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2nd Anniversary of the winter of 2010
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28-11-2012 4:37pm#1
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what are you complaining about Min? Practically the whole Northern Hemisphere at a similar latitude to ours is snow covered and will be for months to come. It's a case of the glass being half empty or half full - someone like you with a farming background who hates heavy snowfall should really be thankful that we get so little snow.
I wouldn't even think of telling you your business but maybe a trip to somewhere like Holland or Denmark (with their big dairy industry) and see how they cope with winter weather.
PS. As a rule in Ireland mild winters tend to be very wet, surely flooding and waterlogged fields can cause just as much disruption?0 -
ahhh the memories! i made this compilation of wintry pics i'd taken over those 4 weeks on stephens day 2010. i'd love another winter like that. except for the loss of water for three weeks... oh and the bins not getting collected for a month... other than that, we're all good
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Good riddance, it was a nightmare for farmers
Probably was a nightmare for elderly folk too but do you know something? I don't hear any of my elderly rural neighbours complaining about it, if anything the weather added to the sense of community spirit with people helping each other out.even with the best efforts, pipes still froze
All my neighbours lost their water supply. Mine didn't freeze. Why? I put in the effort when laying the pipes. The "Ah sure, it'll do" & "sure we'll never get temperatures that cold here, so its deep enough and there's no need to insulate the pipes above ground" attitude in general in Ireland is why this happened.Freezing hands and damp hands sticking to metal., was horrible weather to be working out in.
Gloves? That's what I use to help in those situations! Perhaps not the same ones as you'll buy in the local clothing store or farm inputs outlet, but ones appropriate to the intended use and weather conditions.Good neighbours who did helped with shopping.
That's the community spirit I was mentioning earlier
It was very unpleasant, last winter was much better.
Ach, I dunno. I reckon it beat most recent winters hands down.
:D:D Last winter was dreary with no excitement on the weather front 
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Satellite image of Ireland on this day - and at this very time - 2 years ago. Snow lay over much of the land.
Air temperatures at synoptic stations at 12pm on this day: (Deg.C)
Oak Park: -4.1
Gurteen: -3.4
Casement: -2.4
Claremorris: -1.4
Shannon Apt: -1.2
Knock Apt: -0.9
Dublin Apt: -0.2
Ballyhaise: 0.0
Cork Apt: 0.1
Mullingar: 0.6
Sherkin Island: 1.1
Mace Hd: 1.6
Valentia: 1.7
Finner Camp: 2.1
Roches Pt: 2.3
Belmullet: 2.6
Johnstown Castle: 3.4
Malin Head: 4.2
Interestingly, temperatures are almost, and in some cases, just as cold on the 11am reports 2 years later! Still -1.0c at Mullingar & Mt. Dillon and 0.0c at Ballyhaise and Athenry amongst one or 2 other stations.
http://www.met.ie/latest/reports.asp
Image from MODIS
Data from OGIMET/Met.ie0 -
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I was unable to visit my mother in hospital as I live on a hill and it was impassable.
That's unfortunate and I sympathise with you on the visiting front. I live on a hill too and I just had to do what I had to do to get around. Challenging yes, very challenging, impossible no.but the water trough itself where one could not put in insulation as the cows would pull it off, froze at the coldest times.
A small recirculating pump would help in this regardPipes under 4 plus inches of concrete froze going to another shed.
I would expect that. 4 plus inches of concrete is as good as no insulation at all. The piping should have been buried at a decent depth in the ground UNDER the concrete.Gloves are no good when you are dealing with water, and need your hands and fingers to be flexible and not restrained.
Yes they are.
Look at specialist gloves. Look at diving gloves. All gloves will result in a loss of dexterity, its a matter of finding the right glove for the task in hand and then becoming used to them.
Part of my job involves dexterity and I have to work around this issue when wearing gloves.The dung from the cows was even freezing to the slats.
Sh1t happens! (Sorry, couldn't resist that )It is costly too
Snow costs me money too. For example the clothing that gets used only when it snows (or the weather gets seriously cold), the extra fuel I burn (both home heating and vehicle), the extra time it takes to get anywhere (costs in extra fuel consumed and time in getting to and from jobs). Some of my journeys were extended to in excess of 5 hours getting from point A to point B. Thats over double the normal journey time.Hours wasted everyday in freezing temperatures de-icing, you can't insulate milking equipment, when even indoors it was freezing hard.
Maybe not by applying insulation directly to anything other than pipes, but there are heating tapes ( cables) and infrared heaters that could be employed (rented even...) in the event of such conditions, that will help to prevent such occurances.I had to stop supplying milk as I had no way of getting it delivered
Do you have to bring the milk to a collection point? How far is it? What do you use on a daily basis to do this? Looking back, is there anything you feel you could have done differently to get your milk delivered? e.g. unblocking impassible road due to snow? Using gravel / grit spread on ice etc...
Out of curiosity, how did you end up storing / disposing of all the milk you were unable to deliver given the freezing conditions?0 -
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runawaybishop wrote: »Are you actually arguing that the snow is a bit of a laugh and farmers should shrug it off?
YES.
Seriously, what do you think?
Look, some people like the snow, some don't.
There's nothing wrong with making a few friendly suggestions to problems that others present.
I've been taught to look at difficulties as a challenge to be overcome rather than admitting defeat without even trying.
Snow present serious difficulties to me also, I just smile and try my nest to get on with it. We don't get snow every year and when it does arrive everything is totally different but I can also apreciate both sides of the coin.
So as far as I'm concerned, 6 feet of snow would be very welcome indeed
I enjoyed the changed landscape and in most cases the attitude of people towards each other. People were far more willing to lend a hand to those in trouble during the bad weather in my experience.
I look back on the winter of 2010 with fond memories.0 -
That's unfortunate and I sympathise with you on the visiting front. I live on a hill too and I just had to do what I had to do to get around. Challenging yes, very challenging, impossible no.
A small recirculating pump would help in this regard
I would expect that. 4 plus inches of concrete is as good as no insulation at all. The piping should have been buried at a decent depth in the ground UNDER the concrete.
Yes they are.
Look at specialist gloves. Look at diving gloves. All gloves will result in a loss of dexterity, its a matter of finding the right glove for the task in hand and then becoming used to them.
Part of my job involves dexterity and I have to work around this issue when wearing gloves.
Sh1t happens! (Sorry, couldn't resist that )
Snow costs me money too. For example the clothing that gets used only when it snows (or the weather gets seriously cold), the extra fuel I burn (both home heating and vehicle), the extra time it takes to get anywhere (costs in extra fuel consumed and time in getting to and from jobs). Some of my journeys were extended to in excess of 5 hours getting from point A to point B. Thats over double the normal journey time.
Maybe not by applying insulation directly to anything other than pipes, but there are heating tapes ( cables) and infrared heaters that could be employed (rented even...) in the event of such conditions, that will help to prevent such occurances.
Do you have to bring the milk to a collection point? How far is it? What do you use on a daily basis to do this? Looking back, is there anything you feel you could have done differently to get your milk delivered? e.g. unblocking impassible road due to snow? Using gravel / grit spread on ice etc...
Out of curiosity, how did you end up storing / disposing of all the milk you were unable to deliver given the freezing conditions?
The milk lorry comes to collect, the nearest collection point was on the main road about 5 miles away.
I dried off most of the cows as i knew the snow was coming and the lorry would not be able to get anywhere near, just kept a few milking for the ourselves.
There was nothing I could do. No road is gritted for miles around, there was a slight thaw at one stage, which then froze, so we had a lot of ice too.
The council used snow ploughs back in the 1980s but they don't care now, as they spend all the money on the same main roads in terms of having them clear and gritted.
I got out once in the month, even then there was lots of ice and snow on the roads, just two tyre tracks to drive in.
If the cold and snow comes, it comes and one can complain, but Green Diesel, it is ok for a day or two, then it is just boring.0 -
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141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »Most depressing thread ever :mad:
RIP
Aww, come on A few helpful suggestions, a bit of banter. Guess your glass is always half empty eh:rolleyes:
Well, its a diversion from the normal humdrum of daily life and I enjoyed the challenge.
It was a great winter weatherwise and I think that's what this thread is about. I had good times and hard times during it but I like to try and smile at least most of the time
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FFS someone starts a thread remembering the second anniversary of one of the most severe episodes of weather this country has seen in the past century and one poster gets slated for posting something other than "oooh wasn't it great"! Actual hardship brought upon his livelihood but he's not supposed to mention it? Probably slackers who just called into work saying they couldn't make it but still got payed.
This forum is becoming pathetic when it comes to snow. Grow up people. Grow up.
Think you may have the wrong end of the stick there Su?
Nobody is slating anybody. Its a discussion with different view points.
I, for one fully appreciate the hardship detailed by the poster who put across his experiences and in turn made what were supposed to be helpful comments and my own view point. Don't recall any rules saying we all have to agree.Probably slackers who just called into work saying they couldn't make it but still got payed.
Definately not me. I don't work, I don't get paid. Simple as that. Actually haven't missed a single day or call out during any bad weather period we've had during my working career. In fact I'm almost certain to have to work harder and longer during such conditions both indoors and outdoors.This forum is becoming pathetic when it comes to snow. Grow up people. Grow up.
Aww, its only an exchange of views. I don't think anybody has fallen out during the discussion? Anyhow, let it snow, let it snow, let it snow Fond memories of winter 2010 snow event 0 -
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It was 2 years ago today, Sun 28/11/2010 that we woke to the lovely snow which then lasted almost to Stephens Day 26/12/10 until the thaw set in. Most severe sustained weather i have ever expereinced in Ireland.
I am sure the "snowies" have very fond memories of that 4 week period.
i recall someone putting together a brialliant video to music, then there was the funny clip on the news of the guy walking around a corner doing a brilliant Bambi impression !
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Wrong.
I was in South East Ireland from 26th Nov.
It was Saturday 27th November not 28th when the south east at least woke up to snowfalls. 0 -
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a very cheap and simple solution to the impassable roads problem would be for the government to subsidise the purchase of snow plow and gritter attachments for tractors and 4x4's for farmers and then have a set area that they'd be responsible for and pay them a fee for every mile of road they clear whenever the snow gets bad.
the farmers get to keep all the roads they need clear to do their job and also perform a public service and the government gets all the country roads cleared on the cheap that would otherwise be impassable. everybody wins. 0 -
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Satellite image from this day 2 years ago showing showers moving in over north and east with snow lying over many parts.
From sat24.com
Min temp fell to -10.8c at Mullingar later that evening with -10.4c at Casement.
The 2nd Dec 2010 was the coldest day of 'phase 1' of that late 2010 cold spell but colder was to come in Phase 2 which started in mid-December.
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a very cheap and simple solution to the impassable roads problem would be for the government to subsidise the purchase of snow plow and gritter attachments for tractors and 4x4's for farmers and then have a set area that they'd be responsible for and pay them a fee for every mile of road they clear whenever the snow gets bad.
the farmers get to keep all the roads they need clear to do their job and also perform a public service and the government gets all the country roads cleared on the cheap that would otherwise be impassable. everybody wins.
Problem is that this idea is way too sensible and sound for the government to actually implement it.0 -
a very cheap and simple solution to the impassable roads problem would be for the government to subsidise the purchase of snow plow and gritter attachments for tractors and 4x4's for farmers and then have a set area that they'd be responsible for and pay them a fee for every mile of road they clear whenever the snow gets bad.
the farmers get to keep all the roads they need clear to do their job and also perform a public service and the government gets all the country roads cleared on the cheap that would otherwise be impassable. everybody wins.
Who supplies the farmers the grit and where do they store it? Do they have to import grit every year and does grit lose its thawing effect over time? Some years we get no snow whatsoever, like 2011. I'm just wondering does grit go off after a few months/years?0 -
Deep Easterly wrote: »Satellite image from this day 2 years ago showing showers moving in over north and east with snow lying over many parts.
From sat24.com
Min temp fell to -10.8c at Mullingar later that evening with -10.4c at Casement.
The 2nd Dec 2010 was the coldest day of 'phase 1' of that late 2010 cold spell but colder was to come in Phase 2 which started in mid-December.
Look at the way the Isle of Man prevents the cold wind from picking up moisture on the warm Irish sea; there's a clear path from the island to the east coast of Ireland.
Thankfully that didn't stop a lovely 11 inches of snow from falling where I live that epic Winter; though, I'm pretty sure it has sure it has ruined a few potential snowdays which I was a kid. I say we dig it up and use the soil to make the Wicklow Mountains higher so we can have a ski resort!0 -
a very cheap and simple solution to the impassable roads problem would be for the government to subsidise the purchase of snow plow and gritter attachments for tractors and 4x4's for farmers and then have a set area that they'd be responsible for and pay them a fee for every mile of road they clear whenever the snow gets bad.
the farmers get to keep all the roads they need clear to do their job and also perform a public service and the government gets all the country roads cleared on the cheap that would otherwise be impassable. everybody wins.
This is neither cheap nor simple really.0 -
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I think the half-life of grit is probably measured in millions of yearsWho supplies the farmers the grit and where do they store it? Do they have to import grit every year and does grit lose its thawing effect over time? Some years we get no snow whatsoever, like 2011. I'm just wondering does grit go off after a few months/years? 0 -
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