Templates of new cc size Driving Licences

CiniO

Here's how they are going to look like:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2012/en/si/0330.html

K.Flyer

Thanks for that CiniO, and the link.

Jeez not before time is it, I wonder can I swap my paper one for the new model?

ANXIOUS

Do these come out the 19th of Jan balls have to get mine renewed ASAP.

MugMugs

And I renew in May....

Sweeeeeet

Merch

what category is B1 and A2?
A and A1 Ive heard of and B

B1 and A2?

While i presume A covers A2

Does B cover B1?
presumably
(what is it, light van category?)

Ardennes1944

I know they're supposed to be functional and not pretty but they surely could've gotten a better design. Boring and dull as feck.

OU812

Hang on, I thought they were going to be machine readable so they can have info about points etc on them?

Merch

maybe there is some kind of chip embedded?

CiniO

Merch wrote: »

what category is B1 and A2?
A and A1 Ive heard of and B

B1 and A2?

While i presume A covers A2

Does B cover B1?

(presumably, what is it, light van category?)

According to this:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0483.html

A2
Motorcycles with a power rating not exceeding 35 kW, with a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.2 kW/kg and not derived from a vehicle of more than double its power.

It doesn't mention however anything about B1.
Category B1 is operational in some EU countries and covers car up to 550kg unladen weight.
But I can't see anything mentioned about this category in any Irish legislations, so this could probably be mistake, or maybe only for purposes of people who exchange category B1 from different state.
Or maybe they need to list all categories available in EU, even though in Ireland category B1 doesn't exist.
I'm not sure.

bigroad

Looks like B1 is for vans .So i would think they are going to create a new test for b1 .Any chance to screw us again.

CiniO

Merch wrote: »

maybe there is some kind of chip embedded?

I doubt it at this stage.
Maybe in the future.

K.Flyer

OU812 wrote: »

Hang on, I thought they were going to be machine readable so they can have info about points etc on them?

More than likely the machine readable section will be that blank bit along the bottom of the front of the card, similar to our passports.

CiniO

bigroad wrote: »

Looks like B1 is for vans .So i would think they are going to create a new test for b1 .Any chance to screw us again.

B1 definitely can't be for vans.

Merch

CiniO wrote: »

According to this:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0483.html


It doesn't mention however anything about B1.
Category B1 is operational in some EU countries and covers car up to 550kg unladen weight.
But I can't see anything mentioned about this category in any Irish legislations, so this could probably be mistake, or maybe only for purposes of people who exchange category B1 from different state.
Or maybe they need to list all categories available in EU, even though in Ireland category B1 doesn't exist.
I'm not sure.

I think I know what A2 is then, I recal from what i read elsewhere, I think its to do with a restricted bike.

subway

B1 is quads and trikes in the uk.
Machine readable is just a font isn't it?

CiniO

What I wonder if it's still going to be local motor tax offices issuing those licences or is it going to be done centrally f.e. by RSA or something similar?

Surely local motor tax offices won't be printing them, but I think they still might be used for collecting documentation, checking, and ordering those licences from some central point... But this is just speculation.

Guy:Incognito

Merch wrote: »

I think I know what A2 is then, I recal from what i read elsewhere, I think its to do with a restricted bike.

Yeah theres new changes coming in to the motorbike licences.

http://www.magireland.org/2012/campaigns/training/rsa-announcement-on-direct-access/

guttenberg

What would fall under section 12- codes? Could that be for listing points etc?

CiniO

guttenberg wrote: »

What would fall under section 12- codes? Could that be for listing points etc?

No. It's for indicating codes which apply to certain licence category.

F.e. here is the list: http://www.thrifty.ie/aboutdriverlicenses.php

Those codes as anything else is printed on the licence once, and any change in any data on the licence, requires an issue of completely new document.

Merch

CiniO wrote: »

According to this:
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2011/en/si/0483.html


It doesn't mention however anything about B1.
Category B1 is operational in some EU countries and covers car up to 550kg unladen weight.
But I can't see anything mentioned about this category in any Irish legislations, so this could probably be mistake, or maybe only for purposes of people who exchange category B1 from different state.
Or maybe they need to list all categories available in EU, even though in Ireland category B1 doesn't exist.
I'm not sure.

So thats a small car, smaller than a smart car? what kind of car/vehicle is that?

subway

A trike or quad generally.
But they also sell motorcycle engined cars in sone places that look like little tike cars

Like this

CiniO

Merch wrote: »

So thats a small car, smaller than a smart car? what kind of car/vehicle is that?

I thought smart fortwo is less than 550kg unladen.
Anyway - all I know that f.e. in Poland they've got this category B1 and it can be done from age of 16 (in oppose to B licence at 18).
So getting a tiny car is an option for someone who wants to start driving young.
F.e here's few that fall under that category, but possible they had to go though some modifications to make them lighter.

But I woulnd't worry too much about it, as it looks like this category won't be available in Ireland.

Jimdagym

CiniO wrote: »

What I wonder if it's still going to be local motor tax offices issuing those licences or is it going to be done centrally f.e. by RSA or something similar?

Surely local motor tax offices won't be printing them, but I think they still might be used for collecting documentation, checking, and ordering those licences from some central point... But this is just speculation.

What would the RSA have to do with the driving license? Surely there remit is as a safety authority, not a licensing one?

subway

CiniO wrote: »

But I woulnd't worry too much about it, as it looks like this category won't be available in Ireland.

Here's the wiki on the directive. We don't sell them here so nothing to worry about.
Also I think the b licence covers tge b1 anyway same as higher bike license covers the lower ones
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorised_quadricycle

awec

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Merch

subway wrote: »

A trike or quad generally.
But they also sell motorcycle engined cars in sone places that look like little tike cars

Like this

oh dear god, what is that

I just checked wiki, says the smart fortwo is 730kgs (curb weight)

subway

Single seat, moped engine, in a plsstic shell :-)

Used to see them in Holland all the time.

Merch

awec wrote: »

The back looks very similar to my UK license. B1 is quad / trike.



Must be some sort of EU template for them.

Does that mean automatic licence based on the B (car) licence?

If so i assume that it will be automatically apply for existing licence holders??

subway

That's what I'm thinking. Same as A licence covering A1.

B1 is up to 550, B is up to 3500 do would cover less than 550 by definition

Bannasidhe

CiniO wrote: »

What I wonder if it's still going to be local motor tax offices issuing those licences or is it going to be done centrally f.e. by RSA or something similar?

Surely local motor tax offices won't be printing them, but I think they still might be used for collecting documentation, checking, and ordering those licences from some central point... But this is just speculation.

It's similar to Australian licenses which are issued by the local office. In both Sydney and Brisbane where I had licenses issued there were local offices to serve each borough. In the same Sydney office I did my theory test, booked and took a driving test, registered a car, taxed and insured it and had both my learner's licence and full licence issued. It took less than a month for the whole process to be completed.

In Brisbane I changed my car from a NSW reg to a QLD one, was issued with my new number plates, taxed and insured it - then popped over to another counter when I exchanged my NSW licence for a QLD one - whole thing took two hours and a lot of that was me faffing about trying the find the VIN number.

I doubt we will ever attain that level of one stop efficiency in Ireland but there is no reason a local office can't issue the licences.

CiniO

Jimdagym wrote: »

What would the RSA have to do with the driving license? Surely there remit is as a safety authority, not a licensing one?

There is some "NDLS" logo on those licences with little RSA sign.

Also you are wrong, as RSA deals with lots of things like that (f.e. issuing cards for tachographs, gathering databases on professional drivers doing their annual trainings, and issuing them CPC cards which confirm their CPC entitlements.

awec

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CiniO

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I doubt we will ever attain that level of one stop efficiency in Ireland but there is no reason a local office can't issue the licences.

I assume as this is meant to be "hard to forge" type of document, then it would need some more advanced printing devices, and providing each local motortax office in the country in one of them could be too costly.

Jimdagym

CiniO wrote: »

There is some "NDLS" logo on those licences with little RSA sign.

Also you are wrong, as RSA deals with lots of things like that (f.e. issuing cards for tachographs, gathering databases on professional drivers doing their annual trainings, and issuing them CPC cards which confirm their CPC entitlements.

How am I wrong, I asked a question?

CiniO

Merch wrote: »

Does that mean automatic licence based on the B (car) licence?

If so i assume that it will be automatically apply for existing licence holders??

I'm not sure about the fact if it will be applied at all, as so far none of licencing legislations accomodate for this category.
So unless they will change something, there doesn't seem to such category in Ireland at all.

subway wrote: »

That's what I'm thinking. Same as A licence covering A1.

B1 is up to 550, B is up to 3500 do would cover less than 550 by definition

B1 is up to 550 unladen weight. B is 3500 gross weight. (just to clarify).
Obviously you are right that holder of B licence can drive vehicles of less than 550kg unladen weight.

Merch

awec wrote: »

Do you see where the 118 is on mine in the bottom right? That's the section for codes.

In the UK if that contains the number 78 it means you are only licensed to drive automatics.

I mean is B1 covered if you have B or pass a B test
As in, it applies once you get the B licence.

Not are they automatic transmission, probably a poor choice of words.

awec

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subway

CiniO wrote: »

I assume as this is meant to be "hard to forge" type of document, then it would need some more advanced printing devices, and providing each local motortax office in the country in one of them could be too costly.

I'd say the blanks woukd be hard to forge. After that is regular id card printing. With the right security on storage of the blanks it shouldn't be an issue.
Doesn't mean it would happen though

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

it's still pink.


why not something better like blue or something good.


or an option of colors for license. I'd like that

galwaytt

when are these going to be available/issued from ?

CiniO

galwaytt wrote: »

when are these going to be available/issued from ?

19th January 2013.

Marcusm

CiniO wrote: »

I doubt it at this stage.
Maybe in the future.

CiniO

Are you happy for Prawo Jazdy to appear on the Irish licence?

CiniO

Marcusm wrote: »

CiniO

Are you happy for Prawo Jazdy to appear on the Irish licence?

It was there already for a good while

enda1

Is this then following an EU approved standard? Will there be a comical counterpart document like in the UK which is required when for example renting a car and therefore voiding the whole point of miniaturising?

CiniO

enda1 wrote: »

Is this then following an EU approved standard? Will there be a comical counterpart document like in the UK which is required when for example renting a car and therefore voiding the whole point of miniaturising?

No, there won't be anything like that.

Mint Sauce

Looking at the codes it looks like the address is not printed on it. Good or bad thing?

At least wont have to get re issue if your moving house.

awec

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galwaytt

Ha - my S.O. has wondered if the old paper pink ones will become 'collectible'.

Not, I'd say. But 'sought after'......... maybe.....? Shades of those boxes at car shows with 'brown' tax books. Time to diversify for boxes for pink paper licences, anyone ???

OU812

awec wrote: »

I bet #8 is address. That's what 8 is on UK license, and it's in the exact same place.

They should have address, physical description & blood type on there.

I see the organ donor part is gone. Bad thing.

chasm

OU812 wrote: »

They should have address, physical description & blood type on there.

I see the organ donor part is gone. Bad thing.

I remember reading an article recently that said that the dept of transport opted NOT to put the address on the new licences, for security and logistical reasons.

Also the RSA will be taking over responsibility for issuing the licences centrally.

johnmcdnl

How much will it be to get one anyways if you just wanna ditch - only just passed the test 2 months ago and got the old one so as much as I'd like to get one I can't really justify paying again just go get one to fit in my wallet.