Dan John - Intervention

KeithReilly

Hi,

Its only new but maybe someone here has read this new book by Dan John. if you have what are your thoughts on it?

Has anyone read any of his other books or seen his DVD's, and if so what are your thoughts on them?

I've read just about everything that he has put on net for free and I think intervention could be a good read.

Anyone any other ideas for good health and fitness books?

Some of the books I'm thinking of getting:

http://www.davedraper.com/fitness_products/product/DJIB.html

Also, Is this the best of Gary Taubes books?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354894181&sr=1-4

http://www.amazon.com/Advances-Functional-Training-Techniques-Personal/dp/1931046018

gymfreak

Hey,
I haven't read that book but I have read 'Starting Strength' and ' Never Let Go' and I have to say Never Let Go is one of my all time favourite reads. I love his writing style and all the anecdotes that he uses!

Hanley

gymfreak wrote: »

Hey,
I haven't read that book but I have read 'Starting Strength' and ' Never Let Go' and I have to say Never Let Go is one of my all time favourite reads. I love his writing style and all the anecdotes that he uses!

...sh*t, that's awkward.

gymfreak

Lol...sorry, I meant easy strength!!!

Will Heffernan

He mentions me in it so I can only assume the book is totally awesome.

Turbo_diesel

As a side note from reading Dan's blog post on Intervention he says that introducing the loaded carry can be the biggest game changer to an athlete?

"However, in terms of simple impact, the ability to be a “game changer” to an athlete, this is the order:
1. Loaded Carry
2. Squat
3. Hinge
4. Pull
5. Push

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on Dan's statement above? Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread & sending it in another direction.

Hanley

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

As a side note from reading Dan's blog post on Intervention he says that introducing the loaded carry can be the biggest game changer to an athlete?

"However, in terms of simple impact, the ability to be a “game changer” to an athlete, this is the order:
1. Loaded Carry
2. Squat
3. Hinge
4. Pull
5. Push

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on Dan's statement above? Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread & sending it in another direction.

My opinion is Dan has a fair idea what he's talking about and should be listened to!!

...if for no other reason than most athletes already do 2-5, so by introducing something new you'll probably see positive adaptation.

danlen

KeithReilly wrote: »

Also, Is this the best of Gary Taubes books?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Good-Calories-Bad-Controversial-Science/dp/1400033462/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1354894181&sr=1-4

Depends on your understanding of science to be honest. Good Calories, Bad Calories (note: the UK version is called The Diet Delusion) is very heavy on the science.

It is an absolute mammouth book, easily one of the most comprehensive nutrition books I've read. Number of referenced studies alone is quite phenomenal. Be warned though it is very heavy reading, and you may find yourself re-reading things a few times.

If you don't feel you will be comfortable enough with GCBC, Taubes did a follow up book Why We Get Fat, which is basically a shortened, easier to read version.

You will learn alot by reading either one.

Inspector Coptoor

I have a signed copy of Never Let Go.

I like his writing style & how simple he thinks training should be.

The loaded carry is one I'm trying to introduce more & more to the lads I coach.

It's a very simple concept but is very effective.

Turbo_diesel

Hanley wrote: »

My opinion is Dan has a fair idea what he's talking about and should be listened to!!

...if for no other reason than most athletes already do 2-5, so by introducing something new you'll probably see positive adaptation.

Even though most of us are at not athletes should you still look to make room for a farmers walk variant or sled push/pull somewhere in your programe based on his hierarchy of movements?

mushykeogh

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

Even though most of us are at not athletes should you still look to make room for a farmers walk variant or sled push/pull somewhere in your programe based on his hierarchy of movements?

Yes.

Hanley

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

Even though most of us are at not athletes should you still look to make room for a farmers walk variant or sled push/pull somewhere in your programe based on his hierarchy of movements?

I think if it's implementable, yah, for sure.

Will Heffernan

Hanley wrote: »

I think if it's conceivable, yah, for sure.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Hanley

Will Heffernan wrote: »

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

You really just sit online all day waiting don't you. I literally went in to edit it immediately after posting it. But well done on being quick on the draw.

Will Heffernan

Hanley wrote: »

You really just sit online all day waiting don't you.

Is that a statement or a question...oh wait...doesn't matter...the answer would still be yes anyway.

I literally went in to edit it immediately after posting it. But well done on being quick on the draw.

It was inconceivable.

Mellor

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

Even though most of us are at not athletes should you still look to make room for a farmers walk variant or sled push/pull somewhere in your programe based on his hierarchy of movements?

I think its a hierarchy of what people need to do more of. Rather than a list of what's the best. Push is at the bottom because very few people need to bench more, etc

KeithReilly

danlen wrote: »

Depends on your understanding of science to be honest. Good Calories, Bad Calories (note: the UK version is called The Diet Delusion) is very heavy on the science.

It is an absolute mammouth book, easily one of the most comprehensive nutrition books I've read. Number of referenced studies alone is quite phenomenal. Be warned though it is very heavy reading, and you may find yourself re-reading things a few times.

If you don't feel you will be comfortable enough with GCBC, Taubes did a follow up book Why We Get Fat, which is basically a shortened, easier to read version.

You will learn alot by reading either one.

Thanks for that information that was just the sort of thing I wanted to know.

Will Heffernan

I just have to put this out there...I've been biting my tongue but that only lasts so long.

In my opinion...I would like to make a comment on the following:

danlen wrote: »

Depends on your understanding of science to be honest. Good Calories, Bad Calories (note: the UK version is called The Diet Delusion) is very heavy on the science.

I don't think Taubes understanding of science is that great. Maybe it is but he just chooses to ignore it.

It is an absolute mammouth book, easily one of the most comprehensive nutrition books I've read.

You really need to get out more...academically speaking...because a lot of his contentions are pretty crap.

Number of referenced studies alone is quite phenomenal. Be warned though it is very heavy reading, and you may find yourself re-reading things a few times.

If you read them once and forget them then you've done yourself a favour.

If you don't feel you will be comfortable enough with GCBC, Taubes did a follow up book Why We Get Fat, which is basically a shortened, easier to read version.

This is a much better idea...if you are going to read dumb stuff the less of it you read the better and the faster you get it over with the less harm it will do.

You will learn alot by reading either one.

You will learn a lot about the bad application of good science I suppose...other than that...not so much.

Will Heffernan

KeithReilly wrote: »

Thanks for that information that was just the sort of thing I wanted to know.

You already know everything that you need to know.

It is the fact that we all have the time to sit around pontificating about what makes us fat that makes us fat. That we all have the time to sit around researching the perfect program to get fit that ensures that we're not fit.

That's not a criticism of boards.ie or anyone that posts here or anything like that...it is just the Taubes thing that annoys me and puts me in a bad humour because he is purposefully talking crap to sell books...like a Mike Boyle of nutrition...just twisting and manipulating to make $$$'s it just makes me want to puke is all.

Everyone knows good food from bad. Everyone knows being more active is good for them.

Taubes like a lot of posters here needs to know the difference between:

1. Science.
2. Anecdote.
3. Opinion.

Because they are not all interchangeable...they do not all carry the same value and weight.

In that previous post they mentioned all the references that Taubes included in his book...well putting in one reference that supports your opinion and excluding the 50 that refute your opinion does not make for good science....and doing it lots and lots of times does not make your book better....it makes it a lot worse.

OK...I feel better now. I will shut up again and let you all get back about your business.

boomtown84

@Will...

Any chance of posting a list of your top 5 training books and top 5 nutrition books? Even 1 or 2 for each would be much appreciated.
Haven't sent my letter to Santa yet and i' running out of time!

willietherock

boomtown84 wrote: »

@Will...

Any chance of posting a list of your top 5 training books and top 5 nutrition books? Even 1 or 2 for each would be much appreciated.
Haven't sent my letter to Santa yet and i' running out of time!

+1

Would this book be suitable for someone who has some experience, ie able to DL/Squat/Bench and following a basic workout programme a few times a week in a half arsed fashion but really want to step it up and do something productive for the new yr but generally lacking knowledge in the whole area. Any other recommendations?

Antisocialiser

Don't mean to come across all stalker-y but.... meh. This is on Will's old blog:

STUFF I LIKE...THAT I ALSO GET A JUICY CUT OF IF YOU BUY IT

Lyle McDonald's Books- Everything I've stolen in the area of nutrition. If I've told you how to lose weight... it was from here... if you've got advice on bulking up... also here... if you are seriously interested in nutrtion and sports performance... don't talk to me unless you own them.

Dan John's 3 DVD set- (Something I won't get a cut of... but Dan, when I'm in Utah... you buy the beer... even if I have to wait an hour for my next one) The set includes Everything's over my head, From the ground up and Carried Away. If you are interested in lifting you should buy it. Just about everything I know and teach with regards to Oly Lifting was stolen from these... I bought them and still watch them.

Iron Woody Bands- These are the bands we use. I don't think they are better or worse than other bands but I can tell you I still have the original bands I bought years and years ago so they've stood the test of time

Hope you don't mind Will. I would be interested to know if you have anything to add since '09!

Will Heffernan

boomtown84 wrote: »

@Will...

Any chance of posting a list of your top 5 training books and top 5 nutrition books? Even 1 or 2 for each would be much appreciated.
Haven't sent my letter to Santa yet and i' running out of time!

I wouldn't even know where to start. It really depends on your experience and background? It also depends what you are interested in? Whether you want to read in really specialised areas or about topics broadly. I've seen heaps of good stuff in this past year...some of it has already come out and some won't be out till next year. I am really lucky in that I hold a special place in the health and fitness industry...I know and am known by lots of movers and shakers in the industry and I get sent lots of articles and products to review which is awesome...what's not so awesome is that the only reason that 'successful' people in the industry do this is because they know that I am so commercially unsuccessful and inept that they never have to worry about me as a competitor...which kinda blows for me. So I get to see lots of stuff and get to ask lots of questions of people who are working in very specialised areas or who are well read across their field of expertise.

I also spend time trying to wreck peoples work because I am an a-hole and I am bitter and twisted . I try to poke holes in peoples work by reading and researching stuff myself...funnily enough this is often appreciated because people think it is better I do this BEFORE they publish or produce work than seeing me take pleasure in doing it after.

So....1. I get to see lots of stuff....and that is good. 2. I read widely....that is also good. 3. I have enough experience to read everything with a questioning mind.

So if you want to be more specific I will try to give you more specific recommendations?

Will Heffernan

willietherock wrote: »

+1

Would this book be suitable for someone who has some experience, ie able to DL/Squat/Bench and following a basic workout programme a few times a week in a half arsed fashion but really want to step it up and do something productive for the new yr but generally lacking knowledge in the whole area. Any other recommendations?

I have heaps of recommendations....you just need to be specific about what you want a recommendation for....a training book....a nutrition book....a we talking a academic style product or more commercially biased product?

Will Heffernan

Antisocialiser wrote: »

Don't mean to come across all stalker-y but.... meh. This is on Will's old blog:

Ahhhh....so it's you...I was wondering who it was that visited my blog

Hope you don't mind Will. I would be interested to know if you have anything to add since '09!

LOL. That's a good question. 95% of what I do I've been doing for over 15 years and all I've really been doing since then has been to tinker and refine things at the edges.

I haven't put much effort into my blog...I didn't actually put that much effort in when I was putting effort in....but next year I am going to be back in a permanent location and I am going to try to find the time to 'sort it out'...it blows because it can't be searched. It could be written and structured better because it was always just written on the fly and more of a train of thought thing.

I have been blessed since returning to Australia in that I've had exposure to sport at the highest levels across a broad spectrum of sports. I have a career now when my training and coaching skills really are of a life and death importance...preparing people to fight for their lives has brought a new perspective to my work...so in short...yes, I actually have a lot to add but it'll be some time before I get around to it

boomtown84

Will Heffernan wrote: »

I wouldn't even know where to start. It really depends on your experience and background? It also depends what you are interested in? Whether you want to read in really specialised areas or about topics broadly. I've seen heaps of good stuff in this past year...some of it has already come out and some won't be out till next year. I am really lucky in that I hold a special place in the health and fitness industry...I know and am known by lots of movers and shakers in the industry and I get sent lots of articles and products to review which is awesome...what's not so awesome is that the only reason that 'successful' people in the industry do this is because they know that I am so commercially unsuccessful and inept that they never have to worry about me as a competitor...which kinda blows for me. So I get to see lots of stuff and get to ask lots of questions of people who are working in very specialised areas or who are well read across their field of expertise.

I also spend time trying to wreck peoples work because I am an a-hole and I am bitter and twisted . I try to poke holes in peoples work by reading and researching stuff myself...funnily enough this is often appreciated because people think it is better I do this BEFORE they publish or produce work than seeing me take pleasure in doing it after.

So....1. I get to see lots of stuff....and that is good. 2. I read widely....that is also good. 3. I have enough experience to read everything with a questioning mind.

So if you want to be more specific I will try to give you more specific recommendations?

Ok i'll keep it as short as possible:

- Best Powerlifting book re programming & technique
- Best book re general S&C (or your best 3 or 4 books) including stuff like pre/in/post season programming
- Best beginners guide Oly lifts

- Up to Date general sports nutrition book(besides Lyle, I already have him on my list and I've read most of the stuff on bodyrecomposition)
- Nutrition book detailing the truth about wheat,gluten,gliadin etc....and please no sensationalist stuff a la Cordain etc.

I play soccer myself but have an interest in all areas of sport and fitness. Also if there are any really interesting/groundbreaking books that you have read recently i'd really appreciate those titles too.

I was a member of your gym here for a brief period just before it closed. It was a big eye opener and learning experience for me so thanks for that. Great place. Glad you're doing so well now.

Will Heffernan

boomtown84 wrote: »

Ok i'll keep it as short as possible:

- Best Powerlifting book re programming & technique
- Best book re general S&C (or your best 3 or 4 books) including stuff like pre/in/post season programming
- Best beginners guide Oly lifts

- Up to Date general sports nutrition book(besides Lyle, I already have him on my list and I've read most of the stuff on bodyrecomposition)
- Nutrition book detailing the truth about wheat,gluten,gliadin etc....and please no sensationalist stuff a la Cordain etc.

I play soccer myself but have an interest in all areas of sport and fitness. Also if there are any really interesting/groundbreaking books that you have read recently i'd really appreciate those titles too.

I was a member of your gym here for a brief period just before it closed. It was a big eye opener and learning experience for me so thanks for that. Great place. Glad you're doing so well now.

1. I hate it when this happens and people actually call me on my sh!t.
2. I will actually have to have a look at what I have and have a proper think about proper answers now.
3. I hope you enjoyed your time at IP...it was the worst paying and least commercially successful thing I ever did and I enjoyed it immensely and miss it terribly. I made just about as much money in the first 2 months I was home as I did the whole time I was at IP (don't worry...that's not me bragging. It i way less impressive than it sounds) but I still feel like it was a job left undone. Have had plenty of offers to bank roll an IP venture in the US or in Aus since I left Ireland but I think it will probably never happen.

cc87

An English coach Nick Grantham (http://nickgrantham.com/) put together this list of books he likes and uses/reads if anyones interested. Its got a good few books in it.

Ive read a few of the books on it, Vern Gambettas is one I liked.

Will Heffernan

cc87 wrote: »

An English coach Nick Grantham (http://nickgrantham.com/) put together this list of books he likes and uses/reads if anyones interested. Its got a good few books in it.

Ive read a few of the books on it, Vern Gambettas is one I liked.

Good work.

I read a lot of stuff...there's books I've read on Nick's list there that I thought were garbage but I am glad I read them anyway so I could learn that for myself though. There are plenty of good books as well though.

On the strength and conditioning side of things...Ian King had a huge influence on me when I was starting out...I was extremely lucky though in that when I started out coaching it was in an environment surrounded by coaches who were at the top of their game and coaching some of the best athletes in the world...so there was a lot of monkey see monkey do...and I had my programs constantly critiqued and I think that actually the best and most important part of my 'learning' was that I had to justify everything that I did to others...I had to go through my programs and explain what I'd written, who it was written for and why every single exercise was included...the sets and reps...the exercise order etc etc. The reason I am telling you this is to give some perspective to my view.

If you are seriously interested in coaching...I'd forget buying books and instead become a member of the NSCA and get the Strength and Conditioning Journal and the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. Because that's where you'll be able to read the stuff that will be in books 3-5 years from now.

On the nutrition side...I've every book that Louise Bourke and Lyle McDonald have produced....I am not sure who would be at the top of the list as the most plagiarised author in the nutrition field but it would be neck and neck between these two I would say...I've read heaps of books in the nutrition area and almost without fail find stuff either stolen directly or slyly from them.

Again...save your money that you'd spend buying books...if you are really interested in nutrition spend $10 a month on Alan Aragon's research review...again...you can read about the stuff that will be in books 3-5 years from now.

Anyway...I hope that helps.

Doc Daneeka

Will Heffernan wrote: »

Good work.

I read a lot of stuff...there's books I've read on Nick's list there that I thought were garbage but I am glad I read them anyway so I could learn that for myself though. There are plenty of good books as well though.

On the strength and conditioning side of things...Ian King had a huge influence on me when I was starting out...I was extremely lucky though in that when I started out coaching it was in an environment surrounded by coaches who were at the top of their game and coaching some of the best athletes in the world...so there was a lot of monkey see monkey do...and I had my programs constantly critiqued and I think that actually the best and most important part of my 'learning' was that I had to justify everything that I did to others...I had to go through my programs and explain what I'd written, who it was written for and why every single exercise was included...the sets and reps...the exercise order etc etc. The reason I am telling you this is to give some perspective to my view.

If you are seriously interested in coaching...I'd forget buying books and instead become a member of the NSCA and get the Strength and Conditioning Journal and the Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research. Because that's where you'll be able to read the stuff that will be in books 3-5 years from now.

On the nutrition side...I've every book that Louise Bourke and Lyle McDonald have produced....I am not sure who would be at the top of the list as the most plagiarised author in the nutrition field but it would be neck and neck between these two I would say...I've read heaps of books in the nutrition area and almost without fail find stuff either stolen directly or slyly from them.

Again...save your money that you'd spend buying books...if you are really interested in nutrition spend $10 a month on Alan Aragon's research review...again...you can read about the stuff that will be in books 3-5 years from now.

Anyway...I hope that helps.

Which Lyle McDonald book would you recommend to start with for someone coming new to him? Perhaps this depends on the readers goals so just general nutrition for training.

Will Heffernan

Doc Daneeka wrote: »

Which Lyle McDonald book would you recommend to start with for someone coming new to him? Perhaps this depends on the readers goals so just general nutrition for training.

The Protein Book...hands down the best book I have on nutrition.

It's called The Protein Book but there's much more in it than just that.

hsbc

Turbo_diesel wrote: »

As a side note from reading Dan's blog post on Intervention he says that introducing the loaded carry can be the biggest game changer to an athlete?

"However, in terms of simple impact, the ability to be a “game changer” to an athlete, this is the order:
1. Loaded Carry
2. Squat
3. Hinge
4. Pull
5. Push

Just wondering what peoples opinions are on Dan's statement above? Sorry if I'm hijacking the thread & sending it in another direction.

Only seeing this thread now. I'm halfway through Never Let Go - great read and am sorry i didn't have a book like it 10 years ago!

Just in relation to the above - what constitutes a hinge exercise?

Hanley

hsbc wrote: »

Only seeing this thread now. I'm halfway through Never Let Go - great read and am sorry i didn't have a book like it 10 years ago!

Just in relation to the above - what constitutes a hinge exercise?

Anything hamstring dominant. Deadlift, KB swing, snatch, clean etc and their variants.

discus

What the hell is Load Carrying?

edit: this sort of ****?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqDYrBvMxZ8

Hanley

discus wrote: »

What the hell is Load Carrying?

edit: this sort of ****?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqDYrBvMxZ8

Farmer walk. Waiter walk. Yolk walk. Etc.

discus

Whoop whoop, happy days. So this is the new thing eh? When are we gonna see it in Mens Health?

hsbc

Hanley wrote: »

Farmer walk. Waiter walk. Yolk walk. Etc.

would prowlers & sleds fit in under load carries?

Inspector Coptoor

hsbc wrote: »

would prowlers & sleds fit in under load carries?

I would have thought not.

the load should be fully supported by the carrier, not dragged or pushed along the ground.

dragonkin

hsbc wrote: »

would prowlers & sleds fit in under load carries?

Yeah in the book he suggests these as well.