Superstorm Sandy... HAARP

frank reynolds

so, rumour has it that HAARP can control weather and create the likes of man-made hurricanes and tidal waves etc... has it crossed anyones mind that if that is possible, and if HAARP is tied into the NWO, as well as Obama needing to be in power to begin rolling out the NWO, that they purposely created a disaster so that Obama will be re-elected and thus, allowing a timeframe for the NWO to commence??

sounds a bit far-fetched i know, just want to see if anyone else had the same idea?

A Primal Nut

Why do conspiracy theories assume everything is somehow good for the incumbent president? Even though the storm occurred in states he is already guaranteed to win.

Not to mention...controlling the weather. :P

LeinsterDub

List* of things HAARP can do

1. Control weather
2. Earthquake
3. Strange cloud formations
4. Make a cup of tea
5. Time travel?

* not an exhaustive list

Jonny7

Well shucks.. the conspiracy has always gotta be something dark and sinister, never something good or helpful..

I am wondering how we even make any progress when all our leaders appear to be evil bond villians constantly plotting to spray us, control weather against us, put us in concentration camps, mind-control us and look at naked xrays pictures of us.

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

List* of things HAARP can do

1. Control weather
2. Earthquake
3. Strange cloud formations
4. Make a cup of tea
5. Time travel?

* not an exhaustive list

I like to think of HAARP as the sonic screwdriver of conspiracy theories.
It can do anything as long as it's convenient to the plot, regards of how little sense it makes or how much technobabble you need.

DoesNotCompute

frank reynolds wrote: »

as well as Obama needing to be in power to begin rolling out the NWO, that they purposely created a disaster so that Obama will be re-elected and thus, allowing a timeframe for the NWO to commence??

I've been reading about every US President since G. Bush senior needing to be re-elected / in power in order for the NWO to rollout their plans for world domination within said Presient's time in office. Hasn't happened yet.

Why Obama? What's so special about him in particular? Why not Bush Senior, Clinton, or G. W. Bush?

Pete M.

LeinsterDub wrote: »

List* of things HAARP can do

1. Control weather
2. Earthquake
3. Strange cloud formations
4. Make a cup of tea
5. Time travel?

* not an exhaustive list

6. Prophet :pac:

But seriously, weather can just happen sometimes like, as it always has, even before HAARP.

GalwayGuy2

I was tempted to post this as a joke:P

Daithi 1

Martial law implemented in New Jersey :

Watch how blasé she slips it in there..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWJHv99IiSQ

Duiske

Pete M. wrote: »

But seriously, weather can just happen sometimes like, as it always has, even before HAARP.

:eek: oh,oh. Denier Alert !!

Al Gore is hunting you down as I type. :pac::pac:

Pete M.

Duiske wrote: »

:eek: oh,oh. Denier Alert !!

Al Gore is hunting you down as I type. :pac::pac:

I'm a total tree hugger I'll have you know.

All I'm saying is that there were storms and other extreme weather events before HAARP came on the scene.

Al Gore is a dope btw :cool:

Duiske

Pete M. wrote: »

I'm a total tree hugger I'll have you know.

All I'm saying is that there were storms and other extreme weather events before HAARP came on the scene.

Al Gore is a dope btw :cool:

Only mess'in. Just been keeping an eye on the blogosphere the past few days, where it appears that anyone who suggests Sandy was caused by anything but Global Warming/Climate Change is being labeled a Climate Denier.

endacl

LeinsterDub wrote: »

List* of things HAARP can do

1. Control weather
2. Earthquake
3. Strange cloud formations
4. Make a cup of tea
5. Time travel?

* not an exhaustive list

If I may amend....

6. Produce awesome HAARP music sounds.

This was the most forum-appropriate example I could find.

:D:D

endacl

DoesNotCompute wrote: »

Why Obama? What's so special about him in particular? Why not Bush Senior, Clinton, or G. W. Bush?

Nothing at all special about Obama. It used to be Bush Senior, Clinton, and then G. W. Bush. Next week it'll either be Obama again, or Romney. Watch this space...

hooradiation

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Martial law implemented in New Jersey :

Incorrect.

Daithi 1

hooradiation wrote: »

Incorrect.

Incorrect.

Daithi 1

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Incorrect.

Could you then please provide an official statement that confirms martial law, or are you relying solely on this one clip from a local tv station?

hooradiation

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Incorrect.

Well then, pull on your big boy pants and back up your claim.

I'll wait.

Daithi 1

hooradiation wrote: »

Well then, pull on your big boy pants and back up your claim.

I'll wait.

Fair enough, looks like I got it wrong. In fairness, they say martial law is not off the table yet.

endacl

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Fair enough, looks like I got it wrong. In fairness, they say martial law is not off the table yet.

It hasn't happened yet, but it could happen?

Now, where have I read something like that before...

Daithi 1

endacl wrote: »

It hasn't happened yet, but it could happen?

Now, where have I read something like that before...

Mass ?

Daithi 1

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Fair enough, looks like I got it wrong. In fairness, they say martial law is not off the table yet.

Who say this? People like Rtdhs who always claim it all the time, yet are always wrong?
Why do you put any stock in these opinions, especially like in this instance they are clearly based on incorrect facts?

Daithi 1

"Look I share that concern, we don’t want to live in a place of martial law where elections are governed by the military, and there is a possibility of military presence being intimidating," Shalom said. "But what we’re seeing here is all hands on deck to make sure everyone can exercise their democratic right to vote."

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/11/sight_of_national_guard_truck.html

Last week, Governor Chris Christie toured the devastation with Rohan Green and Mayor Bill Curtis and called the coastline “unrecognizable.” Several communities farther south, like Mantoloking and Seaside Heights, remain off-limits to reporters and virtually under martial law.

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/11/05/in-new-jersey-a-well-to-do-community-struggles-to-recover-from-sandy/#ixzz2BSQGhAzT

In general, the Guard and officers avoided confrontation throughout the weekend, letting the most stubborn residents remain where they were as long as they could prove they lived there. Despite reports that the area has been placed under martial law, I saw no officials ordering citizens to evacuate, though that possibility hasn't been ruled out for the near future.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/jersey-shore-reduced-to-rubble-as-national-guard-steps-in/264566/

Conditions in New Jersey are now so bad, the state has officially declared some areas under martial law.

http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php/news/opinion/1907-hurricane-sandy-versus-the-habagat-rains

And ABC new confirm martial law in parts of NJ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83QrdkUpPi4

gbee

Making changes to the weather is possible but not controllable. HAARP making frequency waves in the upper atmosphere can cause blocking where blocking would not ordinarily be, that would mean that a storm may take a track more Easterly away from the US coast, sure is possible, no question.

Making a storm brake sooner than it would is also possible, indeed the Japanese are accused of making typhoons during the double ha double ha two Pacific skirmishes.

Setting up an upper level blocking pattern could also prevent a storm from forming but overall make the weather cloudy and unpleasant over a greater area and time frame. Poor summers and mild winters would be a classic study point to look out for, as would storm taking unusual courses, at least three this season have doubled back on themselves and changed direction which contradicts the norm.

Weather does one thing, it tries to balance out, storms are a violent way of bringing energy out of the atmosphere, if we did not have storms we would have severely extreme weather as the energy would eventually make deserts or ice fields.

Changing the weather can have unexpected consequences, simple cloud seeding may bring rain to a desert 100 miles inland, but then deprive the savannah of a monsoon 300 miles inland and such.

IMO, as a weather watcher there has attempts to manipulate the weather, I was highly suspicious as all the 'junkies' in the US were jumping on the 'we must do something, raise taxes, buy more sell more!!!!' as soon as Sandy had arrived, yes I'd be very suspicious.

Who benefits, well Obama is already held in respect over how he dealt with the storm ~ ??? don't ask me, but anyhow that has happened, Sandy may have been the extra bit necessary to get him another few years.

Can they make the storm go on a track and deliberately strike a specific spot? IMO, no, they can block over a general area, that may cause the storm to follow a path away from fixed locations, like the eastern seaboard of the USA, that's as crude as it is.

Daithi 1

Daithi 1 wrote: »

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/11/sight_of_national_guard_truck.html

Read more: http://nation.time.com/2012/11/05/in-new-jersey-a-well-to-do-community-struggles-to-recover-from-sandy/#ixzz2BSQGhAzT

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/11/jersey-shore-reduced-to-rubble-as-national-guard-steps-in/264566/
http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php/news/opinion/1907-hurricane-sandy-versus-the-habagat-rains

And ABC new confirm martial law in parts of NJ.

And not a single one of these is a official source declaring martial law.
Just reporters overhyping and misusing terms. One in fact says specifically that martial law is not in effect and that other reports are mistaken.

Why are you and your cohort having trouble finding this offical declaratiom?

Daithi 1

I have already stated that martial law has not been declared. I dont have a cohort, you do.
Some MSM are stating that martial law has been declared in certain areas, is it any wonder that many people believe it to be true.
I'm not sure of the process of declaring martial law, what would be the point of officially declaring it in an area where there is no power and word of mouth is the only communication. I'm guessing MSM have to check this stuff out prior to announcing it, maybe not. I don't really give much of a **** about it tbh, just passing time on an otherwise boring day.

Doubt doubt if ML is officially declared, you and your cohorts will simply move to the next stage and say.. "well that's a good thing, isnt it ? what's so bad about that." :rolleyes:

Daithi 1

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I have already stated that martial law has not been declared. I dont have a cohort, you do.

So then why are you reporting news reports as if they confirmed martial law?

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Some MSM are stating that martial law has been declared in certain areas, is it any wonder that many people believe it to be true.

Only people who do not check facts and apply a little critical thinking, hence why it's being repeated by so many conspiracy theorists.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I'm not sure of the process of declaring martial law, what would be the point of officially declaring it in an area where there is no power and word of mouth is the only communication.

Because it would be announced in places where there is power. And it's likely a legal requirement as in declaring a statement of emergency.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I'm guessing MSM have to check this stuff out prior to announcing it, maybe not. I don't really give much of a **** about it tbh, just passing time on an otherwise boring day.

And the MSM make mistakes.
I like how you repeat stuff without bothering to checking it yourself. A good way to get to the truth.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Doubt doubt if ML is officially declared, you and your cohorts will simply move to the next stage and say.. "well that's a good thing, isnt it ? what's so bad about that." :rolleyes:

Lol, yet the fact that Rtdh has just made a very very wrong prediction is given a pass by you...:rolleyes:

Daithi 1

King Mob wrote: »

A good way to get to the truth.

Yes. So it seems.

I thought it was common knowledge when i posted the video first, then I fact checked and I corrected myself before I had the displeasure of dealing with your usual smug miserable attitude.

Lol, yet the fact that Rtdh has just made a very very wrong prediction is given a pass by you...:rolleyes:

I have no idea what you are talking about or why you keep bringing rtdh into this discussion, im guessing your slightly obsessed with him.

Dont bother replying, i wont see it. Back to the block list with you.

Daithi 1

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Dont bother replying, i wont see it. Back to the block list with you.

Well the important thing is you're announcing that you are ignoring points and questions :rolleyes:

endacl

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Mass ?

No. Haven't been to mass since I was about 12. The only place you read that kind of dishonest pseudo-backdown from a position that has been demonstrated to be complete, total and utter crap, is from certain posters here.

Even politicians and priests will tend to eventually admit a mistake. They'll wriggle, but they'll admit it. With the exception of Bertie, of course. Does he post on here?

Does this put me on the block list too? Never use it meself. Prefer to defend statements.

CiaranMT

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Yes. So it seems.

I thought it was common knowledge when i posted the video first, then I fact checked and I corrected myself before I had the displeasure of dealing with your usual smug miserable attitude.

There's a lot that is presented as 'common knowledge' in this forum that plainly isn't. Hence why KM and others look for verified statements and proof. You call it smug and miserable when all is sought is accurate information.

Daithi 1

CiaranMT wrote: »

There's a lot that is presented as 'common knowledge' in this forum that plainly isn't. Hence why KM and others look for verified statements and proof. You call it smug and miserable when all is sought is accurate information.

Like I said, I withdrew it, while I was researching I came across several statements stating the option was not off the table.
I call it smug and miserable because that's what it is. I post very little on this forum over the past year or so, KM posts here constantly, daily, yet he reverts to personalizing the discussion by using terms like "Your Cohort" and name dropping rtdh, which is clearly intended to incite adverse reaction.
KM doesn't discuss matters with anyone, he tells you in a rather unpleasant and unfriendly manner and degrading tone, how it really is. There is no room for error.

Martial law was declared in New Orleans post Hurricane Katrina. I don't think it would be a surprise to many to see it declared in the worst hit areas of NJ. Common sense says the option is not off the table.

CiaranMT

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Martial law was declared in New Orleans post Hurricane Katrina. I don't think it would be a surprise to many to see it declared in the worst hit areas of NJ. Common sense says the option is not off the table.

Of course it wouldn't be. What sticks in the craw is the implication that any declaration of martial law is held up as a sign of nefarious action on the part of the US Government. Or was that not your implication in this post?

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Martial law implemented in New Jersey :

Watch how blasé she slips it in there..

Daithi 1

CiaranMT wrote: »

Of course it wouldn't be. What sticks in the craw is the implication that any declaration of martial law is held up as a sign of nefarious action on the part of the US Government. Or was that not your implication in this post?

I said no such thing.

It was very blasé.

CiaranMT

Daithi 1 wrote: »

I said no such thing.

It was very blasé.

Then why mention it at all, if you did not intend anything by it?

Could she not simply have said it due to the hectic situation she found herself in? I mean it was an enormous hurricane hitting her own home state, after all...

Daithi 1

CiaranMT wrote: »

Then why mention it at all, if you did not intend anything by it?

Was just sharing what I thought was valid information.

Could she not simply have said it due to the hectic situation she found herself in? I mean it was an enormous hurricane hitting her own home state, after all...

I have no idea what she could have said.

endacl

endacl wrote: »

Nothing at all special about Obama. It used to be Bush Senior, Clinton, and then G. W. Bush. Next week it'll either be Obama again, or Romney. Watch this space...

OK. Its Obama again. As you were.

Brown Bomber

endacl wrote: »

. Prefer to defend statements.

Not actually true though is it Enda?

Roughly 90% of all your posts are lame attempts at humour that either mocks runtothehills directly or in the third person. Couldn't you just follow him on twitter or something?

http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=396229&forum=576&sort=best&date_to=&date_from=&query=*%3A*&page=5

The Bishop!

Bomber, i believe the proper nomenclature is thanks whore.

endacl

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Not actually true though is it Enda?

Roughly 90% of all your posts are lame attempts at humour that either mocks runtothehills directly or in the third person. Couldn't you just follow him on twitter or something?

http://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?user=396229&forum=576&sort=best&date_to=&date_from=&query=*%3A*&page=5

Hey! Only on this forum. And only on the funniest rtdh posts.

You, I tend to ignore. Mostly. You seem to take this stuff more seriously, in an even odder way.

Rock on.

Daithi 1

I suspect martial law was declared since Sandy, you just didn't get your special announcement. So I suppose I was right and RTDH was right, all you other skeppies were WRONG. :pac: :P

CLIFTON PARK – Six members of the Clifton Park-Halfmoon Fire Department returned Thursday night from a 72-hour deployment to storm-battered Long Island.The crew answered about 40 routine calls on behalf of the Long Beach Fire Department. Martial law was in effect while most of the area still lingered without power, one firefighter said.
“At nighttime, pure black,” Clifton Park-Halfmoon Training Capt. J.D. Clairmont said. “[There were] helicopters flying overhead with spotlights; state police and National Guard patrolling throughout the night with their spotlights; state police with AR-15 assault rifles. I had never seen anything like that.”
During the week, utility crews restored power to some businesses and homes – prompting a flurry of carbon monoxide and fire alarms. Then the nor’easter pounded the area with heavy winds and snow, knocking out electricity once again.
“The minute it clicked on, it went off minutes later,” Clifton Park-Halfmoon Fire Chief Steffan Buck said. “If it wasn’t one thing, it was another. A tree limb would short out their breaker box. And it was back-and-forth, back-and-forth.”
At one point, the firefighters joined members of the Selkirk and Vischer Ferry Fire Departments in responding to a car fire which had engulfed two homes. They worked quickly to stop the spread of the flames, significantly containing the damage. The residents were not injured, Buck said.
By the end of the deployment, the crew was ready to head home to the family, friends, and fellow volunteers who greeted them at the station on Old Route 146.
“Just seeing everybody here, knowing that they were welcoming us, was a really good feeling,” Sgt. Chris Thurman said. “I’m going to go home and shower and shave and get back to normal life. Sleeping in a real bed will be good.”
The firefighters had been using cots and sleeping bags, Thurman said.
In the end, the volunteers – who were taking time off from their full time jobs to help -- said they welcomed the opportunity to assist in the disaster relief effort. Their efforts were not overlooked by the residents on Long Island.
“Every single person we saw thanked us for coming,” Clairmont, the training captain, said. “Even going down on the highway… people [were] honking their horns, waving to us and stuff. So it was a well-welcomed presence.”
Members of the Berne, Coeymans, Malta, Selkirk, Vischer Ferry, and Westerlo Fire Departments joined Clifton Park-Halfmoon in Long Beach.

Watch video >>

http://www.fox23news.com/news/local/story/Firefighter-I-had-never-seen-anything-like-that/QLfAHSh-KEqf3ThqRe_Z0g.cspx

hooradiation

Daithi 1 wrote: »

So I suppose I was right and RTDH was right, all you other skeppies were WRONG. :pac: :P

A bit premature there.

If martial law is declared (and actual martial law) then there ought to be a statement from the state or national military forces to that effect - because that's what martial law is.
It should not be confused with a state of emergency - which was declared and does allow for the deployment of the national guard, but isn't the same as martial law. Though I understand people do get confused.

So far, I'm not seeing any kind of report that confirms the martial law theory - though it's impossible to search into this topic because everything being returned is the same story as above, recycled and reprinted across every "alternative" news site without the the slightest bit of research, so it may well exist and I just haven't found it yet.

Daithi 1

Have you heard or seen the declaration of State emergency ?? Have you heard anyone on MSM state that ? No.
We are being told that martial law has been declared, not a state of national emergency. So that's most likely whats happening.

hooradiation

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Have you heard or seen the declaration of State emergency ?? Have you heard anyone on MSM state that ? No.

Sorry, this is wrong. So very, very wrong.

Gov. Bev Perdue of North Carolina declares state of emergency URL="http://www.wral.com/sandy-prompts-tropical-storm-watches-along-nc-coast/11703675/"]news item[/URLURL="http://www.governor.state.nc.us/NewsItems/PressReleaseDetail.aspx?newsItemid=2648"]statement[/URL
Mayor Vincent Gray of Washington declares state of emergency URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-mayor-declares-state-of-emergency-in-anticipation-of-hurricane-sandy/2012/10/26/88836b40-1fb3-11e2-8817-41b9a7aaabc7_story.html"]news item[/URLURL="http://mayor.dc.gov/release/district-government-prepares-hurricane-sandys-effectsuhf"]statement[/URL
Governer Jack Markell of Delaware declares state of emergency URL="http://www.wboc.com/story/19937625/sussex-county"]news[/URLURL="http://governor.delaware.gov/orders/StateofEmergencyOrder20121027.shtml"]statement[/URL


and that's just three from the Mid Atlantic area. I could keep going, but I feel my point has been made.

Daithi 1 wrote: »

We are being told that martial law has been declared, not a state of national emergency. So that's most likely whats happening.

Actually, we're not being told martial law has been declared. Some people have decided that it's been declared, but the evidence is lacking.

So, no. It's not most likely what's happening.

Daithi 1

Fair point. The saga continues.

Though "state police with AR-15 assault rifles", sounds like martial law to me.

hooradiation

Daithi 1 wrote: »

Fair point. The saga continues.

Though "state police with AR-15 assault rifles", sounds like martial law to me.

Well, it's not uncommon for state troopers to use AR-15's in certain situations, state of emergency or not.
He may have been mistaken and seen some national guardsmen - this is kind of why they exist (not the only reason, but part of it) and I do believe they use the M-16, of which the AR-15 is the civilian variant. Honestly, I can't tell the difference at a glance.

Brown Bomber

endacl wrote: »

Hey! Only on this forum. And only on the funniest rtdh posts.

You, I tend to ignore. Mostly. You seem to take this stuff more seriously, in an even odder way.

Rock on.

Remember that you've just said that "I prefer to defend my statements". Now tell me about this "stuff that I take more seriously".

humanji

Endacl and Brown Bomber, stop! Just stop!

edit: oh, and Endacl can have a few days off for trolling. I forgot to add that bit.

Dude111

frank reynolds wrote: »

so, rumour has it that HAARP can control weather and create the likes of man-made hurricanes and tidal waves etc... has it crossed anyones mind that if that is possible, and if HAARP is tied into the NWO, as well as Obama needing to be in power to begin rolling out the NWO, that they purposely created a disaster so that Obama will be re-elected and thus, allowing a timeframe for the NWO to commence??

Indeed my friend!!!

HAARPs RF data was ALL OVER THE NORTHEAST DURING THE STORM!! -- It was most definetly an engineered storm!

Current HAARP status: www.haarpstatus.com/status.html

Jonny7

Dude111 wrote: »

Indeed my friend!!!

HAARPs RF data was ALL OVER THE NORTHEAST DURING THE STORM!! -- It was most definetly an engineered storm!

Current HAARP status: www.haarpstatus.com/status.html

Right, so, how does this hurricane making machine work exactly?

gbee

Jonny7 wrote: »

Right, so, how does this hurricane making machine work exactly?

It does not make weather as such, it cannot just conjure up a hurricane, what it can do is alter the pressure differences in the upper atmosphere and create a blocking effect so a hurricane that is on the way can be stalled or diverted.

It's not an exact science and the storm will do what it's ingredients allow it to do, change the pressure here and there can weaken or intensify a storm, providing that other natural ingredients will flow to manipulate the developing storm.

Sandy it the fifth storm in the North Atlantic this year to have attempted to defy logic. At least three other fish storms tracked back and forth in near straight lines, storms don't tend to follow straight lines, neither do they double back on their course, normally ~ now we are in a weather pattern transition period, even so, the examples of these storms has been interesting. We have had a strange hurricane season and odds on we were going to get a doozie.

Simply put, we need monster hurricanes to bring a balance to the oceans, the oceans create a certain amount of energy and storms dissipate this, this year we had hurricanes forming very far north, on some weather forums there has been debate as to whether these storms were in fact hurricanes at all, given the near impossible latitudes that they formed at.

Lots of strange weather this season, even allowing for the transition period, it's still been a strange year.