Israel considers racially segregated bus lines in West Bank

Run_to_da_hills

They don't call it apartheid, but the Israeli ministry of transportation is now considering racially segregated bus lines that pass through parts of the West bank. Is this a case of history repeating itself?



Human rights groups have reacted angrily to reports that Israel’s transportation ministry is considering operating separate buses for Jews and Palestinians in the West Bank.

The move follows recent complaints from Jewish settlers who claimed that Palestinian day labourers returning to the West Bank posed a “security threat”.

Almost 30,000 Palestinians, all with valid work permits obtained after stringent security checks, travel from the West Bank to Israel each day and are required to return the same evening. In a few cases, police ordered the Palestinian workers off crowded buses, following complaints from settlers.

Israeli human rights group B’Tselem said the transportation ministry, like all other governmental bodies, could not provide services on a discriminatory basis and there was no legal justification for separating Palestinians from Israelis.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2012/1130/1224327302822.html

donvito99

D'Israelis desperately need a few PR men.

Christ, this is desperate.



But RTDH?

Siuin

Since when are Jews and Palestinians different 'races'?

delthedriver

This isn't an issue of racism, but security.
I for one would not feel comfortable travelling in a bus with Palestinians who have backpacks on them.

Seaneh

Siuin wrote: »

Since when are Jews and Palestinians different 'races'?

Since most Israeli's aren't Arab. Ashkenazis are the vast majority.

Seaneh

delthedriver wrote: »

This isn't an issue of racism, but security.
I for one would not feel comfortable travelling in a bus with Palestinians who have backpacks on them.

Utterly disgusting. I'm sure rednecks in alabama said the same thing about african americans in the 50's.

newmug

Them Isreali's. Hypocricy means nothing to them.

Siuin

Seaneh wrote: »

Since most Israeli's aren't Arab. Ashkenazis are the vast majority.

Ashkenazi Jews are not in the 'vast majority' by a long shot. Due to the fact that between 800,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were expelled from or fled their homes in Arab countries from 1948 until the early 1970s, the percentage of mizrachi Jews soared. It's funny, when people talk about racism and the oppression and expulsion of people based on their religion, you never hear them mention these Jews from Arab lands. The percentage of Ashkenazim in Israel fell below 50% in the mid 60s and these days they have a narrow majority due to the large scale emigratin of Jews from the Soviet Union during the 90s. If this was an issue of race, they'd surely be targetting the Ethiopian and mizrachi Jews too.

This is an issue of security and really, this has been occuring in the West Bank for a very long time already, as Arabs usually would board buses into the West Bank from Arab-dominated East Jerusalem whereas Israelis are usually compelled to use armoured buses if they want to travel into the West Bank for safety reasons.

Seaneh

Well white Israeli's are already doing a pretty good job of discriminating against the Ethiopian Israeli's...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/thousands-in-jerusalem-protest-racism-against-ethiopian-israelis-1.407998

newmug

Seaneh wrote: »

Since most Israeli's aren't Arab. Ashkenazis are the vast majority.

They're ALL from the Arab family tree. 90% of their genes are common. Its just a religious choice thing, some follow the Jewish religion, some follow the Islamic religion.

Siuin

Seaneh wrote: »

Well white Israeli's are already doing a pretty good job of discriminating against the Ethiopian Israeli's...

http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/thousands-in-jerusalem-protest-racism-against-ethiopian-israelis-1.407998

Way to try change the subject when you realise your point is wrong.
Of course, racism doesn't happen in Ireland does it? Or Europe? No, no not at all.

Siuin

newmug wrote: »

They're ALL from the Arab family tree. 90% of their genes are common. Its just a religious choice thing, some follow the Jewish religion, some follow the Islamic religion.

True, they're all said to be descendants of the same semitic grouping (except converts, of course). However, I'm very uncomfortable with the notion of Jews as a specific 'race'.

newmug

Siuin wrote: »

True, they're all said to be descendants of the same semitic grouping (except converts, of course). However, I'm very uncomfortable with the notion of Jews as a specific 'race'.

You cant "convert" to a race! As for Jews not being a specific race, thats my point! They're not! They are just genetically arab people who follow the Jewish religion.

Of course, a small percentage of Isreali's are from other races, eg. white Europeans who fled to Isreal after WW2. But most are not.

Higher

delthedriver wrote: »

This isn't an issue of racism, but security.
I for one would not feel comfortable travelling in a bus with Palestinians who have backpacks on them.

So you were in support of the English bars who banned Irish at the height of the troubles because they were afraid we would plant nail bombs?

intellectual dosser

Whats the difference if its racist or not - its still discrimination.

Any other place or country and the world would be on them like a ton of bricks.

Siuin

I see the logic in this from a security point of view. After all, only a few days ago a bus was bombed by Palestinian terrorists in Tel Aviv, far outside the disputed territories where one would not expect hostilities to arise. So in such volatile regions as the West Bank, people have every right to be anxious for their security while using public transportation. I've never once been on a bus to or from the West Bank which has had a mixed population on board, simply because Arabs and Jews go to different parts of the West Bank anyway.

Cavehill Red

Racist nation considers more racist laws against its helots. Why is anyone surprised?

Siuin

Once again, look back at the first page where we already established that Jews are not a 'race'.

Bradidup

Siuin wrote: »

I see the logic in this from a security point of view. After all, only a few days ago a bus was bombed by Palestinian terrorists in Tel Aviv, far outside the disputed territories where one would not expect hostilities to arise. So in such volatile regions as the West Bank, people have every right to be anxious for their security while using public transportation. I've never once been on a bus to or from the West Bank which has had a mixed population on board, simply because Arabs and Jews go to different parts of the West Bank anyway.

yup all the hallmarks of a Mossad false flag, low impact bomb, almost empty bus with few in proximity.

Siuin

Bradidup wrote: »

yup all the hallmarks of a Mossad false flag, low impact bomb, almost empty bus with few in proximity.

:rolleyes: This is Politics, not Conspiracy Theories.

intellectual dosser

Siuin wrote: »

I see the logic in this from a security point of view. After all, only a few days ago a bus was bombed by Palestinian terrorists in Tel Aviv, far outside the disputed territories where one would not expect hostilities to arise. So in such volatile regions as the West Bank, people have every right to be anxious for their security while using public transportation. I've never once been on a bus to or from the West Bank which has had a mixed population on board, simply because Arabs and Jews go to different parts of the West Bank anyway.

If they'd segmented Protestants and Catholics like this in the North in the 70's would you call it logic?

I know bus bombings weren't common back then but I hope you can see my point.

Siuin

intellectual dosser wrote: »

If they'd segmented Protestants and Catholics like this in the North in the 70's would you call it logic?

I know bus bombings weren't common back then but I hope you can see my point.

Of course, any thread about Israel ultimately ends up being about the Troubles...

We're making a lot of mental leaps when comparing Palestinians to Catholics in Northern Ireland. What if the Catholics were continually bombarding Protestant areas with rockets for 5 years? What if Catholics elected terrorists to the head of their government who believed that 'justice' was served by shooting men in cold blood for being 'spies' and dragging a body through the streets? What if Catholics believed that suicide bombings were a legitimate means to getting what they wanted? If the Catholics of the North were this destructive, the we could compare them, but frankly they were not.

intellectual dosser

Siuin wrote: »

Of course, any thread about Israel ultimately ends up being about the Troubles...

We're making a lot of mental leaps when comparing Palestinians to Catholics in Northern Ireland. What if the Catholics were continually bombarding Protestant areas with rockets for 5 years? What if Catholics elected terrorists to the head of their government who believed that 'justice' was served by shooting men in cold blood for being 'spies' and dragging a body through the streets? What if Catholics believed that suicide bombings were a legitimate means to getting what they wanted? If the Catholics of the North were this destructive, the we could compare them, but frankly they were not.

Eh? I think everything you've said is true when it comes to Catholics.

We can argue about which came first, the chicken or the egg in this case but you think the Palestinians aren't provoked? If a neighboring government tried to take over my area I'd be fighting back to with any means necessary.

matty876

So sad to see us going back in time

Siuin

Siuin wrote: »

Of course, any thread about Israel ultimately ends up being about the Troubles...

We're making a lot of mental leaps when comparing Palestinians to Catholics in Northern Ireland. What if the Catholics were continually bombarding Protestant areas with rockets for 5 years? What if Catholics elected terrorists to the head of their government who believed that 'justice' was served by shooting men in cold blood for being 'spies' and dragging a body through the streets? What if Catholics believed that suicide bombings were a legitimate means to getting what they wanted? If the Catholics of the North were this destructive, the we could compare them, but frankly they were not.

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Eh? I think everything you've said is true when it comes to Catholics.

We can argue about which came first, the chicken or the egg in this case but you think the Palestinians aren't provoked? If a neighboring government tried to take over my area I'd be fighting back to with any means necessary.

Really?! Do explain how Catholics committed all of the above- I'm very interested to hear how that could possibly be correct.

I find it extremely distasteful how people like you are so open to the use of terrorism in the pursuit of political aims. Violence didn't work in Northern Ireland and it won't work for the Palestinians. What do you actually think rocket attacks on civilians in the southern populaton of Israel will achieve politically?

intellectual dosser

Siuin wrote: »

Really?! Do explain how Catholics committed all of the above- I'm very interested to hear how that could possibly be correct.

I find it extremely distasteful how people like you are so open to the use of terrorism in the pursuit of political aims. Violence didn't work in Northern Ireland and it won't work for the Palestinians. What do you actually think rocket attacks on civilians in the southern populaton of Israel will achieve politically?

Omagh bomb, London bombings, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness.

It sounds like you have the solution. Please tell us how people should react when another people take their land and bulldozer their homes. I cant guarantee but will certainly lobby to get you the Nobel Peace Prize.

Siuin

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Omagh bomb, London bombings, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness.

It sounds like you have the solution. Please tell us how people should react when another people take their land and bulldozer their homes. I cant guarantee but will certainly lobby to get you the Nobel Peace Prize.

The Omagh bombings etc were not continual rocket fire. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness dragged the bodies of spies through the streets? Ooh interesting- this is all news to me! As much as you might try to twist the facts, the Catholics of Northern Ireland were nowhere near as violent and destructive as a certain Palestinians are today.

So how's violence faring for the Palestinians so far? There are other means of purusing peace that blowing up innocent civilians, you know- and that goes both ways. Tbh I'm glad that the Palestinians have some form of UN recognition now, because it might bring them to set better standards for themselves in terms of pursuing peace through legtimate means. I don't have all the answers, but if NI taught us anything it's that violence only begets more violence and it's not until everyone sits down and talks that real progress can possibly be made.

Cavehill Red

Funny how this thread is basically one Israel apologist arguing against everybody else. A bit like how at the UN vote on Palestinian nationhood, it was Israel and their half a dozen Pacific Island mates against the entire rest of the planet.

Siuin

Cavehill Red wrote: »

Funny how this thread is basically one Israel apologist arguing against everybody else. A bit like how at the UN vote on Palestinian nationhood, it was Israel and their half a dozen Pacific Island mates against the entire rest of the planet.

How about engaging in actual debate with this 'Israel apologist' then?

intellectual dosser

Siuin wrote: »

The Omagh bombings etc were not continual rocket fire. Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness dragged the bodies of spies through the streets? Ooh interesting- this is all news to me! As much as you might try to twist the facts, the Catholics of Northern Ireland were nowhere near as violent and destructive as a certain Palestinians are today.

So how's violence faring for the Palestinians so far? There are other means of purusing peace that blowing up innocent civilians, you know- and that goes both ways. Tbh I'm glad that the Palestinians have some form of UN recognition now, because it might bring them to set better standards for themselves in terms of pursuing peace through legtimate means. I don't have all the answers, but if NI taught us anything it's that violence only begets more violence and it's not until everyone sits down and talks that real progress can possibly be made.

Right, last post because we're not going to agree.

I dont think its right to accuse me of twisting words when you suggest that I said Martin McGuinness dragged dead spies through the streets. The bombings etc were significant events surrounded by continuous incidents of violent terrorism that happened during the 70's and 80's.

Violence didn't work for the Nationalists, you're right. But tell me what happened to 26 unarmed civil rights protestors on Jan 30 1972. They were doing what you think the Palestinians should do.

This is a cruel world, the Palestinians have been oppressed for many years. Even yesterday the US and Israel objected to them getting a (mediocre) status within the UN. Violence and Peace seem to be equally useless weapons.

But go ahead, consider using separate buses for Israelis and Palestinians as LOGIC

The Saint

Siuin wrote: »

I see the logic in this from a security point of view.

I don't see how. Palestinians with work permits go through a security check before their permit is granted. If they are deemed a security risk then they will not receive a permit. These Palestinians are permitted to use public transportation within Israel so I'm unsure why they are a security threat only on buses going to the West Bank when it would be easier for them to blow up a bus in Tel Aviv if they was so inclined.

This issue isn't about security.

Memnoch

Siuin wrote: »

How about engaging in actual debate with this 'Israel apologist' then?

What's there to debate?

Those who defend Israel's actions always come back to the same excuse. Whatever they do is justified on the grounds of their security. Whether it's murder, internment, collective punishment of a civillian population or discrimination along racial lines.

The other line of debate is to employ semantics. I doubt the settlers see themselves as arabs. So it is an issue of race. The reason why racism is bad is because it involves discriminating against people based on something they cannot control, their ethnicity, as represented by their skin colour. Discriminating against someone like this on the grounds that there Palestinian is no different. 'Blacks are more likely to commit crimes so they should sit in the back of the bus or better yet in a different bus.' Now replace the word Blacks with palestinians. To you, one is wrong the other isn't. To me, both are equally wrong.

It's not possible to engage in a rational debate with someone who will resort to any trick to justify the dehumanisation of a people.

Higher

Siuin wrote: »

The Omagh bombings etc were not continual rocket fire.

Nope just continual bombings that caused far more deaths than rocket fire has in Israel.

Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness dragged the bodies of spies through the streets? Ooh interesting- this is all news to me! As much as you might try to twist the facts, the Catholics of Northern Ireland were nowhere near as violent and destructive as a certain Palestinians are today.

Really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIP-aVfw13w

Siuin

The Saint wrote: »

I don't see how. Palestinians with work permits go through a security check before their permit is granted. If they are deemed a security risk then they will not receive a permit. These Palestinians are permitted to use public transportation within Israel so I'm unsure why they are a security threat only on buses going to the West Bank when it would be easier for them to blow up a bus in Tel Aviv if they was so inclined.

This issue isn't about security.

The granting of work permits means nothing in terms of the likelihood of an Arab deciding to blow themselves up on a bus someday. The man arrested in connection with the recent bombing of a bus in Tel Aviv was an Arab Israeli originally from the West Bank town of Ramallah who had been given permission to live in Israel- just because they have the permission to cross into Israel doesn't mean they're safe.

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Right, last post because we're not going to agree.

I dont think its right to accuse me of twisting words when you suggest that I said Martin McGuinness dragged dead spies through the streets. The bombings etc were significant events surrounded by continuous incidents of violent terrorism that happened during the 70's and 80's.

Violence didn't work for the Nationalists, you're right. But tell me what happened to 26 unarmed civil rights protestors on Jan 30 1972. They were doing what you think the Palestinians should do.

This is a cruel world, the Palestinians have been oppressed for many years. Even yesterday the US and Israel objected to them getting a (mediocre) status within the UN. Violence and Peace seem to be equally useless weapons.

But go ahead, consider using separate buses for Israelis and Palestinians as LOGIC

Last post because you can't accept that terrorism is not a legitimate means of pusuring political aims and the comparisons you've attempted to draw between Catholics and Palestinians are defunct, you mean.

Bombings occured in both regions, but that's where the similarities stopped. If Catholics had been bombing Protestants on a daily basis for extending periods of time as happened recently in southern Israel, the rest of the UK simply would not stand for it and they'd have a hell of a lot less patience than Israel have had.

Violence didn't work for the Nationalists, you're right.

Finally. No idea why you're bringing up Bloody Sunday. If Palestinians want to protest peacefully then I'm all for it.

This is a cruel world, the Palestinians have been oppressed for many years.

The Jews have been oppressed for many centuries. People on both sides are being hurt by this, not just the poor aul Palestinians.

Even yesterday the US and Israel objected to them getting a (mediocre) status within the UN. Violence and Peace seem to be equally useless weapons.

Yet you still promulgate the violent 'solution' as a legtimate means to an end. Personally, I'd rather see people fail a thousand times by peaceful means than by one act of violence.

Cavehill Red

Siuin wrote: »

How about engaging in actual debate with this 'Israel apologist' then?

No thanks. Anyone who believes segregation is legitimate in this day and age is not worth lowering myself to speak to.

Siuin

Memnoch wrote: »

What's there to debate?

Those who defend Israel's actions always come back to the same excuse. Whatever they do is justified on the grounds of their security. Whether it's murder, internment, collective punishment of a civillian population or discrimination along racial lines.

The other line of debate is to employ semantics. I doubt the settlers see themselves as arabs. So it is an issue of race. The reason why racism is bad is because it involves discriminating against people based on something they cannot control, their ethnicity, as represented by their skin colour. Discriminating against someone like this on the grounds that there Palestinian is no different. 'Blacks are more likely to commit crimes so they should sit in the back of the bus or better yet in a different bus.' Now replace the word Blacks with palestinians. To you, one is wrong the other isn't. To me, both are equally wrong.

It's not possible to engage in a rational debate with someone who will resort to any trick to justify the dehumanisation of a people.

Once again, I say: how is this an issue of 'race' when the Jews are not a race? If this was a racial issue they would have the buses in all of Israel segregated. The Palestinians still have their bus system and the Israelis have theirs- I have never seen them mixing in all the time I have spent in Israel which included extensive visits to the West Bank.

Higher wrote: »

Nope just continual bombings that caused far more deaths than rocket fire has in Israel.

I fail to see how you can possibly compare what were actually quite sporadic bombings compared to the attacks perpretrated by Palestinians on Israel compared to those in NI. If one is to include the rocket fire AND bombings done by Arab terrorists, it would be a far greater number than that in NI.

The Saint

Siuin wrote: »

The granting of work permits means nothing in terms of the likelihood of an Arab deciding to blow themselves up on a bus someday. The man arrested in connection with the recent bombing of a bus in Tel Aviv was an Arab Israeli originally from the West Bank town of Ramallah who had been given permission to live in Israel- just because they have the permission to cross into Israel doesn't mean they're safe.

So why just segregate the buses in the West Bank and not all of Israel too since Palestinians with permits can also use them? There is no consistency in the application of this which indicates to me that security isn't the primary consideration at play here.

Siuin

Cavehill Red wrote: »

No thanks. Anyone who believes segregation is legitimate in this day and age is not worth lowering myself to speak to.

Oh what a convenient escape one who is unable to justify their prejudices, eh?

The Saint

Siuin wrote: »

The Palestinians still have their bus system and the Israelis have theirs- I have never seen them mixing in all the time I have spent in Israel which included extensive visits to the West Bank.

Palestinian buses only run from Jerusalem to the West Bank and not any Israeli cities. For a Palestinian from a village in Qalqiliya to get to work in Israel he has little choice but to use the Egged settler buses. These are the buses that are the issue.

Siuin

The Saint wrote: »

So why just segregate the buses in the West Bank and not all of Israel too since Palestinians with permits can also use them? There is no consistency in the application of this which indicates to me that security isn't the primary consideration at play here.

Because this isn't a matter of 'race', it's about the fact that the West Bank is a more volatile region than the rest of Israel and there is therefore a greater chance that an Arab will try to blow up a bus of Israeli settlers if given the opportunity than of Israelis living outside the West Bank.

Nodin

"settler only" buses to join with the "settler only" roads....lovely stuff. Doubtless somebody will be on to tell us that Arabs are so cherished, by dint of their specialised dedicated transport and "justice" systems.

Nodin

Siuin wrote: »

Because this isn't a matter of 'race', it's about the fact that the West Bank is a more volatile region than the rest of Israel and there is therefore a greater chance that an Arab will try to blow up a bus of Israeli settlers if given the opportunity than of Israelis living outside the West Bank.

....yep. About that. You don't think that perhaps not having such a thing as "israeli settlers" would help the situation at all?

The Saint

Siuin wrote: »

Because this isn't a matter of 'race', it's about the fact that the West Bank is a more volatile region than the rest of Israel and there is therefore a greater chance that an Arab will try to blow up a bus of Israeli settlers if given the opportunity than of Israelis living outside the West Bank.

The logic is flawed. As far as I recall, there has never been a bombing on a bus in the West Bank. Buses in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem have been targeted repeatedly. Therefore it would make more sense to refuse entry to a bus to a Palestinian within Israel rather than in the West Bank. Also, why the hell would a Palestinian smuggle explosives into the West Bank from Israel to blow up a bus?

Siuin

The Saint wrote: »

Palestinian buses only run from Jerusalem to the West Bank and not any Israeli cities. For a Palestinian from a village in Qalqiliya to get to work in Israel he has little choice but to use the Egged settler buses. These are the buses that are the issue.

The Israeli Transportation Ministry is already saying that they're considering adding bus lines between the West Bank roadblocks and central Israel for such workers.

golden lane

Memnoch wrote: »

What's there to debate?

Those who defend Israel's actions always come back to the same excuse. Whatever they do is justified on the grounds of their security. Whether it's murder, internment, collective punishment of a civillian population or discrimination along racial lines.

The other line of debate is to employ semantics. I doubt the settlers see themselves as arabs. So it is an issue of race. The reason why racism is bad is because it involves discriminating against people based on something they cannot control, their ethnicity, as represented by their skin colour. Discriminating against someone like this on the grounds that there Palestinian is no different. 'Blacks are more likely to commit crimes so they should sit in the back of the bus or better yet in a different bus.' Now replace the word Blacks with palestinians. To you, one is wrong the other isn't. To me, both are equally wrong.

It's not possible to engage in a rational debate with someone who will resort to any trick to justify the dehumanisation of a people.

israel is not an ordinary state (in the sense of those words ) israel isd surrounded by states that would be happy to see them wiped off the face of the earth.......

the sad thing is.....israel itself has caused that problem....and most of the western world...especially the united states will do nothing to change that....

to expect israel to behave, in what we call a normal manner is immature, because it is not a normal situation.....

the whole situation has to change........that will take the efforts of the whole world.......

israel should never have existed in it's present form......but it does.....

Siuin

Nodin wrote: »

....yep. About that. You don't think that perhaps not having such a thing as "israeli settlers" would help the situation at all?

I'm not in favour of the settlements, but I also don't agree with the notion of a Judenrein West Bank. If Arabs are allowed to reside in Israel, it's a pretty ridiculous double standard to say that Jews can't live in the West Bank.

The Saint wrote: »

The logic is flawed. As far as I recall, there has never been a bombing on a bus in the West Bank. Buses in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem have been targeted repeatedly. Therefore it would make more sense to refuse entry to a bus to a Palestinian within Israel rather than in the West Bank. Also, why the hell would a Palestinian smuggle explosives into the West Bank from Israel to blow up a bus?

If there's no worries for security of Jews in the West Bank, then why on earth would they insist on having armoured, bullet proof buses? The reason that Palestinians haven't *successfully* carried out bus attacks in the West Bank yet is because of the simple fact that the vast majority of settlers and Arabs don't use the same buses to begin with. Why do you assume that someone would smuggle explosives from Israel to the West Bank? They could easily use explosives made in the West Bank and board an outward bus.

Nodin

Siuin wrote: »

The Israeli Transportation Ministry is already saying that they're considering adding bus lines between the West Bank roadblocks and central Israel for such workers.

Making sure everyone gets back to their bantustan. Very nice of them.

Siuin

Nodin wrote: »

Making sure everyone gets back to their bantustan. Very nice of them.

Once again racialising an issue which is not about race.

I need to write essays, but will be back to answer any more points raised later.

The Saint

Siuin wrote: »

If there's no worries for security of Jews in the West Bank, then why on earth would they insist on having armoured, bullet proof buses? The reason that Palestinians haven't *successfully* carried out bus attacks in the West Bank yet is because of the simple fact that the vast majority of settlers and Arabs don't use the same buses to begin with. Why do you assume that someone would smuggle explosives from Israel to the West Bank? They could easily use explosives made in the West Bank and board an outward bus.

I never stated that there were no security issues for settlers in the West Bank. That is not the point. The fact is that there has been no attack on an Egged bus in the West Bank perpetrated by a Palestinian on board. So why is this an issue now? While most Israelis and Palestinians use seperate busses in the West Bank, if a Palestinian with a work permit wanted to blow up a bus then they couldn't, but they haven't. This has not been an issue before, I'm not sure why it is now, especially given the current calm security situation in the West Bank.

Also the issue is not just on Palestinians going from the West Bank into Israel, it seems that Palestinians returning home to the West Bank FROM Israel are being chucked off buses.

Police have begun ordering Palestinian laborers with legal work permits off buses from the Tel Aviv area to the West Bank, following complaints from settlers that Palestinians pose a security risk by riding the same buses as them.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/police-order-palestinian-workers-off-buses-to-west-bank-at-request-of-israeli-settlers.premium-1.480741

Again, please explain how a Palestinian traveling from Israel to the West Bank is a security threat.

delthedriver

As I said early on in this Forum, this is a matter of Israel protecting their people.
For too long they have endured the loss of life due to bus bombings, suicide bombers in restaurants, and rockets from Hamas. They are a very tolerant nation, in the same way Britain were tolerant following the London and Brighton bombings etc. The Israelis have been pushed beyond the limit , so in order to protect their people, it would appear that whatever action they take is wrong.
I don't understand why there is always such antiIsraeli feeling, I believe they are right to come out with all guns blazing when provoked in order to protect the innocent lives of the Israeli nation

The Saint

delthedriver wrote: »

As I said early on in this Forum, this is a matter of Israel protecting their people.
For too long they have endured the loss of life due to bus bombings, suicide bombers in restaurants, and rockets from Hamas. They are a very tolerant nation, in the same way Britain were tolerant following the London and Brighton bombings etc. The Israelis have been pushed beyond the limit , so in order to protect their people, it would appear that whatever action they take is wrong.
I don't understand why there is always such antiIsraeli feeling, I believe they are right to come out with all guns blazing when provoked in order to protect the innocent lives of the Israeli nation

How about address the specifics of this situation in relation to the information that I laid out above?