The Walking Dead - Ending Spoilers!!!!

Zero-Cool

As suggested by Calex, I agree we should have a thread to discuss the ending of Telltale's The Walking Dead. The other thread is just walls of grey with all the spoilers. Especially how full game is being released on disk soon, I'd say more people will get it. And if you haven't played it, you really REALLY should!
My GOTY

SPOILERS


So Season 2 would be class if you come across Omid Christa and Clem for some closure but Telltale don't seem to do happy endings.

Can anyone tell me why the stranger has followed you if you didn't rob him?

Grumpypants

He follows to get to Kenny and the rest who did steal, but then after hearing all the things lee did he wants to kill lee and take clem.

F1ngers

sheehy83 wrote: »

So Season 2 would be class if you come across Omid Christa and Clem for some closure but Telltale don't seem to do happy endings.

Would be nice, if in WD2 you see Clem, Omid and Christa as you pass through a town or something.
They wouldn't have to be alive or anything, just there.

I only did one playthrough so I had to live with my decisions, no matter what they were.
But now, I'm really looking forward to doing different playthroughs of this, saving different people, making different decisions.

If it wasn't for BlOpsII, this would get GOTY.
WD - Easily GOTY.

O/T:
Anyone got any word on the Walking Dead forum?
Been a month since approved and no sign of it, that I can see.

Zero-Cool

F1ngers wrote: »

O/T:
Anyone got any word on the Walking Dead forum?
Been a month since approved and no sign of it, that I can see.

Yupp, its up and running as a TV sub section but comics, books and game are discussed in it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1569

Orim

One of the things that got me when the stranger was listing off my "crimes" was the realisation that Clem had to tell him those things. So really it was a description of how she saw everything.

Grumpypants wrote: »

He follows to get to Kenny and the rest who did steal, but then after hearing all the things lee did he wants to kill lee and take clem.

There's also the fact that he didn't know until Clem told him. The others still took everything so he just saw it as a group thing. By the time he caught up he was wanted to "protect" Clem from Lee, so he didn't care about the theft.


Also I was quite shocked when I felt bad when Kenny died. I really didn't give a rat's ass about him at this stage but they did a fantastic job of redeeming him in this episode.

What happens to ben if he survived episode 4?

Zero-Cool

Ya, gut dropped when Kenny sacrificed himself for Ben. Good question, what does happen if Ben died in 4?

Also, what happens if you end ep 4 with just Lee, does he chop off his own arm and do Kenny and Ben go back into it? Omid and Chistie didn't go with me but still met up with them in ep 5.

Grumpypants

Orim wrote: »

One of the things that got me when the stranger was listing off my "crimes" was the realisation that Clem had to tell him those things. So really it was a description of how she saw everything.



There's also the fact that he didn't know until Clem told him. The others still took everything so he just saw it as a group thing. By the time he caught up he was wanted to "protect" Clem from Lee, so he didn't care about the theft.


Also I was quite shocked when I felt bad when Kenny died. I really didn't give a rat's ass about him at this stage but they did a fantastic job of redeeming him in this episode.

What happens to ben if he survived episode 4?

If you save Ben when your group is escaping out of the house the balcony gives way and he gets impailed on a spike. Kenny and lee try to save him but can't so Kenny stays with him and they both get eaten.

I was glad I saved him he had some great scenes.

Orim

Grumpypants wrote: »

If you save Ben when your group is escaping out of the house the balcony gives way and he gets impailed on a spike. Kenny and lee try to save him but can't so Kenny stays with him and they both get eaten.

I was glad I saved him he had some great scenes.

Ah that makes sense. I remember the balcony starting to give way when Kenny jumped.

Really makes me want to play through again.

Zero-Cool

Did Kenny falloff the balcony instead? was he impaled and did Lee try to help him?

Orim

sheehy83 wrote: »

Ya, gut dropped when Kenny sacrificed himself for Ben. Good question, what does happen if Ben died in 4?

After the balcony jump when you get to the hole in the roof, Kenny knocks the radio out of Lee's hand and into the hole. Christie jumps in to get it but can't out and you can't get her out. Kenny jumps in and gives her a boost out. Gut wrenching moment that was.

Zero-Cool

Aw man, really want to play through again. I played through Mass Effect on Paragon first and through on Renegade. I had no problem being a d1ck to everyone I came across but I cannot picture being mean to Clem or scolding her. Surely Telltale deserve some accomplishment for making a character so likeable.

If you choose to not cut the arm off, does Lee make it to the end with both arms?

Syferus

F1ngers wrote: »

Would be nice, if in WD2 you see Clem, Omid and Christa as you pass through a town or something.
They wouldn't have to be alive or anything, just there.

I only did one playthrough so I had to live with my decisions, no matter what they were.
But now, I'm really looking forward to doing different playthroughs of this, saving different people, making different decisions.

If it wasn't for BlOpsII, this would get GOTY.
WD - Easily GOTY.

O/T:
Anyone got any word on the Walking Dead forum?
Been a month since approved and no sign of it, that I can see.

I didn't go through that to see Clem die off-screen. That would be perhaps the worst piece of writing imaginable.

Kenny's death with Ben made the least sense possible, he wasn't saving Ben, Ben was dead anyway. He essentially committed suicide. A step too far in my opinion, there was no reason not to let his character carry over into season two once he'd got that far. It was the one moment that feel very arbitrary and cheap in the entire game. The fact you saved Ben, risking your own life, and the lives of others in the process, in episode four makes that whole scene seem creatively dirty.

Zero-Cool

Yeah, Ben impaled on the spike, Kenny should have known better but I think it was the whole thing of Ken being a d1ck to him and kept wishing Ben was dead. When it finally came down to it Kenny wanted to make it easier on him, using the last bullet on Ben (if though we didn't see it).

I was fully sure after Omid and Christa agreed to take care of Clem that they would appear outside that building and take Clem away. That scene of her walking through a field and then her last shocked/terrified face will stay with me for a long time.

I say we start a petition to have Telltale release a new ending through DLC where Lee finds a cure, Clems parents are still alive and they all move into a house together getting into wacky sitcom situations.

SeantheMan

Syferus wrote: »

I didn't go through that to see Clem die off-screen. That would be perhaps the worst piece of writing imaginable.

Kenny's death with Ben made the least sense possible, he wasn't saving Ben, Ben was dead anyway. He essentially committed suicide. A step too far in my opinion, there was no reason not to let his character carry over into season two once he'd got that far. It was the one moment that feel very arbitrary and cheap in the entire game. The fact you saved Ben, risking your own life, and the lives of others in the process, in episode four makes that whole scene seem creatively dirty.

This seemed stupid to me too, he could have easily killed Ben and lived. Only 10 minutes before he gives a speech about his wife and that suicide is the cowards way out, that you should stick with your friends till the end.

Also, was disappointed you don't get to confront vernon. How did the cancer patients sneak up and overpower kenny....they were in bits and scared to death. I can't see them suddenly change character to ruthless thugs/thieves.

And at ep4, when he says "you didnt come by the train did you ?", you don't really find out what that was. I assume it got overrun with zombies.
Without thinking I told Omid and Christa to meet me there....so...prob dead....and then Clem would have to meet up with them. But it's all speculation, that part seemed to have little/no impact.

If you tell Clem not to shoot you, do you become a zombie ?

SeantheMan

sheehy83 wrote:

I was fully sure after Omid and Christa agreed to take care of Clem that they would appear outside that building and take Clem away. That scene of her walking through a field and then her last shocked/terrified face will stay with me for a long time.

what scene is this ? After the creds or something ?

Zero-Cool

SeantheMan wrote: »

what scene is this ? After the creds or something ?

Yeah after the credits, you get a 2 minute scene of Clem.

SeantheMan

sheehy83 wrote: »

Yeah after the credits, you get a 2 minute scene of Clem.

Ugh, I didn't watch it. Will play through the final part again now. Crap anyways

NotorietyH

SeantheMan wrote: »

And at ep4, when he says "you didnt come by the train did you ?", you don't really find out what that was. I assume it got overrun with zombies.

The massive horde of zombies that suddenly appeared in the town in episode 5 are the massive horde that were chasing the train in episode three. They flash back to it at the start of this episode. Basically the train drew every zombie it passed to Savannah. That's why he asked about the train, probably saw the massive horde of zombies coming along the tracks and that's when he realised he needed to get the f*ck out of dodge and steal the boat.

Grumpypants

SeantheMan wrote: »

This seemed stupid to me too, he could have easily killed Ben and lived. Only 10 minutes before he gives a speech about his wife and that suicide is the cowards way out, that you should stick with your friends till the end.

Also, was disappointed you don't get to confront vernon. How did the cancer patients sneak up and overpower kenny....they were in bits and scared to death. I can't see them suddenly change character to ruthless thugs/thieves.

And at ep4, when he says "you didnt come by the train did you ?", you don't really find out what that was. I assume it got overrun with zombies.
Without thinking I told Omid and Christa to meet me there....so...prob dead....and then Clem would have to meet up with them. But it's all speculation, that part seemed to have little/no impact.

If you tell Clem not to shoot you, do you become a zombie ?

in ep 4 Lee told Vernon about them escaping from a herd at the end of ep 3. Vernon knew then the herd was coming to savannah as it was following the train and knew they had to leave straight away.

Orim

SeantheMan wrote: »

This seemed stupid to me too, he could have easily killed Ben and lived. Only 10 minutes before he gives a speech about his wife and that suicide is the cowards way out, that you should stick with your friends till the end.

Sounds like not having Ben made for a better story. Kenny saving Christie was brilliant and one of my highlights.

Grumpypants

Enjoying reading everyone else's impressions. I took Kenny with me so it came as no surprise that Ben, omid and Christa let the boat get robbed.

The end scene was great it set it up like the two characters walking over the hill were christa and omid but then seeing clems face change it could be anyone.

blaa85

Lads, we didn't see Kenny actually die. I was talkin to one of the lads last night, who did it different to me and let Ben die in ep 4, he said the same thing.

Zero-Cool

A return of Kenny in Season 2 would be good but wouldn't have any proper story. Family dead, no more Lee to bounce off and if he was in it, he would just be a character that would argue everything you said. But yeah, weird the way it doesn't show what happens to him.

SeantheMan

blaa85 wrote: »

Lads, we didn't see Kenny actually die. I was talkin to one of the lads last night, who did it different to me and let Ben die in ep 4, he said the same thing.

It's true. You "assume" he died, but who knows.

Orim

I'm certain that Kenny is dead. I'm fairly certain there was no way out of where I left him and I heard him scream in a "OMG they're biting me" kinda way.

SeantheMan

I had to play through the final scenes there again , it was possible for Lee to use the gun on himself rather than making poor Clem have to do it.
That would traumatise her

Syferus

Ah lads, Kenny is dead. This same hopeless doubting came up with

Lori

in the tv show a week ago.

In retrospect Tell Tale were very obviously planning on clearing the deck of almost all the remaining characters, either from the very beginning or after the second episode.

It makes the possible permutations they have to deal with for season two far, far easier.

Orim

SeantheMan wrote: »

I had to play through the final scenes there again , it was possible for Lee to use the gun on himself rather than making poor Clem have to do it.
That would traumatise her

This reminds me of two things. What happens if you handcuff the guard? I got her to handcuff me to the radiator.

Following on from that Clem got attacked (:o) but there was a chance to grab the baseball bat and it gave you the option of grabbing it or kicking it. I went for the grab option because I genuinely forgot that Lee had lost the hand, heat of the moment and all that. But that was great personal moment for me and I can't help but admire Telltale building a game that allows that kind of thing.

calex71

Orim wrote: »

This reminds me of two things. What happens if you handcuff the guard? I got her to handcuff me to the radiator.

Following on from that Clem got attacked (:o) but there was a chance to grab the baseball bat and it gave you the option of grabbing it or kicking it. I went for the grab option because I genuinely forgot that Lee had lost the hand, heat of the moment and all that. But that was great personal moment for me and I can't help but admire Telltale building a game that allows that kind of thing.

Not sure about the other parts but I kicked the bat first not even registering the situation lee was in that had I choose grab he'd have had no arm to do it with but she gets attacked there either way.

Kind of annoying in a way the game check points and auto saves in that it's not at all easy to reload and see what happens if you choose a different option.

Also delighted with the way the achievements and trophies were done..... i know i know some of us like those but they were unmissable and so I could forget about them and just focus on playing the game and make the decisions I wants without having them at the back of my mind.

Was ep5 shorter than the others?????? I felt it was but don't feel short changed because of it.

There are still some loose ends, does anyone know if the game was always going end with lee and clem in that area ? or there was any other alternative to it?

Orim

calex71 wrote: »

There are still some loose ends, does anyone know if the game was always going end with lee and clem in that area ? or there was any other alternative to it?

I'm fairly certain the end of the game is the scene in the room with Omid and Christie loose somewhere regardless of what choices you make.

calex71

Orim wrote: »

I'm fairly certain the end of the game is the scene in the room with Omid and Christie loose somewhere regardless of what choices you make.

Wow no , I had them side with me in ep 4 and ben and kenny told me to get lost, then in the end of ep5 I told clem to leave me chained to the radiator , the after credits scene was her sitting on a log and spotting 2 figures walking on the horizon, Omid and Christa didn't feature at all ..... though it was late I'm going to have to watch it again but there was no way to know if it was them on the horizon or not and this came across in how clem reacted to seeing them.

Orim

calex71 wrote: »

Wow no , I had them side with me in ep 4 and ben and kenny told me to get lost, then in the end of ep5 I told clem to leave me chained to the radiator , the after credits scene was her sitting on a log and spotting 2 figures walking on the horizon, Omid and Christa didn't feature at all ..... though it was late I'm going to have to watch it again but there was no way to know if it was them on the horizon or not and this came across in how clem reacted to seeing them.

I just meant that Omid and Christie are the only others that are still alive.

I don't think it was them in the distant but I think they got out of Savannah

Tubbs4

calex71 wrote: »

Not sure about the other parts but I kicked the bat first not even registering the situation lee was in that had I choose grab he'd have had no arm to do it with but she gets attacked there either way.

Kind of annoying in a way the game check points and auto saves in that it's not at all easy to reload and see what happens if you choose a different option.

Also delighted with the way the achievements and trophies were done..... i know i know some of us like those but they were unmissable and so I could forget about them and just focus on playing the game and make the decisions I wants without having them at the back of my mind.

Was ep5 shorter than the others?????? I felt it was but don't feel short changed because of it.

There are still some loose ends, does anyone know if the game was always going end with lee and clem in that area ? or there was any other alternative to it?

You can use the rewind feature to go back in a chapter. I used in to see what happened if you kept the women who you can throw out of the camper.

Lone Stone

I think in the sequel Lee may not be dead, it doesnt show clem actually shooting you (if you chose that) it blacks out. So this could leave it open for Lee to back in the second game. He could have just passed out from blood loss to be found by some one later (possibly that old doctor) all this im assuming as i chose to cut of my arm.

SeantheMan

calex71 wrote: »

Wow no , I had them side with me in ep 4 and ben and kenny told me to get lost, then in the end of ep5 I told clem to leave me chained to the radiator , the after credits scene was her sitting on a log and spotting 2 figures walking on the horizon, Omid and Christa didn't feature at all ..... though it was late I'm going to have to watch it again but there was no way to know if it was them on the horizon or not and this came across in how clem reacted to seeing them.

Same final scene no matter what really.

Lone Stone wrote: »

I think in the sequel Lee may not be dead, it doesnt show clem actually shooting you (if you chose that) it blacks out. So this could leave it open for Lee to back in the second game. He could have just passed out from blood loss to be found by some one later (possibly those that old doctor) all this im assuming as i chose to cut of my arm.

He's definitely brown bread.

Orim

Lone Stone wrote: »

I think in the sequel Lee may not be dead, it doesnt show clem actually shooting you (if you chose that) it blacks out. So this could leave it open for Lee to back in the second game. He could have just passed out from blood loss to be found by some one later (possibly those that old doctor) all this im assuming as i chose to cut of my arm.

Love the optimism but Lee is dead. From an outside perspective it would completely destroy season 1 if he's not dead.

From within the game, the colour of his skin and his struggle to do anything just shows that he was on the way out.

Also I'd be very disappointed in clem if she didn't do the job.

Did anyone think that the discarded shotgun shell at the end seemed very significant? I can't think of anything for it though.

calex71

Orim wrote: »

Love the optimism but Lee is dead. From an outside perspective it would completely destroy season 1 if he's not dead.

From within the game, the colour of his skin and his struggle to do anything just shows that he was on the way out.

Also I'd be very disappointed in clem if she didn't do the job.

Did anyone think that the discarded shotgun shell at the end seemed very significant? I can't think of anything for it though.

it was all in the eyes too, i'm no doctor but even I could tell he was toast given his depiction in the final moments

Syferus

Someone already said you can shoot yourself too so it's pretty obvious Lee is dead.

This isn't Lost, it's not a franchise driven by deus ex machina or cheap twists.

norrie rugger

SeantheMan wrote: »

Same final scene no matter what really.



He's definitely brown bread.

To be honest, he could have just been weakened from loss of blood/infection from getting his arm cut off.

Star Lord

norrie rugger wrote: »

To be honest, he could have just been weakened from loss of blood/infection from getting his arm cut off.

In which case without a transfusion, he'd die, and come back as a zombie!

norrie rugger

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

In which case without a transfusion, he'd die, and come back as a zombie!

Not assured. He could have weaked to the point of collapse, due to the lack of blood and stay unconsious until his body can take it. He kinda exerted himself a lot, after losing the arm.

I think that he is dead but I have seen a lot weaker ways of avoiding the apparently obvious.

Sand

I really like the ending - the piece after the credits with Clem wandering by herself across an empty plain was powerful. All you can do is hope that the two figures are Omid and Christa, but they could be anyone. Funny thing too is that both we and Clem presume the worst - if they're not Omid and Christa, then we assume they're probably dangerous. Its considered highly unlikely that there is decent people left. Nice sense of paranoia and distrust that the game instills.

There was some great scenes in Episode 5 - covering Clem with the zombie guts was necessary, but you'd still be angry that Clem was in a world where it was necessary for her to be covered in zombie guts to survive. Between the final scene and this, Episode 5 really hit you with the sense that you were letting Clem down - by dying, by not keeping her protected from the horrific nature of the world. I got a genuine laugh from the last scene - like others I reached for the baseball bat only to go "Oh yeah. Handcuffs. Way to go genius".

The ending summary really clarified what a dick Kenny was though.

Kenny:
- You defended his son in the drugstore
- You told him about your past
- You killed his son so he didn't have to

Katja
- You found water for Duck when he needed it

Duck
- You argued that he was not bitten back in Macon
- You let him be your sidekick to solve a mystery
- You shot him before he could turn

Yet, when I asked Kenny to come help find Clem: "I don't know Lee - if it was me asking you for your help, would you really be there for me?" Really Kenny, really?

I'm glad he didn't make it. I cant believe he was even an option to suggest as taking care of Clem after Lee was gone. Also, from the report above I'm glad I left Ben to die - my gut instinct that he would just get someone else killed was proven correct.

titan18

Sand wrote: »

I really like the ending - the piece after the credits with Clem wandering by herself across an empty plain was powerful. All you can do is hope that the two figures are Omid and Christa, but they could be anyone. Funny thing too is that both we and Clem presume the worst - if they're not Omid and Christa, then we assume they're probably dangerous. Its considered highly unlikely that there is decent people left. Nice sense of paranoia and distrust that the game instills.

There was some great scenes in Episode 5 - covering Clem with the zombie guts was necessary, but you'd still be angry that Clem was in a world where it was necessary for her to be covered in zombie guts to survive. Between the final scene and this, Episode 5 really hit you with the sense that you were letting Clem down - by dying, by not keeping her protected from the horrific nature of the world. I got a genuine laugh from the last scene - like others I reached for the baseball bat only to go "Oh yeah. Handcuffs. Way to go genius".

The ending summary really clarified what a dick Kenny was though.

Kenny:
- You defended his son in the drugstore
- You told him about your past
- You killed his son so he didn't have to

Katja
- You found water for Duck when he needed it

Duck
- You argued that he was not bitten back in Macon
- You let him be your sidekick to solve a mystery
- You shot him before he could turn

Yet, when I asked Kenny to come help find Clem: "I don't know Lee - if it was me asking you for your help, would you really be there for me?" Really Kenny, really?

I'm glad he didn't make it. I cant believe he was even an option to suggest as taking care of Clem after Lee was gone. Also, from the report above I'm glad I left Ben to die - my gut instinct that he would just get someone else killed was proven correct.

I did so little of those things for Kenny, mainly cos he was a dick. Only ones I did there was giving Duck water, argued he was not bitten and let him be your sidekick

bizmark

That final scene with clem was possibly the best of any game iv seen felt so bad for her like i left her down with every thing i had done dureing the game.

Kenny remained a dick to the end though glad i beat him up on the train now >_>

SeantheMan

Great voice acting by the cast.
I hope they get all the awards they are up for this year.

It would be amazing to see a game that is more a story-based interactive game win overall GOTY, as opposed to the same rehashed Call of Duty/Assasins Creed sequels that usually take it.

Zero-Cool

SeantheMan wrote: »

Great voice acting by the cast.
I hope they get all the awards they are up for this year.

bone-idle.ie will have more interviews up soon with the cast and crew behind the game.

Star Lord

bizmark wrote: »

That final scene with clem was possibly the best of any game iv seen felt so bad for her like i left her down with every thing i had done dureing the game.

Kenny remained a dick to the end though glad i beat him up on the train now >_>

That's probably why he was a dick in the end... I didn't, and he redeemed himself.

tcjpmcd

I completed the game the other day and to be honest it was super good.

I enjoyed the last episode as it showed some redemption of the characters and when ben stood up to kenny in the yard it made me go wow. The ending was sad and expected but very well done and now that clemantine has been told what to do and whatnot hopefully she will continue to survive in the next season.

Kudos to you, Telltale!

Kiith

Finished last night and loved it. Glad i kept Ben alive, and his argument with Kenny in Ep.5 was really well done, and gave his otherwise limited character some much needed depth. It changed the way Kenny acted towards him, and for me anyway, made Kenny sacrificing himself for Ben all the more poignant. Loved the ending as well, and was very sad. Lee and Clem were written really well, and it was kind of awful having to get Clem to shoot him.

Some fantastic moments in the game though.

1. Kenny killing Lennie. Wasn't ready for that. Was minding my own business, doing CPR when bam! Totally shocked me.
2. Finding Mark, legless, upstairs in the Diary. I knew they weren't trustworthy, but damn.
3. Lilly killing Carly. Wasn't expecting that either, and kind of hated Lilly after that. Hoped i was going to stab her with the pencil in the RV :pac:
4. Katja killing herself and having to shoot Duck.
5. The little boy in the attic. That was probably the saddest bit in the game for me, bar maybe the ending. And burying him afterwards with his dog

Was very surprised by the amount of people that decided to cut Lee's arm off though. I guess, knowing enough about the virus/infection, meant that i didn't see the point. But a lot of people probably hoped it would save him in the end.

Overall, a fantastic experience, and fair play to Telltale.

jaykhunter

Kiith wrote: »

Was very surprised by the amount of people that decided to cut Lee's arm off though.

Non-Game Walking Dead Spoilers :

That cutting off Hershel's leg in the TV show saved him this season could've influenced players - well it did me!

So big moments there. For me the boy in the attic didn't have as much emotional punch as the writers intended - mostly because we never met or knew the kid. I know he looked like Duck and so that was supposed to factor in but I didn't emotionally connect them together, it was just a random boy - a stranger in a sad situation.

ShadowHearth

Just finished it.

I can't believe it, but i did got a tear in the end. This game is just fantastic.

its a goty for me, and I will recommend anyone this game. It's fantastic. My hat off to developers. They got a preorder from me on any game they will release.

As for how I ended: I did let Ben die. Too many **** ups in my books. And I wanted to clock that bitch for going after that radio and then getting kenny killed.
I had my arm cut off too. The last part of the game was heart breaking .