your human rights and how to enforce them.

eolas2012

Has anyone listened to any of Dean Cliffords theory's about how we have no human rights (god given rights / natural law) under the state and all you need to do is learn them and how to enforce them to take the power back from that state to you. Interesting stuff but unfortunately not the kind of material they want on the legal forum here. Seems that sort of thing is a conspiracy theory to most people today :rolleyes:

check out these short videos of his more recent work, very interesting stuff....

he releases new info very regularly to keep people up to date with anything new that would be of use to others in enforcing their rights and putting the police state back into line.

Porkchop McGee

When the Blue Flu strikes, is it still a Police state?

Monty Burnz

Great, a new flavour of Freeman horsesh!t.

eolas2012

My post is regarding Deans work and his theory on how to enforce our inalienable human rights / natural god given.

blue flus, police states etc etc we can talk all day about and get no where, I would be interested in is people listening to the interviews and hearing their opinions on these lessons about taking full liability for our own actions, doing no harm to another soul or anything else for that matter, removing the childminder in our lives known as the Corporation of Ireland, taking back whats rightfully ours and living in peace with one another.

Thanks for the reply though.

Porkchop McGee wrote: »

When the Blue Flu strikes, is it still a Police state?

seamus

In order to claim god given rights, you would first need to prove that god exists and secondly show where, when and how he bestowed rights on us.

Monty Burnz

eolas2012 wrote: »

My post is regarding Deans work and his theory on how to enforce our inalienable human rights / natural god given.

blue flus, police states etc etc we can talk all day about and get no where, I would be interested in is people listening to the interviews and hearing their opinions on these lessons about taking full liability for our own actions, doing no harm to another soul or anything else for that matter, removing the childminder in our lives known as the Corporation of Ireland, taking back whats rightfully ours and living in peace with one another.

There is no 'Corporation of Ireland' and the world you think you want would be a nightmare for 99% of us. HTH.

Porkchop McGee

eolas2012 wrote: »

My post is regarding Deans work and his theory on how to enforce our inalienable human rights / natural god given.

blue flus, police states etc etc we can talk all day about and get no where, I would be interested in is people listening to the interviews and hearing their opinions on these lessons about taking full liability for our own actions, doing no harm to another soul or anything else for that matter, removing the childminder in our lives known as the Corporation of Ireland, taking back whats rightfully ours and living in peace with one another.

Thanks for the reply though.

Can you define what is 'rightfully ours' as you put it? This topic genuinely is of interest to me but a lot of the Police State stuff is pie in the sky.

eolas2012

seamus wrote: »

In order to claim god given rights, you would first need to prove that god exists and secondly show where, when and how he bestowed rights on us.

God exists in my world, not that I agree with religious cults of any kind but it also seems to exist in the lives of many others who attend church cults the largest ones in Ireland being the Roman Catholic and Protestant denominations, some of the wealthiest corporations on the planet have a god in their center, our constitution for the Corporation of Ireland, our oaths of office for public servants all have god central in their oath, optional yes but is there for us that believe in God .

For me I will ask you instead can you prove God does not exist because the overwhelming majority of people down through the ages have a belief in a divine creator and i do also, prove to me now god does not exist?

Opps! you cant so my belief stands backed up by, Ireland's corporation constitution recognition of where all authority of governance derives from, oaths of office swearing to god, case law of god given rights being defended, and really the most important thing my belief sworn out on a affidavit or affirmation (Lawful document of truth by me) rebutting any of your presumed assumptions of authority over the spiritual destiny of my life through my name given to me by my parents and my wish to live under the direction of gods law .

Irish Constitution first sentence.

"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom
is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all
actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,
Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our
Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our
fathers through centuries of trial,
Gratefully remembering their heroic and
unremitting struggle to regain the rightful
independence of our Nation,
And seeking to promote the common good, with
due observance of Prudence, Justice and Charity,
so that the dignity and freedom of the individual
may be assured, true social order attained, the
unity of our country restored, and concord
established with other nations,
Do hereby adopt, enact, and give to ourselves this
Constitution."


Garda Oath

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2005/en/act/pub/0020/sec0016.html#sec16

16.— (1) On being appointed, each member of the Garda Síochána shall make before a Peace Commissioner a declaration in the following form:
“I hereby solemnly and sincerely declare before God that—
• I will faithfully discharge the duties of a member of the Garda Síochána with fairness, integrity, regard for human rights, diligence and impartiality, upholding the Constitution and the laws and according equal respect to all people,
• while I continue to be a member, I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all my duties according to law, and
• I do not belong to, and will not while I remain a member form, belong to or subscribe to, any political party or secret society whatsoever.”.
(2) The words “before God” may be omitted from the declaration at the request of the declarant.



anyway you have the right not to believe in God yes by all means do but those that do believe in God get a whole lot more than what your nanny state can offer you in compensation for being a non believer. I'm not talking about a solely christian god here either (that requires vast more research by me to draw any conclusions to the story of Íosa Christ), your god can be the universe, nature whatever you like, take your pick and defend the rights that god gave you. And don't worry no one knows if you really do believe or not, a believer today not tomorrow, pick and choose as often as you wish....


rebutting presumptions is very easy watch the videos above.

Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law


The state or fact of being ignorant = lack of knowledge, education, or awareness.

Cure your ignorance, read, listen and learn.

We have become ignorant on this planet to incomprehensible extremes, getting pissed off with a member of an Gardai Síochána on the street or Judge isn't going to help you out, educate them too while on your journey here, it can only be a good thing making our ignorance a thing of the past.

eolas2012

Porkchop McGee wrote: »

Can you define what is 'rightfully ours' as you put it? This topic genuinely is of interest to me but a lot of the Police State stuff is pie in the sky.

yes that's easy its been written down for a very log time. it is in that book you swear on when your hauled into these commercial places of business known to us a court houses to tip you upside down and see how much money falls from your pockets.

Genesis 1:26-28 (New King James Version)

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[a] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Again I'm not saying I'm a bible believer I'm using a very old passage that was and is recognised to this day by vast geographical locations as the source of all authority. A testament is a persons will, the bible is Gods last will for his creations, again you don't have to believe this stuff, believe one day and not the next, your choice remember free will!.

Porkchop McGee

eolas2012 wrote: »

For me I will ask you instead can you prove God does not exist because the overwhelming majority of people down through the ages have a belief in a divine creator and i do also, prove to me now god does not exist?

Opps! you cant so my belief stands backed up by...

Sorry, but that logic is as flawed as a chocolate teapot. The existence of a deity can no more be proven than you can disprove the existence of Russel's teapot.

The "overwhelming majority..."? The earliest humans didn't start inventing religions until quite recently and belief in the christian deity you seem to be pointing to has lasted what is basically as long as the flap of a gnat's wing, in the grand scheme of things. Even then, this "belief" is not even shared by the majority of humans alive today, never min throughout the history of time.

For a conspiracy theorist and anti-corporation spieler, you certainly use a lot of American spelling which strikes me as a little odd.

Porkchop McGee

eolas2012 wrote: »

yes that's easy its been written down for a very log time. it is in that book you swear on when your hauled into these commercial places of business known to us a court houses to tip you upside down and see how much money falls from your pockets.

Genesis 1:26-28 (New King James Version)

26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all[a] the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Again I'm not saying I'm a bible believer I'm using a very old passage that was and is recognised to this day by vast geographical locations as the source of all authority. A testament is a persons will, the bible is Gods last will for his creations, again you don't have to believe this stuff, believe one day and not the next, your choice remember free will!.

You're referencing the bible? Fail.

Jonny7

eolas2012 wrote: »

God exists in my world

Some conspiracy theorists here may require hard evidence for that. Photographic proof and such.

seamus

I always love how modern governments and corporations must be attempting to take over and control us all, but a book written by bronze age farmers and revised and rewritten innumerable times by churches and preachers is infallible.

Jonny7

Time for Ricky Gervais quotes

The dictionary definition of God is “a supernatural creator and overseer of the universe.” Included in this definition are all deities, goddesses and supernatural beings. Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6,000 years ago, historians have cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities.

So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I’ll say “Oh which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra?…” If they say “Just God. I only believe in the one God,” I’ll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don’t believe in 2,870 gods, and they don’t believe in 2,869.

eolas2012

Porkchop McGee wrote: »

You're referencing the bible? Fail.

Watch the videos to rebut their presumed assumptions of authority you don't even need any of the details about God i just posted, but it helps alot, just learn how to stand up for yourself by asking simple questions, refute their position with questions of no lawful binding contact etc, like this.... where is the valuable consideration in these contracts that they lead us to believe we are tied into with them, we are the government, we give it its life, we own it, they are our administrative servants, you cant give me something I already own.... Do you understand that?



valuable consideration ~ In contract law consideration is required as an inducement to enter into a contract that is enforceable in the courts. It is an essential element for the formation of a contract.


Is there an Injured party present whom I have harmed? simple question with a blank face response followed by a barrage of their legal mumbo jumbo, in a language you don't even speak known as legalese in the legal world. Conduct your life with laws and lawful rights there is a big difference when you understand the two concepts. Read the following link to help you differentiate between what is legal and what is lawful.

http://www.tirnasaor.com/08/09/legal-vs-lawful/


I plead guilty to the facts! - facts in law are something that cant be disputed and are a FACT! charges which you are offered to plead guilty on the other hand can be torn apart piece by piece because they have no FACTS, all they have are unrebutted presumptions of your complete ignorance to what is happening before your eyes, and this has been working like this for a very long time now, it takes quite a while to change a race of people to this mind set of acceptance but you know the history of Ireland and its not pretty, they got these laws in eventually and got the people to accept their titles of ownership, along with the introduction of the education system to indoctrinate the young into believing this is normal in our society.



I've given up on getting angry with people who cant see from this view point, was very ignorant to all this myself recently.... ignorance is a stubborn disease that requires a very slow and encouraging response to combat.

.

eolas2012

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957447

Monty Burnz wrote: »

There is no 'Corporation of Ireland' and the world you think you want would be a nightmare for 99% of us. HTH.

Monty Burnz

eolas2012 wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055957447

Total bullsh!t.

Check out this video of a lion killing and eating another lion in a zoo...

What do you mean, that's not a lion?? It's in a lion enclosure, in a ZOO! Therefore it is a lion.

QED.

shedweller

seamus wrote: »

In order to claim god given rights, you would first need to prove that god exists and secondly show where, when and how he bestowed rights on us.

We could apply that rationale to another group of people in the middle east that are using gods word to cause genocide on another group. But thats for another thread.

Carry on!

hooradiation

eolas2012 wrote: »

check out these short videos of his more recent work, very interesting stuff....

Aside from how nonsensical the freeman theory is, I do enjoy the notion that you have no obligation to answer questions, because it's all covered in these short videos.
these "short videos" with a total play time of over six hours.

eolas2012

whats 6 hours in a life time? I know this all seems very confusing and hard to comprehend but its worth every moment spent understanding it, those videos make it almost fool proof to get through to the most hypnotised and ignorant people out there in TV land. Switch it off for a night, sit back listen and learn.

So simple yet so hard eh......

hooradiation wrote: »

Aside from how nonsensical the freeman theory is, I do enjoy the notion that you have no obligation to answer questions, because it's all covered in these short videos.
these "short videos" with a total play time of over six hours.

Monty Burnz

eolas2012 wrote: »

whats 6 hours in a life time? I know this all seems very confusing and hard to comprehend but its worth every moment spent understanding it, those videos make it almost fool proof to get through to the most hypnotised and ignorant people out there in TV land. Switch it off for a night, sit back listen and learn.

So simple yet so hard eh......

It's not hard to comprehend unless you are hard of thinking. It's easy to see that it's a pile of horsecrap based on even more horsecrap.

eolas2012

I guess i watched Irish or should I say American TV for too long on our public RTE broadcaster, least i don't sound like one when i speak, that I'm aware of anyway...

Porkchop McGee wrote: »

For a conspiracy theorist and anti-corporation spieler, you certainly use a lot of American spelling which strikes me as a little odd.

eolas2012

Thank you for agreeing with me, and yes your are right the system they created for us, to strip away our natural rights is one big stinking pile of horsecrap....

Monty Burnz wrote: »

It's not hard to comprehend unless you are hard of thinking. It's easy to see that it's a pile of horsecrap based on even more horsecrap.

humanji

seamus wrote: »

In order to claim god given rights, you would first need to prove that god exists and secondly show where, when and how he bestowed rights on us.

It also gets more complicated if you can actually prove that a god exists. In this country, most of the Freeman stuff is based on the existence of the Christian god. But if he exists, then he exists as is in the Bible. He is omnipotent and omnipresent. He knows everything, including everything that has been and everything that will be.

There in lies the rub. If he already knows how we will live our lives, then we have no choice in the matter or free will. If we have no free will, then we cannot have been given any rights by God, as rights are based upon the choice to use them.

Then there's the argument that it's not necessarily the Christian god who gives us these rights, which begs the questions "which god did?". Without further information as to which of all the billions of gods out there gave us these rights, can we even say that we actually have these rights? The answer is no.

So if we don't have god given rights, what about these natural rights? Well, nature doesn't bestow rights on anything. I'm not sure if I need to take this further, as it's common sense. A starving lion isn't going to recognise my right to live anymore than my right to drive wherever I want.

And that leaves us with human rights. And these are the most spurious of all, within the confines of the Freeman movement, because they are man made constructs. It is humans who decided what they were, and if they will be followed. We supposedly have the right to life, but we still die. So if we have no control over the most essential right, what's the purpose of having others when we also have no control over them? Human rights mean diddly-squat as long as not everyone on the planet accepts them. And even then, we're still going to die.

So, in short, we don't actually have any rights except for those that other humans have bestowed upon us and which they choose to respect.

But all this is rendered completely moot because the whole point of the Freeman movement is to abuse a system when you don't want to give into it, but to still allow you to take what you can from it.

Monty Burnz

eolas2012 wrote: »

Thank you for agreeing with me, and yes your are right the system they created for us, to strip away our natural rights is one big stinking pile of horsecrap....

Do you have any other 'evidence' that Ireland is a corporation that trumps my evidence that a heron is a lion?

Jonny7

I remember studying this way back in philosophy, the "state of nature" is a good place to start for those interested, Hobbes, Hume

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_nature

eolas2012

I like George Carlins comedy too, the divine plan sketch was quite funny alright, and yes what is the point in praying if there is a divine plan, or as he states if every run down schmuck with a 2 dollar pray book can f**k up your plan, but i guess aside from comedy these courts and governments are far from funny a cancerous disease on our land causing deaths and untold damage to us the Irish people, that must be cured for the dignity of our once proud people. Somehow believing and demanding recognition of your beliefs in a supreme being results in no control from their side. Great!

Anyway i can harp on here ad nauseum to ye fine people but the church did that here for how long and look at the mess it made, if anyone has any questions on the lessons in the videos fire them up and see if we can get some teased out solutions, but the god conversation is over, I believe in a creator who gave me these rights you don't, enjoy your childminding experience for your time on this planet and hopefully the next time your back here you might figure it all out.

Speaking of George Carlin check out his "save the planet rant" now that is comedy gold.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

There in lies the rub. If he already knows how we will live our lives, then we have no choice in the matter or free will. If we have no free will, then we cannot have been given any rights by God, as rights are based upon the choice to use them.

.

Monty Burnz

eolas2012 wrote: »

Anyway i can harp on here ad nauseum to ye fine people but the church did that here for how long and look at the mess it made, if anyone has any questions on the lessons in the videos fire them up and see if we can get some teased out solutions

Question 1: Isn't the whole Freeman thing based on a set of ridiculous and blatantly incorrect premises? (e.g the whole 'law of the sea' rubbish, Countries as corporations etc.)

eolas2012

You keep playing with your Lions Monty and leave the rest us to figure out the important stuff that has us all enslaved.

again watch the videos and reply back, that's what this thread discussion was supposed to be about.

here was last nights broadcast on Jurisdiction a very if not the most important concept to fully understand in your mind.

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Do you have any other 'evidence' that Ireland is a corporation that trumps my evidence that a heron is a lion?

Monty Burnz

eolas2012 wrote: »

You keep playing with your Lions Monty and leave the rest us to figure out the important stuff that has us all enslaved.

again watch the videos and reply back, that's what this thread discussion was supposed to be about.

So you can't answer the most basic of questions and would rather people invest valuable time and energy in this nonsense without even addressing them? :rolleyes:

You heard the man folks - don't ask any hard questions, just switch off your brain and follow the leader to 'freedom'...

humanji

You've posted over 8hrs worth of videos. You're going to have to give a damned good reason for people to watch them, because right now it sounds just like everything in the previous Freeman thread, (which was already debunked), but in another format.

If you only want to post links without having to discuss them, then put them in the links thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055815602

eolas2012

yes switch off your brain this evening, switch on your TV sit back and listen to the mindless ramblings of a Fontline, Prime Time, Vincent Brown etc program, a distraction for you all to argue about in work the following day and ensure your attention is firmly focused in the wrong direction.

And of course remember everybody : YOUR GOVERNMENT LOVES YOU ALL VERY MUCH :rolleyes:

watch the videos then comment.

Sin é!

Monty Burnz wrote: »

So you can't answer the most basic of questions and would rather people invest valuable time and energy in this nonsense without even addressing them? :rolleyes:

You heard the man folks - don't ask any hard questions, just switch off your brain and follow the leader to 'freedom'...

eolas2012

they are surprisingly easy to listen to once you start, 8 hrs would be like a few fair city, eastenders, emerdale, home and away, cornation street, holly oaks, friends etc etc episodes.

but point noted and no more links will be posted unless there is a genuine discussion started on them.

Thanks...

Slán go fóill.....

humanji wrote: »

You've posted over 8hrs worth of videos. You're going to have to give a damned good reason for people to watch them, because right now it sounds just like everything in the previous Freeman thread, (which was already debunked), but in another format.

If you only want to post links without having to discuss them, then put them in the links thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055815602

hooradiation

eolas2012 wrote: »

whats 6 hours in a life time? I know this all seems very confusing and hard to comprehend but its worth every moment spent understanding it, those videos make it almost fool proof to get through to the most hypnotised and ignorant people out there in TV land. Switch it off for a night, sit back listen and learn.

So simple yet so hard eh......

Or maybe I could not waste my goddamn time until you've demonstrated that it actually worth my time.
Hell, I don't even have six hours between finishing work and bed, so I'd rather not spend that time watching videos on the say so of someone who cannot seem to answer a singular question put to them.

FISMA

seamus wrote: »

In order to claim god given rights, you would first need to prove that god exists and secondly show where, when and how he bestowed rights on us.

Seamus,
Before scientifically proving anything, have you a scientific test to demonstrate that your memory is working properly?

eolas2012

A recent interview with Dean Clifford on TNS radio, there is some interesting stuff said on this show,

Seán– From my point of view Dean does that not mean we are going to be held in contempt?

Dean–
Absolutely not! And here’s the most important reason why, this is the second part of the answer, I keep telling people that before you show up at court, you should have already won, which means you should have already have documents filed with the clerk and if the clerk would not accept your filings then you send them in registered mail to the director of the courts along with a criminal complaint that the clerks refused to take your paper work when you went down there with it, or they tried to tell you what you can and cannot file, or affidavits don’t go into the court file, some of the stupid **** they say but then people just believe it, they are just hoping you go oh that guy actually believed that you don’t file affidavits into the court file. Well of course you do! Where the **** else would you put them?!
But if they can make you believe their horse **** then it stands so you have to get all you paper work in before you even show up for court and you have to default whoever your adversary is. We call them Crown Attorneys over here (State Solicitors in Ireland). You got to default them before you get there, which is get them not to reply to a number of facts that you’re claiming and then you can actually motion for dismissal right away.
And here’s the most important thing that I've rephrased recently so that more people can understand the meaning by when I say they have to correct their status before they go to the court room, because status is everything in the legal system, what is your TITLE, because according to the common law / natural law were all just man (mankind), but in the legal system we have titles, man doesn't mean anything, so it comes down to titles, What TITLE do you hold?
This is important, it’s the same reason where say for instance Hockey, it’s not important what the name that’s on the jersey, what’s important is what position does he play, what is the title, that’s what is important in the game of Hockey, well that’s Bob, that doesn't do alot of good or he’s a man, but what position does he play on the ice? Well he’s the center oh OK he’s the centerman now I know who he is in regards to this game, now I know his TITLE, his position and what he’s supposed to be doing on the ice....
This is no different to when you’re in court and when it comes to your person. Now their courts operate on presumptions and they are presuming that you’re the lowliest sack of **** janitor that exists in the legal system when you walk in there because that’s who they have summoned, they have summoned you in a certain capacity and if you were to equate it to corporate law, they have summoned the janitor and when you show up there and say I’m a man, well of course you’re a man, all janitors are man, somebody has to do the janitorial position.
Everybody that works in a corporation is man, they all have different titles. Like when you work at a corporation you get different promotions do you ever get a promotion to ‘man’? Do you ever get a promotion to the title of ‘Bob’ your name? NO! You become the director of marketing or sales associated director or something, you have a title. So that’s where everybody is going wrong you can’t go into a court room and say ‘ I'm a man and I have rights!’
That’s not what’s going on in the court room, you’re in the legal system and there is charges and they have summoned you in a certain capacity and you’re not going to like that capacity, but then everything you have done in your life has lead them to believe that’s the TITLE you carry within their organisation and that is one of the trustees, your one of the trustees which is a Roman civil officer and everybody that’s ever been charged if you go look at the actual charging instrument, the instrument that is the actual charge your first name is going to be spelled in upper and lower case and your last name is going to be spelled in all capitals, and that’s Capitis Diminutio Media, That’s a Roman civil officer or agent of the Crown. (Firstname LASTNAME)
So whoever has brought you into court is claiming that you’re one of their officers, that’s the TITLE you hold, so you have no human rights, you cannot claim human rights, I have case law to support that.
So the first thing you have to do is correct who you are and let the court know your adversary has made false claim against you and you’re not there to appear in the capacity they have summoned you in because that's not who you are. I am not an officer of the Crown, I am not an agent of the Crown, and I do not work for the government. If you have established that before you already get there by sending registered mail to the Crown clarifying that and giving them 30 days to reply otherwise they default and they have agreed with you that you are not one of their officers and you go and you file that into the court before you get there, well you just really ****ed some **** up to do with their case, because now there’s no cause of action they have no presumptions that they can operate on, you have just rebutted everything they have no jurisdiction and when I mean that I don’t mean the court has no jurisdiction, I mean the Crown has no Jurisdiction to bring you into that court and you let them know that the only reason you even showed up is because you are of the understanding that if you didn't show up there, they would simply send police officers out to arrest you and kick your teeth in and the next time you’d be there in hand cuffs. So you're just there to correct the record and that is it. You’re in court under duress and intimidation.

http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum/topics/subject-matter-jurisdiction-court-room-procedure-etc-dean

asherbassad

Monty Burnz wrote: »

There is no 'Corporation of Ireland' and the world you think you want would be a nightmare for 99% of us. HTH.

So 1 man out of 6,000,000,000 (that's 0.00000000016667%) speaks for 99%.

asherbassad

Porkchop McGee wrote: »

Sorry, but that logic is as flawed as a chocolate teapot. The existence of a deity can no more be proven than you can disprove the existence of Russel's teapot.

The "overwhelming majority..."? The earliest humans didn't start inventing religions until quite recently and belief in the christian deity you seem to be pointing to has lasted what is basically as long as the flap of a gnat's wing, in the grand scheme of things. Even then, this "belief" is not even shared by the majority of humans alive today, never min throughout the history of time.

For a conspiracy theorist and anti-corporation spieler, you certainly use a lot of American spelling which strikes me as a little odd.

I agree with you on the deity thing Porky. Absent an explanation for certain phenomena the human creature will invent an explanation. Rumours and fears shared amongst many will copperfasten these "beliefs".
Exposure of these fallacies will usually be met with derision, violence and often misery and depression.
An old lady who has been conned out of thousands will sooner hope to recoup it by spending even more than by admitting she was swindled. It's the comfort in time of crisis episode.

But I would probably say that humans have always had some form of belief going back millenia. Even cave men would have thought that rainbows and volcanoes and shooting stars and frozen ponds were the work of supernatural forces beyond their comprehension.

JustinDee

You don't "enforce" civil rights, by the way. In poster's context, you invoke them.

eolas2012

JustinDee wrote: »

You don't "enforce" civil rights, by the way. In poster's context, you invoke them.

you're right there, civil rights are granted by the state and can be revoked at any time so you invoke them by appealing to the granting body (the state), human rights are inherent rights that exist because you're a human and you enforce these because they are being trampled on 24/7, you don't appeal to have inherent rights invoked, stand on your rights, enforce them or loose them...

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase is meant to exemplify the "unalienable rights" with which all human beings are endowed by their Creator and for the protection of which they institute governments.

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eolas2012 wrote: »

you're right there, civil rights are granted by the state and can be removed at any time so you invoke them by appealing to the granting body (the state), human rights are inherent rights that exist because you're a human and you enforce these because they are being trampled on 24/7, you don't appeal to have inherent rights invoked, stand on your rights, enforce them or loose them...

Nice idea but what happens when reality happens and two humans disagree on what exactly human rights are?

eolas2012 wrote: »

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence. The phrase is meant to exemplify the "unalienable rights" with which all human beings are endowed by their Creator and for the protection of which they institute governments.

this was copied directly from the wiki page so I have no idea if you are familiar with the Declaration of Independence, an intersiting thing to consider is that when that when it was written that all human beings have "unalienable rights" slavery was still ongoing.

Looks like "human rights" only apply to the people that matter.