Film of Chernobyl - the immediate aftermath

micro_dot

I saw this referenced in an article recently. It's about the hours after the explosion, how the heroic human response was both mundane and deadly. You see a helicopter just disintegrate in the sky in front of you. The filmmaker, Vladimir Shevchenko, died very shortly after making the film, along with so many others who were officially 'robots'. Shevchenko's camera is stored in a lead box.
It's one of the eeriest things I've ever seen.

krudler

50,000 people used to live here, now its a ghost town.

Hande hoche!

krudler wrote: »

50,000 people used to live here, now its a ghost town.

Get out of here Stalker!.

Pottler

Nonsense, Chernobyl was nothing but a minor blip, nuclear is totally safe and the undoubted way forward. Less than 100 people died from the chernobyl disaster and Fukushima is all under control, no danger whatsoever. All of which is an insult to those who died, are still dying and whose children will also die. If you want to see pandoras box, watch a video of chernobyl. Which by the way is back in action(the neighbouring reactors are) which is the maddest thing I ever heard.

krudler

Pottler wrote: »

Nonsense, Chernobyl was nothing but a minor blip, nuclear is totally safe and the undoubted way forward. Less than 100 people died from the chernobyl disaster and Fukushima is all under control, no danger whatsoever. All of which is an insult to those who died, are still dying and whose children will also die. If you want to see pandoras box, watch a video of chernobyl. Which by the way is back in action(the neighbouring reactors are) which is the maddest thing I ever heard.

What about the area itself and the deformities people suffered afterwards? I know someone who was there and its meant to be the eeriest place ever, I really wanna go to see how accurate that level from Call Of Duty 4 is :pac:

El Guapo!

krudler wrote: »

I really wanna go to see how accurate that level from Call Of Duty 4 is :pac:

I always wanted to check it out too. I love all those abandoned type places. It looks surreal. I'd love to head over and explore the place. Not sure how the gf would react though if I told her our next holiday was to Chernobyl. :pac:

My name is URL

Someone posted a photographic account of their visit to Pripyat a few years ago

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57421451

Some great pictures there

kerry4sam

micro_dot wrote: »

I saw this referenced in an article recently. It's about the hours after the explosion, how the heroic human response was both mundane and deadly. You see a helicopter just disintegrate in the sky in front of you. The filmmaker, Vladimir Shevchenko, died very shortly after making the film, along with so many others who were officially 'robots'. Shevchenko's camera is stored in a lead box.
It's one of the eeriest things I've ever seen.

My name is URL wrote: »

Someone posted a photographic account of their visit to Pripyat a few years ago

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=57421451

Some great pictures there

Thanks so much for sharing these!

stmol32

micro_dot wrote: »

Just out of curiosity what time does this happen at?
I can't seem to find it.

orchidsrpretty

If you really want to, you should go soon as the building are becoming unstable and there will be alot of places that will become out of bounds.

stmol32

Sorry brain fart, just noticed it there.

NegativeCreep

Is my computer fucked or was there no sound in that video? Also, who translated that??

I thought the video was boring if I'm honest. I'd like to see a real documentary about the immediate aftermath but I doubt such a thing exists.

the_syco

No sound, as the camera is in a lead box; it's the only reason why it survived, I'd say!

Couple of thousand "heroes" died trying to put the fire out. Most knew going in that they'd die, but went in regardless.

ChunkyLover_53

I remember hearing somewhere that to this day you should top & tail carrots before eating them due to the radiation that leaked from the plant

I can't remember where I heard it...probably due to Chernobyl Radioactivity...actually who am I kidding its from years of alcohol abuse.

the_syco

http://ww.oloo.ru/view.php?video=FdMLFJJyWnM

Watch the video.

There are two heroes that are rarely ever mentioned Underneath Reactor 4 was a massive water module that was meant to hold waste water from the cooling process. Should the melted radioactive material hit that module, a geothermal explosion would've taken place leveling a 200km radius and sending radiation into the stratosphere and beyond. With the remote system down, two divers went in to open the floodgates.

They succeeded, but they never returned and they're bodies have never been found.

kerry4sam

the_syco wrote: »

http://ww.oloo.ru/view.php?video=FdMLFJJyWnM

Watch the video.

Thanks for sharing this!

keith16

the_syco wrote: »

No sound, as the camera is in a lead box; it's the only reason why it survived, I'd say!

Couple of thousand "heroes" died trying to put the fire out. Most knew going in that they'd die, but went in regardless.

They were heroes. They went in to contain the leak

bgrizzley

amazing video, did i see a bird fall out of the sky at 6 minutes?

Duggy747

The mutations and deficencies of the ensuing children in the past 2 decades has been pretty horrific in the general areas that were affected by Chernobyl like Belarus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetMhP7q4WE

Interestingly enough, animals are surviving pretty well in the abandoned city. Especially wolves who, along with all the other wildlife, are fairly iradiated.

There's pictures of the vehicle graveyard of all the helicopters, trucks, jeeps, diggers, etc, that were used in the evacuation and clean-up which were abandoned. They're all extremely radioactive and highly toxic to be near so they're left out in the open in this massive area to rot away.

kerry4sam

Duggy747 wrote: »

The mutations and deficencies of the ensuing children in the past 2 decades has been pretty horrific in the general areas that were affected by Chernobyl like Belarus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QetMhP7q4WE

Interestingly enough, animals are surviving pretty well in the abandoned city. Especially wolves who, along with all the other wildlife, are fairly iradiated.

There's pictures of the vehicle graveyard of all the helicopters, trucks, jeeps, diggers, etc, that were used in the evacuation and clean-up which were abandoned. They're all extremely radioactive and highly toxic to be near so they're left out in the open in this massive area to rot away.

Thanks for sharing this!

El Guapo!

Duggy747 wrote: »

There's pictures of the vehicle graveyard of all the helicopters, trucks, jeeps, diggers, etc, that were used in the evacuation and clean-up which were abandoned. They're all extremely radioactive and highly toxic to be near so they're left out in the open in this massive area to rot away.

Some great pictures on that website!

Scruffles

amazing video.
have always wondered how the local animals fair now as very little attention went to them.
dont know why they havent just gradualy phased out the entire area all together,moved all the animal and human populants to other distant areas.

an aunt of mine in cork takes kids in her house every year from chernobyl through some charity,was told the one holiday adds years to their lives,how can any government let their inhabitants still live in such a toxic place?

Run_to_da_hills

Pottler wrote: »

Nonsense, Chernobyl was nothing but a minor blip, nuclear is totally safe and the undoubted way forward. Less than 100 people died from the chernobyl disaster and Fukushima is all under control, no danger whatsoever. All of which is an insult to those who died, are still dying and whose children will also die. If you want to see pandoras box, watch a video of chernobyl. Which by the way is back in action(the neighbouring reactors are) which is the maddest thing I ever heard.

Are you the editor of this magazine.?

MadYaker

I read an interview somewhere with one of the firemen who was first on the scene immediately after the blast to extinguish the fires. They got of the truck beside the reactor and were looking at big chunks of graphite from the heart of the reactor on the ground and they had no idea how dangerous it was. All were exposed to fatal doses in seconds and were died slow painful deaths within a few weeks. One of the firemen reported staring into the blasted open reactor from the roof and getting a metallic taste in his mouth a feeling like pins and needles on his face! The fact that they were so clueless makes it so sad imo. Such a tragic waste of life.

Kylo Ren

krudler wrote: »

What about the area itself and the deformities people suffered afterwards? I know someone who was there and its meant to be the eeriest place ever, I really wanna go to see how accurate that level from Call Of Duty 4 is :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yit90VHYvYg

Duggy747

Scruffles wrote: »

amazing video.
have always wondered how the local animals fair now as very little attention went to them.
dont know why they havent just gradualy phased out the entire area all together,moved all the animal and human populants to other distant areas.

This doc is interesting and gives a good insight into the animals who live within the 30km (Dead Zone)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0wuc8SsMMI

The animals are providing great research into how they're managing to survive considering the toxic levels.

the_syco

Scruffles wrote: »

how can any government let their inhabitants still live in such a toxic place?

A month after the accident, all those living within a 30 km (19 mi) radius of the plant (about 116,000 people) had been relocated. Look at this map to see the area of devastation caused, and you'll see why people are still being effected. You don't have to be close to be affected.

Scruffles wrote: »

amazing video.
have always wondered how the local animals fair now as very little attention went to them.

Very good.

Scruffles wrote: »

dont know why they havent just gradualy phased out the entire area all together,moved all the animal and human populants to other distant areas.

Most plants and animals died when the accident took place. It's now an animal sanctuary!

Some plants and animals have been able to adapt to the increase radiation levels present in and around Chernobyl. Arabidopsis, a native plant to Chernobyl, are able to resist high concentrations of ionizing radiation and resist forming mutations. This species of plant has been able to develop mechanisms to tolerate chronic radiation that would otherwise be harmful or lethal to other species. Recent studies suggest the 19-mile (30 km) "exclusion zone" surrounding the Chernobyl disaster has become a wildlife sanctuary. Animals have reclaimed the land including rare species such as lynx, Przewalski’s horses, wild boars and eagle owls whose populations are all thriving. When the disaster first occurred, many animals and plants died immediately; however, 25 years later, these animals and plants are reclaiming the abandoned cities to make it their habitat. Even the site of the explosion is flourishing with wildlife as birds nest in the wrecked nuclear plant, and plants and mushrooms live in and on the site.
Due to the bioaccumulation of Caesium-137, some mushrooms as well as wild animals which eat them, e.g. wild boars hunted in Germany and deer in Austria, may have levels which are not considered safe for human consumption.[25] Mandatory radiation testing of sheep in parts of the UK that graze on lands with contaminated peat was lifted in 2012.

As they cannot be eaten, they're not shot, and thus they flourish!

Yitzhak Rabin

kerry4sam wrote: »

Thanks for sharing this!

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kerry4sam

yekahS wrote: »

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strobe

micro_dot wrote: »

I saw this referenced in an article recently. It's about the hours after the explosion, how the heroic human response was both mundane and deadly. You see a helicopter just disintegrate in the sky in front of you. The filmmaker, Vladimir Shevchenko, died very shortly after making the film, along with so many others who were officially 'robots'. Shevchenko's camera is stored in a lead box.
It's one of the eeriest things I've ever seen.

Thanks for sharing Micro, really interesting.

strobe

The BBC did a nature documentary before in Chernobyl, was cool, apparently there are feral cats and squirrels and owls and what have you living there perfectly happily, in the abandoned offices and houses and all. They don't live long enough naturally for the radiation and the cancers etc that it causes and accelerates to effect them much. There is a kind of poetic something or other about the whole thing, mankind moving in and polluting the whole gaff, having to abandon it, but ultimately it was only mankind that was driven out and the other lads kept on keeping on, reclaiming the area free from their interference for potentially hundreds of years.

El Guapo!

strobe wrote: »

There is a kind of poetic something or other about the whole thing, mankind moving in and polluting the whole gaff, having to abandon it, but ultimately it was only mankind that was driven out and the other lads kept on keeping on, reclaiming the area free from their bull****tery.

Kinda makes you realise if humans fúcked things up on a global scale, we'd all be gone but the earth would continue on like we never existed.
Even though we're the most significant development this planet has ever seen, it kind of makes you realise how insignificant we actually are in the grand scheme of things.

the_syco

It also makes you wonder about the aftermath of nuclear war. Lots of animals died, but some now survive there. The difference would be where'd we care for the abnormal children, they'd be left behind in the wild, and thus the uncaring circle of life continues to the point that those animals not affected by the radiation will live there.

strobe

the_syco wrote: »

The difference would be where'd we care for the abnormal children

I like your optimism.

El Guapo!

the_syco wrote: »

It also makes you wonder about the aftermath of nuclear war. Lots of animals died, but some now survive there. The difference would be where'd we care for the abnormal children, they'd be left behind in the wild, and thus the uncaring circle of life continues to the point that those animals not affected by the radiation will live there.

Do you think our natural caring nature would hold back our survival? Would taking care of the sick and wounded damage our chance of survival? In the animal kingdom, the weak get left behind and only the strong and healthy carry on, but the majority of humans wouldn't think like this. I suppose it depends on the severity of the catastrophe but it'd be interesting to see what would happen.

eyescreamcone

There is a lot of controversy about how many people died or were affected by the disaster.
One UN report puts the total dead due to radiation at 64 by 2008.

the_syco

Dean09 wrote: »

Do you think our natural caring nature would hold back our survival?

Yes, but also it may guarantee it.

Dean09 wrote: »

Would taking care of the sick and wounded damage our chance of survival?

Short term, yes. Long term, though, it may enable us to find out how it effects us, and show us what genes and/or genetic makeup survives.

Dean09 wrote: »

In the animal kingdom, the weak get left behind and only the strong and healthy carry on, but the majority of humans wouldn't think like this. I suppose it depends on the severity of the catastrophe but it'd be interesting to see what would happen.

It would also be worth noting how it effects us mentally; will those effected become mad, or will they be able to function normally. After nuclear war, Darwinism may breed out those that cannot cope in the aftermath, but those that do survive may have a higher tolerance to the radiation.

For example, consider how white people get skin cancer compared to coloured people; http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/statistics/race.htm

In the same way, after nuclear war, it may be discovered that a certain type of people do not bare the same birth defects, and that said people may survive.

Studies of children from cities that were hit by nukes in Japan are ongoing http://www.rerf.jp/radefx/genetics_e/birthdef.html but it really comes down to how many nukes are used.

Not many; the stats of Japanese birth defects near those effected cities
A f**k load; the stats of Chernobyl birth defects

Hitting a nuclear reactor with a nuclear bomb...? Who knows.

the_syco

eyescreamcone wrote: »

There is a lot of controversy about how many people died or were affected by the disaster.
One UN report puts the total dead due to radiation at 64 by 2008.

It depends how you class it.

You could say 64 people, as in 64 people were in the power plant when it blew up, and you'd be correct. You could ignore the hundreds of thousands died after that were sent in to put out the fires by looking at it that way, as they didn't die from the accident itself, but rather died as a result of the radiation that had leaked.

But, IMO, that'd be unfair to the heroes who died a slow gruesome death after having saved the rest of Europe.

eyescreamcone

the_syco wrote: »

It depends how you class it.

You could say 64 people, as in 64 people were in the power plant when it blew up, and you'd be correct. You could ignore the hundreds of thousands died after that were sent in to put out the fires by looking at it that way, as they didn't die from the accident itself, but rather died as a result of the radiation that had leaked.

But, IMO, that'd be unfair to the heroes who died a slow gruesome death after having saved the rest of Europe.

Read my post again please.
I said 64 died from radiation BY 2008.
This is from a UN report.

It also states that of that 64 - 31 died at the incident. Emergency crew mostly.

There is no mention anywhere of hundreds of thousands of firefighters dying as a result of putting out fires.

Run_to_da_hills

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Read my post again please.
I said 64 died from radiation BY 2008.
This is from a UN report.

It also states that of that 64 - 31 died at the incident. Emergency crew mostly.

There is no mention anywhere of hundreds of thousands of firefighters dying as a result of putting out fires.

The real figures on those effected are closer to 1 million. (Premature Deaths) And people are being effected still today. With increased incidents of cancer, heart disease, birth defects, lower than normal intellect and on and on. And all this information is being suppressed by the IAEA which is tied heavily to the nuclear industry.

Interesting documentary,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bo2A6OvIt8

One can only wonder how much damage Fukushima nuclear accident is causing right now.

eyescreamcone

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The real figures on those effected are closer to 1 million. (Premature Deaths) And people are being effected still today. With increased incidents of cancer, heart disease, birth defects, lower than normal intellect and on and on. And all this information is being suppressed by the IAEA which is tied heavily to the nuclear industry.

Interesting documentary,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Bo2A6OvIt8

One can only wonder how much damage Fukushima nuclear accident is causing right now.

I think you should try posting over in Conspiracy Theories

previous user

you know the way that journalist died of cancer from exposure, I wonder if thats what's causing a lot of cancer today, fallout from cherynobly?

Padraig Mor

eyescreamcone wrote: »

Read my post again please.
I said 64 died from radiation BY 2008.
This is from a UN report.

It also states that of that 64 - 31 died at the incident. Emergency crew mostly.

There is no mention anywhere of hundreds of thousands of firefighters dying as a result of putting out fires.

This. I believe the report (it was WHO actually IIRC) puts total deaths, including premature deaths, at under 100 and projects total early deaths over the next few decades at less than 1000. For all the talk about deformities, there has been no statistically significant rise in congenital deformities since the incident. Aside from those onsite in the immediate aftermath, the greatest physical effect was seen with cases of childhood thyroid cancer, 99% of which are treated effectively. The report states that by far the most severe effect of the incident was psychological, i.e. people in the area feeling they have nothing to live for because they're "contaminated", despite this not actually being true. IIRC radiation levels outside the immediate area are not especially high.

the_syco

eyescreamcone wrote: »

There is no mention anywhere of hundreds of thousands of firefighters dying as a result of putting out fires.

I think you should try posting over in Conspiracy Theories... :pac:

Seriously, though, anyone that spent more than a few minutes near it would be dead soon after; the human body literally falls apart if the exposure is to long!

Gbear

From the WHO report on Chernobyl:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2005/pr38/en/index1.html

(My emphasis added)

How many people died and how many more are likely to die in the future?
The total number of deaths already attributable to Chernobyl or expected in the future over the lifetime of emergency workers and local residents in the most contaminated areas is estimated to be about 4000. This includes some 50 emergency workers who died of acute radiation syndrome and nine children who died of thyroid cancer, and an estimated total of 3940 deaths from radiation-induced cancer and leukemia among the 200 000 emergency workers from 1986-1987, 116 000 evacuees and 270 000 residents of the most contaminated areas (total about 600 000). These three major cohorts were subjected to higher doses of radiation amongst all the people exposed to Chernobyl radiation.

The estimated 4000 casualties may occur during the lifetime of about 600 000 people under consideration. As about quarter of them will eventually die from spontaneous cancer not caused by Chernobyl radiation, the radiation-induced increase of about 3% will be difficult to observe. However, in the most highly exposed cohorts of emergency and recovery operation workers, some increase in particular cancers (e.g., leukemia) has already been observed.

Confusion about the impact has arisen owing to the fact that thousands of people in the affected areas have died of natural causes. Also, widespread expectations of ill health and a tendency to attribute all health problems to radiation exposure have led local residents to assume that Chernobyl related fatalities were much higher than they actually were.

Simply put, the Chernobyl incident was blown out of all proportion. It was a fairly standard scale industrial accident.
The final estimated death toll, which I've seen from various WHO reports to be between 4 and 9 thousand ever, is not the amount that have died but the amount that are estimated to die from radiation exposure.

With millions dying every year from smoking, alcoholism, coronary disease and non-related cancer it's difficult to point to any specific deaths because the number is so small in comparison.

There are 50 or so directly attributable deaths - radiation exposure to some of those containing the disaster, some cases of cancer.

There is no evidence of any deformities or heart disease.

smurgen

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There are two heroes that are rarely ever mentioned Underneath Reactor 4 was a massive water module that was meant to hold waste water from the cooling process. Should the melted radioactive material hit that module, a geothermal explosion would've taken place leveling a 200km radius and sending radiation into the stratosphere and beyond. With the remote system down, two divers went in to open the floodgates.

They succeeded, but they never returned and they're bodies have never been found."


That's one of the most amazing things i've read,it's so eerie and poetic. Could you imagine the bravery needed to go down into some toxic pool knowing that you'd never survive it ? It's weird how the world works, you see hollywood movies all the time with soldiers depicted as heros where as these two people who saved thousand by sacrificing themselves are forgotten about.

Pottler

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Are you the editor of this magazine.?

Err no, I was being sarcastic. As in if people knew how fecked up Chernobyl was, they'd get it hard to sleep. There's areas in Wales still restricted in what they can use their farmland for due to contamination and apparently food from Turkey is not a great idea due to the amount of fallout they received. I wonder just how mant people realise the consequences of a secondary geothermal blast? Which was only narrowly averted, or just how little difference there is between this and Fukushima where they are still relying on surgical masks, white overalls and older voulenteers?

LivelineDipso

watching this shows the psychopathic nature of socialism - humans are just tools to be used.

padi89

Dean09 wrote: »

Kinda makes you realise if humans fúcked things up on a global scale, we'd all be gone but the earth would continue on like we never existed.
Even though we're the most significant development this planet has ever seen, it kind of makes you realise how insignificant we actually are in the grand scheme of things.

Mother Nature will always have the last word, i find it humbling.

tallus

I saw a recent documentary about the animals living and thriving around that area, and the rationale given was that most of them didn't have a sufficient lifespan for the radiation to have a serious effect, IE due to their natural short lifespan, they died before cancer had a chance to develop.

The Snipe

krudler wrote: »

What about the area itself and the deformities people suffered afterwards? I know someone who was there and its meant to be the eeriest place ever, I really wanna go to see how accurate that level from Call Of Duty 4 is :pac:

Very actually :pac: