Irish names into English

hullaballoo

Ráchael.

It's derived from a Hebrew name so there is no real translation. Translating names is an awful waste of time anyway. My given name in English is nothing like the Irish for it. English people went around Ireland asking people their names, like Starbucks do today. They then made up their own approximations.

There are some names that have equivalents in other languages, e.g., Pól, Paul, Pablo, Paulo etc. but that is usually more to do with the spread of Christianity or invasion etc.

Rachel is believed to mean a number of things. If you want an approximated translation, I'd go with Róis or Róisín.

Gumbi

hullaballoo wrote: »

Ráchael.

It's derived from a Hebrew name so there is no real translation. Translating names is an awful waste of time anyway. My given name in English is nothing like the Irish for it. English people went around Ireland asking people their names, like Starbucks do today. They then made up their own approximations.

There are some names that have equivalents in other languages, e.g., Pól, Paul, Pablo, Paulo etc. but that is usually more to do with the spread of Christianity or invasion etc.

Rachel is believed to mean a number of things. If you want an approximated translation, I'd go with Róis or Róisín.

That violates Irish spelling rules.

deirdremf

Gumbi wrote: »

That violates Irish spelling rules.

How so? It looks fine to me - as fine as Gael, anyway!

Gumbi

deirdremf wrote: »

How so? It looks fine to me - as fine as Gael, anyway!

I meant to say convention. I don't know. It looks wrong to me as a whole.

Moonbeam

Fizzical wrote: »

Anyone know if there's an Irish version of Rachel?

No there is not.
This disappoints my kids greatly as they all have lovely irish names.

An Sionnach Glic

Rachel is Ráchael in the Irish language version of the Bible, which seems like a fairly authorative (linguistic) source to me. Especially when you consider that Pádraig Ó Fiannachta, native Irish speaker and one of the most pre-eminent Irish scholars of our day was the editor of the modern edition.

P. Breathnach

An Sionnach Glic wrote: »

Rachel is Ráchael in the Irish language version of the Bible, which seems like a fairly authorative (linguistic) source to me. Especially when you consider that Pádraig Ó Fiannachta, native Irish speaker and one of the most pre-eminent Irish scholars of our day was the editor of the modern edition.

How would you pronounce Ráchael?

An Sionnach Glic

P. Breathnach wrote: »

How would you pronounce Ráchael?

Like this below, I would presume.

http://www.abair.tcd.ie/?view=listen&lang=gle&page=synthesis&synth=cm_V2&xpos=0&ypos=24&speed=Gn%C3%A1thluas&pitch=1.0&input=R%C3%A1chael&xmlfile=20131105_181721.xml&colors=default

An Riabhach

Fizzical wrote: »

Anyone know if there's an Irish version of Rachel?

I have also seen it written as "Rícheal".

Many biblical Irish language names are different from the everyday Irish versions.,e.g.
Ráchael-Rícheal(Rachel)
Muire-Máire(Mary)
Eiliosaibeit-Eilís(Elizabeth)
Ribeaceá-Ríobhca(Rebecca)
Iósaf-Seosamh(Joseph)
Dáiví-Dáithí(David)
Eoin-Seán(John)
Iasón-Séasán(Jason)
Aindrias-Aindriú(Andrew)
Míocáel-Mícheál(Michael)

An Riabhach

Moonbeam wrote: »

No there is not.
This disappoints my kids greatly as they all have lovely irish names.

If the teachers told you that,don't listen to them-they know eff all about names.
They told me that there was no Irish for "Jason" in both primary and secondary,and yet there are two Irish versions unfortunately still relatively unfamiliar-"Séasán" and "Iasón".

An gal gréine

Seasan wrote: »

I have also seen it written as "Rícheal".

Many biblical Irish language names are different from the everyday Irish versions.,e.g.
Ráchael-Rícheal(Rachel)
Muire-Máire(Mary)
Eiliosaibeit-Eilís(Elizabeth)
Ribeaceá-Ríobhca(Rebecca)
Iósaf-Seosamh(Joseph)
Dáiví-Dáithí(David)
Eoin-Seán(John)
Iasón-Séasán(Jason)
Aindrias-Aindriú(Andrew)
Míocáel-Mícheál(Michael)

...agus Maois-Maodhóg (Moses).

Moonbeam

Seasan wrote: »

If the teachers told you that,don't listen to them-they know eff all about names.
They told me that there was no Irish for "Jason" in both primary and secondary,and yet there are two Irish versions unfortunately still relatively unfamiliar-"Séasán" and "Iasón".

No it was the 6 summers in irish college:) My name is Rachael as opposed to Rachel but not as if anyone ever spells it correctly in english!

An Riabhach

Moonbeam wrote: »

No it was the 6 summers in irish college:) My name is Rachael as opposed to Rachel but not as if anyone ever spells it correctly in english!

Bet you're glad you're on this thread-now you can choose from two Irish versions ;-)

Somebody explained earlier how to pronounce "Ráchael",but as for "Rícheal" I can only guess that it would go something like "Ree-hyal"...but this stands to be corrected by other posters.

Ar aon nós,bain sásamh as d'ainm Gaelach nua!!

An Sionnach Glic

Seasan wrote: »

Bet you're glad you're on this thread-now you can choose from two Irish versions ;-)

Somebody explained earlier how to pronounce "Ráchael",but as for "Rícheal" I can only guess that it would go something like "Ree-hyal"...but this stands to be corrected by other posters.

Ar aon nós,bain sásamh as d'ainm Gaelach nua!!

You can check the pronunciation of any Irish word in two different dialects at www.abair.ie

An Riabhach

Just out of curiosity-regarding unknown/unfamiliar Irish names which are generally not included on English/Gaeilge names lists in books etc.,how would one go about compiling a list of such names and their Irish forms-just so as to have one in order to avoid ignorance and uncertainty etc.?

An Sionnach Glic

Seasan wrote: »

Just out of curiosity-regarding unknown/unfamiliar Irish names which are generally not included on English/Gaeilge names lists in books etc.,how would one go about compiling a list of such names and their Irish forms-just so as to have one in order to avoid ignorance and uncertainty etc.?

Well for Biblical names, there's this as a WORD file:
http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCgQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gaeilge.ie%2Fdynamic%2Fdocs%2FAinmneacha%2520D%25C3%25ADlse%2520an%2520Nua-Thiomna.doc&ei=0NmLUur_NOG47AbzlICwBA&usg=AFQjCNETycoov3Jlyo7jnM8ewBZQU70rxg&bvm=bv.56643336,d.ZGU&cad=rja

which you can also get in book form from here:

http://www.litriocht.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=5222

feargale

I haven't read this all of this thread, and I'm sorry if I'm repeating something. There is a very comprehensive little book on this subject called " An Sloinnteoir Gaeilge - agus an t-Ainmneoir." I think it will tell you everything you want to know about Irish first names and surnames. First printed in 1996 and reprinted several times since. You should be able to get it in An Siopa Gaelach, 5 Harcourt Street, D2. I got a second-hand one for €5.99 in Chapters last week. I imagine you'll pay double that for a new one.

An Riabhach

feargale wrote: »

I haven't read this all of this thread, and I'm sorry if I'm repeating something. There is a very comprehensive little book on this subject called " An Sloinnteoir Gaeilge - agus an t-Ainmneoir." I think it will tell you everything you want to know about Irish first names and surnames. First printed in 1996 and reprinted several times since. You should be able to get it in An Siopa Gaelach, 5 Harcourt Street, D2. I got a second-hand one for €5.99 in Chapters last week. I imagine you'll pay double that for a new one.

Muiris Ó Droighneáin.

Yep-I have this book too,and it was one of the sources of finding the correct Irish for my surname,which teachers at school yet again did not know.

But as good as this book is,there are many first names which are not listed....

feargale

Seasan wrote: »

Muiris Ó Droighneáin.

Yep-I have this book too,and it was one of the sources of finding the correct Irish for my surname,which teachers at school yet again did not know.

But as good as this book is,there are many first names which are not listed....

True, many first names are not listed, and of course it's English to Irish only, not vice-versa. It's useful though,