Martial Law declared at Seaside Heights and nearby towns along the east coast.

Run_to_da_hills

With just three days before the US presidential election Martial law has been declared at Jersey Shore and Seaside Heights which is just east of New Jersey.

Is this just the beginning of it? :eek:

Could this spread to other effected towns and cities?

Could this be an excuse to postpone the elections?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWJHv99IiSQ

RMD

To think it could be effectively enforced throughout the country to impact on the elections in a time span of 3 days is ridiculous. Also, why are you referring to yourself in the 3rd person?

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

With just three days before the US presidential election Martial law has been declared at Jersey Shore and Seaside Heights which is just east of New Jersey.

Is this just the beginning of it? :eek:

Could this spread to other effected towns and cities?

Could this be an excuse to postpone the elections?.

So this is the master plan? Declare martial law in a tiny seaside town, but not actually tell anyone.

You must be getting desperate with another failed prediction looming so close....

Corkfeen

King Mob wrote: »

So this is the master plan? Declare martial law in a tiny seaside town, but not actually tell anyone.

You must be getting desperate with another failed prediction looming so close....

Does this mean 'Jersey Shore' will be off the airwaves? If so, they can take it. :pac:

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Is this just the beginning of it? :eek:

Could this spread to other effected towns and cities?

Could this be an excuse to postpone the elections?.

Why you asking these questions when you've made clear predictions?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

So this is the master plan? Declare martial law in a tiny seaside town, but not actually tell anyone.

Its amazing what a tiny bit of yeast can do.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its amazing what a tiny bit of yeast can do.

So can you confirm that this is what you predicted would happen and you are still claiming that the entire country is going to be under martial law before the election?

Can you provide any evidence that martial law has actually been declared anywhere?

Daithi 1

I'd be interested to know the presidential approval ratings comparison prior and post hurricane Sandy.

Corkfeen

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I'd be interested to know the presidential approval ratings comparison prior and post hurricane Sandy.

The effects of Sandy were still considered to be extremely unpredictable in the sense that they could have just as easily have affected Obama's campaign negatively. Also, you know it would require the president to have the power to control weather. If he had such a power, he could openly admit to it and would probably get reelected as a result of it.....

In terms of the stats, Romney had a high just after the first presidential debate but his chance of winning has been dropping week by week. In fact, the event that has pretty much decided that Obama will win is unrelated to Hurricane Sandy. That would be the exposure of Romney's lies about outsourcing.
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121103/POLITICS01/211030350/

Ohio is a key state that basically guarantees your victory if you get it which Romney most likely won't as a result of his own idiocy. So really the impact of Hurricane sandy is negligible, particularly for the fact that the states that were hit were going to vote democrat anyway. The likes of Nate Silver who tends to be extremely accurate has had the odds of Obama winning at over 75% for a couple of weeks. Clinton had awful approval ratings before his reelection but it didn't majorly affect the outcome. He left office with some of the highest approval ratings.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

So this is the master plan? Declare martial law in a tiny seaside town, but not actually tell anyone.

You must be getting desperate with another failed prediction looming so close....

Failed prediction? Hasn't he predicted the implementation of Martial Law prior to the elections?

And what is desperate about his questions? If sections of the population are under a military lockdown and therefore unable to vote in a presidential election surely it is reasonable, and indeed proper that the elections are postponed until the restrictions are lifted?

Corkfeen

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Failed prediction? Hasn't he predicted the implementation of Martial Law prior to the elections?

And what is desperate about his questions? If sections of the population are under a military lockdown and therefore unable to vote in a presidential election surely it is reasonable, and indeed proper that the elections are postponed until the restrictions are lifted?

They're accommodating voters in areas that have been unable to vote through standard means. So there is no effort to prevent them from voting. Also New Jersey always leans towards the left so nefarious schemes against people that are voting for you is illogical.

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie and his counterpart in New York, Gov. Andrew Cuomo, have been reviewing how to prepare their respective states for November 6 - while simultaneously trying to restore electricity and access to food and water.
Both states have asked power companies to prioritize electricity to polling stations this coming Tuesday.
New Jersey will allow any state resident that has been displaced by the storm to qualify as an overseas voter, meaning they can submit their ballot by fax or email.

Governor Christie also mandated that county clerks open their offices over the weekend to allow early voting and has called for paper ballots to be sent to polling stations still without power.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227600/New-Jersey-announces-email-voting-option-presidential-election-Northeast-scrambles-prepare-polling-stations-amid-Sandy-clean-efforts.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

So they can vote and their options have been opened up due to the issues. No one is stopping anyone from voting. If they postponed the elections you'd be claiming that it's part of Obama's plot. (They've also never postponed a presidential election in America's history) A single news station has used the words 'martial law' and the likes of Alex Jones has leapt upon it.

Brown Bomber

Corkfeen wrote: »

They're accommodating voters in areas that have been unable to vote through standard means. So there is no effort to prevent them from voting. Also New Jersey always leans towards the left so nefarious schemes against people that are voting for you is illogical.

So they can vote and their options have been opened up due to the issues. No one is stopping anyone from voting. If they postponed the elections you'd be claiming that it's part of Obama's plot. (They've also never postponed a presidential election in America's history)

Right, but that article was published today. RTTH posted his question yesterday. My point was that his questions were reasonable and not "desperate"as King Mob has claimed.

juan.kerr

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Could this spread to other effected towns and cities?

Don't you mean infected?

I'm assuming this is another zombie outbreak.

Corkfeen

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Right, but that article was published today. RTTH posted his question yesterday. My point was that his questions were reasonable and not "desperate"as King Mob has claimed.

Well, if he chose to look at what has happened to the area. He may understand why military assistance is needed. It's standard practise in a natural disaster for the military to enter the area. It happens when it floods or snows in Ireland. He is jumping to conclusions that do not support his theory in the slightest but he is attempting to make out that they do. Should the national guard have no involvement in assistance for conditions as awful as this?
http://www.examiner.com/article/hurriane-sandy-pictures-90-of-seaside-heights-homes-businesses-damaged
It is merely twisting disasters to fit the narrative that has been created by the likes of Jones.

Brown Bomber

Corkfeen wrote: »

Well, if he chose to look at what has happened to the area. He may understand why military assistance is needed. It's standard practise in a natural disaster for the military to enter the area. It happens when it floods or snows in Ireland. He is jumping to conclusions that do not support his theory in the slightest but he is attempting to make out that they do. Should the national guard involvement in assistance for conditions as awful as this?
http://www.examiner.com/article/hurriane-sandy-pictures-90-of-seaside-heights-homes-businesses-damaged

There is a difference between military assistance and martial law and your above points supports what I've been saying that his questions in the OP are reasonable and not "desperate" as King Mob has claimed.

Corkfeen

Brown Bomber wrote: »

There is a difference between military assistance and martial law and your above points supports what I've been saying that his questions in the OP are reasonable and not "desperate" as King Mob has claimed.

There's a curfew in place to prevent the likes of looting, that seems to be the degree that it extends to. It's also a lot safer and puts emergency services under less unnecessary pressure. It doesn't support his questions as being legitimate. While the article I linked to was from today, Chris Christie said on the second of November that they were working on means of helping those that are affected to vote.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/01/gov-christie-aims-to-make-voting-easier-in-the-aftermath-of-sandy/

The questions are designed as an effort to exploit the event to fit an agenda. Somewhat similar to Romney's Benghazi comments, they fall into the category of exploitative and they a rather desperate attempt to prove that America falling under Martial law is true.

Run_to_da_hills

Corkfeen wrote: »

Well, if he chose to look at what has happened to the area. He may understand why military assistance is needed. It's standard practise in a natural disaster for the military to enter the area. It happens when it floods or snows in Ireland. He is jumping to conclusions that do not support his theory in the slightest but he is attempting to make out that they do. Should the national guard have no involvement in assistance for conditions as awful as this?
http://www.examiner.com/article/hurriane-sandy-pictures-90-of-seaside-heights-homes-businesses-damaged
It is merely twisting disasters to fit the narrative that has been created by the likes of Jones.

The press interview video in the OP specifically stated "Martial Law" and not "military assistance".

There is a big difference, one will involve trucks arriving with military personnel assisting with shovels and pick axes, erecting military hospitals, providing kitchens and temporary accommodation.

The other ie Martial law involves "law and order" and may require night time curfews, take over of local transport, communications and extreme measures of military action should there be any hostilities.

I believe the latter in this case as according to many reports very little is being done.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227307/Hurricane-Sandy-Misery-2-5-million-STILL-power-days-lawlessness-fear-over.html

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Failed prediction? Hasn't he predicted the implementation of Martial Law prior to the elections?

Yes, of the entire county.
It had not come to pass, surprisingly.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And what is desperate about his questions? If sections of the population are under a military lockdown and therefore unable to vote in a presidential election surely it is reasonable, and indeed proper that the elections are postponed until the restrictions are lifted?

Because martial law has not actually been declared in any of the places he suggested. There was nothing at all besides a rampant imagination to suggest that anyone would be not allowed to vote.
His questions are as valid and reasonable as "asking" whether or not they are simply going to nuke the eastern seaboard rather than deal with the cleanup.
But it's clear he's only asking questions to hedge his bets in case he's wrong yet again.

So do you believe that this is the start of a nationwide implementation of martial law?
Do you believe that martial law will be enacted before the election?

Do you think that RdtH's prediction is based on good evidence?

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The press interview video in the OP specifically stated "Martial Law" and not "military assistance".

There is a big difference, one will involve trucks arriving with military personnel assisting with shovels and pick axes, erecting military hospitals, providing kitchens and temporary accommodation.

The other ie Martial law involves "law and order" and may require night time curfews, take over of local transport, communications and extreme measures of military action should there be any hostilities.

I believe the latter in this case as according to many reports very little is being done.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227307/Hurricane-Sandy-Misery-2-5-million-STILL-power-days-lawlessness-fear-over.html

Could you please post something from a government official specifically stating that martial law has been declared?

Brown Bomber

Corkfeen wrote: »

There's a curfew in place to prevent the likes of looting, that seems to be the degree that it extends to. It's also a lot safer and puts emergency services under less unnecessary pressure. It doesn't support his questions as being legitimate. While the article I linked to was from today, Chris Christie said on the second of November that they were working on means of helping those that are affected to vote.
http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/11/01/gov-christie-aims-to-make-voting-easier-in-the-aftermath-of-sandy/

The questions are designed as an effort to exploit the event to fit an agenda. Somewhat similar to Romney's Benghazi comments, they fall into the category of exploitative and they a rather desperate attempt to prove that America falling under Martial law is true.

I'd be confident that that RTTH, like most, isn't a regular visitor to CBS Philly to be fair.

Given the situation can you tell me why his questions in the OP aren't reasonable? Taken in isolation that is, put your prejudices of RTTH to one side.You've already succesfully argued IMO that questions 1 and 2 are reasonable.

Is this just the beginning of it?

Could this spread to other effected towns and cities?

Could this be an excuse to postpone the elections?.

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

Yes, of the entire county.
It had not come to pass, surprisingly.

According to press reports Martial Law has been implemented prior to the Presidential election. Therefore his prediction was partially correct.

King Mob wrote: »

Because martial law has not actually been declared in any of the places he suggested. There was nothing at all besides a rampant imagination to suggest that anyone would be not allowed to vote.

Well maybe you might want to keep your own "rampant imagination" in check then. Nobody mentioned anything about "anyone would not be able to vote". Did they?

The implementation of localised martial law during a Presidential election obviously could lead to complications which could enable a suspension of the election.

King Mob wrote: »

His questions are as valid and reasonable as "asking" whether or not they are simply going to nuke the eastern seaboard rather than deal with the cleanup.
But it's clear he's only asking questions to hedge his bets in case he's wrong yet again.

No, it's not clear. He has asked reasonable questions. You've been wrong on a number of occasions yourself to be fair.

King Mob wrote: »

So do you believe that this is the start of a nationwide implementation of martial law?
Do you believe that martial law will be enacted before the election?

Do you think that RdtH's prediction is based on good evidence?

I haven't been following the story so cannot comment.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

Could you please post something from a government official specifically stating that martial law has been declared?

And I forgot to mention about the hollow point shoot to kill rounds that these military personnel will be armed with.

Witcher

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And I forgot to mention about the hollow point shoot to kill rounds that these military personnel will be armed with.

If the army were looking to kill people they wouldn't go out of their way to use a round that is actually safer in a crowded area than a full metal jacket round.

'Shoot to kill rounds' Jesus......

Corkfeen

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'd be confident that that RTTH, like most, isn't a regular visitor to CBS Philly to be fair.

Given the situation can you tell me why his questions in the OP aren't reasonable? Taken in isolation that is, put your prejudices of RTTH to one side.You've already succesfully argued IMO that questions 1 and 2 are reasonable.

He could have googled for news on new jersey voting if he was uncertain. His implication with the questions is that Obama was intending to use the event to manipulate the election system and to spread martial law across the east coast. The second question is legitimate however the reason he is asking them is out desperation to prove the theory to be right. 'Is this just the beginning?' implies that the big bad government is plotting to have gestapo like rule over the populous.

There is also no official declaration of martial law. Every press outlet would be running it if there was, in fact they would be required to. Press tv and infowars say there is, plus a news station misused the statement which seems to be the origin of the story. The correct term would be a 'state of emergency' which has similarities but that's about it. That was officially declared in eight states including New Jersey, that is verifiable. So the prediction has in fact failed even if you'd prefer to claim otherwise. Here is evidence of the declaration...... But it's becoming a bit of annoyance if it's gonna be completely ignored.

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2012/10/27/christie-declares-state-of-emergency-for-new-jersey-as-storm-approaches/

The intent of the poster cannot be ignored.

Run_to_da_hills

As we can see the environment is ripe for testing Martial Law. Maybe this is just a small practice run for the "big one".

New Jersey shore declares martial law

Unrest growing among NJ, NY citizens: Dumpster diving for food, fist fights over fuel, tempers flare in Sandy aftermath

Martial Law Officially Declared in Parts of New Jersey As Hurricane Sandy Brings Massive Damage, Flooding

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

According to press reports Martial Law has been implemented prior to the Presidential election. Therefore his prediction was partially correct.

But we've yet to see anything to confirm that martial law has actually been declared anywhere at all.

But ignoring that, and considering that Rtdh is predicting it nationwide, I believe my assessment that claiming martial law in a tiny seaside town is a successful prediction, is a desperate stretch.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well maybe you might want to keep your own "rampant imagination" in check then. Nobody mentioned anything about "anyone would not be able to vote". Did they?

The implementation of localised martial law during a Presidential election obviously could lead to complications which could enable a suspension of the election.

So no one mentioned people not being able to vote, but we are talking about people not being able to vote?

Brown Bomber wrote: »

No, it's not clear. He has asked reasonable questions. You've been wrong on a number of occasions yourself to be fair.

But they are not reasonable. They are exactly as silly as asking whether or not the government are tricking people into concentration camps by providing shelter to evacuees. Or asking if emergency services demolishing dangerously unstable buildings is the beginning of the government going around and demolishing people's homes all over the country.
The answer to all of these questions is clearly "no", and to suggest that it is not is to be (wilfully) ignorant of inconvenient facts.

And since it's clear that Rtdh believes that the answers to his questions are "yes", it's clear that they are only questions so that he won't have to worry about being wrong when he inevitably will be.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I haven't been following the story so cannot comment.

So conveniently you don't have to disagree with him.... :rolleyes:

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

As we can see the environment is ripe for testing Martial Law. Maybe this is just a small practice run for the "big one".

ah ah no back-pedaling..

We're waiting for martial law to be declared across the US so that the anti-Christ (Obama) can arise and enslave them.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And I forgot to mention about the hollow point shoot to kill rounds that these military personnel will be armed with.

That's not an answer to the question I posed.

Can you provide something official to confirm that martial law has been declared or not?

moneymad

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

With just three days before the US presidential election Martial law has been declared at Jersey Shore and Seaside Heights which is just east of New Jersey.

More lies. A curfew has been imposed though, for obvious reasons.

Run_to_da_hills

moneymad wrote: »

More lies. A curfew has been imposed though, for obvious reasons.

And who may I ask enforces the curfew?

The local clergy?

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And who may I ask enforces the curfew?

The local clergy?

A curfew is not martial law. Claiming it is, is a lie.

So again please provide a link to an official government source that says specifically that martial law has been declared.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

A curfew is not martial law. Claiming it is, is a lie.

So again please provide a link to an official government source that says specifically that martial law has been declared.

Who will enforce martial law then?

Either one or a combination of the following:
(BTW all these departments have an ample supply of hollow point rounds )

Military Police.
The US Army.
National Guard.
DHS
FEMA.

Your local police department along that stretch of coastline is obviously not going to have the man power or resources to enforce it.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Who will enforce martial law then?

Either one or a combination of the following:
(BTW all these departments have an ample supply of hollow point rounds )

Military Police.
The US Army.
National Guard.
DHS
FEMA.

Your local police department along that stretch of coastline is obviously not going to have the man power or resources to enforce it.

Even if the curfew is enforced by any of those agencies (which it's probably not) it's not martial law.

Why are you unable to provide an official declaration?
How do you know it's actually been declared?

Witcher

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

(BTW all these departments have an ample supply of hollow point rounds )

You're gonna keeping grinding on that aren't ya?:pac:

Corkfeen

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Who will enforce martial law then?

Either one or a combination of the following:
(BTW all these departments have an ample supply of hollow point rounds )

Military Police.
The US Army.
National Guard.
DHS
FEMA.

Your local police department along that stretch of coastline is obviously not going to have the man power or resources to enforce it.

I've provided evidence of an official declaration of a state of emergency. There is no evidence of martial law being imposed. Are you simply going to bring up previous theories that are equally baseless? Show us an official declaration of martial law until such a time, we can accept that it has not occurred...

Sarky

To call rtdh's latest flight of fancy "wildly and despicably inaccurate" would be doing a terrible disservice to far more plausible conspiracy theories. The one about the lizard people, for example.

moneymad

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And who may I ask enforces the curfew?

The local clergy?

Stop telling lies.

Witcher

moneymad wrote: »

Stop telling lies.

I think RTDH told so many lies as a kid and got so many digs in the head for it that it's left him in the state he is now:pac:

Brown Bomber

Blay wrote: »

I think RTDH told so many lies as a kid and got so many digs in the head for it that it's left him in the state he is now:pac:

Brilliant.
Have you anything productive to add?

Brown Bomber

Sarky wrote: »

To call rtdh's latest flight of fancy "wildly and despicably inaccurate" would be doing a terrible disservice to far more plausible conspiracy theories. The one about the lizard people, for example.

Hilarious. You must've been working on that for a while, never heard that one before... Lizard people!...:pac:

moneymad

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Brilliant.
Have you anything productive to add?

Have you?

RMD

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Who will enforce martial law then?

Either one or a combination of the following:
(BTW all these departments have an ample supply of hollow point rounds )

Military Police.
The US Army.
National Guard.
DHS
FEMA.

Your local police department along that stretch of coastline is obviously not going to have the man power or resources to enforce it.

Since you keep banging the "hollow point" drum I assume you aren't aware hollow points are less efficient in the mass shooting of people. Want to cause havoc in a crowd of people? Use FMJ's, they'll rip through the first 1-2 people they hit and possibly even a third. HP's wont pass through the first person, albeit they'll wreck havoc on that persons insides.

The reason why many police forces / special forces etc use HP's is too minimize the risk of unintended causalities such as hostages / innocent bystanders.

Run_to_da_hills

RMD wrote: »

Since you keep banging the "hollow point" drum I assume you aren't aware hollow points are less efficient in the mass shooting of people. Want to cause havoc in a crowd of people? Use FMJ's, they'll rip through the first 1-2 people they hit and possibly even a third. HP's wont pass through the first person, albeit they'll wreck havoc on that persons insides.

The reason why many police forces / special forces etc use HP's is too minimize the risk of unintended causalities such as hostages / innocent bystanders.

Yes but look at an mess caused by a HP round, blood, guts and bone fragments splattered all a large area and a guaranteed kill even if its a case of mistaken identity.




At least with FMJ's, there is some chance of survival in a case of mistaken identity if the bullet passed through an individual or individuals.

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Yes but look at an mess caused by a HP round, blood, guts and bone fragments splattered all a large area and a guaranteed kill even if its a case of mistaken identity.




At least with FMJ's, there is some chance of survival in a case of mistaken identity if the bullet passed through an individual or individuals.

So they are only planning to kill people one at a time with pistols?
How does this make sense in your conspiracy world?

And since you've the time to babble on about the specific type of bullets they are using (while ignoring the fact you've been unable to address any of the problems with that part of the conspiracy), you've had time to find something official to confirm that martial law has been declared.

So where is it?

Run_to_da_hills

This may even deserve its own thread,

On the topic of Martial Law and FEMA logistics, an interesting note worth metioning regarding RFID tracker chips.

[URL="Formehttp://www.sfgate.com/business/prweb/article/State-of-New-Jersey-Awards-Radiant-RFID-5-Year-3960284.phpd"]New Jersey Contracted RFID Evacuee Tracking Tech Just about ten days before Sandy[/URL]

Radiant RFID will provide the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness (OHSP) with an RFID-based managed evacuation solution that tracks evacuees, pets, emergency transport vehicles and commodities deployed at state shelters in preparation for and in the event of a hurricane, natural disaster or other incident to assist in reunification of families.

MadsL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTTC_fD598A

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This may even deserve its own thread,

Or it's own forum - false prophecies and predictions

asherbassad

King Mob wrote: »

So this is the master plan? Declare martial law in a tiny seaside town, but not actually tell anyone.

You must be getting desperate with another failed prediction looming so close....

His predictions may be wild.....but you don't seem to question a single tiny step.

What is it now.....freedom of assembly (unless you think those "assembling" are weirdos, then it's ok to push them away?)

Freedom of speech....unless the guy who's speaking is saying sh!t you don't like..then shut him up. Beat him even?

It goes on...

Federal troops on the streets of the US....Posse Comitatus....and you don't bat an eyelid. After all, they're there to protect you...right? (Christ knows from what).

So.....Martial Law is declared in a seaside town. Why? Why noy in Manhattan 11 years ago? There was a hell of a lot more chaos there then.

enno99

RMD wrote: »

The reason why many police forces / special forces etc use HP's is too minimize the risk of unintended causalities such as hostages / innocent bystanders.

Or agents provocateurs,

asherbassad

asherbassad wrote: »

So.....Martial Law is declared in a seaside town. Why? Why noy in Manhattan 11 years ago? There was a hell of a lot more chaos there then.

But we've yet to actually see anything to show that martial law has been declared anywhere in the US in the first place.

Hence why I'm questioning Rdth's claims. He can't answer those questions.

Witcher

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Brilliant.
Have you anything productive to add?

I've added plenty to RTDH's threads..it's useless trying to engage in discussion with the guy because he doesn't reply to questions and just continues adding more and more links to dubious news outlets, so the next best thing is to take the piss out of him.