BMW-The most overrated car on earth?

cfc1888

I know this isnt going to be a very popular thread. BUT IMO BMW are SOOOO overrated. Im not talking about the high-performance "proper M-jobs". Im talking about the average yokes you see the "Ive got it made-Im in a Beemer type fools driving around these days". My brother wants to buy a 05-06 white beemer.Im trying to put him off. So many fools are sucked in by this BMW badge thing.Not for me personally.Irish people are suckers for em.Prestige-My arse.;)Awaits a bashing.

Supergurrier

Mercedes

RED PASSION

cfc1888 wrote: »

I know this isnt going to be a very popular thread. BUT IMO BMW are SOOOO overrated. Im not talking about the high-performance "proper M-jobs". Im talking about the average yokes you see the "Ive got it made-Im in a Beemer type fools driving around these days". My brother wants to buy a 05-06 white beemer.Im trying to put him off. So many fools are sucked in by this BMW badge thing.Not for me personally.Irish people are suckers for em.Prestige-My arse.;)Awaits a bashing.

I agree, BMW has some marketing department

The Clown Man

cfc1888 wrote: »

I know this isnt going to be a very popular thread. BUT IMO BMW are SOOOO overrated. Im not talking about the high-performance "proper M-jobs". Im talking about the average yokes you see the "Ive got it made-Im in a Beemer type fools driving around these days". My brother wants to buy a 05-06 white beemer.Im trying to put him off. So many fools are sucked in by this BMW badge thing.Not for me personally.Irish people are suckers for em.Prestige-My arse.;)Awaits a bashing.

You've very obviously never owned one.

delad

Its so common, every second car on the road is a bmw these days, why would you want the same car everyone else is driving. They are s1te inside, really cheap and tacky and poorly laid out. They look crap on the outside too, no style at all, they are just blocks, apart from the 6 series which looks great and the 7 series isn't too bad.

smcgiff

They can look very basic on the inside, and you've to pay a lot to get the goodies.

Oh and the 1.6l was a complete joke, far too under powered.

Ardennes1944

They are extremely boring on the inside especially the 1 and 3 series. But then most vag cars are. I can see why people like them though, theres something about them, moreso the older models IMO though.

challengemaster

delad wrote: »

Its so common, every second car on the road is a bmw these days, why would you want the same car everyone else is driving. They are s1te inside, really cheap and tacky and poorly laid out. They look crap on the outside too, no style at all, they are just blocks, apart from the 6 series which looks great and the 7 series isn't too bad.

You need glasses

cfc1888

The Clown Man wrote: »

You've very obviously never owned one.

My other brother did.Problem after problem. But your right-Ive never owned one personally. They make beautiful cars without a doubt. But when they f-up they cost a lot to repair.And things go wrong pretty frequently on beemers. The quality is often overlooked for the badge I think by Irish buyers.Germans tend to avoid BMW.;)

cannonballer

No its really AUDI's. Horribly dull junk.

Kenny Logins

cfc1888 wrote: »

I know this isnt going to be a very popular thread. BUT IMO BMW are SOOOO overrated. Im not talking about the high-performance "proper M-jobs". Im talking about the average yokes you see the "Ive got it made-Im in a Beemer type fools driving around these days". My brother wants to buy a 05-06 white beemer.Im trying to put him off. So many fools are sucked in by this BMW badge thing.Not for me personally.Irish people are suckers for em.Prestige-My arse.;)Awaits a bashing.

What do you drive? Just curious...

areyawell

I bet that no one who commented so far could afford a BMW :rolleyes: and thats why there slating them. There nice cars but sure would rather a Bugatti or Lamborghini myself

Ardennes1944

You can buy a decent e36 for about 1k nowadays there man, I'd say everyone can afford a BMW, if they wanted to. And challengemaster owns a very nice one...

Pottler

areyawell wrote: »

I bet that no one who commented so far could afford a BMW :rolleyes: and thats why there slating them. There nice cars but sure would rather a Bugatti or Lamborghini myself

Why's that? Are they expensive? Don't look too dear on Donedeal, especially the older petrol ones. Actually look pretty cheap, tbf.

AugustusMinimus

I think the point that needs to be made here is that in the last 10 years, cheaper cars have closed the gap on more expensive cars in terms of driveability and equipment. However, the price gap for the most part has remained the same.

The added value you used to get for the extra cost just isn't as much as it used to be.

When it comes to BMW, I just can't get over the modern styling. The new 1 series, 3 series, 5 series and 7 series are all ugly IMO. The 6 series I like.

BMW have also gone nuts with the amount of SUVs they produce. The X1 and X3 are as ugly as sin. I don't mind the styling on the X6 but it's completely impractical considering it's supposed to be an SUV.

I also note that BMW will soon be produced a FWD car. Since when can a FWD car be considered "The Ultimate Driving Machine" ?

RED PASSION

i can afford one but would like to know if the entry level beemer is worth it or is my money better spent elsewhere ie another manufacturer

cfc1888

areyawell wrote: »

I bet that no one who commented so far could afford a BMW :rolleyes: and thats why there slating them. There nice cars but sure would rather a Bugatti or Lamborghini myself

Afford a BMW?Get real.The prestige days are over. BMWs are chavmobiles or boring business- man mobiles these days. Common as muck.;)

cfc1888

Kenny Logins wrote: »

What do you drive? Just curious...

07 VW Golf TDI. A lot cheaper than an equivalent BMW and twice the car. Mine is an import with all the trimmings by the way.I know theres an awful hatred for VW on motors but so what.

Stinicker

Audi's are over rated, I drive a BMW but I think Audis have the most aggressive drivers on the road now.

AugustusMinimus

Stinicker wrote: »

Audi's are over rated, I drive a BMW but I think Audis have the most aggressive drivers on the road now.

FWD Audis are certainly over rated. I wouldn't say the same about Quattros.

drunkmonkey

I'll be going back to a Lexus (or maybe an XF) once I clock up about another 30,000 on my beamer. A lexus is so much more luxurious than a BMW sorry I ever changed.

mb1725

This thread could end up like ths:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaB40TLQE8M

Toyotafanboi

cfc1888 wrote: »

07 VW Golf TDI.

Do you ever get into your overpriced german car and ask yourself questions like,

where are the buttons?
why is the only button on my dash the rear demister and the rest plastic blanks?
why dont i have rear electric windows?
why does my heater only have 4 preset directions, no mixers and no A/C?
why dont i have heated mirrors?
why do i have hub caps on a freakin 2007 car?
why do my plastics look "soft touch" but are not?
why aren't my mouldings and door handles colour co-ordinated?
why is replacement everything so expensive?

and so on and so on. most VW's imo are the most ****tily spec'd cars in the country right now.

i'm sure you have to carry a mop for when you tell a woman you drive a TDi but really i cannot believe a VW Golf driver just had the cheek to call another brand over-rated.

i would say without a shadow of a doubt that the golf diesel is the most over rated car in the country at the minute.

edit : an import with all the trimmings? in Golf country whats that? alloys, front fogs and central locking?

Gumbo

RED PASSION wrote: »

i can afford one but would like to know if the entry level beemer is worth it or is my money better spent elsewhere ie another manufacturer

Why buy a new entry level car when you can get a better spec'd car if a year or 2 older, not another badge snob?

Matt Simis

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'll be going back to a Lexus (or maybe an XF) once I clock up about another 30,000 on my beamer. A lexus is so much more luxurious than a BMW sorry I ever changed.

I think you confused Mercedes with BMW when buying the car.. :P

delad wrote: »

Its so common, every second car on the road is a bmw these days, why would you want the same car everyone else is driving.

Stats posted here before showed that BMWs occupy a very small % of the marketshare here, they simply stand out more from the ocean of Avensis and Golf we are actually plagued with.
IMO its annoying so many people buy the (admittedly well rounded and well priced) 520d's, it gives a predominantly turf burner wiff to the marque.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Do you ever get into your overpriced german car and ask yourself questions like,

Nope, my German car(s) cost the price of a street of townhouses in Germany when new but do have things like full electric leather heated seats, auto disengages A/C when planting GO pedal, auto tilt rear view mirror when reversing, sunroof, pillarless doors, full OBC control showing litres of fuel left, actual real speed, instant/avg MPG all switchable to Metric and imperial, rear wheel steering, electric sunblind, the same Drag Co-Efficient as a Prius but doesnt look like $hit etc.

Its super easy to find well spec'ed German cars, dont blame the car for the rubbish choices of the average Irish motorist.

drunkmonkey

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Do you ever get into your overpriced german car and ask yourself questions like,

I ask myself every day, why did BMW not put a cup holder in my car. I'm so sorry I didn't notice it didn't have one when I was buying. Toyota could teach them a thing or two about the basics.

AugustusMinimus

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Do you ever get into your overpriced german car and ask yourself questions like,

where are the buttons?
why is the only button on my dash the rear demister and the rest plastic blanks?
why dont i have rear electric windows?
why does my heater only have 4 preset directions, no mixers and no A/C?
why dont i have heated mirrors?
why do i have hub caps on a freakin 2007 car?
why do my plastics look "soft touch" but are not?
why aren't my mouldings and door handles colour co-ordinated?
why is replacement everything so expensive?

and so on and so on. most VW's imo are the most ****tily spec'd cars in the country right now.

i'm sure you have to carry a mop for when you tell a woman you drive a TDi but really i cannot believe a VW Golf driver just had the cheek to call another brand over-rated.

i would say without a shadow of a doubt that the gold diesel is the most over rated car in the country at the minute.

edit : an import with all the trimmings? in Golf country whats that? alloys, front fogs and central locking?

Do you actually drive a Toyota ? If so, people in glass houses and all that....

Ardennes1944

Drives a glanza, and I'm sure he would agree that it is not the nicest place to sit in either, but then it's not meant to be is it? A BMW is

Stainless_Steel

As an industrial designer I feel that BMWs are in fact under-rated (not under-priced!).

An awful lot of thought goes into their design. My mother got into my 5 series the other day and said its a bit simple and plain looking inside. She didn't realise what a compliment to BMW that was...

AugustusMinimus

Ardennes1944 wrote: »

Drives a glanza, and I'm sure he would agree that it is not the nicest place to sit in either, but then it's not meant to be is it? A BMW is

It's sister car, the Lexus IS200 is meant to be. And that's an absolute plastic mess on the inside.

RED PASSION

kceire wrote: »

Why buy a new entry level car when you can get a better spec'd car if a year or 2 older, not another badge snob?

i would happily drive a 2-3 yr old non BMW with good spec over a entry level beemer. I do like BMW also, 3 series not ashamed to say that.

AugustusMinimus

Stainless_Steel wrote: »

As an industrial designer I feel that BMWs are in fact under-rated (not under-priced!).

An awful lot of thought goes into their design. My mother got into my 5 series the other day and said its a bit simple and plain looking inside. She didn't realise what a compliment to BMW that was...

I actually think that BMW's interiors are much nicer than say Merc interiors. Some of the Merc interiors have a very plastic feel. I also don't like the way there is a gap between the centre console and the dash on modern Mercs. Just doesn't look right.

Interiors is prob the one place where Audi have it over both BMW and Merc. They get well beaten in most of the other facets though.

Toyotafanboi

Matt Simis wrote: »

Nope, my German car(s) cost the price of a street of townhouses in Germany when new but do have things like full electric heated seats, auto disengage A/C when planting GO pedal, auto tilt rear view mirror when reversing, sunroof, pillarless doors, full OBC control showing litres of fuel left, actual real speed, instant/avg MPG all switchable to Metric and imperial, rear wheel steering, electric sunblind, the same Drag Co-Efficient as a Prius but doesnt look like $hit etc.

Its super easy to find well spec'ed German cars, dont blame the car for the rubbish choices of the average Irish motorist.

i 100% agree, seen a few of your posts on here and a few of your cars are smashers alright, i was just making the point that the vast majority of german cars over here have been bought for the premium badge and the new number plate and been spec'd extremely badly, with cloth, hubcaps, fog blanks etc which is stupid carry on.

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Do you actually drive a Toyota ? If so, people in glass houses and all that....

i do currently, but have owned many different cars from other manufacturers. in the last year i've owned 4 cars, 2 european and 2 japanese and all have had a bare minimum of alloy wheels, air con, central locking, front fogs and stuff that volkswagens of the same era as i was pruchasing from (early 2000's) could only dream of.

my current 14 year old toyota even has power fold mirrors amongst other things.

tl;dr : buy a well spec'd car, not a volkswagen badge.

cfc1888

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Do you ever get into your overpriced german car and ask yourself questions like,

where are the buttons?
why is the only button on my dash the rear demister and the rest plastic blanks?
why dont i have rear electric windows?
why does my heater only have 4 preset directions, no mixers and no A/C?
why dont i have heated mirrors?
why do i have hub caps on a freakin 2007 car?
why do my plastics look "soft touch" but are not?
why aren't my mouldings and door handles colour co-ordinated?
why is replacement everything so expensive?

and so on and so on. most VW's imo are the most ****tily spec'd cars in the country right now.

i'm sure you have to carry a mop for when you tell a woman you drive a TDi but really i cannot believe a VW Golf driver just had the cheek to call another brand over-rated.

i would say without a shadow of a doubt that the golf diesel is the most over rated car in the country at the minute.

edit : an import with all the trimmings? in Golf country whats that? alloys, front fogs and central locking?

Ok I have all the things you mentioned, A/C, heated mirrors, I DONT have hub caps FFS;).I thought rear electric windows were standard. If not-my bad.FYI the buttons on the steering wheel are the same as any other car I presume-On the fcuking steering wheel.My door handles arent moulded FFS, Christ almighty,the golf hating continues.Get over it. There are some nice golfs out there.I know the golfs your on about and I despise em as much as you;)+ ESP, and no replacements for anything so far.VW quality and all that

AugustusMinimus

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i do currently, but have owned many different cars from other manufacturers. in the last year i've owned 4 cars, 2 european and 2 japanese and all have had a bare minimum of alloy wheels, air con, central locking, front fogs and stuff that volkswagens of the same era as i was pruchasing from (early 2000's) could only dream of.

my current 14 year old toyota even has power fold mirrors amongst other things.

tl;dr : buy a well spec'd car, not a volkswagen badge.

I just don't link Toyota's with being well speced. Engines and gearboxes which will do 300k, yes.

If I wanted a well speced Japanese car, I'd most likely buy a Honda. The equipment in the Accord is excellent.

Toyotafanboi

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

I just don't link Toyota's with being well speced. Engines and gearboxes which will do 300k, yes.

If I wanted a well speced Japanese car, I'd most likely buy a Honda. The equipment in the Accord is excellent.

if you import they are, but again i agree most irish toyotas are just as spartan.

As was stated by ardennes, my car the starlet feels like a biscuit tin, and at motorway speeds on a wet windy day does have you in a cold sweat. but in 1998 toyota were giving out 3 door city cars with electric windows, mirrors, heated power folding mirrors, remote central locking, driver and passenger airbags, air con, CD changers etc all as standard in japan. show me a 98 polo with any of that.

in the same year in the irish starlet, all you got from that list was the drivers airbag.

irish people need a hold of themselves. i'd never even consider buying new in ireland (even if i had the money :P) when cars elsewhere are just so much better.

high horse

cfc1888 wrote: »

Ok I have all the things you mentioned, A/C, heated mirrors, I DONT have hub caps FFS;).I thought rear electric windows were standard. If not-my bad.FYI the buttons on the steering wheel are the same as any other car I presume-On the fcuking steering wheel.My door handles arent moulded FFS, Christ almighty,the golf hating continues.Get over it. There are some nice golfs out there.I know the golfs your on about and I despise em as much as you;)+ ESP, and no replacements for anything so far.VW quality and all that

Haha! You start a thread bitching about BMW's but when someone replies with the flaws in your car, your advice is to "get over it". Maybe you should take your own advice...

barura

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

if you import they are, but again i agree most irish toyotas are just as spartan.

As was stated by ardennes, my car the starlet feels like a biscuit tin, and at motorway speeds on a wet windy day does have you in a cold sweat. but in 1998 toyota were giving out 3 door city cars with electric windows, mirrors, heated power folding mirrors, remote central locking, driver and passenger airbags, air con, CD changers etc all as standard in japan. show me a 98 polo with any of that.

in the same year in the irish starlet, all you got from that list was the drivers airbag.

irish people need a hold of themselves. i'd never even consider buying new in ireland (even if i had the money :P) when cars elsewhere are just so much better.

You just stated a car from its origin country was spec'd to the nines while its Irish equivalent was not... only an airbag did you say?

The Polo's from that generation have airbags as well. Plus electric windows as standard. Something that baffles me to this day.

Light Switch

Most over-rated cars at the moment are VAG diesels.

I'd drive a nicely speced E39 over ANY modern VAG. So much more value for money!

Toyotafanboi

barura wrote: »

You just stated a car from its origin country was spec'd to the nines while its Irish equivalent was not... only an airbag did you say?

The Polo's from that generation have airbags as well. Plus electric windows as standard. Something that baffles me to this day.

i think i've went off tangent a good bit from my point, so i'l stop
the thread is about BM'S and i'm trying to turn it around to poorly spec'd irish stuff.

but a 98 polo with airbags and leccy windows as standard, dont think so. on the options list perhaps, but definitely not as standard.

spam over

Light Switch

Actually while on the subject of extras,

Seen a 94 Ford Granada the other day,
Leather Interior,
Heated and electric front seats.
Electric Rear Seats!
Electric sunroof/windows/mirrors
CD Player and Tape Deck,
Wipers for the front lights,
Puddle Lights on all doors,

Sooooooo much more cooler than 99% of modern cars!

Tea 1000

There are some things that need to be said after reading through this thread with a lot of drivel within.
People who say "I want a beemer when I have money" don't know what they're on about or why they want one.
Many Beemers are under spec'd and over priced, many are excellent and class leading.
Golfs are good all-rounders but excel at nothing.
1.9 TDi Golfs are fairly crap.
VW quality is nowhere near where it's perceived to be in this country.
FWD Audi owners are the pinnacle of motoring ignorance.
A FWD BMW would have no reason to exist and should be crushed.
Toyota had gone steadily downhill in the last 10 years until the GT86 came along and gave them a point again.
There's more, but that'll do for now.

Toyotafanboi

Light Switch wrote: »

Actually while on the subject of extras,

Seen a 94 Ford Granada the other day,
Leather Interior,
Heated and electric front seats.
Electric Rear Seats!
Electric sunroof/windows/mirrors
CD Player and Tape Deck,
Wipers for the front lights,
Puddle Lights on all doors,

Sooooooo much more cooler than 99% of modern cars!

seen one very similar, a Granada Scorpio Ghia i think was its full title, graphic equaliser under the stereo and all sorts, like you say, infinitely more cool that a 12 reg 1.6 diesel mondeo.

barura

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i think i've went off tangent a good bit from my point, so i'l stop
the thread is about BM'S and i'm trying to turn it around to poorly spec'd irish stuff.

but a 98 polo with airbags and leccy windows as standard, dont think so. on the options list perhaps, but definitely not as standard.

spam over

Electric mirrors, my apologies.

Tea 1000

barura wrote: »

Electric mirrors, my apologies.

I think they had electric mirrors as standard because after turning the wheel to park with no power steering, your arms were to f**ked to move a mirror handle to adjust it!

SRFC

There is too many 5 series on the roads imo look out for yourself an count them unreal amount every wannabe gangster is driving one or as I like to call them (pretenders) the cars are going for 4-5k not exactly big bucks yet they like to think or other people to think they've money,the old 3 series are poverty spec would much prefer an 02 Avensis than a 3 series bmw from the same time.

Light Switch

SRFC wrote: »

There is too many 5 series on the roads imo look out for yourself an count them unreal amount every wannabe gangster is driving one or as I like to call them (pretenders) the cars are going for 4-5k not exactly big bucks yet they like to think or other people to think they've money,the old 3 series are poverty spec would much prefer an 02 Avensis than a 3 series bmw from the same time.

My father owns a 5 series is he a ganster?

Old 3 series are poverty spec? You can spec an E36 with,
Electric sunroof, windows, mirrors, seats,
Leather standard or sports,
Heated Seats,
Electric Lumbar Support,
Duel Climate Control,
Alarm and remote locking,
Traction control, abs etc...
Heated mirrors and door locks,
You can get the dash to digitally display road speed, avg speed, current speed etc....

Im not even thinking of half the stuff you can get.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

:rolleyes:

Toyotafanboi

Light Switch wrote: »

My father owns a 5 series is he a ganster?

Old 3 series are poverty spec? You can spec an E36 with,
Electric sunroof, windows, mirrors, seats,
Leather standard or sports,
Heated Seats,
Electric Lumbar Support,
Duel Climate Control,
Alarm and remote locking,
Traction control, abs etc...
Heated mirrors and door locks,
You can get the dash to digitally display road speed, avg speed, current speed etc....

Im not even thinking of half the stuff you can get.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

:rolleyes:

sure you can spec any car up. i'm sure you can get most of those in a new fiat panda if you ask for them.

the question is more like - what does the average irish e36 have as standard?

i've seen many with hub caps, probably manual windows etc.

why pay all that money for a BMW badge to get a worse kitted out car than the ford focus next to it that cost half the price but has twice the goodies.

SRFC

Light Switch wrote: »

My father owns a 5 series is he a ganster?

Old 3 series are poverty spec? You can spec an E36 with,
Electric sunroof, windows, mirrors, seats,
Leather standard or sports,
Heated Seats,
Electric Lumbar Support,
Duel Climate Control,
Alarm and remote locking,
Traction control, abs etc...
Heated mirrors and door locks,
You can get the dash to digitally display road speed, avg speed, current speed etc....

Im not even thinking of half the stuff you can get.

Don't talk about things you know nothing about.

:rolleyes:

If you lived in Dublin you would see all the scumbag criminals in the car of choice e60 5 series,



on the 3 series,first of all I have yet to see an old one with heated seats,secondly a lot an i mean a lot of the ones I viewed were retro fitted with cd players as they came new with CASSETE players thats right no cd player in these luxury 3 series's here just one recent example 2k for this classy an stlying (not my words) that of the adds http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/4068616 absolute poverty spec not to mention the mechanic failures in these mainly being the head gasket which is a major problem in them so dont insult my intelligence by claiming im ignorant on the bmw brand.

Light Switch

Most Focusi i see are basic too?

You seem to think EVERY BMW driver scrapes together the money to just buy the badge and then can't afford options?

Fact is most people in this country want a new reg plate and diesel and couldn't care less about options.

Esel

cfc1888 wrote: »

My brother wants to buy a 05-06 white beemer. I'm trying to put him off.

Put him off buying a white one anyway....