Why AGATT...this is why!

blu3r0ri0n

This is exactly the reason I am a firm beleiver in AGATT! Saying that...each to their own and I wont preach to anyone who doesn't, it's their own choice.

I personally couldnt afford the time off and the medical expenses that AGATT would have prevented from a low speed fall such as the guy on the article below had.

Warning: photos contain picture of butt.

Why wearing jeans on a motorcycle is a really bad idea | Hell for Leather

Do you do AGATT and if you dont; will reading the above article and seeing the damage change your mind?

EDIT:AGATT=All Gear All The Time...in consideration of any newbies might be reading this.

nerrad1983

My god that looks very very sore!!!!

Could have been prevented if he had proper gear on though :rolleyes:

I always wear mine tbh, you never no when it will be needed

eurofoxy

its a tough one but the guy it perfectly in the piece, if he wants to look good its jeans.....for me its agatt all the time regardless.i dont exactly care what people think of me on the bike, i buy the bike for me and the gear to protect me its not a fashion show..
I drove 8500KM across the states this summer and i have to say its a bit shocking how they ride and with nothing but t-shirts etc, but maybe this comes from the weather, if we had the same heat i am sure i would be tempted to wear different gear...Saying that i do take the scooter into town now and then for a short trip wearing t-shirt but that is restricted to 50 and i do not ride it anywhere near the way i ride the CBR..
I wont say this article will change my mind at all as when i decided to get into biking i read a lot of these types of stories etc and most end in the same slow low side off resulting in some nice marks but not fatal but will usually leave a nice permanent mark.

Wonda-Boy

Aye, seen that b4 alright and its pure manky.....can you imagine the pain of the flesh getting tore off the bone like that. This topic has been visited so many times on here so I aint gonna comment again but you know my views blu3 with the amount of gear I have on.

minidazzler

I wear AGATT simply because I wouldn't be too bothered by a broken arm, but road rash, the thought of that puts the fear in me. It's gonna hurt for months being an open wound. A broken bone will feel OK after a few weeks.

Faith+1

Ouch!

Wonda-Boy

It was my little ones bday in August and she had a big slide (you know the really high ones you climb up the left and down the right) I came down the slide with a T shirt on and got an elbow burn, elbow touched the mat for about a second and rip the skin off....it was mental sore and it left a fookin scar!!

Can only imagine a serious road rash.....SWEET BABY JESUS AND THE ORPHANS!!!

daenerysstormborn3

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

Do you do AGATT and if you dont; will reading the above article and seeing the damage change your mind?

No and no.

rat_race

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

It was my little ones bday in August and she had a big slide (you know the really high ones you climb up the left and down the right) I came down the slide with a T shirt on and got an elbow burn, elbow touched the mat for about a second and rip the skin off....it was mental sore and it left a fookin scar!!

Can only imagine a serious road rash.....SWEET BABY JESUS AND THE ORPHANS!!!

Yep. I've fallen off my push bikes several times, at low speed...pain & scars. Taught me the easy way that I do not want to come off any moving object going faster than 15kmh...ever!

blu3r0ri0n

eurofoxy wrote: »

its a tough one but the guy it perfectly in the piece, if he wants to look good its jeans.....for me its agatt all the time regardless.i dont exactly care what people think of me on the bike, i buy the bike for me and the gear to protect me its not a fashion show..
I drove 8500KM across the states this summer and i have to say its a bit shocking how they ride and with nothing but t-shirts etc, but maybe this comes from the weather, if we had the same heat i am sure i would be tempted to wear different gear...Saying that i do take the scooter into town now and then for a short trip wearing t-shirt but that is restricted to 50 and i do not ride it anywhere near the way i ride the CBR..
I wont say this article will change my mind at all as when i decided to get into biking i read a lot of these types of stories etc and most end in the same slow low side off resulting in some nice marks but not fatal but will usually leave a nice permanent mark.

I know you said you go AGATT so my comment is purely for the guy that wants to look good on a bike in jeans; Why not invest in a pair of dragging jeans they look as good as normal jeans and don't cost a fortune.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

No and no.

Since you were the only one so far that has answered the question as a person who does not go AGATT... Out of curisity why not go AGATT? I appriciate that its a personal choice.

Wossack

sometimes the inconvienience of full gear, outweighs the risk - personal choice really

kinda feel the atgatt argument is almost synonymous with the argument against bikes in general - which is primarily why I dont subscribe to it these days

rat_race

Wossack wrote: »

sometimes the inconvienience of full gear, outweighs the risk - personal choice really

kinda feel the atgatt argument is almost synonymous with the argument against bikes in general - which is primarily why I dont subscribe to it these days

Yup.

I prefer my acronym: ATGMOTTWSEFPWDWEVARSCRS (All The Gear Most Of The Time With Some Exceptions For Particularly Warm Days With Excellent Visibility And At Realitvely Slow City Riding Speeds)

Think it'll catch on?

blu3r0ri0n

Wossack wrote: »

sometimes the inconvienience of full gear, outweighs the risk - personal choice really

As you said it is a personal choice, some will take the risk and some wont!Have you considered dragging jeans?

Wossack wrote: »

kinda feel the atgatt argument is almost synonymous with the argument against bikes in general - which is primarily why I dont subscribe to it these days

Fair enough.

daenerysstormborn3

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

I know you said you go AGATT so my comment is purely for the guy that wants to look good on a bike in jeans; Why not invest in a pair of dragging jeans they look as good as normal jeans and don't cost a fortune.



Since you were the only one so far that has answered the question as a person who does not go AGATT... Out of curisity why not go AGATT? I appriciate that its a personal choice.

Sometimes I just can't be bothered gearing up, if I'm just going to the shop I can't be bothered with the extra time putting everything on. If it's one of the 5 days of Summer then gear is minimal. It's nothing got to do with thinking nothing will happen "just down the road", I just sometimes can't be bothered. It's also nothing got to do with thinking I'm invincible, I had a fairly serious off 6 months ago and it just so happened I was all geared up at the time, I still got wrecked.

Pictures and videos won't change most people's minds. Show a picture of a pair of lungs after 40 years of smoking to a smoker and they won't give up. It's just personal choice. Absolutely nothing to do with an "image" - that argument can be flipped against Harley riders who wear everything HD down to their socks and sportsbike riders who wear the full matching one piece, for example, a repsol rider, i.e. they're only wearing the matching gear for their "image".

I know you're not wagging the finger but to those who do, we're all born with one mammy, nobody needs a second.

Wossack

wouldnt mind a pair of draggin's alright

in reality, Ive only not worn full gear, maybe 4 times in the last 3 years - and that would have been full gear, and just normal jeans, just to pop to the shops <5km to get milk, or have a few pints (kidding!)


reckon the ATGATT is primarily an americanism - and probably rightfully.. flipflops and shorts type malarky, which even I (with the aforementioned zen like state of personal choice :P) have some umbrage with hah

Wossack

Wossack wrote: »

wouldnt mind a pair of draggin's alright
just to pop to the shops <5km to get milk, or have a few pints (kidding!)

And I feel guilty going 800m to the petrol station from my birds gaff!

only done it once or twice.Once to get a donner kebab!:)
Doesnt feel right at all

bradknowell

pixiebean22 wrote: »

No and no.

Same here. Fair play to people if they wanna ATGATT but I just dont.

blu3r0ri0n

I hope you dont mind, going to break down your original post to make it easier to follow!

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Sometimes I just can't be bothered gearing up, if I'm just going to the shop I can't be bothered with the extra time putting everything on. If it's one of the 5 days of Summer then gear is minimal. It's nothing got to do with thinking nothing will happen "just down the road", I just sometimes can't be bothered. It's also nothing got to do with thinking I'm invincible, I had a fairly serious off 6 months ago and it just so happened I was all geared up at the time, I still got wrecked.

I personally could not have that attitude and would have thought that off would make you change your mind, everyone is different I suppose, I have two kids, one of them is only an infant, and a wife to think about as I am the only one working at the moment and if I can minimise the damage both personal and financial (how much does a skin graft cost these days?) in order to be able to get back to supporting my family as soon as possible. If I was single and young I could have a diferent opinion, not a reflection on anyone who doesnt go AGATT.

Don't you think the outcome of that would have been a lot worse if you didn’t have the gear on? The gear is there to minimise the damage rather than completely prevent it, an accident is an incident in an uncontrolled environment whit many variables and there is very little the manufacturers can do to truly account for every eventuality.

Also one key thing that everyone seems to forget is that the gear is also there to protect you from the elements, ok some might sight toughen up etc. however, consider this: do you have the same level of concentration you would if you are riding without adequate protection against the elements. We are all vulnerable enough as it is with full concentration and not being protected against the ice cold wind, the occasional rock/bee/bird that hits you square on in the chest or the 4$$hole that throws crushed can of drink out the window that hit you on the shin while you are doing 100Kph.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Pictures and videos won't change most people's minds.

Maybe not everyone but majority of them wil, if it changes one person’s mind and they benefit from it then that’s good enough as far as I am concerned.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

Show a picture of a pair of lungs after 40 years of smoking to a smoker and they won't give up.

I don’t think that’s a fair comparison to make, smoking is an addiction. Biking is too in a way but it’s out of context in this thread.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

It's just personal choice. Absolutely nothing to do with an "image" - that argument can be flipped against Harley riders who wear everything HD down to their socks and sportsbike riders who wear the full matching one piece, for example, a repsol rider, i.e. they're only wearing the matching gear for their "image".

I agree with you it is a personal choice, however, that doesn’t always necessarily mean the right choice, not everyone looks good in a repsol suite! :P

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I know you're not wagging the finger but to those who do, we're all born with one mammy, nobody needs a second.

+1 I just wanted a fair and interesting thread …also I was curious of what opinions/reasons people had.

daenerysstormborn3

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

I hope you dont mind, going to break down your original post to make it easier to follow!



I personally could not have that attitude and would have thought that off would make you change your mind, everyone is different I suppose, I have two kids, one of them is only an infant, and a wife to think about as I am the only one working at the moment and if I can minimise the damage both personal and financial (how much does a skin graft cost these days?) in order to be able to get back to supporting my family as soon as possible. If I was single and young I could have a diferent opinion, not a reflection on anyone who doesnt go AGATT.

Don't you think the outcome of that would have been a lot worse if you didn’t have the gear on? The gear is there to minimise the damage rather than completely prevent it, an accident is an incident in an uncontrolled environment whit many variables and there is very little the manufacturers can do to truly account for every eventuality.

Also one key thing that everyone seems to forget is that the gear is also there to protect you from the elements, ok some might sight toughen up etc. however, consider this: do you have the same level of concentration you would if you are riding without adequate protection against the elements. We are all vulnerable enough as it is with full concentration and not being protected against the ice cold wind, the occasional rock/bee/bird that hits you square on in the chest or the 4$$hole that throws crushed can of drink out the window that hit you on the shin while you are doing 100Kph.


Maybe not everyone but majority of them wil, if it changes one person’s mind and they benefit from it then that’s good enough as far as I am concerned.



I don’t think that’s a fair comparison to make, smoking is an addiction. Biking is too in a way but it’s out of context in this thread.

I agree with you it is a personal choice, however, that doesn’t always necessarily mean the right choice, not everyone looks good in a repsol suite! :P


+1 I just wanted a fair and interesting thread …also I was curious of what opinions/reasons people had.

I missed 6 months of work because of my off and I was wearing all the gear at the time and I'm still wrecked. I had to return to work because I was told I'd have to wait another 18 months before my injuries even begin to settle down. I don't know if the outcome would've been worse or better, if we're going to go down the road of what-ifs, if I had only been wearing jeans on the day of the crash, I would've left work earlier and therefore would've passed the point of the hit before the van reached it so then there would've been no crash to speak of.

I know the gear is there to minimise the damage, I still couldn't be bothered sometimes. I don't think people realise that just because you don't wear ATGATT that doesn't mean you don't understand it's benefits, yeah, it's great and it partly did it's job when I had my off but I still just couldn't be bothered sometimes.

I don't think anyone that rides a bike is unaware of the protection afforded to them by wearing textiles but at the end of the day, if someone wants to wear jeans in lashing rain and freezing cold then good for them and leave them off.

I don't think anybody has the right to judge anybody else on whether they are making the "right choice" on something that is not a legal requirement. It shouldn't even be debated about as much as it seems to be.

To be honest, I don't see why anybody should have to give a reason, it is personal choice. That is what these threads always boil down to, personal choice. It is the personal choice of some to gear up and it is the personal choice of the rest not to.

The ATGATT brigade seem to believe that if you don't wear ATGATT then you are unaware of its benefits or you've never had a serious off or you think you're invincible and that a lesson needs to be given in the benefits of its wearing. Incorrect. I am on bikes years, I don't need a lesson in what's good for me and what's not, it's bad enough that the gardai think they can lecture you and threaten you over not wearing ATGATT without fellow bikers feeling they also possess this power (again, this is not directed specifically at you).

bradknowell

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I missed 6 months of work because of my off and I was wearing all the gear at the time and I'm still wrecked. I had to return to work because I was told I'd have to wait another 18 months before my injuries even begin to settle down. I don't know if the outcome would've been worse or better, if we're going to go down the road of what-ifs, if I had only been wearing jeans on the day of the crash, I would've left work earlier and therefore would've passed the point of the hit before the van reached it so then there would've been no crash to speak of.

I know the gear is there to minimise the damage, I still couldn't be bothered sometimes. I don't think people realise that just because you don't wear ATGATT that doesn't mean you don't understand it's benefits, yeah, it's great and it partly did it's job when I had my off but I still just couldn't be bothered sometimes.

I don't think anyone that rides a bike is unaware of the protection afforded to them by wearing textiles but at the end of the day, if someone wants to wear jeans in lashing rain and freezing cold then good for them and leave them off.

I don't think anybody has the right to judge anybody else on whether they are making the "right choice" on something that is not a legal requirement. It shouldn't even be debated about as much as it seems to be.

To be honest, I don't see why anybody should have to give a reason, it is personal choice. That is what these threads always boil down to, personal choice. It is the personal choice of some to gear up and it is the personal choice of the rest not to.

The ATGATT brigade seem to believe that if you don't wear ATGATT then you are unaware of its benefits or you've never had a serious off or you think you're invincible and that a lesson needs to be given in the benefits of its wearing. Incorrect. I am on bikes years, I don't need a lesson in what's good for me and what's not, it's bad enough that the gardai think they can lecture you and threaten you over not wearing ATGATT without fellow bikers feeling they also possess this power (again, this is not directed specifically at you).

here Here pixie.
every forum seems to throw this debate up a lot. both sides end up agreeing its down to personal choice then the ATGATT people just slyly mention , oh btw how much is a skin graft these days?.

I wear a jacket all the time, put on the leather pants if its pissing out, or I want to show my lovely tush off to the ladies. Apart from that , the lid is always on. I know bla bla bla my hands are freezing never wearing gloves and my skin will rip off bla bla bla but luckily for whoever has a problem with that, it will be my skin and not your's.

Please Kill Me

I wear ATGATT, I have done from day one and I probably always will do. The exception being if it's a warm summer day (remember them?) and I need to nip down to the shop for smokes or something. I'll stick on a lid and go. I'd just have combats and a vest top and a lid, and it might be stupid but it's not far. If, however, I'm going to work or for a spin with a few heads, I'll gear up every time.

This made me think though....

pixiebean22 wrote: »

...if I had only been wearing jeans on the day of the crash, I would've left work earlier and therefore would've passed the point of the hit before the van reached it so then there would've been no crash to speak of....

Similarly I had an off recently. For all the gear I had on, I still broke my collarbone in 4 places and have a dodgy shoulderblade. If I didn't take ten minutes to gear up, I would have passed the point of where I had the accident ten minutes before the car was where it shouldn't have been.

But it comes down to personal choice and I don't see why anybody should give someone else a hard time because they do or don't wear their gear. Each to their own.

Just ride safe!

blu3r0ri0n

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I missed 6 months of work because of my off and I was wearing all the gear at the time and I'm still wrecked. I had to return to work because I was told I'd have to wait another 18 months before my injuries even begin to settle down. ).

Ouch, sorry to hear that!!

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I don't know if the outcome would've been worse or better, if we're going to go down the road of what-ifs, if I had only been wearing jeans on the day of the crash, I would've left work earlier and therefore would've passed the point of the hit before the van reached it so then there would've been no crash to speak of.

I wasn’t playing the what if game, just trying to establish if it would have made a difference in the event of an accident

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I know the gear is there to minimise the damage, I still couldn't be bothered sometimes. I don't think people realise that just because you don't wear ATGATT that doesn't mean you don't understand it's benefits, yeah, it's great and it partly did it's job when I had my off but I still just couldn't be bothered sometimes.
Don’t think anyone that rides a bike is unaware of the protection afforded to them by wearing textiles but at the end of the day, if someone wants to wear jeans in lashing rain and freezing cold then good for them and leave them off.

That’s not entirely the point I was trying to make, since I started riding I met a lot of new riders who have not considered the benefits of adequate protection against the elements which minimised the effect it has on your concentration– when I started off I hadn’t considered that aspect of the gear I always thought about it as a layer of protection during an off – It just came up in conversation I’m not the type that would preach to others and I respect peoples personal choices.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

I don't think anybody has the right to judge anybody else on whether they are making the "right choice" on something that is not a legal requirement. It shouldn't even be debated about as much as it seems to be.

I am not passing judgement on anyone here, however, I am doing this for the benefit of new riders so that they consider all the facts before making a decision, I certainly wish someone had talked to me about it when I bought first bike and rode around with bear minimum gear.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

To be honest, I don't see why anybody should have to give a reason, it is personal choice. That is what these threads always boil down to, personal choice. It is the personal choice of some to gear up and it is the personal choice of the rest not to.

I appreciate that you did give a reason and I did reiterate the point that I understand it’s a personal choice, however, every choice has a reason behind people just don’t randomly go around making choices without considering the consequences and I wanted to understand the logic behind it.

pixiebean22 wrote: »

The ATGATT brigade seem to believe that if you don't wear ATGATT then you are unaware of its benefits or you've never had a serious off or you think you're invincible and that a lesson needs to be given in the benefits of its wearing. Incorrect. I am on bikes years, I don't need a lesson in what's good for me and what's not, it's bad enough that the gardai think they can lecture you and threaten you over not wearing ATGATT without fellow bikers feeling they also possess this power (again, this is not directed specifically at you).

That does go on yes, however, I am not one of them.

bradknowell wrote: »

here Here pixie.
every forum seems to throw this debate up a lot. both sides end up agreeing its down to personal choice then the ATGATT people just slyly mention , oh btw how much is a skin graft these days?.

I wear a jacket all the time, put on the leather pants if its pissing out, or I want to show my lovely tush off to the ladies. Apart from that , the lid is always on. I know bla bla bla my hands are freezing never wearing gloves and my skin will rip off bla bla bla but luckily for whoever has a problem with that, it will be my skin and not your's.

Nothing wrong with a healthy deabte , its only good when constructive comments are made though.

Cienciano

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

Do you do AGATT and if you dont; will reading the above article and seeing the damage change your mind?

Same as pixiebean, no and no.
Didn't even click the link. Not interested in seeing any offs where people get injured, or just the photos of the injuries themselves. Gear or no gear.

Reason I don't do AGATT is that I can't be arsed. Always wear a jacket and gloves, but the bottoms and boots take to long to put on. If it's raining, or looks like it's about to rain, I'll do it. Or if I'm going for a long drive and it's cold.
Not putting on all the gear to do a 5 minute drive down to the shops though.

BrokenArrows

In the UK I pretty much gear up all the time. PMGUATT.

However when I was in France for a few weeks during the summer I found myself riding in shorts and a t shirt. The gear was killing me in 30 degree heat.

Cienciano

I remember renting a bike in Nevada, jacket was extra. I said I'd take one so went in the back to pick one. Put it on and it was unbearably hot. Came out and told the guy at the counter that I wouldn't take a jacket. He said he didn't even put it on the invoice, no one takes a jacket
If I lived somewhere hot I'd have a warm weather jacket.

Pipz

I think the best quote on this topic I've ever heard is "I'd rather have to have a shower than a skin graft."

That's exactly what I think to myself every time I think it's too hot to wear my full gear. I'd rather be a little uncomfortable and sweat and have a shower later, than if I did have an off, and be a LOT more uncomfortable with a skin graft. Same thing if I'm just heading down the road. Is it worth a skin graft to save 5 minutes of time getting ready? Answer for me is absolutely not.

I've been around bikes my whole life and seen so many different injuries etc, that I'd never feel safe if I wasnt wearing AGATT.

But hey, different strokes for different folks. I can see the appealing side too, it just wouldn't be appealing enough to me.

KingIsabella

Gloves, jacket and helmet obviously always! If im going to work or college its usually jeans, if the kevlars are out of the wash theyll get a wear. but if im going for a spin or a good blast then definitly gear up.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Cienciano wrote: »

Same as pixiebean, no and no.
Didn't even click the link. Not interested in seeing any offs where people get injured, or just the photos of the injuries themselves. Gear or no gear.

Reason I don't do AGATT is that I can't be arsed. Always wear a jacket and gloves, but the bottoms and boots take to long to put on. If it's raining, or looks like it's about to rain, I'll do it. Or if I'm going for a long drive and it's cold.
Not putting on all the gear to do a 5 minute drive down to the shops though.

Sum's up my biking too.. Mostly I just can't be arsed.

And tbh I've fallen off the bike wearing everything from combats to proper biking gear and there's been no significant difference.

I've never been able to afford leathers so can't comment on them for everyday wear.

Btw I didn't view the articule and honestly it wouldn't change my mind if I did.

Cuddlesworth

As long as you are aware of the possible damage to your tendons(hand and ankle primarliy) and that skin grafts still just don't work as a solution to large amounts of lost skin, then go ahead. There are a lot of things in my life that I'm not arsed doing but my gear isn't one of them.

If I want to pop five minutes into the shop then I will take the car. And I have never been too hot in this country for a full set of textiles with the vents open.

Cienciano

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

As long as you are aware of the possible damage to your tendons(hand and ankle primarliy) and that skin grafts still just don't work as a solution to large amounts of lost skin, then go ahead. There are a lot of things in my life that I'm not arsed doing but my gear isn't one of them.

If I want to pop five minutes into the shop then I will take the car. And I have never been too hot in this country for a full set of textiles with the vents open.

I dont have a car.
Ive yet to meet a agatt biker that just has a bike and uses it for everything

daenerysstormborn3

Cienciano wrote: »

I dont have a car.
Ive yet to meet a agatt biker that just has a bike and uses it for everything

+1. I also don't have a car and use my bike for everything, I live a 2.5 hour walk from the nearest town with no public transport available to me (unless I want to walk 40 minutes to the nearest bus stop and then take 2 buses to get to where I want to go). As has been said numerous times, sometimes you just can't be arsed gearing up every single time you have to nip out.

blu3r0ri0n

Cienciano wrote: »

I dont have a car.
Ive yet to meet a agatt biker that just has a bike and uses it for everything

I dont have a car either, only licensed to ride bikes and no interets in getting a car license.Its always agatt for me, most of the time even if I am going to the shop or running errands I always take the long route back home just to spend that little bit more time on the bike.

Max Headroom

:rolleyes:..not this old chesnut again...
Just spent the weekend at a bike show in the UK...the amount of bikers in atg i could count on one hand, no power rangers but plenty of sports bikes..mostly jeans boots and jackets....i'm more of a practical thinker and only wear the power-ranger suit in the summer on the "sunny" days, which for some reason are the faster days..;)...otherwise its jeans, leather or denim.. boots, biker or doc's and a jacket, leather or w/proof....each to his/her own , i wont be persuaded by video ,ad's or others opinions...but IMO modern bikers are gone a bit soft....i'll get me coat....:p

arybvtcw0eolkf

Actually thinking about it more, I'm all the gear most of the time but its for comfort and protection against the elements rather than crash protection.

IN warm weather I wear an open face lid, a brilliant jacket which I bought in Mountjoy Motorcycles at 20++ years ago, never once has it leaked and has been in more off's than I can remember.

The pants are Aldi's, I think they cost me about €30 and in the last few years haven't leaked or fallen apart.

But tbh thats when I'm commuting to and from work Monday to Friday, outside of that Its normally jeans, hiking boots and the above mentioned jacket & lid.

I have a car but only use it when I'm going for a pint.

blu3r0ri0n

Maybe if I knew I was only going to the shop and back I would have a diferent mindset, however, my shop runs usually take an hour mininmum...she seems to send me to the shop less and less these days and goes in the car instead of asking me!

Max Headroom

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

Maybe if I knew I was only going to the shop and back I would have a diferent mindset, however, my shop runs usually take an hour mininmum...she seems to send me to the shop less and less these days and goes in the car instead of asking me!

Maybe she has her eye on the lad in the shop.............:D

blu3r0ri0n

Max Headroom wrote: »

Maybe she has her eye on the lad in the shop.............:D

No lads work in that shop.:D...wait a minute....:(...:mad:...:eek:...this could wokr in my favour

bradknowell

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

Maybe if I knew I was only going to the shop and back I would have a diferent mindset, however, my shop runs usually take an hour mininmum...she seems to send me to the shop less and less these days and goes in the car instead of asking me!

Thats the thing though, you dont have to be on a long journey to get in a crash. The crash doesnt happen for the whole commute, just that one spot on the commute so going to the shop is the exact same, accidents can happen anytime anywhere so why would you change your mindset if you only went to the shop? That kind of kills your ATGATT argument .

blu3r0ri0n

bradknowell wrote: »

Thats the thing though, you dont have to be on a long journey to get in a crash. The crash doesnt happen for the whole commute, just that one spot on the commute so going to the shop is the exact same, accidents can happen anytime anywhere so why would you change your mindset if you only went to the shop? That kind of kills you ATGATT argument .

As I said..maybe I just wouldnt be bothered then . I dont see how that effects the ATGATT statement, you talk about it being a personal choice yet when I say I might change my mind about it you think it kills the whole ATGATT motto. Just because I do ATGATT now doesnt neccessarily mean I will stick to it in the future. Just trying to see it from the other point of view thats all.

Cuddlesworth

Anybody else think it was the same person arguing with themselves.

blu3r0ri0n

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Anybody else think it was the same person arguing with themselves.

nice try :rolleyes:

bradknowell

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

As I said..maybe I just wouldnt be bothered then . I dont see how that effects the ATGATT statement, you talk about it being a personal choice yet when I say I might change my mind about it you think it kills the whole ATGATT motto. Just because I do ATGATT now doesnt neccessarily mean I will stick to it in the future. Just trying to see it from the other point of view thats all.

So your not fully dedicated to ATGATT then?
I know your only asking questions to see both points of view.

If you might change your mind in the future does that mean that you will care less about yourself so wont mind busting yourself on the ground because of less gear on you ?

ratracer

I reckon I'm AGATT. Always jacket, helmet boots and either textile trousers or draggin' jeans. I fully expect that if I come off bones will break, but skin grafts really aren't something i want. This is my sole reason for AGATT, what anyone else does is their business.
Happy riding:)

blu3r0ri0n

bradknowell wrote: »

So your not fully dedicated to ATGATT then?
I know your only asking questions to see both points of view.

If you might change your mind in the future does that mean that you will care less about yourself so wont mind busting yourself on the ground because of less gear on you ?

I am right now as I have too many responsibilities towards my family and its in their best interest that I minimise any damage thats going to be done so I can get back to work asap should anything happen!

If my situation was different I might have a different point of view on the whole thing and the thread started on this thought. I was reckless when I was younger but with time that changed, as it does with allot of people.

Who knows I might have a midlife crisis that might change my view or just make me carefree. I might feel this way when my kids are no longer depending on me or when I am 50, when it becomes too much hassle to put on all the gear, to bend down to put on my boots or to reach behind me to fasten my jacket to my trousers at the back.

This is why I don’t pass judgement on people that are not AGATT, different circumstances at one particular point in their life could result in different choices.

A friend of mine has allot of problems with his knees and he is restricted to what he can wear due to the pain he has, but he is an avid biker and has been for many years. He was a firm believer in ATGATT until he got to a point where it was just too painful for him to put on leathers and try to bend down to fasten boots and gear so he just wears full gear on the top and whatever he put on first thing in the morning on the bottom, this is another reason why I don’t pass judgement or lecture people about it.

bradknowell

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

I am right now as I have too many responsibilities towards my family and its in their best interest that I minimise any damage thats going to be done so I can get back to work asap should anything happen!

If my situation was different I might have a different point of view on the whole thing and the thread started on this thought. I was reckless when I was younger but with time that changed, as it does with allot of people.
]Who knows I might have a midlife crisis that might change my view or just make me carefree. I might feel this way when my kids are no longer depending on me or when I am 50, when it becomes too much hassle to put on all the gear, to bend down to put on my boots or to reach behind me to fasten my jacket to my trousers at the back.

This is why I don’t pass judgement on people that are not AGATT, different circumstances at one particular point in their life could result in different choices. A friend of mine has allot of problems with his knees and he is restricted to what he can wear due to the pain he has, but he is an avid biker and has been for many years. He was a firm believer in ATGATT until he got to a point where it was just too painful for him to put on leathers and try to bend down to fasten boots and gear so he just wears full gear on the top and whatever he put on first thing in the morning on the bottom, this is another reason why I don’t pass judgement or lecture people about it.

Thats hairy muff (fair enough) . Im sure anyone on here nearing 50 will love you hahahaha. I have no kids and Im a lazy bollox when it come s to putting the gear on, that and another one or two things that dont really matter but Im just not bothered with ATGATT, each to their own sure as anything else.



only changed colour back to normal in the quote as I use a dark theme on boards.ie and the black text was awkward to read.

blu3r0ri0n

bradknowell wrote: »

Thats hairy muff (fair enough) . Im sure anyone on here nearing 50 will love you hahahaha. I have no kids and Im a lazy bollox when it come s to putting the gear on, that and another one or two things that dont really matter but Im just not bothered with ATGATT, each to their own sure as anything else.



only changed colour back to normal in the quote as I use a dark theme on boards.ie and the black text was awkward to read.

I only thought about that after I posted LOL, I'm sure to get a punch in the arm from a few people I know!

bradknowell

blu3r0ri0n wrote: »

I only thought about that after I posted LOL, I'm sure to get a punch in the arm from a few people I know!

Its ok, they might fall over before the punch lands haha

spiggotpaddy

Brolly-gatt

Wonda-Boy

Love them Dainese sandals........

KamiKazi

If you're that petrified of the possible injuries then maybe biking isn't for you anyway?

I usually gear up fully these days, but that's because I only use the bike for fun spins. I don't commute on it.

Back when I used it everyday, I had no qualms about hopping on with just lid, jacket & gloves in terms of PPE.

I'd love to know what speeds that guy was doing to get road rash like that, I bet he was doing a bit more than the 30-40mph you'd be doing around town.

Cuddlesworth

KamiKazi wrote: »

If you're that petrified of the possible injuries then maybe biking isn't for you anyway?

I usually gear up fully these days, but that's because I only use the bike for fun spins. I don't commute on it.

Back when I used it everyday, I had no qualms about hopping on with just lid, jacket & gloves in terms of PPE.

I'd love to know what speeds that guy was doing to get road rash like that, I bet he was doing a bit more than the 30-40mph you'd be doing around town.

He was doing around 40mph. Its seems to be pretty normal among motorcyclists to completely underestimate the injury's sustained at low speed offs.