Full F1 season back on BBC - 2013??

vectra

Am I hearing correctly?? :eek:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk7C4SPeOp8

Alun

Well, they had the whole season this year, just not all of it live

thewheel2.0

vectra wrote: »

Am I hearing correctly?? :eek:

Sigh, jake made the build up and analysis watchable, he will be missed. JB nailed him on the F1 forum

recyclebin

Does anyone have the viewership figures for last year and this year with a breakdown between Sky and BBC for this year?

It would be interesting to see how successful Sky have been?

I watched the BBC over Sky whenever they showed the live races.

afatbollix

Who does the Moto GP for the BBC? I can see this as there promotion.

h3000

afatbollix wrote: »

Who does the Moto GP for the BBC? I can see this as there promotion.

Matt Roberts. I can't see him moving from motogp though

Rascasse

I'd have to imagine Lee MacKenzie will get it. Maybe Will Buxton to get her pit lane job as he's out of a job (unless NBC take him on).

Myrddin

Rascasse wrote: »

I'd have to imagine Lee MacKenzie will get it. Maybe Will Buxton to get her pit lane job as he's out of a job (unless NBC take him on).

I'd be very surprised if she got it, remember last season when Jake was ill or something & Lee took over coverage? She was a nervous wreck, & it came across too. She's ok at what she does, but I agree, her segments are largely formulaic & flat.

Rascasse

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Wouldn't watch it if she got the job full time. I find her irritating and never seems to say anything useful. Pretty much all she ever asks is "So driver "X" you must be disappointed to end the race like that".

I agree completely. The role requires a presenter and not a reporter, but knowing the BBC they may not want to pass over the 'next in line' as it were (and especially a woman). Then again he did fly back from Ukraine where he was presenting the Euro's to present the GP the next day when McKenzie was meant to be presenting, maybe they think she isn't up to it.

A quick google suggests that Mark Pougatch may also be in the frame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwkpunRydy4

ottostreet

Bbc have lost too much of what made them excellent I think. I'll be getting sky in for next year I think.

Myrddin

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I cant stand the Sky coverage its far too flashy and it reminds me of really crappy Nascar coverage. Far too many people standing around a giant touch-screen talking non-sense.

Indeed, I've always watched the BBC coverage over Sky where possible. Though now with Jake gone, depending on who replaces him, Sky might be the only real alternative.

Nobody even mention Setanta, a five year old kid could do better editing jobs than they do. Taking ad breaks during active Quali sessions & not the interlude etc. Its a horrendous way to watch F1.

Myrddin

LIGHTNING wrote: »

The worst part of the Setanta is the giant Alliance banner advert that takes up a large portion of the screen. I tell you who I do like a bit more now is Gary Anderson. I respected his knowledge before but he doesn't annoy me now.

DC on the other hand really grinds me gears now. I used to find him boring but OK. Its was only when somebody said take a note of how many times he bashes Schumacher during a race I realised how much of a chip he has on his shoulder.

Agreed, Anderson has been quite listenable & can add a lot in terms of understanding.

As for Coulthard, he's like an unsuccessful Jackie Stewart. Bitter, condescending, pompus, arrogant, snidey, & jealous. One of the positives about Schumacher retiring is that there'll be much less of Coulthard laughing at his own jokes about Schumacher. Get over it David! And dump those white jeans while your at it

ottostreet

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I cant stand the Sky coverage its far too flashy and it reminds me of really crappy Nascar coverage. Far too many people standing around a giant touch-screen talking non-sense.

It was worse at the start of the year. One thing I noticed yesterday wa that sky were far too impersonal and distant from the celebrations yesterday. They only seemed to have te standard press pen interviews and not much of the informal heart of the action stuff. Bbc are better in that regard, but there isn't much point to being a little better for only half the races!

I'd love to have kept bbc coverage from 2010-2011 forever, but it isn't possible, and sky are here to stay.

Robbo

I hope the Beeb pick up that nice James Allen to anchor their coverage. I think he'd do a splendid job.

Rascasse

What about Steve Ryder? A bit older and can be a bit wooden but knows the sport and is a seasoned presenter. I know he does bits for sky now but I'm sure the BBC could get him back.

Otherwise, that Pougatch fella doesn't seem too bad, even if his name is a bit odd. Maybe he could change it to something a little more hip like Mr Slotover did.

ItsChecoTime

Guys I think you must of missed the bit where it revealed Bernie was going to be the new presenter...

SnowDrifts

DC just tweeted...

David Coulthard ‏@therealdcf1
"Goodbye team, it's been fun @mrjakehumphrey and Blarney Stone kisser. pic.twitter.com/q5sCMhOL"

I presume that means he is leaving too..?

Rascasse

SnowDrifts wrote: »

DC just tweeted...

David Coulthard ‏@therealdcf1
"Goodbye team, it's been fun @mrjakehumphrey and Blarney Stone kisser. pic.twitter.com/q5sCMhOL"

I presume that means he is leaving too..?

Or that EJ got the chop!

Might be nothing, just poorly phrased.

SnowDrifts

Rascasse wrote: »

Or that EJ got the chop!

Might be nothing, just poorly phrased.

Yeah that is true... it was just the "and" that makes me wonder.

Myrddin

I know many will disagree, but if EJ is gone then thats it for the BBC for me. I love EJ, he can be wrong, he can be right, he can go on & on for sure...but the man cuts through the sh1t and talks from his heart. I think he's brilliant. He would definitely break the sterility of the Sky team if they got him though!

losthorizon

LIGHTNING wrote: »

The worst part of the Setanta is the giant Alliance banner advert that takes up a large portion of the screen. I tell you who I do like a bit more now is Gary Anderson. I respected his knowledge before but he doesn't annoy me now.

DC on the other hand really grinds me gears now. I used to find him boring but OK. Its was only when somebody said take a note of how many times he bashes Schumacher during a race I realised how much of a chip he has on his shoulder.

And I thought I was the only one noticing the Schumacher thing. I know a lot of drivers tend to be childish but Coulthard took it to a new level. When it came to a certain German driver the bile, anger and hatred just came flying out.

Ghost Train

Would be a shame if BBC lost eddie or DC. Having a former redbull and McLaren driver has probably helped the BBC get a bit more access to those teams. And Eddie does have that experience of being a team owner and is a part of the f1 furniture. Hopefully they can can up with a team that's as interesting as the present one, even if they have to change the format to make it work

Myrddin

losthorizon wrote: »

And I thought I was the only one noticing the Schumacher thing

Seriously? It's been going on the past three seasons, does my bloody head in. Any dig he can get in he takes, its embarrassing actually, even more so than his Vice City getup

SnowDrifts

Couldn't agree more EnterNow.. it would be a real shame to lose EJ for all the reasons you mention above but also, how many exclusives has he broken? Schumacher's return to F1, Hamilton's move to Mercedes, the probable move of Senna to Caterham... etc. He has a lot of contacts and inside knowledge in the sport.

Rascasse

Some speculation by twitter.com/f1broadcasting that DC to Sky. Maybe Crofty to darts (he did that at the BBC too).

All speculation but the guy has enough of an interest to blog about it.

Myrddin

Rascasse wrote: »

Some speculation by twitter.com/f1broadcasting that DC to Sky. Maybe Crofty to darts (he did that at the BBC too).

All speculation but the guy has enough of an interest to blog about it.

Crofty gone & DC back in?? Jesus christ...

Beekay

Sky commentary team is great. Pre-race and post-race is pretty bad. Simon is horrible, takes ages to get a question out and seems very fake.
They also have way too many drivers saying the same thing. We don't need so many with Brundle,Hill, Herbert, McNish and Davidson. They need a different angle.

losthorizon

Much stronger role for John Watson on the Beeb? Ben Edwards and himself were a great team on eurosports F1 coverage.

tunguska

Thought it was game over for the bbc when they lost Brundell but I thought they managed to pull it out of the bag with humphreys, coultard and EJ, great dynamic between the 3 of them all year. But I dont know how things will go now that humphreys is doing a legger.
I reckon they should try and convince kimi raikkonen to abandon racing and take up presenting. Ratings juggernaut.

paddy147

afatbollix wrote: »

Who does the Moto GP for the BBC? I can see this as there promotion.

Suzy Perry did it before Matt Roberts.

She wasnt half bad looking...in her day,especially doing the live grid walk in those skimpy tops and tight jeans.:pac::D


She also likes her motorsport too.

flazio

Back to the point of the OP, you'll notice that the wording is 'on the BBC' which means a combination of radio, online and television. So pretty much the same as this year.

lolie

paddy147 wrote: »

Suzy Perry did it before Matt Roberts.

She wasnt half bad looking...in her day,especially doing the live grid walk in those skimpy tops and tight jeans.:pac::D


She also likes her motorsport too.

I'd pick suzi over lee any day if it came down to a female presenter.
As for DC, he's good in the commentary but at times comes across as a smug prick, especially after interviewing rosberg on the grid yesterday.
Really hope eddie stays on, when he thinks before he speaks he's bang on with a lot of what he says.

mickdw

I had sky for 3 quarters of the f1 season and found it ok but there is much more fun feel on BBC although it has to be said, if you didnt have the red button, the bbc after race coverage would have been piss poor.
Will be sticking with sky from now on though. Would love to see EJ with sky. He would transform the programme.

Autosport

I must say I love Sky team and I love the skypad, Sky gave us a channel dedicated to F1 and I never tire of watching it. Although i do miss EJ its not enough for me to go back to BBC.

mickdw

Autosport wrote: »

I must say I love Sky team and I love the skypad, Sky gave us a channel dedicated to F1 and I never tire of watching it. Although i do miss EJ its not enough for me to go back to BBC.

I'm slightly disappointed with sky in that I expected that they would have had the ability to break live stories and have someone reporting on the various ins and outs of f1 even when not near a race weekend. Too many hours of repeat force India features.

Seannew1

How I miss the team of EJ,Brundle,Coulthard and Jake in 2011.I'd watch the entire BBC forum then because it was always interesting. The only reason I put up with sky was because of Brundle,thought Herbert and Hill were terrible,McNish and Davidson were'nt bad from what I seen. Like someone said,I think BBC did a great job this year all things considering,Coulthard did a good job on the grid before the race and EJ and Jake were as good as ever.

Myrddin

Seannew1 wrote: »

Coulthard did a good job on the grid before the race

I actually find DC's grid walks to be quite rubbish, its rare he talks to interesting people/drivers, one time he wasted over a minute talking to Gary Anderson who we listen to anyway for two bloody hours!

Nah, Brundle is the absolute king of the grid walk...you need a certain mindset to do it.

ScumLord

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I cant stand the Sky coverage its far too flashy and it reminds me of really crappy Nascar coverage. Far too many people standing around a giant touch-screen talking non-sense.

They don't seem to be liked as much by anyone either. BBC always seemed to get better interviews and I always put that down to EJ and DC knowing the people they're talking too.

Tea 1000

Beekay wrote: »

Sky commentary team is great. Pre-race and post-race is pretty bad. Simon is horrible, takes ages to get a question out and seems very fake.
They also have way too many drivers saying the same thing. We don't need so many with Brundle,Hill, Herbert, McNish and Davidson. They need a different angle.

Herbert is such a tosser, one of the more annoying aspects of the Sky coverage. I prefer the BBC coverage but they'll need to find someone decent to replace Jake. Suzi would work well actually, she's very natural in front of the camera. Brundle's grid walks are greatly missed alright.

Rascasse

LIGHTNING wrote: »

DC`s grid walks are awful, he never talks to anybody decent apart from his mate Button. It also seems like nobody has time for him.

DC doesn't have Brundle's bravery to just walk up to someone and stick a mic in their face so they have little choice. He also doesn't butt in on other channels interviews like Brundle does. Most of the time he's just aimlessly walking down the grid hoping to catch peoples attention and not getting on with it.

ScumLord wrote: »

They don't seem to be liked as much by anyone either. BBC always seemed to get better interviews and I always put that down to EJ and DC knowing the people they're talking too.

F1 teams and drivers are just moving adverts. BBC has at least triple the audience of Sky when live so it's no surprise the teams are eager to get their sponsors logos in front of Auntie's camera. I think the BBC highlights show gets more than Sky's coverage.

Myrddin

Rascasse wrote: »

He also doesn't butt in on other channels interviews like Brundle does

Bare in mind not all channels are broadcasting live on the grid walk.

Rascasse

EnterNow wrote: »

Bare in mind not all channels are broadcasting live on the grid walk.

I know, that why Brundle always jumps in on the German woman (Tania?) but Coulthard obviously has too many manners.

Maybe if he goes they could give EJ the grid walk, he has no fear!

Myrddin

Rascasse wrote: »

I know, that why Brundle always jumps in on the German woman (Tania?) but Coulthard obviously has too many manners.

Maybe if he goes they could give EJ the grid walk, he has no fear!

Lol, Tania & Brundle used to have a bit of a rivalry going on alright. I think shes Sky Germany isn't she? So same boss now!

EJ does decent ones yeah, it'd be better for viewers alright

Tea 1000

EnterNow wrote: »

Lol, Tania & Brundle used to have a bit of a rivalry going on alright. I think shes Sky Germany isn't she? So same boss now!

EJ does decent ones yeah, it'd be better for viewers alright

Actually, it was very noticeable last year after the Sky deal was done with Tanya's reaction to Brundle. She was most polite and actually made way for him at one race!!

Myrddin

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Actually, it was very noticeable last year after the Sky deal was done with Tanya's reaction to Brundle. She was most polite and actually made way for him at one race!!

Really? I only got to see Sky coverage for the first time not too long ago. Its made how the allegiances change

Tea 1000

EnterNow wrote: »

Really? I only got to see Sky coverage for the first time not too long ago. Its made how the allegiances change

Ya, she used be a little mouthy at him for a couple of races after that event where he butted in on her interview, then they used to just keep a wide enough berth of each other, then the Sky deal was announced and he was signed, and she was quite friendly and jokey to him when they crossed paths, she stepped aside in one situation, it was just about visible before she left the camera frame!

ratedR

I reckon when Jake said "all races live" he probably meant that the BBC will be at all the races, some live on 5 live, some live on tv, the rest highlights. I can't see the beeb having full coverage for a long time, if ever. The BBC is in dire financial straits and they blew some money on the Olympics coverage too. I can't see Lee "dissapointed" McKenzie getting the job either.

I could definitely see DC moving on. IIRC his contract with bbc was for 4 years. I've also read that Croftys position is up for review. If it's true I'm not really surprised, I used to think he was great on the red button for practice sessions, but having listened to him for a full season on Sky, he's a bit irritating.
Lazenby isn't the best either. Very awkward. Herbert was good at the start, and definitely lightened things up, but he has absolutely nothing to add. He hasn't got the knowledge or insight that Brundle, Davidson or McNish (even though he comes across as a know-it-all) have. Hill is wooden, but I suppose he's a World Champion.

Georgie Thompson would be better used as a presenter in my opinion, and get rid of Lazenby. She's more natural (and easy on the eye) and she doesnt need bags of knowledge to present and do a few links.

Sky needs a shake-up, but I like how much dedicated coverage they have. The F1 show is great, the sport was missing something like that.

If Sky could pluck a few more from BBC, Anderson (not likely with Kravitz there) maybe Coulthard commentating, and even EJ (a bit marmite, but he's connected and isnt afraid to corner anyone for an interview) and they toned down on the music and flashyness then they'd be onto a winner. But I'm happy with Sky, the BBC with occasional races and highlights won't cut it with me.

Tea 1000

ratedR wrote: »

I reckon when Jake said "all races live" he probably meant that the BBC will be at all the races, some live on 5 live, some live on tv, the rest highlights. I can't see the beeb having full coverage for a long time, if ever. The BBC is in dire financial straits and they blew some money on the Olympics coverage too. I can't see Lee "dissapointed" McKenzie getting the job either.

I could definitely see DC moving on. IIRC his contract with bbc was for 4 years. I've also read that Croftys position is up for review. If it's true I'm not really surprised, I used to think he was great on the red button for practice sessions, but having listened to him for a full season on Sky, he's a bit irritating.
Lazenby isn't the best either. Very awkward. Herbert was good at the start, and definitely lightened things up, but he has absolutely nothing to add. He hasn't got the knowledge or insight that Brundle, Davidson or McNish (even though he comes across as a know-it-all) have. Hill is wooden, but I suppose he's a World Champion.

Georgie Thompson would be better used as a presenter in my opinion, and get rid of Lazenby. She's more natural (and easy on the eye) and she doesnt need bags of knowledge to present and do a few links.

Sky needs a shake-up, but I like how much dedicated coverage they have. The F1 show is great, the sport was missing something like that.

If Sky could pluck a few more from BBC, Anderson (not likely with Kravitz there) maybe Coulthard commentating, and even EJ (a bit marmite, but he's connected and isnt afraid to corner anyone for an interview) and they toned down on the music and flashyness then they'd be onto a winner. But I'm happy with Sky, the BBC with occasional races and highlights won't cut it with me.

While I agree those changes would make Sky F1 better, the fact that I can't afford to pay for the more Sky than I'm already paying means that I hope none of that happens!

Daniel S

What they need is Peter Collins!

StephenHendry

LIGHTNING wrote: »

DC`s grid walks are awful, he never talks to anybody decent apart from his mate Button. It also seems like nobody has time for him.

add webber to that as well, dc never wastes an opportunity to catch up with his former team mate !!

frostie500

The one thing that I'd say about DC's gridwalks is that it's his first year doing them. In 97 Brundle wasn't fantastic at the grid walks either but he developed his style over the next couple of years and by 99 or 2000 he was fantastic at them. It takes time and it's a pretty tough skill to master, there's a hell of a lot going on on the grid before a race!

Bit of a rant upcoming now....
As far as the coverage is concerned I think both SKY and BBC are pretty poor. Both have elements that I like but compared to last year we have two substandard products. I used to love watching the pre and post race stuff but this year it's been awkward and poor quality with both stations.

I didn't like Simon Lazenby on SKY for rugby and I really don't like for F1. He seems very wooden (maybe the wrong word) but it's just not as natural as with Jake on the BBC. The dynamics of the Beeb were great with Jake, EJ and DC and SKY have failed spectacularly to try and match that.

They have way too many drivers. Hill, Herbert, McNish, Davidson...pick one and be done with it! I'd take Ant as he's very knowledgable and is a good commentator as well as expert. Of the others I don't think that they add anything to the show that we wouldn't have from just one former driver. When you factor in Brundle in the post race stuff there is way too many ex-drivers.

As far as commentating is concerned I've always been a fan of David Croft, loved him on 5 Live, but I much prefered DC and Brundle last year. Saying that Crofty and Brundle work well together for the most part. I cant say the same for Ben Edwards and DC. I didn't like Edwards when he did CART or the Bernie Vision F1 and I still don't like him. He's very knowledgable but I just cant warm to him. Everytime I watched a race on the Beeb it seemed as though all Edwards was do was read the positions off the timing sheets. As I said though I didnt watch all the races on SKY so maybe I'm being unfair.

Gary Anderson though is deadly. I think he is probably the most knowledgable person I've ever seen/listened to on TV. He's pretty much spot on about everything he says. Even the last race in Brazil when Vettel crashed. Everyone was panicking about how much damage Vettel had and Gary just said something along the lines of "it's not too bad. the damage isnt in the radiator and it'll probably cost Vettel a tenth of a second a lap and a bit less in the wet."

I don't really have strong feelings on Lee. I think she does alright, wouldnt want to see her as the anchor but it wouldnt be a surprise if we did see her get that job. I think most people dont seem to get that the anchors job is to direct the conversation amongst the experts and to make sure that everything runs smootly.

Look at RTEs football coverage. I couldn't tell you anything about Bill but he does a fantastic job of getting Dunphy, Giles and whoever else is on the panal on any given night to talk. That's what an anchor has to do. A lot of people (not so much here but on other forums) criticise Jake but look at how he can seamlessly move from F1 to football to the Olympics and still do a very good job. It's not because he's an expert at any of those sports it's because he understands that an anchors job is keep the show on track.

In regards to the rest of SKYs coverage I just dont understand some of it. The F1 chanel...for most of the year we could either see Paul di Resta talk to Natallie on a boat in Monaco or talking to Brundle on a helicopter. There's some things that I love about the F1 channel-the season reviews and things like that-but why is so much of the content just run on a loop. Why not show Indy Car races during the week, GP2, GP3 and repeat F1 races from earlier in the season.

With regards to their actual coverage I dont understand the "Skypad." Georgie and Ant standing around a touchscreen telly showing us repeats and magnifying different things...its 2012 a touchscreen and telestrator is not cutting edge, its actually pretty old. You have an iPad in your hand why not play the replay in full screen so we can all see it clearly at home and use the tablet to control the replay and pause it at crucial times and then highlight the area and do it all while in the paddock rather than in a white shed. The Skypad is actually one of the things that annoys me most about their coverage to be honest.

The F1 Show is very good. I actually prefer it on non race weekends for some reason. I remember ITV used to do the "Murray and Martin Show" on the Saturday afternoon. It was only a 15 or 30 minute show but it did a great job of getting the post qualifying news done and other features included into the show. SKY's version is one of the few things that they have done that I actually think adds something to coverage of the sport.

We were obviously spoiled by the quality of BBC's coverage over their four years as exclusive broadcaster but that doesn't mean that I'll be giving SKY a free pass for doing a decent job. Anytime a broadcaster takes on a contract they have to improve upon what had gone before it otherwise the audience will be disappointed