Jimmy's Coaching Celtic

cormac halpin

Jimmy McGuinness will take up a part time role with Celtic on a rolling contract. To be announced later today by Ireland's Club. It's expected Jimmy will take up a role with the Academy of the Bhoys.

The Celts are winning matches

keane2097

Wow that's amazing, fair play to Jim if true - dream job for him.

ebbsy

Take it Jim, why not ?

PauloConn

Will he be still working with Donegal as well if it's a part time basis? Big loss for them if he's gone but hopefully this starts a revolution in GAA coaching as the fitness levels he brought into that team were amazing

Benny Cake

Some more detail here:

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2012/1109/344911-mcguinness-takes-up-celtic-coaching-role/

Fair play to him...

kippy

PauloConn wrote: »

Will he be still working with Donegal as well if it's a part time basis? Big loss for them if he's gone but hopefully this starts a revolution in GAA coaching as the fitness levels he brought into that team were amazing

Apparently he will still be working with Donegal, for how long that arrangement works for everyone is still to be seen.

I am not sure about any revolutions in GAA coaching, the top teams in the country have had "amazing" fitness levels for the past few years. He brought a lot more than that to Donegal.

I hope things work out for him, I believe he is well qualified in this area and a job with Celtic is probably a dream come true. Wish him all the best.

Fr Tod Umptious

PauloConn wrote: »

Will he be still working with Donegal as well if it's a part time basis? Big loss for them if he's gone but hopefully this starts a revolution in GAA coaching as the fitness levels he brought into that team were amazing

But does it now go against his own philosophy of 'total buy in' to the system ?

His absences from Donegal for a few days a week will not allow him to focus as much on Donegal and thus he will not be showing the same committment to them as he has done in 2012 and 2011.

Will he expect his player to continue in the same vein as they have done for tghe last two years ?

I am not criticising him for making the move, fair play to him and I hope he is successful in whatever he does, but this may lead to some problem in Donegal that will not help them in their 2013 All Ireland campaign.

cormac halpin

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But does it now go against his own philosophy of 'total buy in' to the system ?

His absences from Donegal for a few days a week will not allow him to focus as much on Donegal and thus he will not be showing the same committment to them as he has done in 2012 and 2011.

Will he expect his player to continue in the same vein as they have done for tghe last two years ?

I am not criticising him for making the move, fair play to him and I hope he is successful in whatever he does, but this may lead to some problem in Donegal that will not help them in their 2013 All Ireland campaign.

Previously he was working full time, now he'll be working part time. Sounds a-ok to me.

Fr Tod Umptious

cormac halpin wrote: »

Previously he was working full time, now he'll be working part time. Sounds a-ok to me.

But he will be away from Donegal and the team

Ok as described on Off the Ball last night

Possible situation
Donegal play a league game on s Sunday,
Jimmy flies out to Scotland Sunday night
Jimmy works Mon, Tue, Wed in Celtic
He is not back training Donegal until Thursday

Donegal will struggle to retain their All Ireland title, there will be an inevitable and understandable drop off in intensity and hunger, and this will certainly not help.

cormac halpin

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But he will be away from Donegal and the team

Ok as described on Off the Ball last night

Possible situation
Donegal play a league game on s Sunday,
Jimmy flies out to Scotland Sunday night
Jimmy works Mon, Tue, Wed in Celtic
He is not back training Donegal until Thursday

Donegal will struggle to retain their All Ireland title, there will be an inevitable and understandable drop off in intensity and hunger, and this will certainly not help.

Yep, because Donegal had a stellar league campaign in 2012.

Fr Tod Umptious

cormac halpin wrote: »

Yep, because Donegal had a stellar league campaign in 2012.

Prperation of winning an All Ireland usually starts in Nov/Dec the previous year, not in May.

So what Jimmy is and is not doing during the league does have a influence on the final outcome.

Will he be working in Scotland all summer as well, I know it's the off season but there is still work to be done.

iDave

I wouldnt be the happiest man if i were from Donegal today. Having a manager whos not in the country half the week and focused of the success of another sports team cannot be helpful. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
It says a lot about the GAA though that a professional body has such a high regard for its coaches. Hopes its not the beginning of a trend though, this would be more devastating to a counties progress than an 18 year old flying off to the AFL

Sunnyisland

Good luck to him, Jim mcguinness has to think financially of his wife and family and there future as well as his own.

cormac halpin

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Prperation of winning an All Ireland usually starts in Nov/Dec the previous year, not in May.

So what Jimmy is and is not doing during the league does have a influence on the final outcome.

Will he be working in Scotland all summer as well, I know it's the off season but there is still work to be done.

Fair point, but you originally referenced a league game, and I pointed out that Donegal railroaded the league in favour of Championship this year, am I right in saying even Laois beat them up there this year?

As for preparation beginning in Nov/Dec, it began earlier last year for them, but Gallagher will take on the nights that McGuinness isnt there, and ask yourself this, would the Donegal players prefer a part time Jimmy or no Jimmy at all? He's still going to be focused on them, and I imagine now he will have even more time to devote to them.

hardybuck

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But he will be away from Donegal and the team

Ok as described on Off the Ball last night

Possible situation
Donegal play a league game on s Sunday,
Jimmy flies out to Scotland Sunday night
Jimmy works Mon, Tue, Wed in Celtic
He is not back training Donegal until Thursday

Donegal will struggle to retain their All Ireland title, there will be an inevitable and understandable drop off in intensity and hunger, and this will certainly not help.

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Actual situation:
He only works in Celtic on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, Gallagher trains the team on these days, and everything else works as normal.

He'll also have more time in the summer as it'll be the close season in Scotland.

hardybuck

I see his reported salary is €150,000. For someone like him with a young family it's a no-brainer. Not bad for a 3 day week!

It poses the greater question though - will be begin to see more and more of this sort of thing happening? I remember hearing about 10 years ago that the Armagh team of the time was reported to be a couple of years ahead than some of the English Premiership sides, but now it seems to be a definite reality.

Does the GAA try and put in place a structure where coaches like McGuinness can work professionally in the game in order to try and hold on to them, or do we wish them the best and lose them? We're already seeing many of our best youngsters being harvested for AFL, rugby and soccer, our coaches are the next rational step.

AGC

hardybuck wrote: »

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Actual situation:
He only works in Celtic on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, Gallagher trains the team on these days, and everything else works as normal.

He'll also have more time in the summer as it'll be the close season in Scotland.

It's a tough one.

For most people they couldn't afford to turn down what Celtic are offering, however it will impact on Donegal.

Close season may be the summer but is it the same with the academy? Also all the hard work is done leading up to the summer.

I hope it works out for him but I would agree wioth Fr. Tod

dcr22B

Wonder what Kevin Cassidy thinks about all this?

keane2097

This isn't going to start a mass exodus of GAA coaches. Look at Jim's qualifications and work experience to date - he's on a different level entirely to the school teachers, publicans etc who make up the majority of our coaching fraternity.

If anything seeing the potential to land a job like this might encourage more within the game to pursue better relevant education and increase the overall level of coaching we have.

I don't buy the idea that GAA teams are close to professional, there are so many areas that are still miles away, as you can see in the physical changes that happen to guys like Tommy Walsh and Pearce Hanley when they actually do become professionals. Our guys put in the hours, but the preparation methods are lightyears away.

cormac halpin

keane2097 wrote: »

This isn't going to start a mass exodus of GAA coaches.

Rumour has it Cody is to take up a role with Manchester United. Watch this space.

hardybuck

keane2097 wrote: »

This isn't going to start a mass exodus of GAA coaches. Look at Jim's qualifications and work experience to date - he's on a different level entirely to the school teachers, publicans etc who make up the majority of our coaching fraternity.

If anything seeing the potential to land a job like this might encourage more within the game to pursue better relevant education and increase the overall level of coaching we have.

I don't buy the idea that GAA teams are close to professional, there are so many areas that are still miles away, as you can see in the physical changes that happen to guys like Tommy Walsh and Pearce Hanley when they actually do become professionals. Our guys put in the hours, but the preparation methods are lightyears away.

Don't confuse a lot of the managers who are teachers, Gardai, publicans with the paid professional coaches that a lot of counties are using.

I also see that Philly McMahon joined Shamrock Rovers staff this week. On a lower scale than Celtic, but you're seeing an emerging trend I think.

henke

As a Celtic fan delighted. As a Donegal fan disappointed. He is right to take it on though serious money being offered.

It is hard to know how it will impact Donegal. No one really knows until we see how it pans out. One thing I'm sure of is in spite of this he is incredibly passionate about Donegal football so hoping it will have minimal impact.

fullstop

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But does it now go against his own philosophy of 'total buy in' to the system ?

His absences from Donegal for a few days a week will not allow him to focus as much on Donegal and thus he will not be showing the same committment to them as he has done in 2012 and 2011.

Will he expect his player to continue in the same vein as they have done for tghe last two years ?

I am not criticising him for making the move, fair play to him and I hope he is successful in whatever he does, but this may lead to some problem in Donegal that will not help them in their 2013 All Ireland campaign.

It may or may not impact on Donegal, but you've been wrong about them before so hopefully you are again

Steel Dog

Celtic Statement

http://www.celticfc.net/newsstory?item=3333

Broxi_Bear_Eire

hardybuck wrote: »

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Actual situation:
He only works in Celtic on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, Gallagher trains the team on these days, and everything else works as normal.

He'll also have more time in the summer as it'll be the close season in Scotland.

Really do you actually realise that the season starts early in Scotland due to European qualifiers etc

hardybuck

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Really do you actually realise that the season starts early in Scotland due to European qualifiers etc

Really? Do you realise that he is going over as a youth coach? They don't play European qualifiers etc.

Fr Tod Umptious

fullstop wrote: »

It may or may not impact on Donegal, but you've been wrong about them before so hopefully you are again

Well time will tell

Even before this development I did not believe Donegal could win back to back for various reasons

But the story of 2012 was Donegal and their focus and their 'buy-in' the Jimmy's system.

This development menas that it will be harded for Jimmy to focus on Donegal, and may give players an excuse for not being as committed as they were to date.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

hardybuck wrote: »

Really? Do you realise that he is going over as a youth coach? They don't play European qualifiers etc.

Its already been mentioned he will be working with the like of Watts and Wyama (sp) and no doubt a few others I think you will find its not exactly your normal youth coach role

Kerrydude1981

Fair play to Jimmy,wish him the best of luck,he has a more then a capable deputy in Rory Gallagher to keep an eye on things for him while he is Scotland.

The big games are during the summer here so he will be here for them so its a win win situation for all the parties involved

Sunnyisland

Maybe good news for the rest of the teams in Ireland,We might have a better chance of winning the All Ireland with jim hopefully preoccupied ;)

Smartly Dressed

How often do flights run from Carrickfinn to Glasgow? It's hard to imagine how this will affect Donegal. We'll just have to wait and see but McGuinness will be able to tap into knowledge from the highest level.

In terms of salary, there surely can't be a chance he's earning £150,000 per year for a 3 day week while a huge part of his focus is elsewhere with Donegal. That would be insane on Celtic's part.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

Smartly Dressed wrote: »

How often do flights run from Carrickfinn to Glasgow? It's hard to imagine how this will affect Donegal. We'll just have to wait and see but McGuinness will be able to tap into knowledge from the highest level.

In terms of salary, there surely can't be a chance he's earning £150,000 per year for a 3 day week while a huge part of his focus is elsewhere with Donegal. That would be insane on Celtic's part.

Most places are reporting 120,000 stg Whether its true or not is a different matter but if its anywhere near that I can fully understand him taking the position

Smartly Dressed

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Most places are reporting 120,000 stg Whether its true or not is a different matter but if its anywhere near that I can fully understand him taking the position

When I read the story I thought he would be more than capable for the job but if he is actually earning around what has been reported than he's more talented than I initially believed.

signostic

Smartly Dressed wrote: »

How often do flights run from Carrickfinn to Glasgow? It's hard to imagine how this will affect Donegal. We'll just have to wait and see but McGuinness will be able to tap into knowledge from the highest level.

In terms of salary, there surely can't be a chance he's earning £150,000 per year for a 3 day week while a huge part of his focus is elsewhere with Donegal. That would be insane on Celtic's part.

It was said on RTE Radio 1 at lunch time that Celtic do not normally employ part time staff - maybe there`s an exception here. They also said Jim has no football coaching badges so his job will be mainly motivational.

Prop Joe

Broxi_Bear_Eire wrote: »

Most places are reporting 120,000 stg Whether its true or not is a different matter but if its anywhere near that I can fully understand him taking the position

£50k salary with Celtic not bad for a 3 day week

cormac halpin

Prop Joe wrote: »

£50k salary with Celtic not bad for a 3 day week

I see what you did there. Nice.

keane2097

hardybuck wrote: »

Don't confuse a lot of the managers who are teachers, Gardai, publicans with the paid professional coaches that a lot of counties are using.

I also see that Philly McMahon joined Shamrock Rovers staff this week. On a lower scale than Celtic, but you're seeing an emerging trend I think.

Who's confused? The vast majority of coaches in the GAA have no qualifications at all. People like Cian O'Neill are very much the exception rather than the rule. Even as good a coach as Donie Buckley has nothing but experience on his CV.

2ndcoming

Smartly Dressed wrote: »

How often do flights run from Carrickfinn to Glasgow? It's hard to imagine how this will affect Donegal. We'll just have to wait and see but McGuinness will be able to tap into knowledge from the highest level.

In terms of salary, there surely can't be a chance he's earning £150,000 per year for a 3 day week while a huge part of his focus is elsewhere with Donegal. That would be insane on Celtic's part.

He'd be flying from Derry more than likely I would imagine. Very regularly in that case.

2ndcoming

hardybuck wrote: »

I remember hearing about 10 years ago that the Armagh team of the time was reported to be a couple of years ahead than some of the English Premiership sides, but now it seems to be a definite reality.
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Not sure how you equate this, top Premier League players play up to about 60 matches a season excluding internationals, often 3 in a week on top of training.

nice_guy80

a lot of top flight English soccer teams are very backward in their approach to training and preparation

keane2097

nice_guy80 wrote: »

a lot of top flight English soccer teams are very backward in their approach to training and preparation

Which ones?

Pappa Charlie

Go for it Jim, opportunities like this are few and far between, it just shows the top brass of the GAA that the people who make their games so sucessful have a value and should be looked after correctly.

68Murph68

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I am not criticising him for making the move, fair play to him and I hope he is successful in whatever he does, but this may lead to some problem in Donegal that will not help them in their 2013 All Ireland campaign.

In fairness Donegal were always likely to have some issues in terms of retaining the All-Ireland in 2013. Winning football All-Irelands back-to-back is a very difficult task.

What was/is McGuinness's job prior to this?

The rumoured salary seems very high for a part-time motivational coach working with youths.

nice_guy80

Pappa Charlie wrote: »

Go for it Jim, opportunities like this are few and far between, it just shows the top brass of the GAA that the people who make their games so sucessful have a value and should be looked after correctly.

nope
it shows the dedication, qualifications and skills set of the people involved in the GAA

signostic

nice_guy80 wrote: »

nope
it shows the dedication, qualifications and skills set of the people involved in the GAA

Skills and dedication certainly but qualifications to coach football across the water they don`t have. McGuinness does not have any coaching badges so therefoe his input will be motivational

Clareman

I'd imagine the 150k would be reliant on an awful lot of performance related stuff to come through, I'd imagine that he's acting as a consultant and as such will be able to work remotely a lot and bill for his hours. People think that soccer has massive money going through it, and a lot of people get a lot of money, but this site which shows Arsenal's wage bills shows what people in a top premiership club are getting, which would be very similar to Celtic I would imagine.

68Murph68

Clareman wrote: »

I'd imagine the 150k would be reliant on an awful lot of performance related stuff to come through, I'd imagine that he's acting as a consultant and as such will be able to work remotely a lot and bill for his hours. People think that soccer has massive money going through it, and a lot of people get a lot of money, but this site which shows Arsenal's wage bills shows what people in a top premiership club are getting, which would be very similar to Celtic I would imagine.

Its hard to imagine that Arsenal arent a level above Celtic in terms of wages given the 1) difference in the amount of money in the Scottish game and the English game 2) the cost of living between London and Glasgow.

As a motivational/youth coach with part-time involvement its hard to see there being a massive bonus/performance related element to his pay package.

Is it possible that it's something like a 3 year contract worth £150k over the three years. Would seem a lot more realistic/believable for a part-time role in my opinion?

Clareman

Whatever it works out at it's a great opportunity for him and also for Donegal, having their manager being full time involved in sport can only be good for them as he'll pick up a lot from coaches and stuff.

The_Kew_Tour

nice_guy80 wrote: »

a lot of top flight English soccer teams are very backward in their approach to training and preparation

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nice_guy80

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

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http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/injury-ignorance-keeping-players-in-treatment-room-3251520.html

part of the issues

Brain Stroking

nice_guy80 wrote: »

a lot of top flight English soccer teams are very backward in their approach to training and preparation

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