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Palestine recognised by the UN General Assembly

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  • 29-11-2012 11:09pm
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    LoonyLovegood
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    According to the AP, Palestine has been recognised by the UN as a state.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/palestinians-certain-win-recognition-state
    UNITED NATIONS (AP) — The U.N. General Assembly has voted by a more than two-thirds majority to recognize the state of Palestine.

    The resolution upgrading the Palestinians' status to a nonmember observer state at the United Nations was approved by the 193-member world body late Thursday by a vote of 138-9 with 41 abstentions.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    We can guess who at least 2 of the countries that voted against it were


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    woodoo
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    Thats good, if left to Israel and the US they would be left to rot away.


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    laoch na mona
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    finally


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    woodoo wrote: »
    Thats good, if left to Israel and the US they would be left to rot away.

    It will be left to the U.S and Israel and they probably will rot away.

    The U.N isnt worth a ****.


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    dsmythy
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    US and Canada said no. UK abstained, at least they were planning to anyway.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    How will this advance the cause of the palestinian people?


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    Nodin
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    ...suprised at the Canadians.


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    steddyeddy
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    CTYIgirl wrote: »
    According to the AP, Palestine has been recognised by the UN as a state.

    http://bigstory.ap.org/article/palestinians-certain-win-recognition-state

    Brilliant news!


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    seamus
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    How will this advance the cause of the palestinian people?
    Palestine are now free to submit a petition to become a full U.N. member, which would give them voting rights at the UN as well as international recognition as a sovereign and indepedent state.

    It doesn't prevent Israel from doing anything, but recognition as a sovereign state is somewhat crucial if you want to ask for assistance from the international community.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...suprised at the Canadians.


    Why?


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    seamus wrote: »
    Palestine are now free to submit a petition to become a full U.N. member, which would give them voting rights at the UN as well as international recognition as a sovereign and indepedent state.


    What then?


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    Nodin
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    Why?

    normally they've a progressive intelligent FP.


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    kowloon
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    They get a letter to say they're recognised on A4 with the officially approved UN letterhead.


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    Hande hoche!
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    Good to hear.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    Nodin wrote: »
    normally they've a progressive intelligent FP.

    Does one vote at the UN change that?


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    GhostInTheRuins
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    Good. It won't change too much yet, but baby steps. Apart from the americans and israelies, who else voted no?


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    cunnifferous
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    GhostInTheRuins wrote: »
    Good. It won't change too much yet, but baby steps. Apart from the americans and israelies, who else voted no?

    Ragtag bunch of nations. From the obvious, to the 'who the hell are they'

    US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia


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    seamus
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    What then?
    Ground invasions by Israel would quite rightly be considered an act of war and with enough support from other UN states, they could have sanctions placed upon Israel as well as "peacekeeping" military assistance.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    cunnifferous wrote: »
    Ragtag bunch of nations. Half of them I didn't even know were nations

    US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia


    Couldnt you say that about a lot of countries that voted in favour


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    Nodin
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    Does one vote at the UN change that?


    ...it clearly indicates a shift, yes.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    seamus wrote: »
    Ground invasions by Israel would quite rightly be considered an act of war and with enough support from other UN states, they could have sanctions placed upon Israel as well as "peacekeeping" military assistance.


    Why does Palestine need to be a part of the United Nations for ground invasions against it by Israel to be recognised as a war crime?


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    LoonyLovegood
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    Most of the ones who voted no rely heavily on the US for trade and aid.

    Ireland voted yes, which I was moderately surprised about. Although considering the passport debacle with Israel last year, I suppose it was obvious.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    Nodin wrote: »
    ...it clearly indicates a shift, yes.


    What shift?


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    fergiesfolly
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    seamus wrote: »
    Ground invasions by Israel would quite rightly be considered an act of war and with enough support from other UN states, they could have sanctions placed upon Israel as well as "peacekeeping" military assistance.

    Does that also mean that rocket attacks from Palestine could be considered an act of war by a soverign nation and gives Isreal a legal basis for retaliation and ground invasion. Not that needing a legal reason stopped them before.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    fergiesfolly wrote: »
    Does that also mean that rocket attacks from Palestine could be considered an act of war by a soverign nation and gives Isreal a legal basis for retaliation and ground invasion. Not that needing a legal reason stopped them before.


    Then why is any importance being attached to this vote?


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    seamus
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    fergiesfolly wrote: »
    Does that also mean that rocket attacks from Palestine could be considered an act of war by a soverign nation and gives Isreal a legal basis for retaliation and ground invasion. Not that needing a legal reason stopped them before.
    Only rocket attacks by an official Palestinian military. Rocket attacks from a terrorist organisation not backed by the Palestinian government, could not be considered war.


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    galwayrush
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    fergiesfolly wrote: »
    Does that also mean that rocket attacks from Palestine could be considered an act of war by a soverign nation and gives Isreal a legal basis for retaliation and ground invasion. Not that needing a legal reason stopped them before.

    Possibly.
    Edit; Seamus above is correct.


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    Nodin
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    What shift?

    ....its blatantly obvious what shift it signals.

    Now - you answer a question - what would you rather the Palestinians do, instead of getting increased status on the international stage?


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    cunnifferous
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    Wacker The Attacker wrote: »
    Couldnt you say that about a lot of countries that voted in favour

    Yes you could. I guess my point was that outside of the US and Canada (and maybe the czechs) no other nations of note voted against the resolution.


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    cunnifferous
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    Just in case anyone's interested (or too lazy to look it up) here are the 41 abstentions

    Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu


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