Bus fares going up today

B*stards are putting up the fares again. They could have at least waited til the Christmas season was over.

New Adult Cash Fares from December 1st 2012: Cash Fare Leap Card Fare
Adult Stages 1 - 3 €1.65 €1.40

Stages 4 - 7 €2.15 €1.90

Stages 8 -13 €2.40 €2.10

Over 13 Stages €2.80 €2.45

Outer Suburban 1 €2.80 €2.45

Outer Suburban 2 €4.40 €4.00

Xpresso 1 Zone €3.25 €2.90

Xpresso 2 Zones €4.40 €4.00

City Centre Fare €0.65 €0.55

Route 90 & 91 Flat Fare €1.80 €1.60

Route 236 Flat Fare €1.65 €1.40


New Child Cash Fares from December 1st 2012: Cash Fare Leap Card Fare

Child Schoolchild €0.80 €0.70

Stages 1 -7 €1.00 €0.90

Over 7 Stages €1.25 €1.10

Outer Suburban 1 €1.25 €1.10

Outer Suburban 2 €2.10 €1.90

Xpresso 1 Zone €2.15 €1.90

Xpresso 2 Zones €2.50 €2.20

City Centre Fare €0.65 €0.55

Route 90 & 91 Flat Fare €0.95 €0.90

Route 236 Flat Fare €0.95 €0.90


Taken from: http://www.dublinbus.ie/en/News-Centre/General-News/National-Transport-Authority-approves-public-transport-fares-increases/

My old 1.90 fare now will cost me over €100 extra a year. Mad sound, Dublin Bus, mad sound :mad:

admiralofthefleet

all public transport fares have increased today. is there still the 50c city fare?

ElChe32

I'll be walking so.

admiralofthefleet

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

all public transport fares have increased today. is there still the 50c city fare?

City fare went up to .65

catch.23

Deleted User wrote: »

My old 1.90 fare now will cost me over €100 extra a year. Mad sound, Dublin Bus, mad sound :mad:

If you're using the bus that much why are you paying in single cash fares?

catch.23

catch.23 wrote: »

If you're using the bus that much why are you paying in single cash fares?

A: I wanted to. Sometimes I like to walk in instead
B: It was a handy way of saving money. I have €20 in change receipts from paying cash.
c: That over €100 figure is from 2 bus journeys 4 days a week. Is that that much?

But I'll have to go for a leap card. Another thing I can lose. Great :mad:

Captain Chaos

It's now cheaper for me to drive to and from work. I can pay my petrol and tax for the year and still have cash left over from my bus and train Leap card costs. Madness, thought they are trying to encourage public transport not drive people away from it.

As it is they have reduced the trains capacity and now put the fares up too. Why not just close CIE down and be done with it.

Green Diesel

If I was to use the leap card to get to work it would cost me €12.20 return.

Xpresso (4.00) + 12 stages (2.10) * 2 = €12.20

Travel 90 tickets work out better even after the 18% increase, €5 return.

Driving a 2.0 turbo petrol car is almost half the price of the leap fare :pac:

Tar.Aldarion

25 cent is a joke, 1.90 -> 2e would have been fine. ****ing 2.15. Such an awkward price.

Tar.Aldarion

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

all public transport fares have increased today. is there still the 50c city fare?

Where does that even go from and to? The city centre is tiny.

I may need a tinfoil hat for this one, but I presume there's a lot of money from unclaimed receipts. So the odder the amount, the more they get.

I remember reading they give it away to charity, but what amount the interest that builds up from that money in the meantime?

Green Diesel

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Where does that even go from and to? The city centre is tiny.

http://www.dublinbus.ie/Global/CCF20Leaflet.pdf

Tar.Aldarion

Deleted User wrote: »

I may need a tinfoil hat for this one, but I presume there's a lot of money from unclaimed receipts. So the odder the amount, the more they get.

I remember reading they give it away to charity, but what amount the interest that builds up from that money in the meantime?

I believe Dublin bus actually have to sit on that money and never use it in case somebody claims it? They never had a clause to say your money expires. Unless that has changed.


How much are the new prepaid cards?

NegativeCreep

The fares are actually a joke! I don't know why anyone pays them. Get a 30 day non-consecutive ticket. It works out way cheaper if you use the bus at all regularly.

Andy!!

Greedy pricks.

starviewadams

My LEAP fare has only gone up by 5c so not too annoyed.

Any increase on the €5 nitelink ticket?

Gavin "shels"

My leap price for work is up by 20c a trip, they've also just halved my routes timetable! :rolleyes:

Was there a protest years ago, where everyone paid in coppers on one day so the coppers filled up the coin machines and the drivers were forced to take on passengers for free?

Hootanany

Deleted User wrote: »

Was there a protest years ago, where everyone paid in coppers on one day so the coppers filled up the coin machines and the drivers were forced to take on passengers for free?

Never heard off that one but it would be great if it was done again sometime soon.

Tar.Aldarion

That happens sometimes anyway with the machines being full or broken. Good times.

Dancor

Pappa Dolla wrote: »

Was there a protest years ago, where everyone paid in coppers on one day so the coppers filled up the coin machines and the drivers were forced to take on passengers for free?

I only remember a driver protest day when they wouldn't accept money in the machines.

This must be the 7th year in a row that they have increased fares, they usually wait untill January though.

woodchuck

Any information on what the prepaid tickets are going up to?

LXFlyer

Prepaid ticket prices are not rising until January 1st. The new rates are listed on page 10 of this link:
http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Consideration-of-applications-to-increase-cash-Leap-and-pre-paid-tickets-from-Dublin-Bus-Bus-Eireann-Irish-Rail-and-the-RPA-for-2013-November-20121.pdf

People really need to become smarter about how they pay their fares. The amount of (and I use this word without any shame) idiots still paying cash fares is staggering.

They can either still pay exactly the same fare or less by switching to a LEAP card.

Granted those already using LEAP are having an increase, but it is not as big as that affecting cash fares.

The DB rambler range of non-consecutive days travel can offer big reductions also and are generally valid for about 18 months.

Neeson

Don't get this at all. What is the old 2.15 now?

LXFlyer

The reality is that the government are shifting the burden of paying for public transport onto the end user and away from themselves.

The company has been faced with in the last 12 months:
1) A falling subsidy and more to come
2) Rising fuel costs
3) Bearing the burden of the back office costs of LEAP (No funding provided for this)
4) Falling revenue

No matter much costs are cut (and yes they certainly could be cut more), someone has to pay for the service to operate.

And if the government aren't prepared to do it, that means you and me through higher fares. Unfortunately the price elasticity of urban public transport is not that responsive to fare reductions.

Anyone paying cash fares can avoid the price rises by switching to LEAP.

LXFlyer

Neeson wrote: »

Don't get this at all. What is the old 2.15 now?

If you continue to pay cash (which frankly you would only do if you are stupid - and I am not trying to be insulting), it will be €2.40.

If you get a LEAP card it will be €2.10.

Tar.Aldarion

Neeson wrote: »

Don't get this at all. What is the old 2.15 now?

2.40

NegativeCreep

lxflyer wrote: »

Prepaid ticket prices are not rising until January 1st. The new rates are listed on page 10 of this link:
http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Consideration-of-applications-to-increase-cash-Leap-and-pre-paid-tickets-from-Dublin-Bus-Bus-Eireann-Irish-Rail-and-the-RPA-for-2013-November-20121.pdf

People really need to become smarter about how they pay their fares. The amount of (and I use this word without any shame) idiots still paying cash fares is staggering.

They can either still pay exactly the same fare or less by switching to a LEAP card.

Granted those using LEAP are having an increase.

The DB rambler range of non-consecutive days travel can offer big reductions also and are generally valid for about 18 months.

91.50 for a student thirty day That's 70% of my monthly grant just on a bus ticket.

LXFlyer

Well as I said above. The government have pledged not to increase taxes. Therefore they will cut expenditure, which means the subsidy is being cut even more. Effectively that means you and I have to pay for it.

Neeson

lxflyer wrote: »

If you continue to pay cash (which frankly you would only do if you are stupid - and I am not trying to be insulting), it will be €2.40.

If you get a LEAP card it will be €2.10.

That's ok. I've been meaning to get one for a while.

woodchuck

Thanks lxflyer! My 30 day rambler will go from 115 to 125 :rolleyes: Pretty sure this was in the region of 85-90euro only a couple of years ago!!

A quick calculation looks like it'll still work out cheaper for me than a leap card though.

(where do people who pay in cash twice a day find all that change btw!? :P)

monument

lxflyer wrote: »

Unfortunately the price elasticity of urban public transport is not that responsive to fare reductions.

Unfortunately for Dublin Bus the fall in passangers numbers shows that it is more elastic than they may have first thought... We'll see if that trend contuines...

NegativeCreep wrote: »

91.50 for a student thirty day That's 70% of my monthly grant just on a bus ticket.

If it suits, it may be worth looking at getting a bicycle.

Pappa Dolla wrote: »

A: I wanted to. Sometimes I like to walk in instead
B: It was a handy way of saving money. I have €20 in change receipts from paying cash.
c: That over €100 figure is from 2 bus journeys 4 days a week. Is that that much?

But I'll have to go for a leap card. Another thing I can lose. Great :mad:

The non-consecutive 5 or 30 day tickets may also suit.

Following in the footsteps of London and other cities, the idea is to make paying in cash less attractive and push more people towards using cards.

woodchuck wrote: »

Any information on what the prepaid tickets are going up to?

Everything but the yearly/monthly tickets -- see page 11 of the report PDF: http://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/fares-increase-november-2012/

Yearly / monthly tickets: http://www.nationaltransport.ie/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/National-Transport-Authority-approves-public-transport-fares-increases-for-monthly-and-annual-tickets2.pdf

Captain Chaos wrote: »

It's now cheaper for me to drive to and from work. I can pay my petrol and tax for the year and still have cash left over from my bus and train Leap card costs. Madness, thought they are trying to encourage public transport not drive people away from it.

As it is they have reduced the trains capacity and now put the fares up too. Why not just close CIE down and be done with it.

Where are you traveling to and from?

Is there a good reason you're not using the discounted 30 day or monthly or yearly tickets?

LXFlyer

monument wrote: »

Unfortunately for Dublin Bus the fall in passangers numbers shows that it is more elastic than they may have first thought... We'll see if that trend contuines...

I don't doubt that you could be right about that, but I am pretty convinced that any increase in passenger numbers caused by reducing fares would not bridge the gap caused by the increase in fuel costs, reduction in subsidy and additional costs of operating LEAP.

NegativeCreep

monument wrote: »

If it suits, it may be worth looking at getting a bicycle.

Even the notion turns my stomach.

Captain Chaos

monument wrote: »

Where are you traveling to and from?

Is there a good reason you're not using the discounted 30 day or monthly or yearly tickets?

From Clongriffin to Killester. But I work shift work. Some weeks I can work all my hours in 3 days and other weeks I could be in 7 days a week to get all my hours. Varies but even with Leap its cheaper for me to drive. I can do 7 round trips to work on about €12 petrol versus €21 on a Leap card.

No ticket option is cheaper than me driving to work. Plus I get an extra hour in bed each morning and an extra hour of free time in the evening. That's an extra 14 hours quality time per week, can't put a price on that frankly.

bobin fudge

I am to ****ed off to say anything constructive at all :cool:

Corruptedmorals

I hate the first few days of a fare hike, bus is slower than normal due to loading taking longer with people complaining. It took 20 minutes longer than it should have today, with no major traffic.

€2.80 cash fare for my route (I use leap) is disgraceful. It was €1.90 circa 2004..

WoollyRedHat

I wish someone reformed CIEE. What is the regularity of the price hikes which they have inflicted on consumersw in comparision to places like London?

Can we not have an efficient and affordable bus service at the same time? Is there not some severe waste that could be cut within the management structure of the CIEE itself?

rolliepoley

A fiver a day on bus fare is 25 quid a week, a month is 100 quid, a year is 1200 quid,

1200 quid on bus fare is a fkn joke. time to get back in the car.

LXFlyer

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I wish someone reformed CIEE. What is the regularity of the price hikes which they have inflicted on consumersw in comparision to places like London?

Can we not have an efficient and affordable bus service at the same time? Is there not some severe waste that could be cut within the management structure of the CIEE itself?

London fares also rise on an annual basis.

As I posted above what do you suggest in the light of:
1) Massively falling subsidies
2) Large increase in fuel prices
3) Additional overheads due to the company being forced to bear the back office costs associated with LEAP
4) DSP funding being capped

There are additional cost savings to be achieved but people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think that will make up the difference.

The government are shifting the burden of funding public transport onto the end user rather than funding it themselves.

Lawrence1895

I surely know by know, why I'm cycling...

schemingbohemia

rolliepoley wrote: »

A fiver a day on bus fare is 25 quid a week, a month is 100 quid, a year is 1200 quid,

1200 quid on bus fare is a fkn joke. time to get back in the car.

If you're spending that much, why haven't you looked at getting either a rambler ticket, stocking up on Travel90 tickets or asked your employer about the www.taxsaver.ie ticket scheme? Cheaper for them, they save on Employer PRSI and cheaper for you, depending on the tax rate you pay you could save half the gross cost of the ticket.

guineylab

time to stock up on 30 day tickets!!

readytosnap

where is outer suburban 2?

liffeylite

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Where does that even go from and to? The city centre is tiny.

From portobello bridge right up to the top of parnell square is still city centre, capel street to fitzwilliam square etc. Its hardly tiny. Wouldnt want to walk either with shopping in tow :-)

LXFlyer

readytosnap wrote: »

where is outer suburban 2?

The outer sections of routes 33/33a, 65 and 84.

WoollyRedHat

lxflyer wrote: »

London fares also rise on an annual basis.

As I posted above what do you suggest in the light of:
1) Massively falling subsidies
2) Large increase in fuel prices
3) Additional overheads due to the company being forced to bear the back office costs associated with LEAP
4) DSP funding being capped

There are additional cost savings to be achieved but people are living in cloud cuckoo land if they think that will make up the difference.

The government are shifting the burden of funding public transport onto the end user rather than funding it themselves.

Well that's something they will obviously have to contend with.

They need to scale back their management, there have obviously been failings for some time now. I also don't understand the spending of money on Wifi when they are cutting back services, and then raising fares. Wifi is not a neccesity, especially during cutbacks.. need to get their priorities in order.
Bus time management is still an issue that is not addressed where you have an oversupply of buses, all arriving at once and is greatly irritating. Why can't they get this?

gooch2k9

It's ridiculous they are allowed raise their prices when they haven't even got their ship in order.

Only down here since September but have experienced two same buses arriving at the same time, buses mysteriously not arriving at all and them real time boards seem next to useless half the time. Compare that to living in New York over the summer, where the bus would arrive where it is timetabled to be on the minute without fail every time so the boards wouldn't have been needed at all.

Even the ticket pricing I find flawed here, the flat rate system in NY seems much easier to operate, especially for tourists, so I don't see why that couldn't be done here.

Maybe it is an unfair comparison but Dublin Bus aren't in any way close to the NY system so there is obviously room for huge improvement!

bobin fudge

get this then, I always get a bus from location X to location Y and it was always €1.40, today I said €1.65 and the bus driver asked where I was going to and I told him and he said that is €2.15!! I explained how it has always been €1.40 in the past for the destination and even says on the ticket, he let me on today at €1.65 and the ticket when I checked at it now has the fare stopping off a stop back from the original

In short paying more and going less on the route

what a **** company

LXFlyer

The fare stages have not changed.

Without knowing where you are going to/from its impossible to confirm which fare is correct.

bobin fudge

perhaps, still a pile of ***** though