dog cut

terminator2

was out for a walk yesterday with spunk , one of my springers ripped herself on barbed wire , had a bit of an argument with the local vet the last time about her prices , anyway brought her home washed and cleaned the wound , spunk held her while i stitched her up , called up to a local farmer for some of that blue antiseptic spray , he opened a drawer in his house he gave me an antibiotic for her and a can of blue antiseptic spray , i asked him what i owed him he said , "you dont owe me anything "........the vet told me i owed her €250:eek::eek: the last time....anyway thanks pat , a bottle of brandy heading your way.....spunk sorry...nothing left 4 u :D

daithi55

something similar happened to a dog of mine a few years ago... she was in cover and started yelping like mad and ran from the cover.. i checked her immediately but could see nothing thought she got electricuted or bitten by something etc
headed on home anyway fed the dog and the usual... got up tyhe next morning to et the bitch and she didnt seem herself anyway threw her in the booth and went again for a shot... when i opened the booth she was sitting down on her arse but her head high... i could see right into her groin and here was a nice tear right up in the corner... it had started to get infected from dirt... brought her to the vet for cleaning and stitching but the same as yourself 300 euro for doing a small procedure

terminator2

myself and spunk are putting together a first aid kit for the dogs ...... for minor cuts etc that most hunting dogs will get from time to time

SeaFields

I cant put my finger on it right now but I heard somewhere before that inject-able antibiotics for sheep/cattle can be toxic for dogs (if thats what the farmer gave you). Sorry cant be more specific but maybe do a google on it if that's the type you got.

Fair play on fixing her up

nowwerehurlin

terminator2 wrote: »

myself and spunk are putting together a first aid kit for the dogs ...... for minor cuts etc that most hunting dogs will get from time to time

How did you stitch the dog and with what ? Have you a medical background ? Just wondering .. Always interested in ways to save a big amount of cash that can be spent on other aspects of shooting!

owelfisherman

nowwerehurlin wrote: »

How did you stitch the dog and with what ? Have you a medical background ? Just wondering .. Always interested in ways to save a big amount of cash that can be spent on other aspects of shooting!

Out the other morn and the dog got a nast cut on his ear.the blood was pouring out so brought her home and washed out the cut.the i put a bandage on and the bleeding had stoped when i checked that night
i was thinking of carying a first aid kit myself

owelfisherman

owelfisherman wrote: »

Out the other morn and the dog got a nast cut on his ear.the blood was pouring out so brought her home and washed out the cut.the i put a bandage on and the bleeding had stoped when i checked that night

Pic of dog

terminator2

i used fishing braid and a curved needle there was a small bit of puss tonight but its healing nicely ,.........as you can see from the photo im bieng watched

terminator2

SeaFields wrote: »

I cant put my finger on it right now but I heard somewhere before that inject-able antibiotics for sheep/cattle can be toxic for dogs (if thats what the farmer gave you). Sorry cant be more specific but maybe do a google on it if that's the type you got.

Fair play on fixing her up

injected her with pen strep 2.5 ml .....its what the vet used on her the last time , .5ml per 5kgs of body weight

terminator2

nowwerehurlin wrote: »

How did you stitch the dog and with what ? Have you a medical background ? Just wondering .. Always interested in ways to save a big amount of cash that can be spent on other aspects of shooting!

i dont have a medical background , if i thought i was out of my depth ide call a vet , that penstrep is €18 a bottle and it used on dogs and cats as well as cattle and sheep

meoklmrk91

terminator2 wrote: »

i used fishing braid and a curved needle there was a small bit of puss tonight but its healing nicely ,.........as you can see from the photo im bieng watched

I am assuming you also know how to practice aseptic technique and completely sterilised what you used, because otherwise you could kill your animal. Also there should be no pus, that indicates bacteria in the wound, tissue could heal five, but it could also become necrotic or you could kill the dog with septicaemia. I assume you also at the very least used local anaesthetic when stitching the dog up, otherwise that is cruelty.

Also where are you injected the dog, I.V, I.M or Subcut? Because depending on which one you could A kill the dog or B be breaking the law.

If you have an issue with your vet charging too much, change vets, don't decide that you have the capabilities of someone who studied for 6 years plus to do what they do.

howya mike

Yeah he's so cruel for trying to save his dog- cop on lad. I used super glue a few times and dogs fine albeit she sticks to things now and again. Six years in college so that justifies screwing everybody that comes in their door.**** that. Well done terminator.

terminator2

anything i brought down to that vet died , she has a p**s poor record with me , how much do you charge per stitch roughly €100 would that be about right

terminator2

she was injected im , and a few of ye cash cowboys should be investigated ...........for fraud ,

meoklmrk91

howya mike wrote: »

Yeah he's so cruel for trying to save his dog- cop on lad. I used super glue a few times and dogs fine albeit she sticks to things now and again. Six years in college so that justifies screwing everybody that comes in their door.**** that. Well done terminator.

I never said he was cruel, just that it would be if he didn't use local anaesthetic. So those are your words not mine. Also super glue is toxic so I wouldn't be using that to close wounds.

I know plenty of vets that screw customers over, so I just don't go there, I have a few that I go to now that are very reasonable, at it certainly woundnt be anywhere near €250 to get a wound stitched, that is a rip off. There are plenty of vets out there that don't rip off customers, build up a relationship with them and they will waive consult fees or give you drug samples to save you money.

meoklmrk91

terminator2 wrote: »

she was injected im , and a few of ye cash cowboys should be investigated ...........for fraud ,

Oh I'm not a vet at all, training to be a vet nurse but definitely not a vet. I have been ripped off by vets as well, I know where you are coming from, but I also have 3 vets I use in my local area that are very good, often times I have had my consult fees waived. Or have been given stuff for free. They don't just do it for me either.

Seriously I understand where you are coming from, I'm not attacking you, I'm just trying to give the point of view that you could do some serious damage here thinking you are doing good, or not everything could be fine, but because you are not trained in the field then you can't really know. You will get good and bad in every profession, don't tar everyone in the profession with the same brush.

owelfisherman

howya mike wrote: »

Yeah he's so cruel for trying to save his dog- cop on lad. I used super glue a few times and dogs fine albeit she sticks to things now and again. Six years in college so that justifies screwing everybody that comes in their door.**** that. Well done terminator.

Super glue?would you patch yourself up with that?

howya mike

Usually when hunting dogs get injured they are a long way from a vet so as the saying goes desperate times call for desperate measures so if that means using super glue to heal up a wound quickly that's what I'll do. Also as I wouldn't be able to afford vet fees I'd do the same as spunk. Mightn't sound right to you but it would be cruel if he didn't give a **** and did nothing. Also how much money would you have to spend first before you build up a relationship with a vet before they would wave consultancy fees? Doesn't make any sense.

howya mike

owelfisherman wrote: »

Super glue?would you patch yourself up with that?

I'm sure if I had to I would. As I said above desperate times call for desperate measures.

owelfisherman

howya mike wrote: »

Usually when hunting dogs get injured they are a long way from a vet so as the saying goes desperate times call for desperate measures so if that means using super blue to heal up a wound quickly that's what I'll do. Also as I wouldn't be able to afford vet fees I'd do the same as spunk. Mightn't sound right to you but it would be cruel if he didn't give a **** and did nothing. Also how much money would you have to spend first before you build up a relationship with a vet before they would wave any fees? Doesn't make any sense.

Im good freinds with a vet lad.does the cattle too so im sure u see the conection.as your man said superglue is toxic.and how would the wound heal?depends on the wound but ivd used spray plaster it stings for a bit but it works well.

meoklmrk91

howya mike wrote: »

Usually when hunting dogs get injured they are a long way from a vet so as the saying goes desperate times call for desperate measures so if that means using super blue to heal up a wound quickly that's what I'll do. Also as I wouldn't be able to afford vet fees I'd do the same as spunk. Mightn't sound right to you but it would be cruel if he didn't give a **** and did nothing. Also how much money would you have to spend first before you build up a relationship with a vet before they would wave any fees? Doesn't make any sense.

I saw a dog this week in for the second time, heart murmur and cogestive problems, dog is on 3 types of medication, vet gave the owner one type for free as she had a sample from the company, saved the owner a good bit of money. The good ones do their job because the enjoy it not because they enjoy ripping people off.

Also would you please stop using superglue on your dog, it is toxic, you could be damaging their kidneys and liver as well as having other effects everytime you use it. All that money your saving everytime she gets a cut you'll have we'll spent out when toxicity builds up. I'm sorry but this is the kind of thing that gives hunters a bad name, if you can't afford to take your dog to the vet then you shouldn't have one.

howya mike

Well she's 10 years old now and still hunting. Believe it or not it was a vet that told the oul lad years ago to always have with him in case of emergency.

howya mike

When you get off your high horse there answer me this:
Would it be cruel to let a dog bleed out or try whatever possible to stop the bleeding by whatever means available.
If I can't afford to bring a dog to the vet then I shouldn't have one. What sort of bull**** thing is that to say when people are struggling to put food on the table and pay bills. People have been forced to rob food just to feed their family never mind being forced by vets to pay extortionate fees. As i said if we did nothing that would be cruel. "This is the type of thing that gives hunters a bad name" yeah sure we are so bad for trying to save our animals and reacting fast to relieve the stress they are going through. Take your head out of the clouds.

juice1304

If a vet refuses to treat your dog you can sue him.
I would never try and glue or sow a wound it is asking for trouble and trying to justify it is just retarded.:rolleyes: Yes vets are expensive but for me anyway the money would'nt matter my dogs mean more to me than that and i have more respect for them.

howya mike

Good man Juice. Glad you can afford it. Unfortunately my children come first and thankfully I've only had to do it once in ten years and I reacon she'd have bled out if I did nothing but not being a "retard" and because my dog means so much to me I did what I had to and she' still here. The "retarded" thing to have done was say I have to much respect for you to try and save your life with a dab of super glue and let her die.

John_Rambo

howya mike wrote: »

When you get off your high horse there answer me this:
Would it be cruel to let a dog bleed out or try whatever possible to stop the bleeding by whatever means available.
If I can't afford to bring a dog to the vet then I shouldn't have one. What sort of bull**** thing is that to say when people are struggling to put food on the table and pay bills. People have been forced to rob food just to feed their family never mind being forced by vets to pay extortionate fees. As i said if we did nothing that would be cruel. "This is the type of thing that gives hunters a bad name" yeah sure we are so bad for trying to save our animals and reacting fast to relieve the stress they are going through. Take your head out of the clouds.

Amateur dramatics, amateur vet. Apply direct pressure, tape up the wound with surgical tape and bring the dog to the vet, explain your circumstances and work out a reasonable payment scheme.

OR.

Beg, borrow the money to get to Dublin to the Blue Cross.

Stop superglueing your dogs injuries before you do more damage.

Knucklebreaker

meoklmrk91 wrote: »

I am assuming you also know how to practice aseptic technique and completely sterilised what you used, because otherwise you could kill your animal. Also there should be no pus, that indicates bacteria in the wound, tissue could heal five, but it could also become necrotic or you could kill the dog with septicaemia. I assume you also at the very least used local anaesthetic when stitching the dog up, otherwise that is cruelty.

Also where are you injected the dog, I.V, I.M or Subcut? Because depending on which one you could A kill the dog or B be breaking the law.

If you have an issue with your vet charging too much, change vets, don't decide that you have the capabilities of someone who studied for 6 years plus to do what they do.

Go away ya bogey...I joke...very funny do

John_Rambo

howya mike wrote: »

Unfortunately my children come first

Pritt stick and a good stapler? :pac:

owelfisherman

howya mike wrote: »

Good man Juice. Glad you can afford it. Unfortunately my children come first and thankfully I've only had to do it once in ten years and I reacon she'd have bled out if I did nothing but not being a "retard" and because my dog means so much to me I did what I had to and she' still here. The "retarded" thing to have done was say I have to much respect for you to try and save your life with a dab of super glue and let her die.

Carry surgical tape as some lad there was saying.thats what i do.

John_Rambo

owelfisherman wrote: »

Carry surgical tape as some lad there was saying.thats what i do.

If you're doing any sport that has injury risk for yourself or your buddies a decent first aid kit in the car is a must. Tape, splints, surgical wipes, tampons, antiseptic etc...

It is first aid though.

(By the way, I got one stitch with no anesthetic, it's not nice at all. Avoid)

Stevegeraghty

Super glue is a bit much, surely you could have come up with somthing better than that

I carry a roll of vet wrap and a tin of spray on plaster in the game bag €5,thank god I havnt had to use it!!

Stevegeraghty

John_Rambo wrote: »

(By the way, I got one stitch with no anesthetic, it's not nice at all. Avoid)

I didn't know they gave anaesthetic for stitches!! I got 3 in france and it hurt like a mother f@&?€r

Stheno

They do Steve

WHen I'd a gaggle of dogs, I'd a basic first aid kit.

Vet wrap, hibiscrub, and multiderm (great ointment) were key elements as was making sure I'd sugar/salt and honey to add to a dogs water if they'd had a fright.

Ear injuries, and ripped out claws bleed like bejasus, but there tends to be feck all that can be done for them.

I'd one dog bit another one's ear and half the ear came off, dog a was awoken from his slumber by dog b. Bled like the devil, vet could do nothing.

Knowing your limitations and when it's important to take a dog to the vet is as important imo as having the basic kit to deal with something that happens out of the blue.

John_Rambo

Stevegeraghty wrote: »

I didn't know they gave anaesthetic for stitches!! I got 3 in france and it hurt like a mother f@&?€r

Well, I'm frickin Rambo and it really really hurt without the anaesthetic! I certainly wouldn't inflict it on my loyal hunting companion!

Grizzly 45

owelfisherman wrote: »

Super glue?would you patch yourself up with that?

Err quite frankly ..YES!! have done so once or twice.. I'm still here and not dying from it either..
It was originally developed for that very purpose of quick repairing of wounds for the US army in Vietnam!!!
However its big problem is it is water soluble and it doesnt work very well with flexible materials.Skin and tissue being two of them.

If you want a very good cheap and well proven clotting agent with some antiseptic properties that is cheaper than anything in a chemist.Buy a few packets of red Cayanne pepper!

Bigger gashes and I've seen a few on horses or hunting dogs after being slit by wild pigs,the German hunters have used staple guns to keep the wound lips together.They serve as well as hemostats or butterfly clips.

People ,dogs are vey tough animals.I've seen one literally slit by a wild boar,[a Dachshund]dragging her intestine thru a forest floor and mud puddles.When we got her to the vet,[after some serious chasing and drama as can be imagined]he washed everything clean and put it back in and stitched it all together with a philosiphical "well she will live or die within the next 48 hours" The dog slept literally 24 hours and was then back on her paws,and back hunting within a month. She lived to be 12 years old too..

I had a Lab and a Dobermann that couldnt stand the sight of each other and used to rip each other to bits when I was younger.Bringing them seperately to the vet in Limerick,people must have thought I was involved in dog fighting..:eek:
However I learned a few things quickly enough about wound treatment.
1] Keep it clean as possible.That means shaving the hair around the wound as well.

2]Stiching only as a last resort and again keep it spotless and "loose "
Wounds heal from the inside out,and its too easy to sew in somthing infected and then it has no chance to escape because of tight stiching causing more problems.

[This actually caused the Argentineans serious casualtiesand amputations in the Falklands war,bad and ill advised suturing of wounds by untrained personel,just as a by the by.]

3] The old docs point in medicine "First,you shall do no harm" is advisable too with your animals..If you dont know leave it alone..
However as said desperate times and all,and ecnomic depression...But what I would do if I had to pay 350 euros to my Vet is I would pick their brains clean on how to ,when and where [and expect some suture equipment] for future "field surgery"if needed.

Tackleberry.

the super glue thing is not the answer but only last week on the tv i seen a lad on the tv give himself a handy cut and then went and dropped super glue on it and rubbed it across the cut sealing it......i taught at the time hmm thats a quick fix.....
Ive done ERT first aid firecrew training etc.... and to be honest its all about being prepared for what could happen... and instead of the superglue get yourselfs some styptic powder for clotting.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-styptic-powder.htm

Stevegeraghty

John_Rambo wrote: »

Well, I'm frickin Rambo and it really really hurt without the anaesthetic! I certainly wouldn't inflict it on my loyal hunting companion!

Crazy frogs :mad::mad:

snipe02

lads cant believe what im reading ffs fishin braid and prob a needle ya bent yourself not ta mention super glue well holy god said miley if ya are going to treat your own dog ya could get the staple sets ya can get them online and go to your vet and ask them how to do it correctly and how to administer pen strep in fairness its not rocket science treating a wound but at least educate yourself first and show yer dogs some respect im lucky have a good vet thats bang on but most of them around i wouldnt go near and if i was stuck and had to bring the dog to em id bring the dog and pay what i could afford the worst of em wouldnt turn ya away on the first aid thing i think its a great idea we should all have pen strep alamycin spray and a wound stapler to treat these wounds which are all too common in workin dogs but we should have to be trained on how to use em would save us a fortune but the vets have it sown up excuse the pun happened me the year before last but was only charged 20 euro for stitch cream and antibiotics foir a week but the uncle got charged 200 for thing half a mile away

Grizzly 45

John_Rambo wrote: »

Well, I'm frickin Rambo and it really really hurt without the anaesthetic! I certainly wouldn't inflict it on my loyal hunting companion!

You Big Girl Ya!!!:D A bit of fishing gut and a darning needle out of your trusty hollow handled survival knife was all you needed.:pac:
But yeah,five stiches in my thumb.Hurts like FK!!No local either.

John_Rambo

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

You Big Girl Ya!!!:D A bit of fishing gut and a darning needle out of your trusty hollow handled survival knife was all you needed.:pac:

Even in the darkest forest, the cold rocky mountain, the freezing, unforgiving rolling ocean, the dangerous urban jungle, the fly infested wetlands bogs where nothing heals, the cruel ice melt rivers and the endless fens... VHI plan B plus level one is very reasonable for a growing family and the benefits outweigh the cost, even if it is for peace of mind.

If it goes wrong, I have a really good solicitor. I could sue the forest.

Grizzly 45

VHI...Pfffft..For rich wussies!!:D Chuck Norris uses Aviva!

John_Rambo

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

VHI...Pfffft..For rich wussies!!:D Chuck Norris uses Aviva!

Chuck Norris wears Quinn Health pyjamis.

howya mike

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

VHI...Pfffft..For rich wussies!!:D Chuck Norris uses Aviva!

Chuck Norris uses super glue:D

Stheno

Tackleberry. wrote: »

and instead of the superglue get yourselfs some styptic powder for clotting.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-styptic-powder.htm

I eventually added this to my first aid kit for the dogs also especially for ripped claws!

Brianmeath

have used super glue many a time on my own hands, learned it off a russian army lad, great trick to be honest.

springer90

, "you dont owe me anything "........the vet told me i owed her €250:eek::eek: the last time....anyway thanks pat , a bottle of brandy heading your way.....spunk sorry...nothing left 4 u :D[/Quote]

Id nearly put money on with u that i know the vet you are on about . . If its near the kildare meath border iv heard some similar stories . . Prices quoted ud drop dead to after hearing
. .

springer90

, "you dont owe me anything "........the vet told me i owed her €250:eek::eek: the last time....anyway thanks pat , a bottle of brandy heading your way.....spunk sorry...nothing left 4 u :D

Id nearly put money on with u that i know the vet you are on about . . If its near the kildare meath border iv heard some similar stories . . Prices quoted ud drop dead to after hearing
. .

John_Rambo

All joking aside, good one tackleberry on the styptic powder, lots of sensible advice from others too... but, when push comes to shove, a vet is the only option for serious injuries. It's Ireland, we are never far away from one, if you come across one that won't work out a reasonable payment option get the work done and pay them under your terms. If it gets legal fook them, nobody's going to argue with a €3 a week payment or similar.

Leave out the superglue.

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Err quite frankly ..YES!! have done so once or twice.. I'm still here and not dying from it either..
It was originally developed for that very purpose of quick repairing of wounds for the US army in Vietnam!

Ah here. No, it wasn't. It was invented in the 40s when they were trying to make plastic for gunsights, and it was marketed a decade later as a general purpose glue. It wasn't used as a surgical glue until the 60s (and wasn't approved for use outside the battlefield until much later, except on animals where you could use it in the 70s), but Superglue and surgical glue are not the same thing, there are toxins in superglue and the active chemical is different (2-ethyl-cyanoacrylate in superglue, 2-octyl-cyanoacrylate in medical glue; the latter isn't an irritant and a toxin...).

They make specific glue to be used on wounds; brand names like dermabond and octylseal. Don't go squirting the equivalent of prittstick into your bloodstream, please...

ronn

terminator2 wrote: »

i used fishing braid and a curved needle there was a small bit of puss tonight but its healing nicely ,.........as you can see from the photo im bieng watched

And your fly is open,:eek: :D

terminator2

snipe02 wrote: »

lads cant believe what im reading ffs fishin braid and prob a needle ya bent yourself not ta mention super glue well holy god said miley if ya are going to treat your own dog ya could get the staple sets ya can get them online and go to your vet and ask them how to do it correctly and how to administer pen strep in fairness its not rocket science treating a wound but at least educate yourself first and show yer dogs some respect im lucky have a good vet thats bang on but most of them around i wouldnt go near and if i was stuck and had to bring the dog to em id bring the dog and pay what i could afford the worst of em wouldnt turn ya away on the first aid thing i think its a great idea we should all have pen strep alamycin spray and a wound stapler to treat these wounds which are all too common in workin dogs but we should have to be trained on how to use em would save us a fortune but the vets have it sown up excuse the pun happened me the year before last but was only charged 20 euro for stitch cream and antibiotics foir a week but the uncle got charged 200 for thing half a mile away

http://www.anupco.com/Products/penstrep-2020-la/ how to administer......farmer was bang on.....obviously not the first time he did it .....read the link ..... needle was the proper one ......maybe we should run a thread on over pricing vets ......