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George Lee's Tax Return - RTE 1 @ 9:35 - 26/11/12

  • 26-11-2012 9:39pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭


    The man that was given the chance to do something about the taxes we pay is now back on the airways talking about it instead.

    Looks interesting nonetheless.

    I never knew our government were raking in €38k per minute in taxes. :eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    George Lee returns to our TV screens tonight after a period in exile. Anyone watching this?

    Tax - You pay it on virtually everything you earn. You pay it on almost everything you do. And after the Budget you'll likely be paying even more of it. But how would you feel if you knew exactly how your various taxes were spent? As the Dáil debates a Tax Transparency Bill which aims to give Irish taxpayers an annual account of how their taxes are spent, George Lee meets Irish families wondering where their tax money goes and what they get in return.

    http://www.rte.ie/tv/programmes/georgeleestaxreturn.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Yep, family on now pissing and moaning about not having enough money. Probably should have considered that before having 2 kids in the last 2 years.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    Geprge Lee returns to our TV screens tonight after a period of exile. Anyone watching this?


    Yep, me. Here :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Lapin wrote: »
    Yep, me. Here :)
    Sorry hun :( I'll ask the Mods to lock mine :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    MrsD007 wrote: »
    Sorry hun :( I'll ask the Mods to lock mine :)

    No need. Can't they just keep this one going or merge them ?


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Depression TV


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Lapin wrote: »
    No need. Can't they just keep this one going or merge them ?
    I've asked them to merge the two :)

    Jill Kirby drives me bonkers :mad:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Guy on just there talking about how poor his financial position is on his part-time dole payment.

    Then the camera pans out as he leaves his mansion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,697 ✭✭✭Lisha


    I really am scared of the budget, we are both working but there is nothing left over . Apart from a modest mortgage and a car loan we have no debts are still juggling bills to cover them. I know we are luckier than most but it s just such a struggle not to fall into debt and our life style Is modest no holidays no out and feic all on clothes
    I seriously font know how some cope


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 378 ✭✭I_smell_fear


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Guy on just there talking about how poor his financial position is on his part-time dole payment.

    Then the camera pans out as he leaves his mansion.

    I see that they didn't show him driving his Rolls Royce either. Quite suspicious, indeed!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Guy on just there talking about how poor his financial position is on his part-time dole payment.

    Then the camera pans out as he leaves his mansion.
    I think you're being unfair, even if he wanted to sell it who would buy it?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 32,865 ✭✭✭✭MagicMarker


    Lisha wrote: »
    I really am scared of the budget, we are both working but there is nothing left over . Apart from a modest mortgage and a car loan we have no debts are still juggling bills to cover them. I know we are luckier than most but it s just such a struggle not to fall into debt
    Sell the car and buy a banger, or get the bus.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Sell the car and buy a banger, or get the bus.

    And say if you have to drive for 1.5 hrs each way to work and the earliest bus wouldn't get there til 11am.
    Not a real world answer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Sell the car and buy a banger, or get the bus.
    I can't speak for Lisha but I can tell you that in Co. Clare our bus service is p1ss poor and you couldn't rely on it to get to work.


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    MrsD007 wrote: »
    I think you're being unfair, even if he wanted to sell it who would buy it?

    The point being that the size of the dole payment is irrelevant when you owe the price of a mansion. Does he expect some sort of mansion-solidarity payment along with his dole?



    "I don't know what they spend the tax on."

    *goes to post office*

    "This? Sure this money came from the money tree down the post office."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    I find the Home Help cuts so depressing, it is going to cost the State substantially more if these people end up in Nursing Homes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,697 ✭✭✭Lisha


    Sell the car and buy a banger, or get the bus.
    Ha a bus where I m living they don't exist lol
    It's a 4 yr old car any thing older would be a killer on repairs and higher tax I drive 35miles each way to work so car is necessity not a luxury


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭nc6000


    How much of our tax money was wasted on the by-election George won?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    nc6000 wrote: »
    How much of our tax money was wasted on the by-election George won?
    He let down the people who voted for him, he should have tried harder to make things work.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    I always get annoyed by people who boast about never having stood in a dole queue or taking a penny from the state.

    It gives the impression that they think they deserve preferential treatment.

    The don't. This is not a two tier state and the vast majority of those on welfare don't want to be there either, despite getting back what they themselves paid into the system during their working days.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,697 ✭✭✭Lisha


    The cuts to home help are an assault on the most vulnerable
    The cuts affecting mentally handicapped and autism SNA s are just disgusting
    The figures for pupil teacher ratio s in the next few yrs are depressing factor in loss to SNA s our education system is in serious trouble


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Lisha wrote: »
    The cuts to home help are an assault on the most vulnerable
    The cuts affecting mentally handicapped and autism SNA s are just disgusting
    The figures for pupil teacher ratio s in the next few yrs are depressing factor in loss to SNA s our education system is in serious trouble
    In the last year or so the Department of Social Welfare have been stopping disability payments to some children with Autism/ Downs Syndrome as the department feel that they are not disabled enough and that these children do not require any additional care than another child of the same age :rolleyes:

    We live in very disturbing times :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    George Lee is so eloquent on economic matters - I wonder if he would ever consider running for the Dáil? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    Why doesn't she get tenants or a lodger instead of a second job? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 459 ✭✭Paranoid Mandroid


    She's not doing that bad. A salary of 29 - 31k and a mortgage of €650 a month. Not the best example of a person struggling really.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    This woman pays 600 per month in a mortgage and can't afford it with one civil service job working in the department of social services? What is she possibly spending the rest of her money on? She pays something like 40 euro a week in tax, and wonders "how much of that is going to pay off the IMF."

    I wouldn't trust her to mind a pet, let alone sorting through social protection documents.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Lapin


    Why don't self employed workers get the dole if their business goes belly up ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭InReality


    Its very easy to see where money is going , I don't know why george says its such a mystery. Whats more a mystery is how much money people have stashed away and how for example small shopkeepers can stay open if they are losing money ?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Lapin wrote: »
    Why don't self employed workers get the dole if their business goes belly up ?

    A question I asked every day. I pay the same taxes as PAYE, but get ZERO back on it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    This is all over the place. it has gone from 'everyone's paying too much tax' to briefly stopping at public sector v private sector, then a bit about self employed in about 10 minutes.

    Needs more structure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Jayob10


    She's not doing that bad. A salary of 29 - 31k and a mortgage of €650 a month. Not the best example of a person struggling really.

    thats actually pretty mad!

    What is she doing with the rest of her money??

    These shows never give you the full picture. Rather than whinging and complaining about the need for a second job she should cut out the luxuries, the sky plus, the gym membership, the nights out etc.......

    29k a year with a mortgage of 650 per month, thats just a crazy example of someone "struggling".


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    This woman pays 600 per month in a mortgage and can't afford it with one civil service job working in the department of social services? What is she possibly spending the rest of her money on? She pays something like 40 euro a week in tax, and wonders "how much of that is going to pay off the IMF."

    I wouldn't trust her to mind a pet, let alone sorting through social protection documents.


    40???? She pays 7k a year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    She should cut out renting at Xtravision for a start.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,813 ✭✭✭themadchef


    George appears to look so happy when he's telling them how much of their money is going to pay the banks.

    Like a parody of himself at times. I think ive watched too many sketches with him in it :(


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    thats actually pretty mad!

    What is she doing with the rest of her money??

    These shows never give you the full picture. Rather than whinging and complaining about the need for a second job she should could out the luxuries, the sky plus, the gym membership, the nights out etc.......

    29k a year with a mortgage of 650 per month, thats just a crazy example of someone "struggling".

    I am presuming she is paying electricity, heating, house insurance, tv license, sky, car insurance, car tax, car fuel, car running costs.
    Health cover? Bin charges, water/waste/sewage charges.
    Then food.

    Start adding up your costs and see what it comes to, it might actually surprise you.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Yep, family on now pissing and moaning about not having enough money. Probably should have considered that before having 2 kids in the last 2 years.
    A great ad for contraception.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,907 ✭✭✭✭Kristopherus


    Lapin wrote: »
    Why don't self employed workers get the dole if their business goes belly up ?

    Because most of them pay only Class S contributions. They could always form a ltd co. and become an employee the same as their staff and pay Class A PRSI. Then they would get welfare.


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    Jayob10 wrote: »
    thats actually pretty mad!

    What is she doing with the rest of her money??

    These shows never give you the full picture. Rather than whinging and complaining about the need for a second job she should could out the luxuries, the sky plus, the gym membership, the nights out etc.......

    29k a year with a mortgage of 650 per month, thats just a crazy example of someone "struggling".

    I doubt she's in a gym, unless it's a gym for practicing phrases like "During the Celtic Tiger, civil servants were on a very modest wage..."

    She pays 800 euro in tax a year ffs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,688 ✭✭✭Heroditas


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    This woman pays 600 per month in a mortgage and can't afford it with one civil service job working in the department of social services? What is she possibly spending the rest of her money on? She pays something like 40 euro a week in tax, and wonders "how much of that is going to pay off the IMF."

    I wouldn't trust her to mind a pet, let alone sorting through social protection documents.

    And without a hint of irony, she wonders where all the tax money goes.
    To pay her bloody wages!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    yop wrote: »
    I am presuming she is paying electricity, heating, house insurance, tv license, sky, car insurance, car tax, car fuel, car running costs.
    Health cover? Bin charges, water/waste/sewage charges.
    Then food.

    Start adding up your costs and see what it comes to, it might actually surprise you.
    She probably has a car loan as well.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,873 ✭✭✭Skid


    The elephant in the room about Mortgages is Interest Rates. They are only going to go up in the Medium Term :(


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    yop wrote: »
    I am presuming she is paying electricity, heating, house insurance, tv license, sky, car insurance, car tax, car fuel, car running costs.
    Health cover? Bin charges, water/waste/sewage charges.
    Then food.

    Start adding up your costs and see what it comes to, it might actually surprise you.


    So what you're saying is: she pays roughly 1k per month, almost twice the cost of her mortgage, in necessary utilities?

    Give us a break.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭StillWaters


    A 2,000 mortgage, did I hear right? For a bog standard house.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭InReality


    Property tax is a no brainer in other countries. maybe give recent stamp duty a break , but apart from that it has to come in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,970 ✭✭✭Lenin Skynard


    It really is all over the place. Every sector of society complaining and blaming each other and George doesn't present a common string to tie the whole thing together. It needs graphics and diagrams and all that malarky, it just looks like a portrait of Irish society cannabalising itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,787 ✭✭✭Jayob10


    yop wrote: »
    I am presuming she is paying electricity, heating, house insurance, tv license, sky, car insurance, car tax, car fuel, car running costs.
    Health cover? Bin charges, water/waste/sewage charges.
    Then food.

    Start adding up your costs and see what it comes to, it might actually surprise you.

    I am presuming civil servants have a company health policy as benefit in kind.

    There are alot of people on the breadline and really struggling, its taking the p*ss to say this woman falls into that category.

    Going by the figures, she has 22k after tax (which i'd question for a start) Minus her monthly mortgage she would have just below €1200 per month for her utilities.

    Taking all the average utilities into account she should still have just above €200 per week disposable income. Which is not dire straits in fairness.

    Seems as though its a real nuisance for some Irish folk (on good wages) to trim the fat and be more economical with their finances.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    So what you're saying is: she pays roughly 1k per month, almost twice the cost of her mortgage, in necessary utilities?

    Give us a break.

    Well I can't read her mind, can you?

    So with your mortgage and your utility bills and living expenses including house/car tax/insurance etc, are you saying that you aren't paying 500, 600, 700 a month?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,374 ✭✭✭InReality


    It really is all over the place. Every sector of society complaining and blaming each other and George doesn't present a common string to tie the whole thing together. It needs graphics and diagrams and all that malarky, it just looks like a portrait of Irish society cannabalising itself.

    Its a terrible program really. No clarity about anything !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,585 ✭✭✭✭Lady Chatterton


    InReality wrote: »
    Property tax is a no brainer in other countries. maybe give recent stamp duty a break , but apart from that it has to come in.
    I would have no objection to paying a property tax if I received proper services in return. It is a bit much to have to pay over €700 for a fire brigade call out if you are paying property tax.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators, Regional West Moderators Posts: 16,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭yop


    Jayob10 wrote: »
    I am presuming civil servants have a company health policy as benefit in kind.

    There are alot of people on the breadline and really struggling, its taking the p*ss to say this woman falls into that category.

    Seems as though its a real nuisance for some Irish folk (on good wages) to trim the fat and be more economical with their finances.

    I don't really expect you to answer this, but do you have a mortgage and car?


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