9 Month Old Teething

Dad11

Hi all,

My son is teething at the minute and for the last three weeks he screams his head off at night. We have proven and calpol and bonjela. We also have teething rings etc. We cool them in Fridge. Nothing seems to work. He wont allow us to put medicine into mouth anymore. We tried medicine dispensing soother and this did not work either. Spoons.are not allowed.near his mouth either. We hear about Cammomila etc.although cant buy in Ireland etc! I am wondering about saposatries for babies, are there any.benefits to be had from these ? My biggest worry is.I am not doing enough to minamise the pain and stress.for my boy. I love him and it turns me inside out when I see him upset. Please please is there any advice anyone can give. We are.consulting with the medical professional on Wed about paralief. Any suggestions are most welcome

Neyite

You can buy chamomilla in ireland - its in the Teetha sachets that chemists sell. Our lad loves them. I got the Teetha gel too, because its sugar free whereas bonjela isnt I think.

I got the amber teething necklace (around his ankle under a sock so he cant get at it), and I think its helped, though I was dubious about them, but like you was willing to try anything to give him relief. He cut his first tooth having had only a single spoon of calpol during the day, and a sachet of teetha - when he woke it was there. Same thing a week later with the second. I got mine from this crowd within a few days. Massive improvement from the week before when he was crying for hours and I had maxed out the dosage for neurofen and calpol combined.

wmpdd3

It might be worth a trip to the doctor just to rule everything else out, like ear infections.

A chat to a pharmacist would give you all the details on suppositories etc.

dublinlady

We use suppositories regularly with our little girl - shes teething at the moment too and is around the same age. She wouldnt take medicine by mouth until this week - dont know why the sudden change of heart!!:rolleyes:

We use nurofen suppositories as at this age you use one whole suppository every 6 hrs or so. This is the same ingredient as Provin. We find that the paralink suppositories (which is the same as calpol) are a bit more of a nuisance as you need to use only half a suppository - and i cant be bothered with halfing them really!

Anyway - while its not as common a use of medicine administration in ireland its just as effective and even a little quicker than the oral route - so if ur little one wont take it by mouth i think its a good plan!
Full instructions on the leaflets on how to use them - really very easy and my daughter doesnt mind at all - in fact she laughs!

How Strange

+1 for suppositories over oral medicine. They work much quicker and are effective for much longer.

I think Nelsons do a chamomilia which is stronger than teetha and they make it up especially for you. I know the pharmacy in Dublin has closed down but perhaps contact them in uk and they may post it to you.

Also a trip to the gp is a good suggestion just to make sure he's ok. My son got strep throat twice while teething so it can bring on illnesses.

liliq

+1 on amber necklack and teetha

Dad11

Amber Necklack where. Can I get this

liliq wrote: »

+1 on amber necklack and teetha

Neyite

Dad11 wrote: »

Amber Necklack where. Can I get this

www.teethingsos.com

I got a dark green one for my guy, so its not too girly!

pwurple

Please be very very careful if you use those ridiculous beads, ask your GP first, and read the following links.

Teething will never kill your baby, strangulation or choking on those beads may.

http://safetygonesane.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/amber-teething-necklaces-is-your-child-at-risk/

https://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/989424/fromItemId/972041

http://alphamom.com/parenting/baby/amber-teething-necklaces-helpful-or-hype/

http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au/amber-teething-necklace.htm

http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/baby/baby-health/amber-teething-necklaces-a-choking-hazard-warn-authorities-20120927-26n7l.html

Neyite

pwurple wrote: »

Please be very very careful if you use those ridiculous beads, ask your GP first, and read the following links.

Teething will never kill your baby, strangulation or choking on those beads may.

http://safetygonesane.wordpress.com/2012/03/20/amber-teething-necklaces-is-your-child-at-risk/

https://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/989424/fromItemId/972041

http://alphamom.com/parenting/baby/amber-teething-necklaces-helpful-or-hype/

http://www.fairtrading.qld.gov.au/amber-teething-necklace.htm

http://www.essentialbaby.com.au/baby/baby-health/amber-teething-necklaces-a-choking-hazard-warn-authorities-20120927-26n7l.html[/QUOTE]

I did my research pwurple, and I dont find the beads ridiculous, I found that they helped his symptoms. In 2 days he went from the maximum dosage of calpol AND neurofen baby, plus the maximum amount of Teetha sachets and the gel to a single spoon of calpol plus a teetha sachet with the amber. He cut two teeth with barely a whimper.

I am not someone who readily believes alternative therapies, in fact, I was hugely skeptical but I decided it was worth a try to easy the pain and constant crying, as I simply could not give him any more pain relief without overdosing him.

I consider them safe especially since its never around my childs neck. I cant strangle his ankle. The beads are under a sock and a babygro, and at night under a grobag too. Anytime he is being changed or bathed the chain is removed out of reach until its time to go under his sock again.

liliq

I got mine from teethingsos.com as well.

Don't let your child eat it, check it regularly, be sensible, and the risks are minimised.

pwurple

liliq wrote: »

Don't let your child eat it, check it regularly, be sensible, and the risks are minimised.

Exactly. Be careful with them , and even though they are called necklaces, don't ever put them around a 9 month old's neck.

Dad11

Which one did you get. Are different anklets more effective over another ?

liliq wrote: »

I got mine from teethingsos.com as well.

Don't let your child eat it, check it regularly, be sensible, and the risks are minimised.

liliq

Dad11 wrote: »

Which one did you get. Are different anklets more effective over another ?

Ill post a link this evening... It's just a multicoloured one with uneven beads. I'm going to order another one with flatter beads. I've found as he has grown the uneven beads dig in a bit. I use the necklace, but I imagine it would be a similar issue when it's an anklet under a sock.
The Baltic amber is supposed to be the most effective. Higher concentration of succint acid apparently. If I remember correctly, all the teethingsos.com ones are Baltic amber.

Dad11

Many thanks!

liliq wrote: »

Ill post a link this evening... It's just a multicoloured one with uneven beads. I'm going to order another one with flatter beads. I've found as he has grown the uneven beads dig in a bit. I use the necklace, but I imagine it would be a similar issue when it's an anklet under a sock.
The Baltic amber is supposed to be the most effective. Higher concentration of succint acid apparently. If I remember correctly, all the teethingsos.com ones are Baltic amber.

liliq

You're welcome

Dad11

Can you post link ?

liliq wrote: »

You're welcome

Neyite

Here is one of the flat bean types:

http://www.teethingsos.com/products.html/id/30

lounakin

I have a couple of necklaces but they are too big for my baby and I find them dangerous. I want to get a smaller one or an anklet, are those as effective as the necklaces?

Suucee

lounakin wrote: »

I have a couple of necklaces but they are too big for my baby and I find them dangerous. I want to get a smaller one or an anklet, are those as effective as the necklaces?

I got the bracelet at first and found it good. OH took it off for bath one day and we couldnt find it. searched everywhere and pulled LO bed apart worried it was in it and terrified to put it her to bed. So i went on to website and decided to buy the necklace as noticed that it said the necklace is better as has more amber (suppose it last longer too).
We found the bracelet after in the washing machine (OH put it in his pocket). We now put necklace doubled over on one ankle and bracelet on the other. When she was getting her bottom teeth had to give calpol a couple of times at night. She cut both her top teeth fri night gave her calpo around 11.30pm fri night and sat morning had both her top teeth and very sore bum.
But considering she cut both teeth in one night and only needed calpol once this was great.
Also i find the dribbling has eased off loads now that we have the necklace.

Neyite

lounakin wrote: »

I have a couple of necklaces but they are too big for my baby and I find them dangerous. I want to get a smaller one or an anklet, are those as effective as the necklaces?

They say you need a couple of the anklets for them to be effective. I use the necklace, but doubled up under his sock so he can't get at it.

dahamsta

I just want to state for the record: amber will NOT sooth a child's teething. It's nonsense, pure and simple, no ifs ands or buts. If your child seems better after putting it on, it would have been better anyway.

Please don't buy products from these charlatan snake oil salesmen, you're supporting an industry that shouldn't exist, and advertising your gullibility in the process. I know you're tired but seriously, apply the logic circuits for just a second and think about it....

liliq

dahamsta wrote: »

I just want to state for the record: amber will NOT sooth a child's teething. It's nonsense, pure and simple, no ifs ands or buts. If your child seems better after putting it on, it would have been better anyway.

Please don't buy products from these charlatan snake oil salesmen, you're supporting an industry that shouldn't exist, and advertising your gullibility in the process. I know you're tired but seriously, apply the logic circuits for just a second and think about it....

Why do you claim it's nonsense?

How Strange

dahamsta I think you forgot to add 'in your opinion'. The pros and cons of amber necklaces for teething have been argued to death on this forum so it's probably better to use the adage 'each to their own'. You don't see any benefit in them, others do. That's what makes life interesting. It'd be boring if we all agreed on everything!

pwurple

Dahamsta may have worded it strongly, but surely doesn't need to add 'in my opinion'. we are on a message board, I'm pretty sure everything anyone writes here is their opinion. Every post on the whole site would need to prefaced with it.

Amber necklaces came into fashion from a couple of celeb babies wearing them, and magazines picking up on it. There is no ancient wisdom, it's a noughties fad. They are in the same league of effectiveness for teething as tarot cards and homeopathy (except with the added strangulation risk).

Plenty of people swear by zodiac too, and as long as it does no harm, off with them. Each to their own, as long as we are all aware that it is in that genre of items, not some kind of actual medical device.

implausible

In Ben Goldacre's book, 'Bad Science', he refers to an effect and the name of it escapes me - basically, his contention is that we turn to homeopathy or alternative cures when pain and discomfort are at their worst or nearly at their worst. We take something and the symptoms, because they are at their worst, begin to abate - the only thing that can happen. We then credit the 'cure'. Later, we take it because it worked, we expect it to work and our perception is that it worked.

I'd be skeptical about the Teetha powders too.

pwurple

That effect is called "regression to the mean'. You resort to the alternative items at the very worst point, when it is going to get better naturally anyway. Item is then associated with relief in your mind. It is a strong effect, you have seen it with your own eyes after all. Same thing is seen with arnica for bruising, and all the alternative treatments for the common cold.

liliq

pwurple wrote: »

That effect is called "regression to the mean'. You resort to the alternative items at the very worst point, when it is going to get better naturally anyway. Item is then associated with relief in your mind. It is a strong effect, you have seen it with your own eyes after all. Same thing is seen with arnica for bruising, and all the alternative treatments for the common cold.

In something like teething though, it will reach a "peak" numerous times as more teeth come through, so I'm not sure if that would always apply to teething as it might to more acute conditions.

pwurple

liliq wrote: »

In something like teething though, it will reach a "peak" numerous times as more teeth come through, so I'm not sure if that would always apply to teething as it might to more acute conditions.

No, It never ever works for acute conditions, it only works for complaints that take a while to go away by themselves. Coldsores, backpain, teething, a burn or bruise, and the common cold are good examples. The effect only needs to happen once ever, and then people are convinced forever. Next time they are sure it will work, so the expectation is there.. Babies are people too afterall. They respond to their parents expectations and reassurances.

Pretty interesting phenomenon all the same though eh! Our mind plays funny tricks on us.

Ms2011

pwurple wrote: »

 Next time they are sure it will work, so the expectation is there.. Babies are people too afterall. They respond to their parents expectations and reassurances.

I don't buy that a baby as young as say 5 months can know that it's parent is putting this item on him/her to give them relief from teething pain that's where I think the above theory is flawed.
I like to think my 8 month old is pretty smart but if I thought he could read my expectations at this age I'd be signing him up for Mensa, even my OH has trouble reading my expectations & he's 42

Neyite

Amber may very well be a load of bunkum., but if it means that he needs calpol and neurofen rarely instead of maxing out on both and walking him around for hours while he cried with the pain like he was prior to the first two teeth, then all I can say is bring on the snake oil!

He is teething again - as been for a few weeks now, drooling like mad, red cheeks, gnawing on everything and I have yet to hear him cry like he did on the first teeth before the amber.

Squiggler

My little guy is 12 weeks, been teething for the past 6 weeks. From the beginning he had red cheeks, burning acidic drool and nappies and was absolutely miserable - crying inconsolably for hours.

We got him an amber necklace (which he wears around his wrist under his vests) and since he started wearing it there's been no more acid drool and red bum. He's got 4 teeth pushing up now, there was only one that first week, so I don't think it is because things have eased off.

It certainly seems to make a difference, and if we leave it off for a day or two he "coincidentally" seems to revert to red bum and drool that burns my face and his.

We've been using Teetha Granules too, he loves them

liliq

pwurple wrote: »

No, It never ever works for acute conditions, it only works for complaints that take a while to go away by themselves. Coldsores, backpain, teething, a burn or bruise, and the common cold are good examples. The effect only needs to happen once ever, and then people are convinced forever. Next time they are sure it will work, so the expectation is there.. Babies are people too afterall. They respond to their parents expectations and reassurances.

Not entirely convinced of that argument in this case to be honest, but each to their own

Hannibal Smith

sometimes teething does come and go in waves....you have days even hours where they are in pain etc....and then it eases off. I say this because we have gone through the whole teething process for months now...we just have no teeth to show for it

also regarding the medicating...its awful if you have one of those babies who teeth badly and you have to keep 'doped' up. thankfully our two (so far) have never suffered so badly that we've had to medicate to that extent and it must be awful if you do.

but one thing that turns me off amber stuff is the fact that it is absorbed into the skin and unless you mine the amber yourself you have no idea what that little bead is made of. you buy from someone on the internet..what regulations cover them? who are they? what else is being absorbed? am I right in thinking there is no research done into the beads?

so no I would never use snake oil or anything that I wasn't sure about.

pwurple

Ms2011 wrote: »

I don't buy that a baby as young as say 5 months can know that it's parent is putting this item on him/her to give them relief from teething pain that's where I think the above theory is flawed.
I like to think my 8 month old is pretty smart but if I thought he could read my expectations at this age I'd be signing him up for Mensa, even my OH has trouble reading my expectations & he's 42

? I am saying they respond to your actions. Does yours not?

I know that when I pick up my child and soothe her if she is upset, she responds to that. If she has bumped her head for example, I didn't actually cure the pain with a cuddle, but she still calms down.

Hannibal, I was wary of that also when I looked at these, but there is very little chance any amber gets into the bloodstream. There is a very special set of conditions required for transdermal absorbtion, and beads don't meet those.

They move around, and are round, there is no adhesion, so the prolonged contact is minimal. Also, the beads would wear down or get smaller if they were being absorbed. This does not happen. Items suitable for absortion have a low molecular weight, amber has a high molecular weight. The substance needs to have a high lipid solubility, amber is not lipid soluble. Therre is no solvent present for transfer. I could go on and on... Our skin is pretty good at its job as security guard. It protects each of us against the influx of toxins and is largely impermeable to the penetration of foreign molecules.

Luckily, you have about the same chance of them absorbing their babygrow.

Ms2011

pwurple wrote: »

? I am saying they respond to your actions. Does yours not?

I know that when I pick up my child and soothe her if she is upset, she responds to that. If she has bumped her head for example, I didn't actually cure the pain with a cuddle, but she still calms down.

A cuddle is totally different, babies (& people) are instinctively designed to acquire comfort from close bodily contact but not from an inanimate object.

If I have a headache a cuddle from my OH is sometimes all I need to feel better but if he gave me a bracelet that he believed could make me feel better, when I didn't know the intention it would have no effect on me.

dahamsta

How Strange wrote: »

dahamsta I think you forgot to add 'in your opinion'.

I'll tell you what, if you can show me a single independent peer-reviewed study that proves beads - BEADS, dammit - perform better than placebo, I'll happily retract my statement.

It's not my opinion, it's a statement of fact: Amber beads have the same efficacy as homoeopathic "remedies". None.

It's the children I feel sorry for, growing up to believe this nonsense.

dublinlady

dahamsta wrote: »

I'll tell you what, if you can show me a single independent peer-reviewed study that proves beads - BEADS, dammit - perform better than placebo, I'll happily retract my statement.

It's not my opinion, it's a statement of fact: Amber beads have the same efficacy as homoeopathic "remedies". None.

It's the children I feel sorry for, growing up to believe this nonsense.

It's good to have an opinion... It's rude to call other people's nonsense.

implausible

dublinlady wrote: »

It's good to have an opinion... It's rude to call other people's nonsense.

Yes, it would be rude...if you were comparing two opinions. But you're not, you're comparing a non-scientific belief with a fact. If someone believed that the world was round, would it be rude to suggest that that was nonsense?

dublinlady

implausible wrote: »

Yes, it would be rude...if you were comparing two opinions. But you're not, you're comparing a non-scientific belief with a fact. If someone believed that the world was round, would it be rude to suggest that that was nonsense?

http://www.britishhomeopathic.org/research/the_evidence_for_homeopathy.html

There's no evidence to say it doesn't work. And for the sake of what may or may not be a placebo effect - if its working for someone who are you to tell them it's not. Are you all knowing when there's no evidence either way?

Tell someone receiving unconventional treatment of any sort with no evidence for support for cancer it's nonsense and then think about whether or not that's rude. There's no evidence. It works for them. That's their opinion. Boils down to same thing - it's not yours - but that doesn't make you right.

I'm in the medical profession - I don't think it's intelligent to dismiss treatment purely due to a lack if clinical evidence in certain circumstances.

But again - that's my opinion - which you may be rude enough to call nonsense.

pwurple

Ms2011 wrote: »

A cuddle is totally different, babies (& people) are instinctively designed to acquire comfort from close bodily contact but not from an inanimate object.

If I have a headache a cuddle from my OH is sometimes all I need to feel better but if he gave me a bracelet that he believed could make me feel better, when I didn't know the intention it would have no effect on me.

I dunno now, if it were a blinged out bracelet....as a way of telling me we won the lotto, I might be a bit perked up.

Like I said, regression to the mean is a strong effect. I'm not going to be able to dissuade anyone who has seen it with their own eyes.

pwurple

dublinlady wrote: »

http://www.britishhomeopathic.org/research/the_evidence_for_homeopathy.html

There's no evidence to say it doesn't work. And for the sake of what may or may not be a placebo effect - if its working for someone who are you to tell them it's not. Are you all knowing when there's no evidence either way?

What is the point of that link? Seriously, the homeopathic society? Come on! Love the way they have swapped out the defined standard 'Peer reviewed trial' for the complete undefined bunkum of 'Randomly controlled trial'. Hocus pocus, alakazam!

dublinlady

pwurple wrote: »

What is the point of that link? Seriously, the homeopathic society? Come on! Love the way they have swapped out the defined standard 'Peer reviewed trial' for the complete undefined bunkum of 'Randomly controlled trial'. Hocus pocus, alakazam!

wow....
ramdom controlled trials as defined by websters medical dictionary...one of the most common used by medics worldwise... Most clinical trials which are required for all licensed medicines involve this type of trial....
seriously underfined bunkum? If your gonna start a needless arguement at least be correct...




Definition of Randomized controlled trial


Randomized controlled trial: (RCT) A study in which people are allocated at random (by chance alone) to receive one of several clinical interventions. One of these interventions is the standard of comparison or control. The control may be a standard practice, a placebo ("sugar pill"), or no intervention at all. Someone who takes part in a randomized controlled trial (RCT) is called a participant or subject. RCTs seek to measure and compare the outcomes after the participants receive the interventions. Because the outcomes are measured, RCTs are quantitative studies. In sum, RCTs are quantitative, comparative, controlled experiments in which investigators study two or more interventions in a series of individuals who receive them in random order. The RCT is one of the simplest and most powerful tools in clinical research.

Hannibal Smith

dahamsta wrote: »

It's the children I feel sorry for, growing up to believe this nonsense.

whoa this is way out of line. at the end of the day everyone is doing the best for their kid and the parenting decisions, although different to yours, are full of nothing but good intentions.

pwurple

Dublinlady, you can't take something published by the homeopathic nuts as either independent or peer reviewed. Their 'trials' listed in the link are for hay fever and vertigo. Sorry, they are not reputable.

My query was that the link says nothing about amber beads, or teething, and I am questioning you using it as a response to someone asking for a peer reviewed study showing any evidence in favour of wrapping a string of beads around a baby for anything.

Are the beads even supposed to be homeopathic? I don't get it.

Homeopathy for children I think is actually mostly ok, as it is all water or sugar pills, which can't do much harm. Can't be overdosed, ok for breastfeeding obviously, as there are zero active ingredients, and adults feel like they are doing something. Win win win. Where it only goes wrong is where it goes too far, medical conditions are neglected and a child dies. http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/asia-pacific/homeopaths-jailed-over-babys-death

The beads are probably fine for those same reasons, as long as they aren't wrapped around their necks, or left somewhere where the beads can split and be choked on. We have several children in this country who have died on simple blind chords. As long as they are used safely... No harm.

January

Mod Note: I think it's time we stopped arguing for/against the benefit of amber necklaces/homeopathy etc etc and stick to giving advice on what worked for your baby. If amber worked (or appeared to work for the doubters) then it's a one up for the baby right? Any more on thread bickering or personal attacks on members and their beliefs will not be tolerated.

Personally, Teetha granules always calmed my girls down.

Gee_G

Squiggler wrote: »

My little guy is 12 weeks, been teething for the past 6 weeks. From the beginning he had red cheeks, burning acidic drool and nappies and was absolutely miserable - crying inconsolably for hours.

We got him an amber necklace (which he wears around his wrist under his vests) and since he started wearing it there's been no more acid drool and red bum. He's got 4 teeth pushing up now, there was only one that first week, so I don't think it is because things have eased off.

It certainly seems to make a difference, and if we leave it off for a day or two he "coincidentally" seems to revert to red bum and drool that burns my face and his.

We've been using Teetha Granules too, he loves them

My little man absolutely loves the Teetha Granules, but I think they must taste sweet or something because it's not too many things that he will willingly take!
I've never tried the Amber beads but a lot of my friends use them and I've heard good reports. I find the teetha gel good too if I give it a while before his bottle. But if he gets much worse I don't know what I'll do! Chewing like mad

dublinlady

My little one seems to think teetha granules are like sherbert - loves them! Not sure if they help her or not as we always seem to give them along with nurofen - but the nurofen works anyway! Calpol doesnt seem to help - maybe as theresno anti inflammatory in it. Amber anklet helps herslef - only noticed it when i lost her first one at a awimming class!

I didnt mean to be argumentative - so from my side im sorry if it came acorss that way - i think each of us is doing our best as parents and i believe we should be allowed to share our tips with others whether they old wives tales or not without criticism, I think the amber beads debate gets everyone wound up and im sorry if i came across as agressive in any side of the debate!
Big believer in each to their own and freedom of opinion. I love hearing the huge variety of advice on this forum as i learn alot from it as a first time (soon to be second but still not much wiser) mother.

implausible

dublinlady wrote: »

But again - that's my opinion - which you may be rude enough to call nonsense.

I don't think at any stage on this thread that I have been rude. I did not rubbish anyone's beliefs either, merely offered an explanation as to why and how alternative treatments might be seen to work and why others might get worked up about it.

As for the teething - something cold to chew, Calpol and hugs got us through it.

Squiggler

Gee_G wrote: »

My little man absolutely loves the Teetha Granules, but I think they must taste sweet or something because it's not too many things that he will willingly take!
I've never tried the Amber beads but a lot of my friends use them and I've heard good reports. I find the teetha gel good too if I give it a while before his bottle. But if he gets much worse I don't know what I'll do! Chewing like mad

We also got him various gel filled teethers that can be kept in the fridge so they're nice and cold for him to chew on, but Mommy's finger is still the chew toy of choice - but won't be an option shortly as one tooth has already begun to cut through. For the teethers we found the Nuby ones best.

Hannibal Smith

Squiggler wrote: »

We also got him various gel filled teethers that can be kept in the fridge so they're nice and cold for him to chew on, but Mommy's finger is still the chew toy of choice - but won't be an option shortly as one tooth has already begun to cut through. For the teethers we found the Nuby ones best.

I dont think I've ever used a teether...I always use my finger