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Teen Arrested for Posting Picture of Burning Poppy Online (UK)

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    #62
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    So people are willing to condone someone punching a child one day and cast a blind eye to this? Some of the things on here are unreal.


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    #63
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    karma_ wrote: »
    What he should have done is went to Belfast and burned a tricolour, wouldn't be arrested for that. ( Not that he should by the way.)

    Out of curiosity i wonder would it be possible to prosecute loyalists who burn the tricolour on their bonfires on the 12 of july under the current legislation.


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    #64
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    So people are willing to condone someone punching a child one day and cast a blind eye to this? Some of the things on here are unreal.

    That's a fúckin' stretch and a half, comparing punching a child to what essentially amounts to destroying a moulded piece of plastic.

    It's a dick move but to give someone a criminal record seems a tad extreme, is being an idiot criminal these days?


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    #65
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    ArmaniJeanss wrote: »
    Free Speech would be not wearing a poppy, or starting a blog or perhaps uploading a youtube clip explaining why he feels poppy wearing (or remembrance day itself ) is wrong.

    Free speech is not being filmed burning a poppy on November 11th whilst calling members of the armed forces 'squaddie cnuts'.

    I'll defend the rights of the former to the death, whilst happily seeing the latter up in court.

    Free speech is not being arrested for mere words or statements.
    Bad taste and hurting people's feelings is not and should not be a criminal offense. Where do you draw the line if it is?


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    #66
    Gbear
    Registered Users Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭Gbear


    RobbieTheRobber wrote: »
    The correction wasn't needed, the taliban did reduce cultivation.

    Based on UNODC data, there has been more opium poppy cultivation in each of the past four growing seasons (2004–2007) than in any one year during Taliban rule. Also, more land is now used for opium in Afghanistan than for coca cultivation in Latin America. In 2007, 92% of the non-pharmaceutical-grade opiates on the world market originated in Afghanistan.

    And where is all that money going? The taliban.

    Cliste wrote: »
    also props on the subtle Godwins ;-)

    People don't seem to know what that means any more. It doesn't cover any reference to Nazi Germany.

    Equal opportunity offence - what true freedom of expression should entail. I don't want to be seen to be taking sides so burn things that everyone despises and things that people seem to rush to wring their hands about.

    You're burning a ****ing flower/flag/ornament/any other completely irrelevant inanimate object.


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    #67
    wes
    Registered Users Posts: 11,747 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Why, so it can introduce anti Blasphemy laws like Ireland?

    They had there own as recently as 2008:
    Blasphemy laws are lifted


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    #68
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,859 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    Oh Please.

    This is a stupid piece of over policing, but Orwellian nightmare?

    Yeah, cos it's not exactly an isolated incident.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/12/arrested-poppy-burning-beware-tyranny-decency


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    #69
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    That person should be made give Veterans some home help as punishment.

    Either that or community service.

    Younger generations forget too easily what previous generations had to sacrifice for what we have today. Freedom!


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    #70
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    That person should be made give Veterans some home help as punishment.

    Either that or community service.

    Younger generations forget too easily what previous generations had to sacrifice for what we have today. Freedom!



    Just so long as that freedom doesn't extend to burning a plastic flower?


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    #71
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,859 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    That person should be made give Veterans some home help as punishment.

    Either that or community service.

    Younger generations forget too easily what previous generations had to sacrifice for what we have today. Freedom!

    Oh, spare us.

    The world wars were fought between empires trying to occupy and crush people they deem racially inferior. Germany wanted eastern Europe, Britain wanted India and more.

    Anyway, seems the so-called offence that was allegedly caused was reported by an organised group of right-wing nutjobs.

    https://twitter.com/wegowherewewant/status/267998931630305280


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    #72
    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    In 1998, the United Kingdom incorporated the European Convention, and the guarantee of freedom of expression it contains in Article 10, into its domestic law under the Human Rights Act. However there is a broad sweep of exceptions including threatening, abusive, or insulting speech or behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace (which has been used to prohibit racist speech targeted at individuals),[61][62] incitement,[63] incitement to racial hatred,[64] incitement to religious hatred, incitement to terrorism including encouragement of terrorism and dissemination of terrorist publications,[63][65] glorifying terrorism,[66][67] collection or possession of information likely to be of use to a terrorist,[68][69] treason including imagining the death of the monarch,[70] sedition,[70] obscenity, indecency including corruption of public morals and outraging public decency,[71] defamation,[72] prior restraint, restrictions on court reporting including names of victims and evidence and prejudicing or interfering with court proceedings,[73][74] prohibition of post-trial interviews with jurors,[74] scandalising the court by criticising or murmuring judges,[74][75] time, manner, and place restrictions,[76] harassment, privileged communications, trade secrets, classified material, copyright, patents, military conduct, and limitations on commercial speech such as advertising.

    There's a freedom of speech law which might as well not exist. You end up with less than you would have thought.


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    #73
    Aodh Rua
    Closed Accounts Posts: 71 ✭✭Aodh Rua


    Given the context, fair play to that kid. Among the poppy fascism which ensures that every single person (except Jon Snow) on British television is forced to wear the British poppy, it is completely refreshing to see at least one person (besides Jon Snow) is willing to slaughter the sacred cow of the poppy.

    This intolerance for people who don't wear the British poppy is up there with something one would find in Taliban-run Afghanistan. It's incomprehensible that this jingoistic nastiness and intolerance is going on in a western liberal democracy like Britain.


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    #74
    Gbear
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    Aodh Rua wrote: »
    This intolerance for people who don't wear the British poppy is up there with something one would find in Taliban-run Afghanistan. It's incomprehensible that this jingoistic nastiness and intolerance is going on in a western liberal democracy like Britain.

    It really isn't "up there" but it's wrong for the same reason.


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    #75
    GLaDOS
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,213 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    The funny thing is, by arresting him, he's getting more publicity than he ever would have gotten otherwise, therefore spreading his 'offensive' message further than he could have possibly done by himself.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



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    #76
    opti0nal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 900 ✭✭✭opti0nal


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Yeah, cos it's not exactly an isolated incident.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/12/arrested-poppy-burning-beware-tyranny-decency

    Or the eejit who got angry about delays at Ribin Hood Airport .

    There's also been a case recently of two pervs who exchanged obscene private IMs and got done for 'publishing' an obscene statement.


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    #77
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    What this fella did was stupid and insensitive but that's no reason to arrest him let alone charge him. The police shouldn't be wasting their time on trivialities like this.


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    #78
    Rascasse
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    The DPP for England and Wales announced a review a while ago as it was clear this was getting out of hand. Though some people should think before they tweet.
    The emerging thinking is that it might be sensible to divide and separate cases where there's a campaign of harassment, [or] cases where there's a credible and general threat, and prosecute in those sorts of cases.

    "And put in another category communications which are, as it were, merely offensive or grossly offensive.

    "[It] doesn't mean the second category are ring-fenced form prosecution, but it does I think enable us to think of that group in a slightly different way."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19910865


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    #79
    opti0nal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 900 ✭✭✭opti0nal


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    What this fella did was stupid and insensitive but that's no reason to arrest him let alone charge him. The police shouldn't be wasting their time on trivialities like this.
    No, they've got much more important things to do:

    Man held in police station for eight hours after taking pictures of Christmas celebrations in Accrington
    He and his friend were taking photographs of Christmas festivities on 19 December, after attending a photography exhibition. The last images on his camera before he was stopped show a picture of a Santa Claus, people in fancy dress and a pipe band marching through the town.
    He turned on his video camera the moment he was approached by a police community support officer (PCSO). In the footage, she said: "Because of the Terrorism Act and everything in the country, we need to get everyone's details who is taking pictures of the town.
    or

    Another London photographer arrested for "terrorism" (i.e. "taking a picture of a public building")
    A photographer who spent his whole life photographing and painting around his home neighbourhood of Elephant and Castle in London was arrested under anti-terror laws and jailed, his DNA and fingerprints taken. He was released after five hours, once his Member of Parliament intervened. Under current policies, his DNA will remain on file forever -- though the EU has ordered Britain to cease this practice.


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    #80
    kowloon
    Registered Users Posts: 13,383 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I misread the title as '...burning puppy' :(. Glad I was wrong.


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    #81
    squod
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    ScienceNerd wrote: »
    Police........... Kent
    Stopped reading there.


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    #82
    Logical_Bear
    Closed Accounts Posts: 799 ✭✭✭Logical_Bear


    Big Bottom wrote: »
    So people are willing to condone someone punching a child that prodduced a knife and tried to mug a person on the way to work one day and cast a blind eye to this? Some of the things on here are unreal.

    fyp


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    #83
    Míshásta
    Registered Users Posts: 634 ✭✭✭Míshásta


    roughneck wrote: »
    If the same law applied here ,we could get done for drowning the shamrock :

    LOL :)


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    #84
    sdanseo
    Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    The UK government/police need to take out the rod they've had rammed up their arse for the last few years. This sort of crap is internet trolling, yes, but not worthy of being criminal.


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    #85
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,332 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    leggo wrote: »
    Freedom of speech is an idea that people believe exists thanks to watching American movies (and spending too much time on Reddit). We don't have a first amendment to our constitution in Ireland, the UK or Europe. It's not a 'thing' here.
    ***Cough***
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amendments_to_the_Constitution_of_Ireland#List_of_amendments

    http://www.constitution.ie/reports/ConstitutionofIreland.pdf
    FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS
    Personal Rights
    Article 40
    ...

    6. 1° The State guarantees liberty for the exercise of the following rights, subject to public order and morality:

    i. The right of the citizens to express freely their convictions and opinions.

    ...
    ***Cough***


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    #86
    Big Bottom
    Registered Users Posts: 346 ✭✭Big Bottom


    Logical_Bear wrote: »
    fyp

    lol!

    looks more like you botched my post!
    Good attempt though!


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    #87
    Run_to_da_hills
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    This is an exercise designed to put fear into you and restrict free expression.

    It is more than likely organised by the top level Freemasons in the police force.


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    #88
    Rascasse
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭Rascasse


    Run_to_da_hills wrote: »
    This is an exercise designed to put fear into you and restrict free expression.

    It is more than likely organised by the top level Freemasons in the police force.

    Bet the fecking lizards are involved too. The bastards.


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    #89
    BlackEdelweiss
    Registered Users Posts: 1,534 ✭✭✭BlackEdelweiss


    Can you imagine what they would do to you if you and a group of friends ran around a city dressed as soilders and shot 26 people, killing 13 of them at a civil rights march. Oh that's right, nothing!


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    #90
    extra gravy
    Registered Users Posts: 22,624 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    The British need a constitution.

    They have one, it's just not codified like ours is.


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    #91
    Frito
    Registered Users Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Frito


    Opium from a Remembrance poppy? No chandu, kid. Put away your dream stick, there's nowt to see here.


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