new "n plates "for learner drivers

jamescc

hi i just passed my test about two months ago
does this now mean that i will have to go and get "n plates" for my car or is it for anyone after it is brought in.

gavmcg92

jamescc wrote: »

hi i just passed my test about two months ago
does this now mean that i will have to go and get "n plates" for my car or is it for anyone after it is brought in.

Has it been brought in yet? I thought they were just talking about it.

Remmy

Just going by the article on independent.ie it is meant to come into effect next summer.

Maggie 2

They need to start policing L drivers properly before they start on this!

gavmcg92

Maggie 2 wrote: »

They need to start policing L drivers properly before they start on this!

Completely agree. Hope I get my test by next summer :P Don't want to be driving around with N plates for 2 years.

Faith+1

Another beauty from the RSA. Hopefully they'll make BMW drivers have "A" plates. I won't say what the it stands for though!:P

redsovine

If you read the full article here:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/n-for-novice-plate-in-new-learner-driver-laws-3264735.html

You will find this sentence which will make you happy:

"The new rules will only affect motorists who get a permit or pass their test after the legislation is signed into law."

Having recently passed myself - it came as a big relief

gavmcg92

redsovine wrote: »

If you read the full article here:

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/n-for-novice-plate-in-new-learner-driver-laws-3264735.html

You will find this sentence which will make you happy:

"The new rules will only affect motorists who get a permit or pass their test after the legislation is signed into law."

Having recently passed myself - it came as a big relief

When is it being signed into law?

Sir123

This is absolutely ridiculous. Never heard so much nonsense in my life. There are a lot of good Learner drivers and new fully licenced drivers that are better than half the idiot drivers on our roads. They should be the ones putting the N plates up... :mad:

Mycroft H

Sir123 wrote: »

This is absolutely ridiculous. Never heard so much nonsense in my life. There are a lot of good Learner drivers and new fully licenced drivers that are better than half the idiot drivers on our roads. They should be the ones putting the N plates up... :mad:

If they're so good they can go pass their test

areyawell

Sir123 wrote: »

This is absolutely ridiculous. Never heard so much nonsense in my life. There are a lot of good Learner drivers and new fully licenced drivers that are better than half the idiot drivers on our roads. They should be the ones putting the N plates up... :mad:

Very true. The majority of learner drivers are decent drivers. Its people with there full license who never bother to indicate or who don't know what lane to be in on a roundabout are the problem. Generally learner drivers don't speed because if they even get 2 penalty points there insurance will increase by 500 euro. People also bring up learner drivers account for 10% of accients on the roads, so this means 90% of full license drivers cause the other 90%.

Sir123

BX 19 wrote: »

If they're so good they can go pass their test

Exactly, but having to waiting six months isn't really fair is it? Then having to take 12 EDT lessons that previous drivers never had to do, not to mind the drivers that never had to sit a test. Then having to wait another 6-8 weeks for a test date. Sounds like the system is getting more unfair by the day.

areyawell

BX 19 wrote: »

If they're so good they can go pass their test

Yes they will pass there test eventually. 90% of accidents are caused by full license drivers and half the full license dont bother indicating going around a roundabout or know when to use there mirrors correctly, correct lanes etc. Its quite sickening and most of the full license drivers should be made retake the test again

Sir123

areyawell wrote: »

Very true. The majority of learner drivers are decent drivers. Its people with there full license who never bother to indicate or who don't know what lane to be in on a roundabout are the problem. Generally learner drivers don't speed because if they even get 2 penalty points there insurance will increase by 500 euro. People also bring up learner drivers account for 10% of accients on the roads, so this means 90% of full license drivers cause the other 90%.

Couldn't agree with you more.:D Yet learners are seen as the ones that cause all the accidents. Mind boggling.

uck51js9zml2yt

As far as I can see its to deal with their inexperience which is a good thing.

They've had R plates in NI for years.

Mycroft H

Sir123 wrote: »

Exactly, but having to waiting six months isn't really fair is it? Then having to take 12 EDT lessons that previous drivers never had to do, not to mind the drivers that never had to sit a test. Then having to wait another 6-8 weeks for a test date. Sounds like the system is getting more unfair by the day.

Sounds fair to me. Easier than most countries.

areyawell

BX 19 wrote: »

Sounds fair to me. Easier than most countries.

Not really, too much for learner drivers to do and sometimes its urgent what they need the car for. And the idiots I encounter on the road everyday who have there full are terrible as I stated allready in the thread who refuse to get in the right line, use there mirriors and never indicate on roundabouts. Its diabolical really!

3 months maybe but definitly not six months. I drove on my provisional for nearly a year and got stopped a couple of times. Gaurds dont care unless you do something wrong

Tigger08

Strictly driving could nearly be a tv show!!!

Mycroft H

areyawell wrote: »

Not really, too much for learner drivers to do and sometimes its urgent what they need the car for. And the idiots I encounter on the road everyday who have there full are terrible as I stated allready in the thread who refuse to get in the right line, use there mirriors and never indicate on roundabouts. Its diabolical really!

3 months maybe but definitly not six months. I drove on my provisional for nearly a year and got stopped a couple of times. Gaurds dont care unless you do something wrong

Perhaps you could learn to drive in 3 months but most people aren't ready by then. The limit is there for a reason. I could have done with a car when I was on a provisional, I just had to wait like the rest of us.

Not all learners are saints too.

areyawell

BX 19 wrote: »

Perhaps you could learn to drive in 3 months but most people aren't ready by then. The limit is there for a reason. I could have done with a car when I was on a provisional, I just had to wait like the rest of us.

Not all learners are saints too.

Yes I know all of them arn't saints. But full license drivers are definitely not saints either.

Full license drivers should be made take the test again every 10 years in my opinion.

Mycroft H

areyawell wrote: »

Yes I know all of them arn't saints. But full license drivers are definitely not saints either.

Full license drivers should be made take the test again every 10 years in my opinion.

I would fully support a "CPD" like theory and a refresher test every ten years.

Iwannahurl

areyawell wrote: »

Very true. The majority of learner drivers are decent drivers. Its people with there full license who never bother to indicate or who don't know what lane to be in on a roundabout are the problem. Generally learner drivers don't speed because if they even get 2 penalty points there insurance will increase by 500 euro. People also bring up learner drivers account for 10% of accients on the roads, so this means 90% of full license drivers cause the other 90%.

It depends on what you define as "the problem".

Young, male, inexperienced drivers are at the highest risk in terms of fatal crashes. This is a consistent phenomenon across many developed countries.

Novice drivers, particularly those who are males aged 17-24, may believe they are good drivers, and in many cases they may be right, but an organisation like the RSA has to look at the big population-level picture.

Young male drivers are about five times more likely to be killed on the road than the 'average' driver.

Merch

areyawell wrote: »

Yes they will pass there test eventually. 90% of accidents are caused by full license drivers and half the full license dont bother indicating going around a roundabout or know when to use there mirrors correctly, correct lanes etc. Its quite sickening and most of the full license drivers should be made retake the test again

The problem is, you have to start somewhere with changing how things are done.
Also, Im not sure where you are getting these statistics? nolt everyone will pass their test eventually and how do you know these 90% of people you mention are fully licensed at all, maybe they dont have a license, maybe they are on learner permits?
I have a bit of bee in my bonnet about indicating too, but this is a step to improving things and it has to start somewhere.
Adequete enforcement of the new N system and of existing road users would be necessary, but there is ony so much money to do this, dont think the money is out there anyway, but would you be willing to pay extra for such a thing?

Im sure when you get your licence you will be saying its sickening you are made to re sit the test after you were forced to have N plates for two years!

Faith+1

BX 19 wrote: »

I would fully support a "CPD" like theory and a refresher test every ten years.

Jesus no! I already have to do them for my truck licence and the thought of doing them for the car will send me over the edge!:eek::mad:

areyawell

Merch wrote: »

The problem is, you have to start somewhere with changing how things are done.
Also, Im not sure where you are getting these statistics? nolt everyone will pass their test eventually and how do you know these 90% of people you mention are fully licensed at all, maybe they dont have a license, maybe they are on learner permits?
I have a bit of bee in my bonnet about indicating too, but this is a step to improving things and it has to start somewhere.
Adequete enforcement of the new N system and of existing road users would be necessary, but there is ony so much money to do this, dont think the money is out there anyway, but would you be willing to pay extra for such a thing?

Im sure when you get your licence you will be saying its sickening you are made to re sit the test after you were forced to have N plates for two years!

I got my full after failing twice for the stupidest of things. Said I never looked right at a junction in a housing estate even though I did(just didnt move my head 180 degrees) and cant remember now the other one.

Yes young male drivers are the main cause of accidents on the roads but most of these young male drivers have there full license or else they wouldnt be able to afford 4000 euro insurance on there turbo powered cars. This is a different situation to learner drivers altogether. 10% of crashes are caused by learner drivers which is nearlt equal to the percentage of learner drivers on the road. People give out that learner drivers are the main cause of accidents and dont know how to drive and this really irratates me

kudos73

Its regulation for the sake of regulation if you ask me.

What difference does it make to other drivers If a person is a 'novice' or not? Will this make fully licensed non 'novice' drivers try and avoid 'novice' drivers to the detriment of road safety awareness...

to the people it actually matters to, the Gardai, have all the details in their Pulse database already, and in my mind if your pulled over by the Gardai usually they've pulled you over for some Road Traffic Offence.

areyawell

kudos73 wrote: »

Its regulation for the sake of regulation if you ask me.

What difference does it make to other drivers If a person is a 'novice' or not? Will this make fully licensed non 'novice' drivers try and avoid 'novice' drivers to the detriment of road safety awareness...

to the people it actually matters to, the Gardai, have all the details in their Pulse database already, and in my mind if your pulled over by the Gardai usually they've pulled you over for some Road Traffic Offence.

Its just the stereotype of people looking at learner drivers with L plates up. Its hard to explain but amount of people who pulled out in front of me when I had my L plates up was unbelievable and had to slam on my brakes more times. I took down my L plates after three months and they didnt chance it half as much.

Merch

areyawell wrote: »

I got my full after failing twice for the stupidest of things. Said I never looked right at a junction in a housing estate even though I did(just didnt move my head 180 degrees) and cant remember now the other one.

Yes young male drivers are the main cause of accidents on the roads but most of these young male drivers have there full license or else they wouldnt be able to afford 4000 euro insurance on there turbo powered cars. This is a different situation to learner drivers altogether. 10% of crashes are caused by learner drivers which is nearlt equal to the percentage of learner drivers on the road. People give out that learner drivers are the main cause of accidents and dont know how to drive and this really irratates me

I'm not sure where you got these Statistics? care to back them up?
Either way, statistics can be read and interpreted how they are meant to seem, how many crashes were fatal? how many serious? As a percent 10% of road crashes caused by your post suggests learners are creating a hell of a lot of accidents, 10% too much, I can see that there will be accidents involving learners, but thats a hell of a lot and that gives enough reason to implement something.

kudos73 wrote: »

Its regulation for the sake of regulation if you ask me.

What difference does it make to other drivers If a person is a 'novice' or not? Will this make fully licensed non 'novice' drivers try and avoid 'novice' drivers to the detriment of road safety awareness...

to the people it actually matters to, the Gardai, have all the details in their Pulse database already, and in my mind if your pulled over by the Gardai usually they've pulled you over for some Road Traffic Offence.

Its an easy, cheap means of identifying a person that has recently passed their test, if there are limitations on that licence holder and they are driving at a time they shouldnt be or breaching some other form of restricition, then there is no problems with training/access to the database, they will be identified themselves.
I for one dont want to have to re sit my test, i think there are people that could do with it, but then whats done? that admits that the test isnt a viable means to prove someone is safe to drive, id be afraid it would end up being a xash exercise to extract a few euros from us.

its in operation in Northern ireland, Australia? and Canada also have some form of limited licence for a number of years.

Merch

areyawell wrote: »

Its just the stereotype of people looking at learner drivers with L plates up. Its hard to explain but amount of people who pulled out in front of me when I had my L plates up was unbelievable and had to slam on my brakes more times. I took down my L plates after three months and they didnt chance it half as much.

You sound like a self entitled driver with limited experience, ie its everyone elses fault. If you were having to slam on your brakes all the time, you were not anticipating in advance, sounds like a lack of experience to me.

areyawell

Merch wrote: »

You sound like a self entitled driver with limited experience, ie its everyone elses fault. If you were having to slam on your brakes all the time, you were not anticipating in advance, sounds like a lack of experience to me.

Yes with cars pulling out in front of me, they see the L plates and think Oh well it'll be grand. Stopped when I took down the L plates and drove without them for 9 months. Happened numerous times on roundabouts when I had right of way and other times

kudos73

If one passes a test, one passes a test... why do they need to be identified from rest of car driving population? They have passed the standard that is set out in the RSA's 'manual' and don't need to be segregated.... RSA claim its so those newly qualified drivers are restricted to lower drink driving limits etc, but the only way to check if they are over the limit is to be stopped and checked by An Gardai, who will have all the information they need anyway without the 'N' on the window.

one could argue, they are 'safer drivers' because they have taken a minimum 12 driving lessons fairly recently, compared to someone who has been driving for 10 or so years.

Its like passing the leaving cert and only to wear a visivest for 2 years to let everyone know you passed it within the previous 2 years.

its a handy way for the insurance industry to keep inflated prices though, that's for sure!