GW 9 Captain

shadowcomplex

I think ill captain RVP despite being away to chelsea, think there wil be goals in this

dahat

berbatov away to reading

No Poll,thread fail

roryc

bale away to southampton

18 choices! Thread fail

shadowcomplex

Kagawa away to chelsea

dahat wrote: »

No Poll,thread fail

dahat

berbatov away to reading

shadowcomplex wrote: »

Way to quick am i,ninja responce before poll was visible..........:p

manual_man

bale away to southampton

Ba. Hopefully he can knock one in at the right end this time

berbatov away to reading

Cazorla at home sounds good to me. Hopefully won't be a case of fool me twice I can't get fooled again.

manster

defoe away to southampton

Bale away to Southampton after a weeks rest should be in top form

S.M.B.

I'd be leaning towards Cazorla too but it's far too early in the week to commit either way.

Lemlin

manster wrote: »

Bale away to Southampton after a weeks rest should be in top form

Have you ever had night feed duty!?

Lemlin

S.M.B. wrote: »

I'd be leaning towards Cazorla too but it's far too early in the week to commit either way.

I was thinking of him or Giroud but not so sure after Arsenal's performance this week.

I'm seriously thinking of getting a Spurs player in. They've a good run coming up and Saints next week.

S.M.B.

I'm going to mark that down as a blip. I'd probably steer clear if there were more stand out options within my team but there isn't.

Maybe Tevez if he gets rested mid-week.

Like I said, I'll make a decision Thursday and stick with it unless I hear some concrete injury news.

That strategy has been working well for me so far.

Ace0x9

defoe away to southampton

I think Bale is the most obvious choice followed by Nolan.

roryc

bale away to southampton

There really is far too many options on this, Fellaini and Kagawa probably won't even play!

FutureGuy

Cazorla is an incredible player for Arsenal. Pulls all the strings, has incredible touch, pace and vision.

He could run the show next weekend, be at the heart of everything good in a 4-0 gunners win and still only get 3 points.

dahat

berbatov away to reading

FutureGuy wrote: »

Cazorla is an incredible player for Arsenal. Pulls all the strings, has incredible touch, pace and vision.

He could run the show next weekend, be at the heart of everything good in a 4-0 gunners win and still only get 3 points.

Indeed,Carzola could be one of those players in general tbh,i have gotten him in and will give him 2/3 weeks then maybe look at Bale who may not be as pleasing on the eye but totally effective in terms of FF

Lemlin

dahat wrote: »

Indeed,Carzola could be one of those players in general tbh,i have gotten him in and will give him 2/3 weeks then maybe look at Bale who may not be as pleasing on the eye but totally effective in terms of FF

Not having RVP has allowed me to have Bale, Cazorla and Hazard. I'm holding off on Mata at the minute.

I know RVP had a good weekend but that was the first one since the Saints game and I don't think he's justifying the price tag.

United don't rely on him like Arsenal did.

dahat

berbatov away to reading

Lemlin wrote: »

Not having RVP has allowed me to have Bale, Cazorla and Hazard. I'm holding off on Mata at the minute.

I know RVP had a good weekend but that was the first one since the Saints game and I don't think he's justifying the price tag.

United don't rely on him like Arsenal did.

Curious,What are your front 3?
RVP does eat the budget alright,hard to get the front 3 right this season,none of the big teams are relying on any one striker

roryc

bale away to southampton

dahat wrote: »

Curious,What are your front 3?
RVP does eat the budget alright,hard to get the front 3 right this season,none of the big teams are relying on any one striker

Torres, Ba, Fletcher, Suarez... plenty of teams are relying on one striker!

thunderdog

Lemlin wrote: »

Not having RVP has allowed me to have Bale, Cazorla and Hazard. I'm holding off on Mata at the minute.

I know RVP had a good weekend but that was the first one since the Saints game and I don't think he's justifying the price tag.

United don't rely on him like Arsenal did.

Do you not reckon though he'll still be in the top 3 points wise at the end of the season?

Lemlin

dahat wrote: »

Curious,What are your front 3?
RVP does eat the budget alright,hard to get the front 3 right this season,none of the big teams are relying on any one striker

Suarez, Giroud and Fletcher.

Until last week, I had Tevez, RVP and Fletcher.

Suarez and Giroud are short term tbh. I may keep Giroud but I won't be keeping Suarez.

He will more than likely be gone after this weekend. He was mainly brought in for the Reading game but he didn't perform as expected in it.

Lemlin

thunderdog wrote: »

Do you not reckon though he'll still be in the top 3 points wise at the end of the season?

He may well be but I already have one cheap midfielder in Sterling. Having RVP meant I had to have another 7 million or less mid.

So I have a choice of RVP and Walters/Fellaini/Nolan etc.

Or going with:

Cazorla and more than likely Torres.

I'm hoping that a mid and striker from two top four clubs will beat RVP and a midfielder from a mid table team.

I saw a statistic at the weekend that RVP has now played in 54 consecutive PL games. Only Jon Walters I think has played in more in terms of outfield players.

I think its only time until Fergie starts resting him more. He was involved in the Euros during the Summer as well so hasn't had much resting time.

dahat

berbatov away to reading

roryc wrote: »

Torres, Ba, Fletcher, Suarez... plenty of teams are relying on one striker!

Indeed,corrected i stand...City and Utd then

S.M.B.

RVP is remarkably consistent though and as a result he acts as the perfect default captaincy choice.

You do not get that with cheaper players.

Take away his first game (cause anyone who had him then was nuts) and doubling his scores would give me 102 points if I captained him each week since.

My actual captaincy decisions over the same time period have resulted in 84 points and I've made more good decisions than bad this season. I'm sure there's teams with a lot lower total.

And that folks is why your should always have robin van persie in your team.

Lemlin

S.M.B. wrote: »

RVP is remarkably consistent though and as a result he acts as the perfect default captaincy choice.

You do not get that with cheaper players.

Take away his first game (cause anyone who had him then was nuts) and doubling his scores would give me 102 points if I captained him each week since.

My actual captaincy decisions over the same time period have resulted in 84 points and I've made more good decisions than bad this season. I'm sure there's teams with a lot lower total.

And that folks is why your should always have robin van persie in your team.

Did someone here not comment last week though that none of the top 30 overall teams in the game have him?

I find that sticking to the FFS poll generally works. One of the few poor weeks I had was when I went against it and captained RVP over Hazard.

Ace0x9

defoe away to southampton

Lemlin wrote: »

Did someone here not comment last week though that none of the top 30 overall teams in the game have him?

I find that sticking to the FFS poll generally works. One of the few poor weeks I had was when I went against it and captained RVP over Hazard.

Er, to add to that, RvP just doesn't make sense. People with him in their teams are making the same mistake that Wenger made. They're becoming overtly dependent on him. One bad week from him would completely mess them up. Wenger made ammends. Besides, he might be rotated more often now.

[Not to mention that having him in your team would mean cutting down elsewhere]

SlickRic

Ace0x9 wrote: »

They're becoming overtly dependent on him. One bad week from him would completely mess them up.

not at all true.

i've had VP since GW 3, and Hazard, Tevez in past weeks, Ivan, Pienaar, Michu, Ba and more have all done absolutely fine for me on the few weeks where VP has done next to nothing.

VP is a little overpriced, but not THAT overpriced at the moment, especially as Fergie seems to be playing he, Rooney and Welbeck in the same team, meaning the risk of rotation is less than many will have originally feared.

i think some are actually undervaluing VP slightly. he may not be a 1-man team anymore, but he's still a huge FF player, and will continue to be as long as he stays fit.

Ace0x9

defoe away to southampton

SlickRic wrote: »

not at all true.

i've had VP since GW 3, and Hazard, Tevez in past weeks, Ivan, Pienaar, Michu, Ba and more have all done absolutely fine for me on the few weeks where VP has done next to nothing.

VP is a little overpriced, but not THAT overpriced at the moment, especially as Fergie seems to be playing he, Rooney and Welbeck in the same team, meaning the risk of rotation is less than many will have originally feared.

i think some are actually undervaluing VP slightly. he may not be a 1-man team anymore, but he's still a huge FF player, and will continue to be as long as he stays fit.

I guess it's all about juggling him around and compromising elsewhere in your team, isn't it?
I couldn't when I had him in my team, I guess that makes my point of view a bit biased. Having said that, I can't take away the fact that he could still end up in the top 5 FPL forwards' list at the end of the year.

Mr.Nice Guy

berbatov away to reading

I'm leaning towards Cazorla at the minute. You'd expect a big response from Arsenal after the Norwich game.

SlickRic

Ace0x9 wrote: »

I can't take away the fact that he could still end up in the top 5 FPL forwards' list at the end of the year.

i would be shocked if he wasn't in the top 5 at least.

Lemlin

SlickRic wrote: »

not at all true.

i've had VP since GW 3, and Hazard, Tevez in past weeks, Ivan, Pienaar, Michu, Ba and more have all done absolutely fine for me on the few weeks where VP has done next to nothing.

VP is a little overpriced, but not THAT overpriced at the moment, especially as Fergie seems to be playing he, Rooney and Welbeck in the same team, meaning the risk of rotation is less than many will have originally feared.

i think some are actually undervaluing VP slightly. he may not be a 1-man team anymore, but he's still a huge FF player, and will continue to be as long as he stays fit.

He's priced based on his returns last year though and I can't see him scaling those heights again.

Rooney, Wellbeck and RVP played at the weekend but Kagawa and Young weren't even in the squad. Both of those have to come back and could have an effect on RVP's playing time indirectly.

Not to mention Fergie trying to give playing time to Hernandez, Nani and Giggs who all didn't start.

There are only so many forward positions available no matter what formation United play and Fergie has alot of players to rotate.

Blatter

aguero home to swansea

If Tevez doesn't start against Ajax, then he'll be my captain as he should start against Swansea. If he does start against Ajax, then I'll probably opt for Bale although the fact he'll probably be playing in Slovenia on Thursday night won't fill me with confidence.

Lemlin

Blatter wrote: »

If Tevez doesn't start against Ajax, then he'll be my captain as he should start against Swansea. If he does start against Ajax, then I'll probably opt for Bale although the fact he'll probably be playing in Slovenia on Thursday night won't fill me with confidence.

Has Bale played in a Uefa cup game yet? I thought he was rested in them.

FatRat

aguero home to swansea

Bale played against Panathanaikos afaik, Lemlin.


Same as above, Tevez if he doesn't start midweek. Plenty of goals at Home to Swansea and Tevez is playing well.

Blatter

aguero home to swansea

Lemlin wrote: »

Has Bale played in a Uefa cup game yet? I thought he was rested in them.

He's played in both Europa League games so far. AVB takes the competition very seriously.

Lemlin

Blatter wrote: »

He's played in both Europa League games so far. AVB takes the competition very seriously.

Ah right. That's a pity. I haven't watched a Europa league game in about five years!

Blatter

aguero home to swansea

Lemlin wrote: »

Ah right. That's a pity. I haven't watched a Europa league game in about five years!

One thing I will say is that Bale didn't play on Saturday so playing Thursday and then Sunday might not affect him as much, but the team in general could well be affected which would decrease Bale's chances of scoring high.

iroced

aguero home to swansea

As far as I can understand the debate around RVP price tag what other solution do you have at the moment?

I mean, to perform well in that game you generally need to have a strike force made of a combination of one of the right player from each top teams associated with 2 to 4 cheaper options i.e. players getting great returns in being the central attacking points from smaller teams like Michu or Nolan (actually Noble might even be a better "striking force 9th man option") this season.

So. Up to now the Man City standout player is Tevez. For Chelsea you have Hazard or Mata. Getting Torres would mean doublin up on Chelsea. Why not but it also means not having a player from either Man U/Ars/Tot... For Arsenal & Tottenham the big names aren't performing that well up to now. Cazorla is not giving much more return than Gervinho. And the same can be said for Bale vs Defoe. So if you don't get VP who is your United cover? Rooney? No one?

This season seems to be a lot more open than the 2 previous though (I can't talk about the preceding ones as I was not playing the game). Besides Hazard/Mata there's no clear standout player in midfield and forward. There's a choice of 10ish players which makes it quite interesting.

roryc

bale away to southampton

iroced wrote: »

As far as I can understand the debate around RVP price tag what other solution do you have at the moment?

I mean, to perform well in that game you generally need to have a strike force made of a combination of one of the right player from each top teams associated with 2 to 4 cheaper options i.e. players getting great returns in being the central attacking points from smaller teams like Michu or Nolan (actually Noble might even be a better "striking force 9th man option") this season.

So. Up to now the Man City standout player is Tevez. For Chelsea you have Hazard or Mata. Getting Torres would mean doublin up on Chelsea. Why not but it also means not having a player from either Man U/Ars/Tot... For Arsenal & Tottenham the big names aren't performing that well up to now. Cazorla is not giving much more return than Gervinho. And the same can be said for Bale vs Defoe. So if you don't get VP who is your United cover? Rooney? No one?

This season seems to be a lot more open than the 2 previous though (I can't talk about the preceding ones as I was not playing the game). Besides Hazard/Mata there's no clear standout player in midfield and forward. There's a choice of 10ish players which makes it quite interesting.

As you say, the question is, if you get rid of RVP who do you replace him with? The best MF options this year are nowhere near as expensive as last year so you can usually afford the players you want.

Downgrading RVP to say Ba/Fletcher/Tevez will give you a couple of million to use. So you could upgrade Michu/Nolan/Pienaar to Bale/Cazorla (I'm assuming everyone should already have either Mata or Hazard so won't include them here), or upgrade a few defenders (I'll also assume most people either Ivanovich or Baines).

In the end I think you will end up weakening your team. I think RVP + one of the three others is still the best combination. Part of this is due to the fact that you will captain RVP a lot when you have him, and those times when he scores 10+ will see you fly ahead of your rivals that don't have him.

Someone recently said the top 20 managers in the world all don't have RVP which is interesting, but I'll be keeping him. He's the best striker in the game at the moment, and the cash just isn't that vital across the rest of your team. Sure I'd like to have players like Bale playing alongside Mata and Cazorla, but not at the cost of RVP.

Lemlin

Blatter wrote: »

One thing I will say is that Bale didn't play on Saturday so playing Thursday and then Sunday might not affect him as much, but the team in general could well be affected which would decrease Bale's chances of scoring high.

Bale isn't travelling to Spurs' Europa League game but is training to be ready for the Saints match.

Ace0x9

defoe away to southampton

Lemlin wrote: »

Bale isn't travelling to Spurs' Europa League game but is training to be ready for the Saints match.

Looks like Captain potential.

Phoenix Park

baines home to liverpool

Aguero starts tonight. Would love to captain him at the weekend but i'm nervous he won't start. I'd say he's about an 80% chance of starting but with Mancini you never know. Frustrating, a real downside to City players up front.

GetWithIt

Lemlin wrote: »

Bale isn't travelling to Spurs' Europa League game but is training to be ready for the Saints match.

Not doubt practicing his Bebeto celebration. Definitely an acquired skill.

massdebater

aguero home to swansea

Tevez (c) Cazorla (vc). Tevez has to be a serious contender for anyone who still has him now.

Notable mention for Crouch. 3 goals in 3 home games, averaging 8 points per home game. And two of those games were against Arsenal and Man City. Playing against a poor Sunderland side this week with some very favourable fixtures on the horizon. I'm really considering taking a 4 point hit to get him in for Fletcher.

Necronomicon

berbatov away to reading

Voted for Carzola in the poll, but two defeats on the trot for Arsenal means I'm thinking strongly about Tevez or RVP. Tevez not coming on until late last night was promising for the weekend. Both United and Chelsea defences are leaky at the moment, last season the fixture ended 3-3, I could see this being a high scoring one.

Cantona's Collars

Currently have RVP as captain but Defoe against a leaky Saints defence could be a differential.Stick or twist?

Steel Dog

aguero home to swansea

Goin with Tevez at home to Swansea. Him not starting lastnite and only getting on near the end has convinced me to go with him.

Cazorla (vc)

John83

berbatov away to reading

I voted Cazorla but I'm also thinking Aguero or Mata. Aguero might not start though. Mata on the other hand is on fire and Utd are a bit rocky at the back. I can see goals in that game and it'd be hard to see Mata not in the mix.

Gillington

bale away to southampton

Voted for Ba,but yous have me doubting myself,think I might go for Tevez! I just dont like captaining City players with the serious rotation,got burned before with Tevez only appearing as a sub one week

S.M.B.

Gillington wrote: »

Voted for Ba,but yous have me doubting myself,think I might go for Tevez! I just dont like captaining City players with the serious rotation,got burned before with Tevez only appearing as a sub one week

If you can't captain a £9.4 priced forward from a top 3 team when they're at home to a defensively poor team after the player in question has been somewhat rested in a mid week game then you have to seriously question if that player be in your team.

I said earlier I would captain Tevez if he didn't start during the week and I'm going to stick to it. Should I get burned by him coming on for the last 5 minutes then I know it's time to get rid of him and Ba will come straight into my team.

(oddly enough you can kind of apply the same logic to santi cazorla)

Blatter

aguero home to swansea

If Tevez doesn't start tomorrow (I'm 80% certain he will!) then he will surely start the next PL game as I can't see Mancini benching him three games in a row, not when his current form is pretty good.

So if by chance Tevez doesn't start against Swansea, I'd still be holding onto him for West Ham away, and then maybe get rid of him.