some of it possibly deliberate) that is preventing it.

CatEyed92

keith16 wrote: »

I feel like I would like to protest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9PwWq3le9A

Red21

OP, I was gonna head out protesting today but when it came down to it I realised I had nothing suitable to wear, watching all the other protesters on the RTE news at One, I felt i'd look outta place, what with them all dressed up in their latest designer coats scarfs and boots. I'm really hoping, Off the Rails will do an eposide telling us "whats in" and "whats not" for the winter protest season as i'd really like to play my part and help with the austerity thingy.

BillyMitchel

Jesus Shaves wrote: »

ah man you could've splashed out the extra fiver for a crate of heineken

Where are you getting crates of Heineken for 25 bills?!!


OP I was in your situation before and I bit the bullet and came home (sort of had to) but I was extremely lucky to land on my feet. I feel your pain bro, i really do.

I've been to many of the protest, large numbers at some and pathetic in others. What I'm afraid of now that they (the government) have already disregarded the people so much that I really don't know what difference it would make. Let's say 200,000 people in Dublin and thousands scattered around the country, do you really think they would listen? They are so smug towards the people of Ireland its disgusting.

So massive protest hundreds of thousands turn out but they don't listen. Whats the next step? I really think that its the next step after large turnout protests is what we should be looking too. What that next step is, I really dont know. I'm off to tweet RBB to find out!!

squod

Too late for protests.

Wurly

squod wrote: »

Too late for protests.

What makes you say that? It is never too late to protest.

You see, the government are wise to our defeatism and so the madness keeps coming.

.jacksparrow.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Where are you getting crates of Heineken for 25 bills?!!


OP I was in your situation before and I bit the bullet and came home (sort of had to) but I was extremely lucky to land on my feet. I feel your pain bro, i really do.

I've been to many of the protest, large numbers at some and pathetic in others. What I'm afraid of now that they (the government) have already disregarded the people so much that I really don't know what difference it would make. Let's say 200,000 people in Dublin and thousands scattered around the country, do you really think they would listen? They are so smug towards the people of Ireland its disgusting.

So massive protest hundreds of thousands turn out but they don't listen. Whats the next step? I really think that its the next step after large turnout protests is what we should be looking too. What that next step is, I really dont know. I'm off to tweet RBB to find out!!

Wreck our streets,destroy potential tourism,cost more money to the taxpayer?

Yep that will solve loads.

bodhrandude

Realistically speaking, possibly when everyone runs out of cash and your landlord or bank is asking you for the rent and mortgage and all you can say is, it just stopped. Then you might see people protesting.

BillyMitchel

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Wreck our streets,destroy potential tourism,cost more money to the taxpayer?

Yep that will solve loads.

Did you only read what you wanted to or actually read the post? :rolleyes:

Even if that happened it wont solve much, if anything. People go crazy for a few days and eventually all get arrested and then its back to square one.

hiram

http://m.facebook.com/?_rdr#!/story.php?story_fbid=498479790173534&id=100000345534235&ref=m_notif&notif_t=like&actorid=100000582235737&__user=100000345534235

Sometimes big things have small beginnings...

.jacksparrow.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Did you only read what you wanted to or actually read the post? :rolleyes:

Even if that happened it wont solve much, if anything. People go crazy for a few days and eventually all get arrested and then its back to square one.

I was talking about the people who are ranting on facebook about burning the streets,not your post specifically...