Candidates to replace Kidney

goreyguy · 31-10-2012 3:18pm #1

I believe its clear to almost every Irish rugby fan that Kidney's days are numbered barring a miracle in the next Six Nations.

With that who would you say are the leading candidates to replace him?

bamboozle · 31-10-2012 3:20pm

before this is locked.....

Conor O'Shea
Cheika
Schmidt

goreyguy · 31-10-2012 3:21pm

bamboozle wrote: »

before this is locked.....

why would it be locked?

Fireball07 · 31-10-2012 3:21pm

bamboozle wrote: »

before this is locked.....

Conor O'Shea
Cheika
Schmidt

Nick Mallett?

I'd like to see Schmidt to be honest

errlloyd · 31-10-2012 3:26pm

I'd rather the team was picked through the national lottery.

Quint2010 · 31-10-2012 3:27pm

It won't be Schmidt. But please God don't let it be someone Irish. Mallett for me.

GerM · 31-10-2012 3:30pm

Dave Rennie. His contract is up at the end of next year's S15. Put Mike Ruddock in charge for the north American tour and use it as a developmental tour. Rennie has no ties, no preferential treatment and plays good rugby. His CV has to be one of the strongest around but, as he has never coached internationally, would command slightly less in terms of salary.

Can't see the likes of Mallet, White, Henry etc. having the slightest inclination to coach us. It would be an introduction for Rennie to the international arena and, if successful, he would have a serious shot at the NZ job.

buck65 · 31-10-2012 3:38pm

Bernard Jackman or Anthoiny Foley, big money won't be available.

irishbucsfan · 31-10-2012 3:41pm

buck65 wrote: »

Bernard Jackman or Anthoiny Foley, big money won't be available.

Oh god. That would be a disaster.

Why won't big money be available?

Swiwi · 31-10-2012 3:43pm

GerM wrote: »

Dave Rennie. His contract is up at the end of next year's S15. Put Mike Ruddock in charge for the north American tour and use it as a developmental tour. Rennie has no ties, no preferential treatment and plays good rugby. His CV has to be one of the strongest around but, as he has never coached internationally, would command slightly less in terms of salary.

Can't see the likes of Mallet, White, Henry etc. having the slightest inclination to coach us. It would be an introduction for Rennie to the international arena and, if successful, he would have a serious shot at the NZ job.

I would be seriously seriously surprised if Rennie quit NZ to coach Ireland. Regardless of the result in RWC 2015, I don't see Hansen staying on, and I think the NZRFU will favour a NZ-based candidate above an overseas one. Rennie is very highly regarded, and would have the inside running if he continues his form with the Chiefs.

Chavways · 31-10-2012 3:52pm

Christ Almighty. Not again :mad:

[Jackass] · 31-10-2012 3:53pm

I'd take Steve Staunton at this rate...

GerM · 31-10-2012 3:54pm

Swiwi wrote: »

I would be seriously seriously surprised if Rennie quit NZ to coach Ireland. Regardless of the result in RWC 2015, I don't see Hansen staying on, and I think the NZRFU will favour a NZ-based candidate above an overseas one. Rennie is very highly regarded, and would have the inside running if he continues his form with the Chiefs.

Indeed. That's what I would see as the big stumbling block. The NZRU are going to dangle the carrot of the big job if any other nation comes sniffing. He'll be told to keep his head down, do well and he's in a strong position. With that said, the likes of Ian Foster will be looking for the job too.

Quint2010 · 31-10-2012 3:59pm

GerM wrote: »

Indeed. That's what I would see as the big stumbling block. The NZRU are going to dangle the carrot of the big job if any other nation comes sniffing. He'll be told to keep his head down, do well and he's in a strong position. With that said, the likes of Ian Foster will be looking for the job too.

And Joe Schmidt.

4PP · 31-10-2012 4:02pm

The former USA coach E.O'Sullivan is available, no big money needed.

Jawgap · 31-10-2012 4:03pm

buck65 wrote: »

Bernard Jackman or Anthoiny Foley, big money won't be available.

The IRFU are in rude financial health - last year they had about €9m in cash and a notional surplus of about €7million.

bamboozle · 31-10-2012 4:05pm

buck65 wrote: »

Bernard Jackman or Anthoiny Foley, big money won't be available.

Jackman didnt last long at AIL level.

irishbucsfan · 31-10-2012 4:07pm

Clive Woodward is available, I hear

whatawaster · 31-10-2012 4:07pm

Their first approach should be to Joe. Don't know how anyone could think otherwise.

irishbucsfan · 31-10-2012 4:08pm

bamboozle wrote: »

Jackman didnt last long at AIL level.

He's reportedly doing great in France, is he not?

Sinbad_NI · 31-10-2012 4:09pm

At this monent pretty much anyone who plays an attacking style and picks on form.

irishbucsfan · 31-10-2012 4:12pm

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

At this monent pretty much anyone who plays an attacking style and picks on form.

I think the strongest candidate for that would be Conor O'Shea. I don't think he'd have any provincial ties either.

And it'd make Hooks rants more entertaining. Can you imagine if Hook developed a Thornleyesque devotion to a coach? That'd just seem wrong.

leftleg · 31-10-2012 4:12pm

jm08.... i mean Declan Kidney; sorry freudian slip there

Swiwi · 31-10-2012 4:13pm

GerM wrote: »

Indeed. That's what I would see as the big stumbling block. The NZRU are going to dangle the carrot of the big job if any other nation comes sniffing. He'll be told to keep his head down, do well and he's in a strong position. With that said, the likes of Ian Foster will be looking for the job too.

Ian Foster was a very controversial choice for assistant coach in the minds of the NZ public - he had a very average record over multiple seasons with the Chiefs - but Hansen could basically choose who he wanted. In my opinion Ireland would be best to avoid Foster based on this record.

There will always be plenty of NZ-born coaches to consider, if that is the way Ireland want to go.

I would go with Conor O'Shea, and then surround him with the necessary expertise in the form of assistant coaches as required. Would be nice for Ireland to have an Irish man in charge.

Schmidt is obviously another option, but I believe may want to head back to NZ? If he harbours AB hopes, he needs to get back into the S15, as I really don't see the NZRFU choosing an overseas candidate, would be almost seen as tantamount to failure of the S15 system. WG may also hope to coach the ABs one day, and in fact almost went back to the Chiefs ahead of Rennie, but couldn't stomach the massive drop in salary.

Fishooks12 · 31-10-2012 4:22pm

pointless thread really. For all we know Kidney will string a few results together and he'll be renewed

Don't be surprised

OldRio · 31-10-2012 4:22pm

So, somebody better than Kidney eh?
Well I've a donkey in a field who could give it a go.

GerM · 31-10-2012 4:23pm

I'm almost sure that Schmidt will hit the road and head back to NZ at the end of his extension. Rugby only dictates his decisions so much and he has a family to think off.

Teferi · 31-10-2012 4:26pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

pointless thread really. For all we know Kidney will string a few results together and he'll be renewed

Don't be surprised

Heard a rumour or two that the old boys club are becoming sick of him.

Still wouldn't be surprised if he snaked an extension.

Swiwi · 31-10-2012 4:26pm

GerM wrote: »

I'm almost sure that Schmidt will hit the road and head back to NZ at the end of his extension. Rugby only dictates his decisions so much and he has a family to think off.

JK will probably get 2 seasons at the Blues. Rennie, Joseph & Hammett are probably all secure at Chiefs, Highlanders, & Hurricanes, but the Crusaders faithful are starting to ramp up the pressure a bit on Blackadder, so if he doesn't produce the goods this season, Schmidt might have the Crusaders job open.

Obviously, this doesn't answer the Irish Q, my apologies!

Theta · 31-10-2012 4:30pm

GerM wrote: »

I'm almost sure that Schmidt will hit the road and head back to NZ at the end of his extension. Rugby only dictates his decisions so much and he has a family to think off.

As an international coach he could spend long periods of time in NZ anyway, I think Gatland spends alot of time not in Wales.

Id say he would love a crack at Ireland coach.

4PP · 31-10-2012 4:32pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He's reportedly doing great in France, is he not?

He's one of 4 coaches working under Fabrice Landreau in Grenoble. There's a forwards coach, a backs coach, & a kicking coach............& Bernard Jackman.

And yes, Grenoble are doing very well.

ssaye · 31-10-2012 4:32pm

GerM wrote: »

I'm almost sure that Schmidt will hit the road and head back to NZ at the end of his extension. Rugby only dictates his decisions so much and he has a family to think off.

Pretty sure his son will go to College like his daughter back in NZ so I would say it is 90% he is gone. Whether O'Shea wants to progress with RFU or IRFU is another matter.

I think O'Shea and Les Kiss and Foley likely with Leinster keeping Jonno Gibbs/Feek and maybe BOD to do a trio Forwards/scrum and backs coach from 2014 onwards.

Theta · 31-10-2012 4:37pm

ssaye wrote: »

Pretty sure his son will go to College like his daughter back in NZ so I would say it is 90% he is gone. Whether O'Shea wants to progress with RFU or IRFU is another matter.

I think O'Shea and Les Kiss and Foley likely with Leinster keeping Jonno Gibbs/Feek and maybe BOD to do a trio Forwards/scrum and backs coach from 2014 onwards.

Conor O'Shea is no fan of the IRFU and has said that publicly before so I dont know if he would be open to the idea of getting into bed with them.

ssaye · 31-10-2012 4:43pm

Theta wrote: »

Conor O'Shea is no fan of the IRFU and has said that publicly before so I dont know if he would be open to the idea of getting into bed with them.

I know he is settled in England and doing well in RFU circles but I never knew he publicly said he is not a fan of the IRFU. When was this?

Gargled · 31-10-2012 4:44pm

The interview should go something like:
IRFU "Will you play Keith Earls at 13"
"No"
"You're Hired"

I like the idea of O'Shea. Don't think Schmit would take it. Not sure why he would.

We need someone who will pick on form and embrace tactics other than Munsters

bamboozle · 31-10-2012 4:47pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

He's reportedly doing great in France, is he not?

as a defence coach. as a head coach at AIL level he didnt win too many admirers.

Fireball07 · 31-10-2012 4:49pm

Gargled wrote: »

The interview should go something like:
IRFU "Will you play Keith Earls at 13"
"No"
"You're Hired"

Good plan :rolleyes:

That's the same Keith Earls who is the 2nd best 13 in the country?

buck65 · 31-10-2012 4:50pm

Gargled wrote: »

The interview should go something like:
IRFU "Will you play Keith Earls at 13"
"No"
"You're Hired"

I like the idea of O'Shea. Don't think Schmit would take it. Not sure why he would.

We need someone who will pick on form and embrace tactics other than Munsters

Which Munster tactics would that be? I'm aware of three types.

Gargled · 31-10-2012 4:53pm

buck65 wrote: »

Which Munster tactics would that be? I'm aware of three types.

The forward based, slow ball rugby that we have seen recently. When Leinster and Ulster are playing amazing expansive rugby and we see none in the Ireland team

.ak · 31-10-2012 4:55pm

Gargled wrote: »

The forward based, slow ball rugby that we have seen recently. When Leinster and Ulster are playing amazing expansive rugby and we see none in the Ireland team

I think you'll find the majority of the Irish team is made up of Leinster players? Unless you're talking about the style of rugby played, in which case I would also say Munster are currently adapting an expansive/attacking style.

The only Irish team that's failed to take up a direct running game is, well, Ireland.

leonard7 · 31-10-2012 4:57pm

i'd be inclined to choose myself

Gargled · 31-10-2012 4:58pm

.ak wrote: »

I think you'll find the majority of the Irish team is made up of Leinster players? Unless you're talking about the style of rugby played, in which case I would also say Munster are currently adapting an expansive/attacking style.

The only Irish team that's failed to take up a direct running game is, well, Ireland.

Exactly, when the back line is pretty much Leinster, why can they not play the same style. I believe a lot is down to the coaching and often Murray at SH. He is a good player but lacks the passing sharpness and speed that Reddan and Marshall have.

Long story short, a shake up of the coaching ticket should hopefully inspire some fresh thinking

Teferi · 31-10-2012 5:00pm

.ak wrote: »

I think you'll find the majority of the Irish team is made up of Leinster players? Unless you're talking about the style of rugby played, in which case I would also say Munster are currently adapting an expansive/attacking style.

The only Irish team that's failed to take up a direct running game is, well, Ireland.

Yeah I don't know where that comment came from myself. Munster play such an expansive style now that they even have their locks on the wing like.

buck65 · 31-10-2012 5:10pm

Gargled wrote: »

Exactly, when the back line is pretty much Leinster, why can they not play the same style. I believe a lot is down to the coaching and often Murray at SH. He is a good player but lacks the passing sharpness and speed that Reddan and Marshall have.

Long story short, a shake up of the coaching ticket should hopefully inspire some fresh thinking

This is Conor Murray with all of a dozen caps including substitute appearances?

Ireland's "Munster" style and tactics are dictated by a Munster scrum half....ok I see where this is going with you.
Also the reason Ulster are doing so well is massively helped by high quality imports, such as Pienaar, Afoa, Muller and this season Jared Payne and Nick Williams.
Unfortunately Kidney can't just open the checkbook to paper our cracks. Like the provinces can.

jm08 · 31-10-2012 5:16pm

Teferi wrote: »

Yeah I don't know where that comment came from myself. Munster play such an expansive style now that they even have their locks on the wing like.

Marcus Horan was scoring trys on the wings years ago and you were all giving out about him :pac:

Gargled · 31-10-2012 5:17pm

buck65 wrote: »

This is Conor Murray with all of a dozen caps including substitute appearances?

Ireland's "Munster" style and tactics are dictated by a Munster scrum half....ok I see where this is going with you.

I was starting to go off topic so tried to keep it to an example of an out of form player starting ahead of others. There are other cases too. No bias other than that.

buck65 · 31-10-2012 5:24pm

Fair enough Gargled, I'll move away from the provincial stuff too.
Kidney needs to be replaced and ran out of ideas a long time ago, I really feel that the IRFU are going to tighten the belt though as attendances are generally on the slide at both international and provincial level.
Also ticket prices are down a tad and sponsorship must be suffering too, all pointing to reduced income to the IRFU in coming seasons, therefore I think the new manager will be home grown and inexperienced at this level - not a bad thing necessarily.

jimbomalley · 31-10-2012 5:27pm

Give mike ruddock a year and see how he does. Already in the system so no extra costs.

Mr.Applepie · 31-10-2012 5:35pm

Gargled wrote: »

The forward based, slow ball rugby that we have seen recently. When Leinster and Ulster are playing amazing expansive rugby and we see none in the Ireland team

The term is "Kidneyball"

Swiwi · 31-10-2012 5:44pm

Gargled wrote: »

The interview should go something like:
IRFU "Will you play Keith Earls at 13"
"No"
"You're Hired"

I like the idea of O'Shea. Don't think Schmit would take it. Not sure why he would.

We need someone who will pick on form and embrace tactics other than Munsters

Oh joy! Another thread that has degenerated into a provincial tit for tat. Munster this or Leinster that is not an argument in itself. If only the forum moderators had Big Brother powers, and they could zap offenders. That would learn them!

Gargled · 31-10-2012 5:45pm

jimbomalley wrote: »

Give mike ruddock a year and see how he does. Already in the system so no extra costs.

Surely the idea of giving someone a shot for a year doesn't really fit a professional organisation. Need to put in a solid long term strategy especially with our solid players coming to the end of international duty

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