Opinions on soreness after training

Hailhail1967

So just looking for peoples opinions in general.

If you are training in either a class or with a trainer one on one. With the goal of loosing weight and getting in shape. How pissed off would you be if you woke up one of the mornings after a session and your legs were in bits. Could hardly walk up or down the stairs for a couple of days. Not talking about the first session here, maybe 5 or 6 sessions in.

What would your response be or how would you feel about that trainer/coach/adviser?

WHIP IT!

Hailhail1967 wrote: »

So just looking for peoples opinions in general.

If you are training in either a class or with a trainer one on one. With the goal of loosing weight and getting in shape. How pissed off would you be if you woke up one of the mornings after a session and your legs were in bits. Could hardly walk up or down the stairs for a couple of days. Not talking about the first session here, maybe 5 or 6 sessions in.

What would your response be or how would you feel about that trainer/coach/adviser?

You should be over the moon - that just means it's working... assuming of course, we're just talking about muscle fatigue here & ye haven't got a slipped disc or a broken leg or something!

Hailhail1967

WHIP IT! wrote: »

You should be over the moon - that just means it's working... assuming of course, we're just talking about muscle fatigue here & ye haven't got a slipped disc or a broken leg or something!

ha ha no "just" muscle soreness/doms or whatever you like to call it.

Hanley

Jesus. I'd REALLY hate to have to work with someone like that. I don't know if it's intentional, but your attitude comes across as extremely negative and combative.

If I was riddled every single day after training for months on end, I'd be complaining. But if it's your first few sessions in and you're doing new things - deal with it. You don't get in great shape without great effort.

Stench Blossoms

I'd be absolutely delighted

You'll miss that pain.

Michael 09

I'm not sure if this is a serious question?

You think that you only hurt after your first 2-3 sessions and then it's easy? God help your trainer

btkm8unsl0w5r4

DOMS is the reward for hard work not punishment. 12 months into training and when I get the doms bad I know I have pushed my body beyond its comfort point and that things are changing. No doms means just another workout where I didnt push hard enough.

You should buy your trainer a present IMHO.

Hailhail1967

Kingsley Howling Barnyard wrote: »

DOMS is the reward for hard work not punishment. 12 months into training and when I get the doms bad I know I have pushed my body beyond its comfort point and that things are changing. No doms means just another workout where I didnt push hard enough.

You should buy your trainer a present IMHO.

ha ha I may have worded my original post a tad wrong and thus maybe the responses are biased. But thanks, i'll buy myself a present ha ha.

I am the trainer. I have a fair few clients and run a couple of classes and i often get the "god I was in bits yesterday" response but its very rarely meant in a negative way. I was just taken aback this week by a client who was not impressed one bit. In fact they gave me an ultimatum which did not please me personally :-) Now I am not ignorant enough to fob this off in any way, nor is my goal to have people sore or run them into the ground. But I just wanted some other (random) peoples opinions on how they would feel if they were sore after a session.

btkm8unsl0w5r4

Hailhail1967 wrote: »

ha ha I may have worded my original post a tad wrong and thus maybe the responses are biased. But thanks, i'll buy myself a present ha ha.

I am the trainer. I have a fair few clients and run a couple of classes and i often get the "god I was in bits yesterday" response but its very rarely meant in a negative way. I was just taken aback this week by a client who was not impressed one bit. In fact they gave me an ultimatum which did not please me personally :-) Now I am not ignorant enough to fob this off in any way, nor is my goal to have people sore or run them into the ground. But I just wanted some other (random) peoples opinions on how they would feel if they were sore after a session.

Ah....right so. Well I was told at the start that the Doms was my body changing and getting stronger. I always took comfort in that while trying to wobble down stairs, tie my shoes or the other tasks that the Doms make impossible. If I complained enough I would get a 30 minutes supervised session on the foam roller, that shut me up.

Oryx

I like doms pain. It means I did a good training session. I reckon someone who complains about it just doesnt have the head for hard exercise, or doesnt understand what goes on with your body when you do exercises you havent done before. (But I bet theyll complain if they dont get results). Did you try explaining that it is completely normal and to be expected?

My kettlebell instructor always asks how everyone was after the previous class. He can never hide his glee if we say 'buckled'. Its like a running joke. (Dont get me wrong, he is one of the most careful instructors Ive come across).

Spiritual

Folks, Is what the OP describes not symptomatic of a poor warm up and cool down?
I ask because I was sufferring like this early on but once I put more thought into my warm up and down it improved greatly. I train alone so and the instructors in my gym are, to put it politely, confusing, so I kinda have to go it alone.

Thud

if they are new to exercise and hadn't experienced DOMs before it could be easy for them to think they were being injured by what they were doing, prob just need to explain it's not to them

Thud

Spiritual wrote: »

Folks, Is what the OP describes not symptomatic of a poor warm up and cool down?
I ask because I was sufferring like this early on but once I put more thought into my warm up and down it improved greatly. I train alone so and the instructors in my gym are, to put it politely, confusing, so I kinda have to go it alone.

don't think so, had a leg injury which prevented me from squatting for a while went back last week and even with full and careful warm up/down and foam rolling was riddled with DOMs afterwards

LeinsterDub

Hailhail1967 wrote: »

S With the goal of loosing weight and getting in shape.

I assume you've looked at your diet?

kensutz

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I assume you've looked at your diet?

I assume you haven't read the whole thread and realise he's the trainer and not the trainee.

Hailhail1967

Spiritual wrote: »

Folks, Is what the OP describes not symptomatic of a poor warm up and cool down?
I ask because I was sufferring like this early on but once I put more thought into my warm up and down it improved greatly. I train alone so and the instructors in my gym are, to put it politely, confusing, so I kinda have to go it alone.

Well as I sit here in absolute pain myself, I can assure you warm ups or cool downs had no effect on me :-). Although cool downs in a particular will have little effect on soreness in reality anyway.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

I assume you've looked at your diet?

Think my diet is pretty good :-)

AGAIN SORRY, I AM THE TRAINER

There is plenty more to this story I was just looking for some random opinions which I am getting, so thank you very much.

Spiritual

Hailhail1967 wrote: »

Well as I sit here in absolute pain myself, I can assure you warm ups or cool downs had no effect on me :-). Although cool downs in a particular will have little effect on soreness in reality anyway.

It's all personal I suppose. I find that a good warm-up/warm down routine has greatly reduced any after training pains I may experience. Maybe your trainee needs to look at their preparation for the session ahead. Hydration, stretching, I know I was making these mistakes early on.

COH

Some people expect it to hurt, others don't. I tell any and every client that if its going to work then invariably its going to hurt in some capacity, nature of the beast. If you train them and neglect to tell them what to expect then I'm sure some people will react badly to this new and terrible thing you've inflicted upon them!

If after a month you're met with the same hostility then I'd suggest you stop working with them. I'm quite selective about who I work with - My guys know what I'm about and know what to expect. If they aren't prepared to mirror the effort I put into their training then I'm happy to recommend that they work with someone else.

Sorcha16

Any accomplished sportsperson knows that DOMS is part and parcel of high-intensity training. I think I'd be more concerned if I wasn't feeling the effects the following day and taking it as a sign to up the ante

DipStick McSwindler

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Hailhail1967

COH wrote: »

If after a month you're met with the same hostility then I'd suggest you stop working with them. I'm quite selective about who I work with - My guys know what I'm about and know what to expect. If they aren't prepared to mirror the effort I put into their training then I'm happy to recommend that they work with someone else.

Right or wrong that's my own thinking and not on a very basic level but considering a whole pile of factors from the individual.

I don't use being sore as a guide to how hard a session was, that would be silly, but my clients are well aware that sometimes exercise causes them to be sore.

Hailhail1967

Spiritual wrote: »

It's all personal I suppose. I find that a good warm-up/warm down routine has greatly reduced any after training pains I may experience. Maybe your trainee needs to look at their preparation for the session ahead. Hydration, stretching, I know I was making these mistakes early on.

Every session has a proper warm up, cool down and stretching, I was just trying to say this wouldn't be the reason in this case but I do understand what your saying obviously.

Will Heffernan

COH wrote: »

Some people expect it to hurt, others don't. I tell any and every client that if its going to work then invariably its going to hurt in some capacity, nature of the beast. If you train them and neglect to tell them what to expect then I'm sure some people will react badly to this new and terrible thing you've inflicted upon them!

If after a month you're met with the same hostility then I'd suggest you stop working with them. I'm quite selective about who I work with - My guys know what I'm about and know what to expect. If they aren't prepared to mirror the effort I put into their training then I'm happy to recommend that they work with someone else.

This is why I tell people they will get fatter, slower and weaker and that it will get worse before it gets better...that way no matter how low they go they think that awesomeness is just around the corner.

Spiritual

Hailhail1967 wrote: »

Every session has a proper warm up, cool down and stretching, I was just trying to say this wouldn't be the reason in this case but I do understand what your saying obviously.

I have no doubt your sessions are well managed. I am just giving an opinion from the trainee point. They may not be putting in the preparation and then as a consequence projecting the blame for the pain on to you. When I started training I was neglecting something as simple as proper hydration.

LivingInColour

You need to manage their expectations.

The very first time I lifted weights was in a PT session with a bodybuilder. My ex had to tie my hair up for me the next morning, because I literally could not lift my arms above my head; it didn't motivate me...it made me want to give up. The reason being, I had no proof it worked and I wasn't expecting it to be in that much pain! I've had serious DOMS from sessions since, but I look at it with a completely different frame of mind now so it doesn't phase me.

Don't bull****. Don't dress it up. Tell them they're going to be fat for a while and it'll get worse before it gets better. Yes it will fcuking hurt and no it doesn't get better, because when it stops hurting you start working harder - and it hurts again. But it gets to a stage where you look forward to the feeling of a savage workout, because you're seeing results and you know it's working. It's your job to keep them motivated until that happens.

WHIP IT!

In fairness to the OP's client... the first time I ever joined a gym, I did so with my GAA team about eight years ago. We were given (what I now realise was a fairly rubbish) generic programme involving cardio followed my various weight-machine exercises... the following night after our first session, I awoke in the middle of the night in excruciating pain and almost got meself in a panic cos I thought something was seriously wrong... everywhere hurt - arms, legs, back, you name it... I had never heard of DOMS in my life and had no idea that starting some kind of resistance training would shock the muscles the way it did...

So, if ya don't know what you're in for, I s'pose, what else are you going to think except: "The Trainer Broke Me!!" :pac:

Hailhail1967

Well to be honest, I explained this phenomenon to the client well in advance as I always do, because often people do feel sore after an initial session and I also was very inquisitive about the after effects of other sessions. So its not a case of not understanding whats going on to be honest.