Should there be eqaulity for children in society where possible?

steddyeddy

When I talk about eqaulity I mean specifically eqaulity in education provided by state bodies. I know this is going to be called socilist by those who dont understand it but I am a capitalist at heart and believe that people have the right to earn a better life for themselves and those who do are entitled to keep it that way.

The other side of that is those who are born into situations out of their control eg poverty, hunger, abuse or an area ran by drug dealers. In life they have been punished for being born and children of better off are rewarded for being born.

The above will never change and I accept this. It is a fact of life but what I wont accept that people who already are born into a situation that should already be conducive to doing well in life are put into better shcools and health care because of their parents wealth. As regards education giving people a better chance of getting into college because of wealth removes makes it less likely that college is going to be exclusively comprised of the most intelligent. Look at Finland they dont have private schools in effect. Education is equal for all children and they have one of the best education systems in the world.

Remove private schools or in my opinion we should increase university fees for those who can afford it. Two of the most intelligent people in an undergraduate class that I sometimes tutor might have to drop out and some of those with a lot more money who are frankly "fcucking idiots" are still there (a lecturers description not mine).


So should education be equal to all? In my view yes in terms of wealth but not in terms of intelligence. More intelligent people should be in college.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

steddyeddy wrote: »

When I talk about eqaulity I mean specifically eqaulity in education provided by state bodies. I know this is going to be called socilist by those who dont understand it but I am a capitalist at heart and believe that people have the right to earn a better life for themselves and those who do are entitled to keep it that way.

The other side of that is those who are born into situations out of their control eg poverty, hunger, abuse or an area ran by drug dealers. In life they have been punished for being born and children of better off are rewarded for being born.

The above will never change and I accept this. It is a fact of life but what I wont accept that people who already are born into a situation that should already be conducive to doing well in life are put into better shcools and health care because of their parents wealth. As regards education giving people a better chance of getting into college because of wealth removes makes it less likely that college is going to be exclusively comprised of the most intelligent. Look at Finland they dont have private schools in effect. Education is equal for all children and they have one of the best education systems in the world.

Remove private schools or in my opinion we should increase university fees for those who can afford it. Two of the most intelligent people in an undergraduate class that I sometimes tutor might have to drop out and some of those with a lot more money who are frankly "fcucking idiots" are still there (a lecturers description not mine).

Sorry for the rant but I dont get for a second how someone who in the case of those people in my class who had five hundred euro bottles of wine last week (bought by parents) cant afford to pay college fees!

So should education be equal to all? In my view yes in terms of wealth but not in terms of intelligence. More intelligent people should be in college.

More needs to be done for kids not born into an affluenet lifestyle ultimately. People can whinge on about oh I never had that and I didnt commit crime, as you know they will, but social deprivation is a major cause of juvenile crime, end of.

Of course, kids don't vot so it'll never happen.

Why are you talking about wanting more intelligent people in college and then saying the idiots should be allowed in if they can pay the fees? How does this make everyone "more equal"?

Your post is completely contradictory.

As regards education giving people a better chance of getting into college because of wealth removes makes it less likely that college is going to be exclusively comprised of the most intelligent.
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Remove private schools or in my opinion we should increase university fees for those who can afford it. Two of the most intelligent people in an undergraduate class that I sometimes tutor might have to drop out and some of those with a lot more money who are frankly "fcucking idiots" are still there (a lecturers description not mine).
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More intelligent people should be in college.

corktina

i voted YES as an aspiration, it won't happen though

Lord Trollington

steddyeddy wrote: »

When I talk about eqaulity I mean specifically eqaulity in education provided by state bodies. I know this is going to be called socilist by those who dont understand it but I am a capitalist at heart and believe that people have the right to earn a better life for themselves and those who do are entitled to keep it that way.

The other side of that is those who are born into situations out of their control eg poverty, hunger, abuse or an area ran by drug dealers. In life they have been punished for being born and children of better off are rewarded for being born.

The above will never change and I accept this. It is a fact of life but what I wont accept that people who already are born into a situation that should already be conducive to doing well in life are put into better shcools and health care because of their parents wealth. As regards education giving people a better chance of getting into college because of wealth removes makes it less likely that college is going to be exclusively comprised of the most intelligent. Look at Finland they dont have private schools in effect. Education is equal for all children and they have one of the best education systems in the world.

Remove private schools or in my opinion we should increase university fees for those who can afford it. Two of the most intelligent people in an undergraduate class that I sometimes tutor might have to drop out and some of those with a lot more money who are frankly "fcucking idiots" are still there (a lecturers description not mine).

Sorry for the rant but I dont get for a second how someone who in the case of those people in my class who had five hundred euro bottles of wine last week (bought by parents) cant afford to pay college fees!

So should education be equal to all? In my view yes in terms of wealth but not in terms of intelligence. More intelligent people should be in college.

It's the years before College that decides their willingness and drive to attend 3rd level education.

You have to be pushed and encouraged by your parents at a young age to reach your potential. There is little or no point in making education equal to all when you have the parents at home who couldn't care less whether they attend school or not at 9/10, let alone attending College at 17/18 years of age.

This is possibly for another thread but some of the people out there today who are parents are not fit to have a dog let alone a child.

Lord Trollington

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

More needs to be done for kids not born into an affluenet lifestyle ultimately. People can whinge on about oh I never had that and I didnt commit crime, as you know they will, but social deprivation is a major cause of juvenile crime, end of.

Of course, kids don't vot so it'll never happen.

More needs to be done? Like what exactly?

omahaid

I'm confused at what you mean equal. Do you mean that some adults should pay to go to college and other adults should not?

steddyeddy

bluewolf wrote: »

Why are you talking about wanting more intelligent people in college and then saying the idiots should be allowed in if they can pay the fees? How does this make everyone "more equal"?

Your post is completely contradictory.

I'm not equating intelligence with a socio economic group exclusively but I am saying those who have more money (with richer parents in reality) and who are less intelligent are more likely to get into college than han other less intelligent but poorer people. Free fees were introduced to widen access to education but all it did is give more higher earners more money to put towards grind schools and private schools.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Lord Trollington wrote: »

It's the years before College that decides their willingness and drive to attend 3rd level education.

You have to be pushed and encouraged by your parents at a young age to reach your potential. There is little or no point in making education equal to all when you have the parents at home who couldn't care less whether they attend school or not at 9/10, let alone attending College at 17/18 years of age.

This is possibly for another thread but some of the people out there today who are parents are not fit to have a dog let alone a child.

The probelm there is that education should be education, not an entrance exam to college. If it's ultimately worthless (i.e. the student gains little direct value) then being equal is not going to be worht the time.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

I'm not equating intelligence with a socio economic group exclusively but I am saying those who have more money (with richer parents in reality) and who are less intelligent are more likely to get into college than han other less intelligent but poorer people. Free fees were introduced to widen access to education but all it did is give more higher earners more money to put towards grind schools and private schools.

What you're saying is:
- there are people who can afford fees who are in college but may or may not be up there on the intelligence rankings
- you want more intelligent people in college
- therefore people who are less intelligent but have more money can still pay to go to college and you're ok with that despite point #2

Like I said, you're a bit all over the place.
Also having a select group pay fees and another group not pay fees is not "equality".

steddyeddy

Lord Trollington wrote: »

It's the years before College that decides their willingness and drive to attend 3rd level education.

You have to be pushed and encouraged by your parents at a young age to reach your potential. There is little or no point in making education equal to all when you have the parents at home who couldn't care less whether they attend school or not at 9/10, let alone attending College at 17/18 years of age.

This is possibly for another thread but some of the people out there today who are parents are not fit to have a dog let alone a child.

I agree that the parents are the most important element here but If equality doesnt work why is Finland's system working?

brummytom

You want to rich to pay higher fees? That's not equality. Education should, in my opinion, be free for all.

By all means, tax the high earners to buggery so they'll be paying more in a roundabout way, but you can't say 'the poor must go to college/uni for free while everyone who earns over a certain amount must pay'. If anything, that would antagonise the already-squeezed middle classes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Lord Trollington wrote: »

More needs to be done? Like what exactly?

Better facilities for one thing. A muddy football pitch and a boxing gym doesnt really give much variety.

steddyeddy

steddyeddy wrote: »

I agree that the parents are the most important element here but If equality doesnt work why is Finland's system working?

Because there is a lot more value placed on education there. Which was his point.

Scanlas The 2nd

A decent minimum of health care and education should be provided to all. If wealthy parents want to pay for better health care and education that's their own business. It's their money they can spend it how they wish.

So long as your child is getting a good education and healthcare provided by the state you are a "little moany b1tch" if you whine that someone else's kids get better private education. If you want a better education for your child earn the money to pay for it yourself.

Ikky Poo2

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Better facilities for one thing. A muddy football pitch and a boxing gym doesnt really give much variety.

A trashed playground and ignored swimming pool isn't exactly going to spark a reform or an interest in education

steddyeddy

bluewolf wrote: »

What you're saying is:
- there are people who can afford fees who are in college but may or may not be up there on the intelligence rankings

No what I am saying is private schools facilitate the entry of the less intelligence into college and the more intelligent from poorer areas will be less likely to get into college. The fees issue was an unrelated comment which I will edit now.

- you want more intelligent people in college

Yes at the moment private schools sned a larger amount of people to college than other groups. In the sciences we are getting idiots.

- therefore people who are less intelligent but have more money can still pay to go to college and you're ok with that despite point #2

As I said it was an unrelated point and is now edited out of my original post.

Like I said, you're a bit all over the place.
Also having a select group pay fees and another group not pay fees is not "equality".

Point taken and acted on

steddyeddy

bluewolf wrote: »

Because there is a lot more value placed on education there. Which was his point.

My point is that greater value is placed on education in part because children are at a relatively equal footing.

brummytom

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

A decent minimum of health care and education should be provided to all. If wealthy parents want to pay for better health care and education that's their own business. It's their money they can spend it how they wish.

So long as your child is getting a good education and healthcare provided by the state you are a "little moany b1tch" if you whine that someone else's kids get better private education. If you want a better education for your child earn the money to pay for it yourself.

It would be nice if it really was that easy. 'Earn the money, and send your kids to a private school'.

Over here in the UK, the majority of privately-educated children come from a ruling class/aristocracy background, while the minority who come from 'new money' are looked upon by their peers with disdain. My point is, the majority of people who can afford to send their children to top class institutions (giving them a direct route to an easy life) have done fcuk all to earn their money, except fiddle inheritance laws. I know life's not fair, that doesn't mean people should be told to put up or shut up, though. It's a shame that certain people are 'elite' because of the name they are born into while doing nothing of any value themselves.

stevenmu

steddyeddy wrote: »

Remove private schools or in my opinion we should increase university fees for those who can afford it.

What do private schools have to do with it, I might be misunderstanding your post, but it seems like you are suggesting that getting rid of private schools will make college more affordable for the less well off?

steddyeddy

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

A decent minimum of health care and education should be provided to all. If wealthy parents want to pay for better health care and education that's their own business. It's their money they can spend it how they wish.

So long as your child is getting a good education and healthcare provided by the state you are a "little moany b1tch" if you whine that someone else's kids get better private education. If you want a better education for your child earn the money to pay for it yourself.

I will be on better pay than most. I will have a univeristy job so Im not worried about my kids. My point is If I can increase their chances of getting a college place over another kid because of my money then that is wrong. If my children are born dunces and through my extra money and better teacher student ratio get into college than that is wrong.

You see It's not me thats suffering nor my kids. It will be some other kid who is unlucky enough to be born into worse circumstances. So basically feck the choice of the parent. It is alwas wrong to treat kids unequally no matter how rich their parents are.

steddyeddy

stevenmu wrote: »

What do private schools have to do with it, I might be misunderstanding your post, but it seems like you are suggesting that getting rid of private schools will make college more affordable for the less well off?

Yes you are. I am suggesting that private schools are a varible which defeats the purpose of the use of academic testing to determine college entry.

steddyeddy

The fees thing is not the most important point here nor is it one I feel very strongly about. It was just an option in the poll included to give people more choice.

jimmycrackcorm

Does having equality mean banning parents from spending their income on extra grinds for their kids? Because if you want to mandate equality then it means bringing education down to the lowest common denominator.

steddyeddy

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Does having equality mean banning parents from spending their income on extra grinds for their kids? Because if you want to mandate equality then it means bringing education down to the lowest common denominator.

Like in Finland?

Musefan

http://www.allirelandscholarships.com/ this man is attempting to help the less well off attend college. I owe my college education to him. I wonder if it would be possible for more to do what he does!

steddyeddy

Musefan wrote: »

http://www.allirelandscholarships.com/ this man is attempting to help the less well off attend college. I owe my college education to him. I wonder if it would be possible for more to do what he does!

I'm involved in something simlar which I wont name in case I give it a bad name ha ha. Fair play to you anyway I hope you enjoyed you'r collge experience!

Gyalist

How many posts on this topic are you going to make this year?

Time to get over the fact that you didn't attend private school. Let it go.

blackwhite

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes you are. I am suggesting that private schools are a varible which defeats the purpose of the use of academic testing to determine college entry.

You have a serious chip on your shoulder about private schools, you already created a near identical thread not too long ago.

Parent who have the means and the desire will spend extra on their childrens' education whether you like it or not. Abolish private schools and they'll just pay for extra grinds. Ban paying for grinds and they'll just hire a teacher as a "child-minder" for after-school time (who incidentally spends the child-minding time giving lessons).

Jealousy and prejudice towards those fortunate enough to have been given a good start by their parents isn't going to achieve anything.

Be constructive about it, maybe try looking for more ways to encourage and facilitate those from less fortunate circumstances instead of trying to attack those that you perceive to be "well-off."

steddyeddy

Gyalist wrote: »

How many posts on this topic are you going to make this year?

Time to get over the fact that you didn't attend private school. Let it go.

It really isnt a problem for me as Im in a position that I want to be anyway. My real issue here is the amount of sub-par students private schools faciliate into third level education. I wont be able to get over it because I have to work with these people day in and day out.

blackwhite

Classy poll by the way.

Three options showing variants on what you want, and one that paints anyone who disagrees as having an extreme viewpoint.

Glad to see that you welcome open debate :rolleyes:

jackofalltrades

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Does having equality mean banning parents from spending their income on extra grinds for their kids?

Exactly, would parents who aren't working be limited to spending the same time helping their kids with their homework as parents who do work.
What happens when some parents are better at helping their kids with their homework than others.

You'd also have to get rid of all DEIS school funding, in the interest of true equality.

steddyeddy

blackwhite wrote: »

You have a serious chip on your shoulder about private schools, you already created a near identical thread not too long ago.

Parent who have the means and the desire will spend extra on their childrens' education whether you like it or not. Abolish private schools and they'll just pay for extra grinds. Ban paying for grinds and they'll just hire a teacher as a "child-minder" for after-school time (who incidentally spends the child-minding time giving lessons).

Jealousy and prejudice towards those fortunate enough to have been given a good start by their parents isn't going to achieve anything.

Be constructive about it, maybe try looking for more ways to encourage and facilitate those from less fortunate circumstances instead of trying to attack those that you perceive to be "well-off."

First of all I dont think people who send their kids to private schools are well off by defination. A lot are on the breadline based on their choice to do so. The other point is that how can I be constructive about the situation when we have people getting into college that shouldnt be there.

Vito Corleone

Private schools are a cancer on our educational system. They deprive intelligent and hard working students from getting the best from their education while in many cases giving lazy slackers an insurmountable advantage.

And before anyone posts the inevitable low blow "chip on your shoulder" comment, I could be going to a private school if I wanted.

steddyeddy

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Exactly, would parents who aren't working be limited to spending the same time helping their kids with their homework as parents who do work.
What happens when some parents are better at helping their kids with their homework than others.

You'd also have to get rid of all DEIS school funding, in the interest of true equality.

I am in complete agreement. If we brought equality into shcools then that would'nt be a problem though.

steddyeddy

blackwhite wrote: »

Classy poll by the way.

Three options showing variants on what you want, and one that paints anyone who disagrees as having an extreme viewpoint.

Glad to see that you welcome open debate :rolleyes:

I do. Feel free to post your poll suggestions and I will ask a mod to change them.

Gyalist

Your constant sniping at the intelligence of those who, through no fault of their own, were able to attend private school reeks of bitterness and envy.

Ziphius

Surely the issue here is with the university admissions policy rather than private schooling. If sub-par students are being admitted the universities should change their selection criteria. Interviews, personal statements, matriculation exams, and so on.

steddyeddy

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Private schools are a cancer on our educational system. They deprive intelligent and hard working students from getting the best from their education while in many cases giving lazy slackers an insurmountable advantage.

And before anyone posts the inevitable low blow "chip on your shoulder" comment, I could be going to a private school if I wanted.

Yes I'm sick of this chip on shoulder thing. Listen I'm working where I want to be. I have faith in my intelligence and it has got me where I want to be in life but I have come across the following in my undergraduate degree, my masters and now my phd. I as an academic am worrying about who is getting into college and thats all there is too it.

They deprive intelligent and hard working students from getting the best from their education while in many cases giving lazy slackers an insurmountable advantage.

blackwhite

steddyeddy wrote: »

First of all I dont think people who send their kids to private schools are well off by defination. A lot are on the breadline based on their choice to do so.

On your previous thread you repeatedly were of the opinion that people who can afford to, and choose to pay for private education should receive no support at all. Your agenda throughout was quite clearly aimed at the "well-off"

steddyeddy wrote: »

we have people getting into college that shouldnt be there.

Why shouldn't they? They got the points to get in, same as anyone else. They sat the same exams.
As already pointed out, parents who send their kids to private schools will just pay for grinds/private lessons if the private schools were done away with.

As an aside, the points system is a joke because it doesn't gauge whether a person has the correct aptitude for a course, purely if they did better than other people who wanted the course. Admission should be based on performance in subjects related to the course - someone getting an A1 or a D3 in History shouldn't have any impact on whether they get into a medicine course. This is probably the main reason you get unsuitable people into your courses, nothing to do with private v public schools. Especially with the trend for low points for entry into many science courses you are bound to get plenty of unsuitable people, regardless of where they went to school.

steddyeddy

Ziphius wrote: »

Surely the issue here is with the university admissions policy rather than private schooling. If sub-par students are being admitted the universities should change their selection criteria. Interviews, personal statements, matriculation exams, and so on.

Yes Trinity is doing this and I am all for it.

Ziphius

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Private schools are a cancer on our educational system. They deprive intelligent and hard working students from getting the best from their education while in many cases giving lazy slackers an insurmountable advantage.

And before anyone posts the inevitable low blow "chip on your shoulder" comment, I could be going to a private school if I wanted.

This research suggests the opposite. http://www.voxeu.org/article/competition-private-schools-boosts-performance-system-wide

Using data from the 2003 PISA study the authors found that competition between public and private schools increased achievement in students in both private and public schools. The competition also reduces the cost of education per child.

Also, interestingly, a large Catholic population in 1900 was correlated with a larger private education sector in 2003.

Vito Corleone

Vito Corleone wrote: »

Private schools are a cancer on our educational system. They deprive intelligent and hard working students from getting the best from their education while in many cases giving lazy slackers an insurmountable advantage.

And before anyone posts the inevitable low blow "chip on your shoulder" comment, I could be going to a private school if I wanted.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Yes I'm sick of this chip on shoulder thing. Listen I'm working where I want to be. I have faith in my intelligence and it has got me where I want to be in life but I have come across the following in my undergraduate degree, my masters and now my phd. I as an academic am worrying about who is getting into college and thats all there is too it.

Ye are both talking nonsense. If they get the points for the courses they have passed the same exams and are as entitled to the college place as anyone else.

You cant decide that just because the parents can spend some money on their child's education then they shouldn't be allowed to, its actually shocking that so called intelligent people are suggesting such a controlled society where people are prevented from getting the best possible for their children.

Sure nearly every child gets grinds in something or other nowadays as very few people are strong at every subject. Do you want the outlawed too.

twinytwo

steddyeddy wrote: »

When I talk about eqaulity I mean specifically eqaulity in education provided by state bodies. I know this is going to be called socilist by those who dont understand it but I am a capitalist at heart and believe that people have the right to earn a better life for themselves and those who do are entitled to keep it that way.

The other side of that is those who are born into situations out of their control eg poverty, hunger, abuse or an area ran by drug dealers. In life they have been punished for being born and children of better off are rewarded for being born.

The above will never change and I accept this. It is a fact of life but what I wont accept that people who already are born into a situation that should already be conducive to doing well in life are put into better shcools and health care because of their parents wealth. As regards education giving people a better chance of getting into college because of wealth removes makes it less likely that college is going to be exclusively comprised of the most intelligent. Look at Finland they dont have private schools in effect. Education is equal for all children and they have one of the best education systems in the world.

Remove private schools or in my opinion we should increase university fees for those who can afford it. Two of the most intelligent people in an undergraduate class that I sometimes tutor might have to drop out and some of those with a lot more money who are frankly "fcucking idiots" are still there (a lecturers description not mine).


So should education be equal to all? In my view yes in terms of wealth but not in terms of intelligence. More intelligent people should be in college.

Why remove private schools??... just because someone has to the money to send their child a private school??... i went to both and luckly did my leaving in a private school... there is no comparison between the two.

Rather than get rid of private schools why not sort out public schools... remove **** teachers who dont give a toss and problematic students who dont want to be there in the first place.

Scanlas The 2nd

brummytom wrote: »

It would be nice if it really was that easy. 'Earn the money, and send your kids to a private school'.

Over here in the UK, the majority of privately-educated children come from a ruling class/aristocracy background, while the minority who come from 'new money' are looked upon by their peers with disdain. My point is, the majority of people who can afford to send their children to top class institutions (giving them a direct route to an easy life) have done fcuk all to earn their money, except fiddle inheritance laws. I know life's not fair, that doesn't mean people should be told to put up or shut up, though. It's a shame that certain people are 'elite' because of the name they are born into while doing nothing of any value themselves.

If education and healthcare provided by the state is satisfactory there is nothing to complain about.

If someone else acquired their wealth legally it is no one else's business if they want to pay for better education for their children.

steddyeddy

tim_sims wrote: »

i dont believe in free college fees , we,ve gotten to a stage in this country where just saying you went to college is the ultimate goal , what your studied seems an afterthought , i dont see it as a rite of passage

i believe in scholarships for the very talented who cannot afford to pay fees however

A lot of the top universities in the states are that way because of the amount of scholarships they offer.

Madam_X

If people are happy to pay for private schools and grinds, why would it be a problem for them to pay college fees? Let those who can afford pay it, and let those who cannot afford it and want third level education pay it back later in life. It's not their fault they were born into less opportunity - and getting an education is beneficial for society as a whole, not just the individual.

steddyeddy

Gyalist wrote: »

Your constant sniping at the intelligence of those who, through no fault of their own, were able to attend private school reeks of bitterness and envy.

I didnt say all private school people are stupid. Intelligence isnt linked to socio economic status. I simply think the varible of private shcools should be either accounted for or eliminated. I dont see what's wrong with having all children getting an equal eduation.

Again though some seem to think wanting all kids to be giving an eqaul start in life equates to me "having a chip on my shoulder". By that reasoning I could say you have a serious chip on your shoulder about kids from deprived backgrounds having a good start in life.

Scanlas The 2nd

steddyeddy wrote: »

I didnt say all private school people are stupid. Intelligence isnt linked to socio economic status. I simply think the varible of private shcools should be either accounted for or eliminated. I dont see what's wrong with having all children getting an equal eduation.

Again though some seem to think wanting all kids to be giving an eqaul start in life equates to me "having a chip on my shoulder". By that reasoning I could say you have a serious chip on your shoulder about kids from deprived backgrounds having a good start in life.

So you don't believe people should be allowed to spend their own money how they wish?

Are you also against parents who spend more time than average helping their children understand their subjects? Surely "that's not fair".

So long as children get a good education it is ridiculous complaining that another child got a better one paid for by their parents.

Rodin

Academic selection is the way to go.

In the north the smart kids go to grammar school.

In the south, the kids with money behind them go to the good schools.

I'd rather be/have my kid in with other smart kids rather than rich (and possibly stupid) ones.

steddyeddy

Heres a short video featuring a man with a clearly enourmous chip on his shoulder. He's Director General Centre for International Mobility and Cooperation. He was behind the reformation of the Finish education system. Himself a former teacher and education reform expert he also played a large part in getting rid of private schools. In his words:

private elite schools were unfair and one of the root causes of inequality in the education system; they meant that the children of the most powerful people in the land were segregated off from all the others. The presence of private schools caused numerous destructive effects, which both the Left and Right wings in Finland recognised. Since getting rid of private schools, the attainment gap between the richest and poorest students in Finland has narrowed considerably.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBYcseDSWI4

Why is it a bad thing to want to properly evaluate students in the same class room setting?