What's Your World View?

K3lso

Let's see what the make-up of After Hours is...

Economically Conservative - Small Government, Little to No Taxes.

Economically Liberal - Large Government, Moderate to Massive Taxes.

Socially Conservative - What is the Churches position on it....

Socially Liberal - Gay Marriage, Abortion, Legal Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling.

chrissb7

I'll have what she's having.

SafeSurfer

Small government, as little interference in people's lives as possible. If people want to have an abortion, use drugs or visit prostitutes why should people who personally don't want to do these things stop them.

franktheplank

Where's the live your life by the Jedi code option? Friggin outrageous :mad:

franktheplank

PS Also i think Economically Liberal and Conservative are pretty much the same thing, you've made a boo-boo.

dr.bollocko

franktheplank wrote: »

Where's the live your life by the Jedi code option? Friggin outrageous :mad:

The jedi were socially liberal dude. That wookie lived on Endor. They didn't give a crap.

franktheplank

dr.bollocko wrote: »

The jedi were socially liberal dude. That wookie lived on Endor. They didn't give a crap.

Is being guided by the force socially liberal, i'd argue not.

It's not about the free will of the individual as following a predetermined destiny? It's more akin to religiously conservative?

Praetorian Saighdiuir

First person

Senna

Abortions for some, Miniature flags for others.

coonecb1

I'm economically liberal, socially somewhere in the middle

Real Life

Im definitely socially liberal but economically im not really sure. i think im slightly on the left side but i dont know enough about economic matters to say thats definitely what i am.

franktheplank

franktheplank wrote: »

Is being guided by the force socially liberal, i'd argue not.

It's not about the free will of the individual as following a predetermined destiny? It's more akin to religiously conservative?

I mean, lets say some alien chick wants an abortion and the force is guiding you to stop her?

franktheplank

AAARGH this thread is driving me nuts, it's wrong! Economically conservative and liberal are the same friggin thing.

They both favor small government and low taxes. FFS!

dr.bollocko

franktheplank wrote: »

Is being guided by the force socially liberal, i'd argue not.

It's not about the free will of the individual as following a predetermined destiny? It's more akin to religiously conservative?

There is no emotion, there is peace.
There is no ignorance, there is knowledge.
There is no passion, there is serenity.
There is no death, there is the Force.

A jedi is forbidden to love. But his orientation is not judged by the church of the Jedi.

There's actually arguments on jedi websites as to whether or not they are pro-abortion. Bloody hilarious stuff.

Real Life

franktheplank your clogging up the thread and quoting yourself. please go.

franktheplank

franktheplank wrote: »

AAARGH this thread is driving me nuts, it's wrong! Economically conservative and liberal are the same friggin thing.

They both favor small government and low taxes. FFS!

Ok Frank put down the sharpened spoon and step away from the internet.

Spiritual

Where's my preferred option of Dictatorship?

coonecb1

Real Life wrote: »

Im definitely socially liberal but economically im not really sure. i think im slightly on the left side but i dont know enough about economic matters to say thats definitely what i am.

If you believe government has a role to play in making the economy work better, then you're economically liberal.

If you believe in low taxes and low regulation then you're economically conservative

franktheplank

Real Life wrote: »

franktheplank your clogging up the thread and quoting yourself. please go.

Nee Naw Nee Naw Nee Naw

Thread police, step away from the ve-hee-kel and put down the spoon.

Fine so, keep yer friggin stupid thread but feel free to pm me when ye get to page 57 and finally realize there the same flippin thing! :eek:

Real Life

franktheplank wrote: »

Nee Naw Nee Naw Nee Naw

Thread police, step away from the ve-hee-kel and put down the spoon.

Fine so, keep yer friggin stupid thread but feel free to pm me when ye get to page 57 and finally realize there the same flippin thing! :eek:

i was just joking frank, do whatever you want i dont care

Uriel.

franktheplank wrote: »

Nee Naw Nee Naw Nee Naw

Thread police, step away from the ve-hee-kel and put down the spoon.

Fine so, keep yer friggin stupid thread but feel free to pm me when ye get to page 57 and finally realize there the same flippin thing! :eek:

I think you are taking it to heart way too much though.

Yolonda be cool

Chuck Stone

Such neat packages.

Can I have mine with a blue ribbon?

K3lso

franktheplank wrote: »

AAARGH this thread is driving me nuts, it's wrong! Economically conservative and liberal are the same friggin thing.

They both favor small government and low taxes. FFS!

They're not the same.

Economically conservative would equate government not interfering in economic matters by little to zero regulation etc. An economic liberal would be in favour of more taxes and more spending i.e - bigger government.

franktheplank

K3lso wrote: »

They're not the same.

Economically conservative would equate government not interfering in economic matters by little to zero regulation etc. An economic liberal would be in favour of more taxes and more spending i.e - bigger government.

Trust me thats not an economic liberal. Economically liberal generally means you don't want the government interfering in the market. While there are different schools of economic liberalism the freedom of the market from government interference is a guiding principal.

It generally follows you'll also want small government in other areas so as not to interfere with free market mechanisms. When you hear liberal think freedom. Socially liberal, freedom of the individual. Economically liberal freedom of the market ie small government, low taxes.

PC CDROM

**** every one. TBH.

InTheTrees

I was thinking of becoming an anarchist.

I cant really afford the outfits though.

K3lso

franktheplank wrote: »

Trust me thats not an economic liberal. Economically liberal generally means you don't want the government interfering in the market. While there are different schools of economic liberalism the freedom of the market from government interference is a guiding principal.

It generally follows you'll also want small government in other areas so as not to interfere with free market mechanisms. When you hear liberal think freedom. Socially liberal, freedom of the individual. Economically liberal freedom of the market ie small government, low taxes.

You're thinking of classic liberalism. The term has been hijacked during the last century though, just look at liberals the world over now...i.e - the Democrats in America are no more about "freedom" than the man in the moon. It's a long way away from the Carl Mengers and Bastiats of this world...those days are long gone. There may be some confusion about the term "liberal" in a historical sense, but the poll is absolutely correct using the word in a modern sense.

franktheplank

K3lso wrote: »

You're thinking of classic liberalism. The term has been hijacked during the last century though, just look at liberals the world over now...i.e - the Democrats in America are no more about "freedom" than the man in the moon. It's a long way away from the Carl Mengers and Bastiats of this world...those days are long gone. There may be some confusion about the term "liberal" in a historical sense, but the poll is absolutely correct using the word in a modern sense.

Nah it isnae

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

suicide_circus

Libertarian with mixture of liberal and conservative tendencies.

Geo10

K3lso wrote: »

Socially Liberal - Gay Marriage, Abortion, Legal Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling.

This way you describe social liberalism isn't very good- There are people, like myself, who support things like gay marriage and abortion (because I'm pro-equality and pro-feminism) but that doesn't mean I want the legalisation of certain drugs at all

Lenin Skynard

Are these definitions that the Op wrote in the first post correct? I was under the impression that economically conservative was in favour of large government and economically liberal was in favour of free markets

Wolf Club

I'm no expert but I always would've thought a good example of an economically liberal but socially conservative would be the likes of Rupert Murdoch, no? As in, very strong opinions on what liberties a person shouldn't be allowed (anti-drugs, abortion, gay marriage, etc.) but liberal in what a person can do in an economic market (create a monopoly without having any sort of government regulation stand in their way). That's why I'd consider myself to be leaning towards economically conservative/socially liberal.

philologos

None of these really are my 'worldview'. If anything Christianity is. Neither conservative or liberal.

kowloon

dr.bollocko wrote: »

The jedi were socially liberal dude. That wookie lived on Endor. They didn't give a crap.

That does not make sense.

bluecode

All of the above depending on how I feel on the day.

Just like everyone else except the loonies in this world.

K3lso

bluecode wrote: »

All of the above depending on how I feel on the day.

Just like everyone else except the loonies in this world.

How would you define "loonies"?

minidazzler

Economically Centered, Socially Libertarian.

Govt's should exist to provide education and basic healthcare, Cops, Courts, and a small Defence Force.

But I should be allowed to anything at all I want with my own body as long as it doesn't interfere with another persons liberty.

Pottler

You can turn somersaults naked on your lawn as long as you don't involve me. Is that "Socially liberal?"

K3lso

minidazzler wrote: »

Economically Centered, Socially Libertarian.

Govt's should exist to provide education and basic healthcare, Cops, Courts, and a small Defence Force.

But I should be allowed to anything at all I want with my own body as long as it doesn't interfere with another persons liberty.

You're going to have a bit of a problem there...

You want the government to leave people alone but what happens when a person OD's on something or comes into some difficulty? They are going to hospital at the taxpayers expense, of course. You can't give people the freedom to potentially harm themselves if society is going to have to pick up the tab...

Freedom goes hand in hand....you can consume anything you want, provided you pay your own stomach pumping bills.

strobe

K3lso wrote: »

You're going to have a bit of a problem there...
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You can't give people the freedom to potentially harm themselves if society is going to have to pick up the tab...

No bicycle cycling, car driving, horse riding, skiing, contact sport, using power tools or orchestrating local over 70's sex swing olympics events so?

You/us/them/we already give people the freedom to potentially harm themselves if society is going to have to pick up the tab. Most (actually... all?) states already function under that system.

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I really can't vote on the pole. I'd rather not recognise the weird and pointless modern Americanisation of the words 'conservative' and 'liberal'... which would make me a conservative as far as the meaning of those words is concerned... I guess. Wait... wait... I think I've confused myself... are those my feet?

Chuck Stone

K3lso wrote: »

You can't give people the freedom to potentially harm themselves if society is going to have to pick up the tab...

People already do harm themselves - freedom to or otherwise.

Pilotdude5

I dunno. I used to study politics and became disillusioned.

I like cats.

Actually I'l go with Mccarthyism......Better dead than Red!!!!

Capt'n Midnight

Where is the option to claw back some of the wealth transfer over the last 20 years to the top 1% of the 1% ?

Pride Fighter

K3lso wrote: »

Let's see what the make-up of After Hours is...

Economically Conservative - Small Government, Little to No Taxes.

Economically Liberal - Large Government, Moderate to Massive Taxes.

Socially Conservative - What is the Churches position on it....

Socially Liberal - Gay Marriage, Abortion, Legal Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling.

You have your economic terms wrong their. Economic liberals favour low taxes and free trade.

starviewadams

The one with abortions and legal drugs and George Bush and The Pope burning side by side on a stake.

nocoverart

My world view is.....................

minidazzler

K3lso wrote: »

You're going to have a bit of a problem there...

You want the government to leave people alone but what happens when a person OD's on something or comes into some difficulty? They are going to hospital at the taxpayers expense, of course. You can't give people the freedom to potentially harm themselves if society is going to have to pick up the tab...

Freedom goes hand in hand....you can consume anything you want, provided you pay your own stomach pumping bills.

Did you see the bit about Basic Healthcare? If people don't pay their own healthcare, except in the cases of disabled people and such, then the state healthcare system will patch you up and send you on your way.

I haven't thought through every single facet, but logically if someone is doing harm to their body, taking heroin etc then they made that choice themselves. It would be legal to do so, but they can't expect state help.

If they are caught stealing they are jailed. Simple as, they are doing something that has a negative effect on another person you get jailed.

Oh and while I say I am socially liberal, I do approve of the Death Penalty in cases where it is First Degree murder and such. Infringing on anothers right to freedom and well being would be a crime.

K3lso

Judging by the poll, there seems to be a lot of Libertarians in Ireland. It's a pity the government doesn't reflect that...

c_man

philologos wrote: »

None of these really are my 'worldview'. If anything Christianity is. Neither conservative or liberal.

What's God's opinion on the property tax?

strobe

c_man wrote: »

What's God's opinion on the property tax?

Render unto Caesar..?

Death and Taxes

K3lso wrote: »

Let's see what the make-up of After Hours is...

Economically Conservative - Small Government, Little to No Taxes.

Economically Liberal - Large Government, Moderate to Massive Taxes.

Socially Conservative - What is the Churches position on it....

Socially Liberal - Gay Marriage, Abortion, Legal Drugs, Prostitution, Gambling.

A little research needed there old son.
Economic Liberals believe very strongly in small government and low taxes, not as you describe it.
Large Government and moderate to massive taxes is a more common trait of Social Democratic Economics.
Consequently the thread fails imo.