Front Door

Diggerdunne

Looking for some advise....
Am in the process of pricing for a new front door. The one we have is old and made of aluminium by the looks of it. Its not air tight and can be cold in the winter. Am looking for advise on what people think are better... Wood or PVC doors in relation to security/Heat retention etc? I was told by one company that Wooden doors will warp over time and PVC will fade. They obviously wanted me to get there GRP composite door...
So any feedback would be great or peoples experience....
If anyone has good or bad recommendations if they could PM me them either

Cheers....

martinn123

Diggerdunne wrote: »

Looking for some advise....
Am in the process of pricing for a new front door. The one we have is old and made of aluminium by the looks of it. Its not air tight and can be cold in the winter. Am looking for advise on what people think are better... Wood or PVC doors in relation to security/Heat retention etc? I was told by one company that Wooden doors will warp over time and PVC will fade. They obviously wanted me to get there GRP composite door...
So any feedback would be great or peoples experience....
If anyone has good or bad recommendations if they could PM me them either

Cheers....

Well a salesman will usually rubbish products other that his own, thats how it works.
So the basics,
Wood, is a natural product and will absorbe water, if not protected, and can warp,
Hardwood is obviously better that a softer wood, because of the above, but its more expensive.
All timber products require treatment, wood preservative, water repellant etc, are you happy to do that Annually.

Upvc, should not fade, some recycled PVC will, so be careful that the panels on the door are not made from recycled PVC.
No Maintenance, well fitted will be draft free, etc

Now the daddy, Composite doors, much better locks, security etc, heavier door, well fitted draft free etc, but the most expensive product

So match your budget to the info above, and good luck.

Diggerdunne

thanx for that feedback...
So he was not talkin bull to me when he said that composite doors are better than pvc and wooden doors...
I would prefer to get whats best as am only goin to replace the door once so would like to do it with the Daddy of doors as you put it...

Cheers...

martinn123

Diggerdunne wrote: »

thanx for that feedback...
So he was not talkin bull to me when he said that composite doors are better than pvc and wooden doors...
I would prefer to get whats best as am only goin to replace the door once so would like to do it with the Daddy of doors as you put it...

Cheers...

OK, so if you decide to get a Composite door, one obvious tip

there are TWO main suppliers of doors to the Irish market,

Apeer,
http://www.apeer.co.uk/

and New World.
http://www.nwd.uk.com/
So your fitter will be buying the door from one of these, there are a few others, but the quality is not as good.

So you need a Co who has fitted these doors lots of times, has refrences, from satisfied customers, and jobs fitted they can show you.

The doors will be the same, if you get similar quotes, the only difference will be the quality of the fitting, and a badly fitted Composite door is a nightmare.

Expect to pay over 2 grand.

Diggerdunne

yeah well i was budgeting about 2K for it...
You seem to know your stuff about these doors...
If i send ya a Pm about a company i am looking at can you let me know if you have heard about them....

Cheers...

daver123

i have a munster joinery hardwood door and it is solid and airtight, i took 3 people to lift the door it was that heavy i would have no problem recommending the door to anyone

Villaines

martinn123 wrote: »

OK, so if you decide to get a Composite door, one obvious tip

there are TWO main suppliers of doors to the Irish market,

Apeer,
http://www.apeer.co.uk/

and New World.
http://www.nwd.uk.com/
So your fitter will be buying the door from one of these, there are a few others, but the quality is not as good.

So you need a Co who has fitted these doors lots of times, has refrences, from satisfied customers, and jobs fitted they can show you.

The doors will be the same, if you get similar quotes, the only difference will be the quality of the fitting, and a badly fitted Composite door is a nightmare.

Expect to pay over 2 grand.

Apeer is made by nwd. There is another big crowd down south though. Profile developments they're called. Palladio.

I bought an apeer. It warps in sun, internal gasket poor, no spags on lock just hooks. I think the frame was poorly fitted, didn't seal perfectly, but I think lack of spags added to this.

Check locks and seals.

paddy147

martinn123 wrote: »

OK, so if you decide to get a Composite door, one obvious tip

there are TWO main suppliers of doors to the Irish market,

Apeer,
http://www.apeer.co.uk/

and New World.
http://www.nwd.uk.com/
So your fitter will be buying the door from one of these, there are a few others, but the quality is not as good.

So you need a Co who has fitted these doors lots of times, has refrences, from satisfied customers, and jobs fitted they can show you.

The doors will be the same, if you get similar quotes, the only difference will be the quality of the fitting, and a badly fitted Composite door is a nightmare.

Expect to pay over 2 grand.

3 suppliers actually.

Profile Developments,in Glin,County LImerick.

They made my composite door and bespoke windows or me.



http://www.profiledevelopments.com/


http://www.profiledevelopments.com/contact/

Diggerdunne

and has anyone have good or bad experience with these suppliers????
Or does one have to go thru an agent for them????


Cheers...

paddy147

Diggerdunne wrote: »

and has anyone have good or bad experience with these suppliers????
Or does one have to go thru an agent for them????


Cheers...

Profile Developments couldnt have been any more helpfull to me.

Very happy indeed.:)


I posted pics of the door and bespoke windows and tripple glazed stained glass before.

Stained glass was hand laid by a friend of mine that does designer stained glass.

Diggerdunne

Did you get a front door from them?
If so was it a composite front door?
Did they fit also or did you source that yourself?

paddy147

Diggerdunne wrote: »

Did you get a front door from them?
If so was it a composite front door?
Did they fit also or did you source that yourself?

Propper georgian 6 panel composite door and bespoke windows.

Supplied by them,and fitted by a builder mate of mine.

paddy147

U-Value of 0.23.

sanwawa

Usually I lurk on here to get the answers I want...but this doesnt seem to have been covered yet. There is a new company online...allirelanddoors

They claim to offer composite doors, high security etc. It looks really legitaimate. As I'm pricing doors, I got a call from a company in Lucan yesterday. They gave me a price of 2,300 for the kind of door I'm after. I told the woman on the phone about this internet company, she was shocked, and said ''there's no way they can be real composite doors'', and ''they must be 40mm doors.''
Palladio doors etc are 70mm doors.
After researching allirelanddoors again, they are 44mm doors. But aside from that, they seem like they have good security and are made of proper composite. I didn't mention yet that they're 725 incl VAT for the cheapest door, and 850 for them to fit it.

The way I see it, even if it is 26mm thinner, it's probably safer than the swollen old crock of an old wooden door & yale lock that I have now? Does it make any sense to splash out 2,300 on a ''real door'' ? It probably looks like a real composite door anyway which will deter all the ''burglars'' who break in through the front door, as opposed to smashing a window or trying to get through the back door.

Sorry for rambling!! I appreciate any thoughts from people in the know!

paddy147

sanwawa wrote: »

Usually I lurk on here to get the answers I want...but this doesnt seem to have been covered yet. There is a new company online...allirelanddoors

They claim to offer composite doors, high security etc. It looks really legitaimate. As I'm pricing doors, I got a call from a company in Lucan yesterday. They gave me a price of 2,300 for the kind of door I'm after. I told the woman on the phone about this internet company, she was shocked, and said ''there's no way they can be real composite doors'', and ''they must be 40mm doors.''
Palladio doors etc are 70mm doors.
After researching allirelanddoors again, they are 44mm doors. But aside from that, they seem like they have good security and are made of proper composite. I didn't mention yet that they're 725 incl VAT for the cheapest door, and 850 for them to fit it.

The way I see it, even if it is 26mm thinner, it's probably safer than the swollen old crock of an old wooden door & yale lock that I have now? Does it make any sense to splash out 2,300 on a ''real door'' ? It probably looks like a real composite door anyway which will deter all the ''burglars'' who break in through the front door, as opposed to smashing a window or trying to get through the back door.

Sorry for rambling!! I appreciate any thoughts from people in the know!

2300 for a palladio door is a bit of a ripp off in this day and age.

You will get a coloured Palladio Palermo Composite Door fitted with TG23 glass for around 1200-1300 euro these day..thats supply and fit.

sanwawa

Thanks Paddy, 2,300 is definetly a rip off. Plus, thats the bottom line. I'm only looking for a single, solid door, with a small diamond shaped piece of glass in the top half.

So, where is it that I can find doors at that price? I'd be much obliged

paddy147

sanwawa wrote: »

Thanks Paddy, 2,300 is definetly a rip off. Plus, thats the bottom line. I'm only looking for a single, solid door, with a small diamond shaped piece of glass in the top half.

So, where is it that I can find doors at that price? I'd be much obliged

I will PM you 3 different numbers and companies.

Give me a litte while,as I have to dig out my little black book.:)

sanwawa

paddy147 wrote: »

I will PM you 3 different numbers and companies.

Give me a litte while,as I have to dig out my little black book.:)

Cheers Paddy, that'd be great! Take your time, won't be contacting them till tomorrow anyway

paddy147

sanwawa wrote: »

Cheers Paddy, that'd be great! Take your time, won't be contacting them till tomorrow anyway

Found the black book.

PM Sent.:)

sanwawa

paddy147 wrote: »

Found the black book.

PM Sent.:)

recieved with many thanks

DavyD_83

Hi Paddy,
Would you mind PM'ing on those contact details?
I'm in the market for a front door too; have been putting it off due to cost so far, but going to have to bite the bullet eventually.
Thanks!
DD

Ritchi

paddy147 wrote: »

Found the black book.

PM Sent.:)

I'd appreciate a PM too if you don't mind.

FreshStart

paddy147 wrote: »

I will PM you 3 different numbers and companies.

Give me a litte while,as I have to dig out my little black book.:)

could you give me the number too. I am desperate to replace front door. Have a security risk now.

eskin

Paddy
Is this the supplier you are referring to ?

http://www.profiledevelopments.com/?id=1

I am looking at gettig one of thes doors to install it inside an external sliding door on the front porch - not sure if I would need this quality of door from a security point of view, given that it will be inside a double glazed sliding door.

Fat Joe

Hi Paddy,

Would you mind PMing me on the these contact details also?

Thanks.

paddy147

eskin wrote: »

Paddy
Is this the supplier you are referring to ?

http://www.profiledevelopments.com/?id=1

I am looking at gettig one of thes doors to install it inside an external sliding door on the front porch - not sure if I would need this quality of door from a security point of view, given that it will be inside a double glazed sliding door.

Sorry...I was a 1 month eh......"holiday".;):pac::o


Yes,thats the company who made my door....(Georgian 6 panel black composite)

paddy147

Fat Joe wrote: »

Hi Paddy,

Would you mind PMing me on the these contact details also?

Thanks.

PM sent.

Johny 8

Anybody ever use allirelandwindowsanddoors.ie???

whowantstwoknow

Hi Paddy

Would you mind PMing me on the these contact details also?

Also got the name of EcoGlaze as a supplier over on AAM. Anybody know how they would compare?

We are thinking about upgrading our wooden front door (with single glass panes either side) to provide better insulation, as the CH is controlled by a stat in the hallway. I would be right in thinking such an upgrade would provide better heat control etc...Now whether it would ever pay back for itself is another debate!! :rolleyes:

Thanks
W.

paddy147

The amount of PMs Im getting over this Paladio composite door......

What the hell have I started here????:eek::pac:

FreshFish

Hi paddy147 i would like to get that numbers too, please...

i would also like to get some advise from you guys if you know any company that will do customized side panel for the front door. I know that grady joinery will do their own designs but they dont have palladio door.

is it maybe possible to get frame designed in from one and door from the other??

paddy147

FreshFish wrote: »

Hi paddy147 i would like to get that numbers too, please...

i would also like to get some advise from you guys if you know any company that will do customized side panel for the front door. I know that grady joinery will do their own designs but they dont have palladio door.

is it maybe possible to get frame designed in from one and door from the other??

A glazier friend of mine specializes in making bespoke hand laid stained glass panes and making bespoke windows for new builds and existing houses.

He custom made some lovely tripple glased side/front windows for my house.

I got to watch him hand cutting and laying/soldering the glass panes together and then making the frames up too.

Serious bit of skill do do it.Very steady hand needed aswell.:eek::D

FreshFish

paddy147 wrote: »

A glazier friend of mine specializes in making bespoke hand laid stained glass panes and making bespoke windows for new builds and existing houses.

He custom made some lovely tripple glased side/front windows for my house.

I got to watch him hand cutting and laying/soldering the glass panes together and then making the frames up too.

Serious bit of skill do do it.Very steady hand needed aswell.:eek::D

I will appreciate contact to your friend and to people that have installed your front door.

Is your fiend based around Dublin??

ALS

Would you mind PM'ing on those contact details?

spudulike

paddy147 wrote: »

Found the black book.

PM Sent.:)

Hi Paddy147, would you mind PM'ing me the numbers also?

Thanks.

rick.james

hi has anyone any experience of using allirelanddoors ?http://www.allirelanddoors.ie/

or munster joinery recently ?looking into options for a newbuild . heard a lot of bad stories about munster joinery in the past but more positive ones recently

Berniguille

Hi, I am also trying to get a new front door and have had problems with different companies telling me different things wit regard to cost, etc. I have decided to get a composite door, but my problem is this, some companies are telling me Palladio are the best, with others telling me Apeer. Can anyone tell me which is best, or if there is a difference?
Also, I am trying to decide between two companies; composite door systems, or mcmahon and nagle windows and doors.
Any opinions on these guys? Has anyone dealt with either?
Feedback would be great!!

CBYR1983

Berniguille wrote: »

Hi, I am also trying to get a new front door and have had problems with different companies telling me different things wit regard to cost, etc. I have decided to get a composite door, but my problem is this, some companies are telling me Palladio are the best, with others telling me Apeer. Can anyone tell me which is best, or if there is a difference?
Also, I am trying to decide between two companies; composite door systems, or mcmahon and nagle windows and doors.
Any opinions on these guys? Has anyone dealt with either?
Feedback would be great!!

Apeer is made in the North. That should be reason enough to buy palladio.

Berniguille

CBYR1983 wrote: »

Apeer is made in the North. That should be reason enough to buy palladio.

What do you mean??

sharkman

Sorry to dig up this old thread , but Paddy,
Would you mind PM'ing on those contact details ?
I'm in the market for a front door and am getting some crazy quotes

muffler

sharkman wrote: »

Sorry to dig up this old thread , but Paddy,
Would you mind PM'ing on those contact details ?
I'm in the market for a front door and am getting some crazy quotes

Paddy aint around any more

Michael Weston

sharkman wrote: »

Sorry to dig up this old thread , but Paddy,
Would you mind PM'ing on those contact details ?
I'm in the market for a front door and am getting some crazy quotes

I recently bought a new composite door, it cost me two thousand installed and I was a bit reluctant to part with that type of cash for a door. Two months on and I think it's the best money I've spent, the weight of the door the appearance and locking system are all great I'm delighted with it

sharkman

muffler wrote: »

Paddy aint around any more

Just noticed that Muffler !!:o
Anyone else want to share the info ??

Flippyfloppy

sharkman wrote: »

Just noticed that Muffler !!:o
Anyone else want to share the info ??

I'd love some info too. Would go with allirelanddoors but they don't have a proper showroom and there's just too much info and stuff on their website to make sense of, you don't really know what you're getting.

Then other places are quoting me 2000 for a single door

Fingers Mcginty

Looking for info too. I'm looking for a door and 2 side lights.

Redtin

Villaines wrote: »

Apeer is made by nwd. There is another big crowd down south though. Profile developments they're called. Palladio.

I bought an apeer. It warps in sun, internal gasket poor, no spags on lock just hooks. I think the frame was poorly fitted, didn't seal perfectly, but I think lack of spags added to this.

Check locks and seals.

Hi, I know it's a few years old, but I've just seen your post now. I'm looking to replace my very draughty old back door. I live in a very exposed area so need a heavy, well-sealed door. I've more or less decided on a composite door. I've been researching, and I was under the impression that Apeer seemed to be the best on the market. However, your post has given me cause for concern. Yours was the first bad review of Apeer I've seen. Do you know if they've improved since you bought yours? Were your problems partly due to bad fitting? What company did you use to buy/fit them?
Any advice would be very welcome. It's a big outlay for a back door, so I'm trying to avoid any future problems!
Thanks.