Quick Question about Worthless Filthy Cheaters

God of Justice

so apparently loads of physics students have been cheating on those masteringphysics.com assignments. This pisses me right off because I don't want to be an asshole and cheat like those slimy *****, but on the other hand I especially don't want said slimy ***** to get higher end of year results than me (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure those things go towards your end of year results?).

So I wanna rat them out anonymously. I have specific names and everything but I'm not sure exactly how to about proving that they've cheated, or who to go to in order to tattle on them, or if there's even anyone who cares or will do anything about it. Any help on this?

By the way, don't waste my time and call me an asshole for taking joy in snitching on these turds. I missed my chance to rat out the leaving cert cheater ***** in the summer and I don't intend on missing out again .

Thank you in advance for your replies!


EDIT: ***** translates as c-u-n-t-s. Just thought I'd clarify that.

Keen2win

God of Justice wrote: »

so apparently loads of physics students have been cheating on those masteringphysics.com assignments. This pisses me right off because I don't want to be an asshole and cheat like those slimy *****, but on the other hand I especially don't want said slimy ***** to get higher end of year results than me (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure those things go towards your end of year results?).

So I wanna rat them out anonymously. I have specific names and everything but I'm not sure exactly how to about proving that they've cheated, or who to go to in order to tattle on them, or if there's even anyone who cares or will do anything about it. Any help on this?

By the way, don't waste my time and call me an asshole for taking joy in snitching on these turds. I missed my chance to rat out the leaving cert cheater ***** in the summer and I don't intend on missing out again .

Thank you in advance for your replies!


EDIT: ***** translates as c-u-n-t-s. Just thought I'd clarify that.

What. An. Asshole.

Hande hoche!

In the long run you will benefit from doing them honestly. What are the assignments worth, maybe 10%? Knowing how to do them with resorting to "cheating" will be handy for the end of year exams. No point snitching.

T-K-O

Put that effort into your own studies.

timmywex

God of Justice wrote: »

so apparently loads of physics students have been cheating on those masteringphysics.com assignments. This pisses me right off because I don't want to be an asshole and cheat like those slimy *****, but on the other hand I especially don't want said slimy ***** to get higher end of year results than me (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure those things go towards your end of year results?).

So I wanna rat them out anonymously. I have specific names and everything but I'm not sure exactly how to about proving that they've cheated, or who to go to in order to tattle on them, or if there's even anyone who cares or will do anything about it. Any help on this?

By the way, don't waste my time and call me an asshole for taking joy in snitching on these turds. I missed my chance to rat out the leaving cert cheater ***** in the summer and I don't intend on missing out again .

Thank you in advance for your replies!


EDIT: ***** translates as c-u-n-t-s. Just thought I'd clarify that.

If your getting so worked up about little things like this, I suspect your going to have some major problems in the next 3 and a half years.

Welcome to the real world, people cheat everywhere :cool:

UrbanSea

You must be the life of the party.

Rayne Wooney

God of Justice wrote: »

so apparently loads of physics students have been cheating on those masteringphysics.com assignments. This pisses me right off because I don't want to be an asshole and cheat like those slimy *****, but on the other hand I especially don't want said slimy ***** to get higher end of year results than me (correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure those things go towards your end of year results?).

So I wanna rat them out anonymously. I have specific names and everything but I'm not sure exactly how to about proving that they've cheated, or who to go to in order to tattle on them, or if there's even anyone who cares or will do anything about it. Any help on this?

By the way, don't waste my time and call me an asshole for taking joy in snitching on these turds. I missed my chance to rat out the leaving cert cheater ***** in the summer and I don't intend on missing out again .

Thank you in advance for your replies!


EDIT: ***** translates as c-u-n-t-s. Just thought I'd clarify that.

How did people cheat on the Leaving Cert?

shygal

yeah rat those phags out op

Markcheese

Look... Just e-mail it on to your lecturer,Or tutor, then get on with you and yours... I agree it's not fair if others cheat... But if you get caught up freaking over it, you'll be worse off ...

Grimebox

You are getting pointlessly angry with these people. Let go of it and live a happier life.

Tragedy

This is an Irish forum. Don't expect replies other than one's insulting you and telling you to mind your own business - it's the Irish way.

"Shure who cares what other people are up to, who the hell do you think you are sticking your nose into it"

If you actually want advice rather than somewhere to vent, write a short, calm, constructive letter to your lecturer stating what you think is happening, that you think that it's wrong and unfair and how you felt that even if nothing could be proven, you believed you should do something about it.

Lawliet

You should get on to the University Times about this.

Maybe_Memories

And this matters how?

Who gives a fcuk if they cheat? Can you honestly say you've never cheated on anything? Besides at the end of the day if they get a 1st from cheating and you get a 1st from doing the work honestly, you've both got a 1st and you'll feel good cos you actually put in the work and earned it.

I'd even be willing to guess your lecturers don't care either.



Ratting on your class wont get you anything. besides a lot of hate

God of Justice

See the thing is, this doesn't actually affect me at all. I actually manage to get higher than all of the cheaters known to me (feelsgoodman.jpg) so it's not like they're putting me out or anything. They are putting some of the other people out though, the ones who work hard, don't cheat, but still don't quite the marks they're looking for.

See, I had a couple friends from secondary who missed out on their courses by like 5-10 points. And they studied hard, all year long even. Then there were the lazy worthless slacker ***** who sneaked in their ****ey little cheatsheets in their maths sets - they were the ones who got those exact same courses. Worst part is that I actually overheard them talking about how they were planning on cheating up to a week beforehand, and you know what? I thought like you guys, and said to myself, "ah sure snitching on people is bad ou', I mean who even cares anyway".

Now the let-down faces of my friends haunt me every night, their disappointment seeps into my soul and I can't even breathe sometimes thinking about it. So it's not happening again.

Much thanks to Tragedy and Markcheese and Lawliet. Rest of yiz can suck it.

timmywex wrote: »

Welcome to the real world, people cheat everywhere :cool:

I'm making a new world. If people cheat everywhere then the God of Justice is gonna be everywhere, looking over their shoulder and rattin' them out.

Peace.

Random_Person

Lawliet wrote: »

You should get on to the University Times about this.

I believe The Piranha would suit better :pac:

Lawliet

Someone's been watching too much Death Note

God of Justice

Lawliet wrote: »

Someone's been watching too much Death Note

lol yeah I was wondering if someone would notice ^_^

T-K-O

Cryba

ubanra

By all means email/write if you think it best, but I'd imagine it would be difficult to prove anything if the answers are stepwise. Would it be obvious to a lecturer if an answer was lifted if they saw the possible source? Ie. do any of the answers involve any subjectivity that might stick out.

stealinhorses

MP is only worth 10% of your grade. I think labs are 25% or 30% and you can't cheat in your reports, and certainly the two exams will weed out all those who didn't learn anything by copying MP answers they found on the Internet.

And if you're worried about people getting 87% instead of 84% then it's your problem.

Tragedy

Maybe_Memories wrote: »

And this matters how?

Who gives a fcuk if they cheat? Can you honestly say you've never cheated on anything? Besides at the end of the day if they get a 1st from cheating and you get a 1st from doing the work honestly, you've both got a 1st and you'll feel good cos you actually put in the work and earned it.

I'd even be willing to guess your lecturers don't care either.



Ratting on your class wont get you anything. besides a lot of hate

Your attitude stinks.

It's ok to cheat, because everyone cheats.
It's ok to cheat and do better than you should, because at least you'll get to feel good about it.
It's ok to cheat because the referees don't care.
It's ok to cheat because people who whisteblow are rats and no-one likes a rat.
It's ok to cheat because it's none of anyone's business what you do.

Ravelleman

Lawliet wrote: »

You should get on to the University Times about this.

If this is irony then I offer you the prize of 'Post of the Afternoon'.

CJC86

Could I ask how they're cheating on the assignments? For Maths and Physics subjects collaboration is very much encouraged for assignments, as it leads to the stronger students lending a hand to weaker students.

However, all universities take a very strict view on plagiarism, so it's important for them to learn early on that you cannot hand up someone else's work as your own.

ride-the-spiral

Mastering physics is an online assignment, so just copying the answer will give you full marks. To be honest it's just one bad aspect of what is a horrible, horrible "teaching" tool, and you're time would be better spent complaining to the school of physics about even using it in the first place.

Grimebox

How exactly are people cheating on this? How are you assessed?

Scortho

This is ridiculous OP. Grow up.
You're in college now. All that matters is how you get on! Their grades wont harm yours if your as brilliant as you make yourself out to be.
Personally I don't cheat! I just find an easier way to get it done!:)

blubloblu

Genuinely surprised so many people support cheating in college.

bscm

MasteringPhysics is pretty useless tbh. It randomly generates starting values and asks you to solve a question. Using Google will turn up several results of people being talked through the problem (the same scenario as if you approached a lecturer or a tutor, they'll point you in the right direction or show you what equations to use).

To call it cheating is laughable in some sense. 90% of the time, any "Googled" answer would require you to slot in your "given" values and work it out yourself (again, same situation as if you had found a worked example in a book).

The system is also timed, if lecturers wanted to catch cheaters out, they would have done so years ago.

Grimebox

I don't understand how people are cheating when it comes to this. What difference does it make how long you take to do it? Any problem I have, my first port of call is google

Maybe_Memories

Tragedy wrote: »

Your attitude stinks.

It's ok to cheat, because everyone cheats.
It's ok to cheat and do better than you should, because at least you'll get to feel good about it.
It's ok to cheat because the referees don't care.
It's ok to cheat because people who whisteblow are rats and no-one likes a rat.
It's ok to cheat because it's none of anyone's business what you do.

My attitude is fine actually.

This is the real world. People cheat. I'm not saying go ahead and do it, I'm just saying other people cheating has no affect on the OP whatsoever.

Even if it came down to a cheater getting a job interview or whatever over the OP they would quickly get caught out in the interview.

Markcheese

Maybe_Memories wrote: »

My attitude is fine actually.

This is the real world. People cheat. I'm not saying go ahead and do it, I'm just saying other people cheating has no affect on the OP whatsoever.

Even if it came down to a cheater getting a job interview or whatever over the OP they would quickly get caught out in the interview.

While I don't think the OP should go on a crusade to rid the college of fraud and cheating,he should fire off a few e-mails or letters to lecturers or heads of department... There is a grudging acceptance of "strokes" and fast ones in this country..and while I don't want to be Germany, I don't want Bertie and co either... (and they got away with it at our expense)

partyatmygaff

Maybe_Memories wrote: »

My attitude is fine actually.

This is the real world. People cheat. I'm not saying go ahead and do it, I'm just saying other people cheating has no affect on the OP whatsoever.

Even if it came down to a cheater getting a job interview or whatever over the OP they would quickly get caught out in the interview.

You say that as if the OP thinks the same as you do and it's easy to see he doesn't.

You're happy enough with doing well and don't care too much how you stand relative to the rest of your class. That's fine and well but the OP sounds like their main aim is to do well and do it better than everyone else to boot. It's not hard to appreciate why he'd be a bit annoyed if everyone else took the easy way out and did as well as he did doing it the "proper" way. Sure, he'll probably know more than them but how's he going to prove that if he can't pull ahead of them in exams?

That said, it's a bit OTT to go on a crusade against an online MCQ. I'd wager that a huge amount of people of people who have these mastering(something).com 10% continuous assessment tests "cheat" during them. Your lecturers know that and that's why they're only worth 10% of your final grade. There's no way you're going to prevent people from cheating on an open-book exam you can sit wherever you like whenever you like no matter who you report.

Lawliet

partyatmygaff wrote: »

That's fine and well but the OP sounds like their main aim is to do well and do it better than everyone else to boot.

And that's a fairly immature reason to care. I suspect the OP doesn't give a toss about justice or fairness, they just don't want other people doing well because they want to be the best, and this supposed cheating is a convenient way to decry other people's success.

And I say supposed cheating because the OP hasn't explained exactly what these people are doing, and I wouldn't consider using the internet, lecture notes and the like to figure how to do a question on an open book test cheating.

Tragedy

So people who play competitive sports are immature if they care that others are cheating?
I guess you must love Lance Armstrong so :pac:

Lawliet

Tragedy wrote: »

So people who play competitive sports are immature if they care that others are cheating?
I guess you must love Lance Armstrong so :pac:

No it's not immature to care that others are cheating you out of something. I think it is fairly immature to think of assignments and exams as a competition to beat your classmates at.

Tragedy

Lawliet wrote: »

No it's not immature to care that others are cheating you out of something. I think it is fairly immature to think of assignments and exams as a competition to beat your classmates at.

Then why do we have grades other than Pass or Fail? Or why do many colleges rank grades based on how well students did in relation to classmates?

You really shouldn't throw the immature tag at others tbh.

CJC86

Lawliet wrote: »

No it's not immature to care that others are cheating you out of something. I think it is fairly immature to think of assignments and exams as a competition to beat your classmates at.

I think you should absolutely treat exams as a competition. Whether they admit it or not, every course is graded on a curve; so if you want to do well, you should aim to be at the upper end of that curve. It can make the difference between getting the job or postgrad that you want, or not.

I wouldn't be competitive about assignments though.

Edit: Tragedy posted the above while I was writing my reply Beat me to it.

Grimebox

CJC86 wrote: »

I think you should absolutely treat exams as a competition. Whether they admit it or not, every course is graded on a curve; so if you want to do well, you should aim to be at the upper end of that curve. It can make the difference between getting the job or postgrad that you want, or not.

I wouldn't be competitive about assignments though.

Edit: Tragedy posted the above while I was writing my reply Beat me to it.

I will gladly not admit to this. Absolute rubbish

partyatmygaff

Lawliet wrote: »

No it's not immature to care that others are cheating you out of something. I think it is fairly immature to think of assignments and exams as a competition to beat your classmates at.

How is it immature?

It's not immature to want to be the best. That's just high ambition and there's nothing wrong or immature about that.

DeDoc

Wow. Lots of naivety on show here.

Cheating matters a lot. If 10 people get firsts and 9 have cheated then the one who didn't has a devalued result. There are 9 people there who will get found out - and guess what happens to the reputation of the place that gave them their first? Ah, shure that place is rubbish - yer man over there was able to get a first, so a first from there isn't worth much.

Its not really that different to tax cheats - ultimately everyone pays a price for it

T-K-O

hey



(gotta get that post count up)

Tragedy

Grimebox wrote: »

I will gladly not admit to this. Absolute rubbish

What course does every student achieve firsts in?

stealinhorses

DeDoc wrote: »

Wow. Lots of naivety on show here.

If 10 people get firsts and 9 have cheated then the one who didn't has a devalued result.

The thing about Mastering Physics is, you won't get a first if you cheated your way to the full 10%. Even with that score, going into the two exams at the end of the year and not knowing what to do because you cheated all year long, means that you'll barely scrape a pass if you did OK in labs.

It really makes no difference to people who are aiming for a first, because if they're good they will get over 8% for MP anyway. Besides, the assignments get a bit easier in second semester.

It all comes down to the end of year exams in the end.

Lawliet

partyatmygaff wrote: »

How is it immature?

It's not immature to want to be the best. That's just high ambition and there's nothing wrong or immature about that.

There's nothing wrong with wanting to improve yourself and aim to be your personal best, but caring about other people's results is silly and isn't going to achieve anything.

partyatmygaff

Lawliet wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with wanting to improve yourself and aim to be your personal best, but caring about other people's results is silly and isn't going to achieve anything.

Say if he wanted to go on and do a P.hD or something after he left college, don't you think he'd want to stand out from the crowd a bit results-wise?

Tragedy

Lawliet wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with wanting to improve yourself and aim to be your personal best, but caring about other people's results is silly and isn't going to achieve anything.

In your opinion.

blubloblu

I think beyond the effect on your ranking in the class, there is a case to be made for putting a stop to unethical behaviour.
The kind of tacit approval you're all advocating leads to a corrupt environment, whether in college or wider society.

ViveLaVie

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Say if he wanted to go on and do a P.hD or something after he left college, don't you think he'd want to stand out from the crowd a bit results-wise?

Standing out from the crowd and doing well is great but it's rather pathetic if the motivation behind it is being able to lord it over others and take pleasure in the fact that they didn't do as well.

OP how exactly is it cheating if it's an open book test? The lecturers are well aware that people can google answers. They have decided to assess people through it anyway. Your problem should be with the system.

CJC86

ViveLaVie wrote: »

Standing out from the crowd and doing well is great but it's rather pathetic if the motivation behind it is being able to lord it over others and take pleasure in the fact that they didn't do as well.

OP how exactly is it cheating if it's an open book test? The lecturers are well aware that people can google answers. They have decided to assess people through it anyway. Your problem should be with the system.

Who said anything about wanting to lord it over others? People are saying its good to stand out from the crowd to get a better job/postgrad.

Thread's been derailed by now. OP hasn't come back to clarify how how people are cheating.

ViveLaVie

CJC86 wrote: »

Who said anything about wanting to lord it over others? People are saying its good to stand out from the crowd to get a better job/postgrad.

Thread's been derailed by now. OP hasn't come back to clarify how how people are cheating.

I was under the impression the OP said he wanted to excel only to beat others and I inferred 'lording it over' from that. Apologies if I'm wrong.

Lawliet

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Say if he wanted to go on and do a P.hD or something after he left college, don't you think he'd want to stand out from the crowd a bit results-wise?

People are really missing my point here.
Worrying about other people's results, begrudging them for doing just as well or better than you, and getting worked up that people are "cheating" on an open book test, that's not going to get you anywhere. Ignoring all that nonsense and doing your best is a lot more productive.