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CSO report on public-private pay gap

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    Just came accross this now to put it in prespective the prime Minster of Spain earns a little over 100K i believe puts it in perspective



    Carlow
    County manager (Tom Barry): €132,511
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Vet inspector: €94,392
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €81,232
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,103,986

    Cavan
    County manager (Jack Keyes): €132,511
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    5 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €995,696

    Clare
    County manager (Tom Coughlan): €142,469
    Chief veterinary inspector: €93,436 to €109,927
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    2 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,025,383

    Cork City
    City manager (Tim Lucey): €153,260
    Assistant city manager: €90,453 to €106,900
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 heads of function: €90,453 to €106,900
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,115,360

    Cork County
    County manager (Martin Riordan): €162,062
    3 divisional managers: €125,885
    Chief vet officer: €93,436 to €111,177
    10 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    1 county engineer: €81,077 to €98,379
    4 vet inspectors: €60,555 to €94,392
    19 senior professionals (engineer/architect/planner/solicitor/scientist): €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,185,394

    Donegal
    County manager (Seamus Neely): €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    4 senior engineers: €74,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,025,437

    Dublin City
    City manager (John Tierney): €189,301
    City engineer/director of traffic: €142,469
    Assistant city manager: €132,511
    Head of finance: €132,511
    Personnel officer: €132,511
    Executive manager: €90,453 to €106,900
    Dublin city librarian: €90,453 to €106,900
    Financial accountant: €90,453 to €106,900
    ICT manager: €90,453 to €106,900
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,263,803

    Dún Laoighre-Rathdown
    County manager (Owen Keegan): €153,260
    8 directors of services: €106,900
    County law agent: €95,540
    County architect: €95,540
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,104,000

    Fingal
    County manager (David O’Connor): €162,062
    6 directors of services: €106,900
    County architect: €95,540
    Law agent: €95,540
    5 senior engineers (five of them on the top point of the scale): €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior planners: €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,081,714

    Galway city
    City manager (Joe O’Neill, acting): €132,511
    3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance and ICT: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    2 management accountants: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €992,615

    Galway county

    County manager (Martina Moloney): €142,469
    5 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
    2 veterinary inspectors:€60,555 to €94,392
    Chief fire officer €76,884 to €91,472
    6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,044,342

    Kerry
    County manager (Tom Curran): €142,469
    6 directors of services: €106,900 (one not in place; seconded to Limerick Regeneration Agency)
    Law agent: €95,540
    Veterinary inspector: €94,392
    Head of finance: €90,453
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,064,254

    Kildare
    County manger (Michael Malone): €153,260
    6 directors of service: €86,408 to €106,900
    6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,056,011

    Kilkenny
    County manager (Joe Crockett): €142,469
    3 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,012,989

    Laois
    County manager (Peter Carey): €132,511
    2 director of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Financial management accountant: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €888,796

    Leitrim

    County manager (Jackie Maguire): €132,511
    4 director of services: €90,453 to €106,900 Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,022,754

    Limerick city
    City manager (Tom Mackey): €142,469
    4 directors of service: €98,677 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €81,886 to €87,117
    Senior executive officer: €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,006, 258

    Limerick county
    County manager (Gerry Behan, acting): €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,393
    5 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Regional waste co-ordinator: €73,223 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,052,496

    Longford
    County manager (Tim Caffrey): €132,511
    2 directors of services (plus one acting director of services): €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Senior resident engineer: €80,076
    2 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    4 senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    8 senior executive engineers: €62,276 to €78,501
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    2 resident engineers: €59,680 to €68,030
    Site technician: €48,147 to €52,363
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,066,529

    Louth
    County manager (Conn Murray) €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    11 in senior executive officer/financial management accountant/senior social worker/county librarian/head of IT posts: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,025,437

    Mayo
    County manager (Peter Hynes): €142,469
    County engineer: €90,453 to €106,900
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Project resident engineer: €88,698
    Vet inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,054,076

    Meath
    County Manager (Tom Dowling) €153,260
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 €106,900
    County Vet: €88,898 to €98,945
    Project resident engineer: €88,698
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    4 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,049,637

    Monaghan

    County manager (David Fallon): €132,511
    2 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Acting director of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    Senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €999,890

    North Tipp

    County manager (Joe MacGrath): €132,511
    3 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    4 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,002,971

    Offaly
    County manager (Pat Gallagher): €132,511
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €995,696

    Roscommon
    County manager (Frank Dawson): €132,511
    3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,002,971

    Sligo County
    County manager (Hubert Kearns): €136,509
    3 directors of services: €99,970 to €109,268
    Senior executive officer: €104,885
    Project engineer: €96,167
    2 senior engineers: €86,818 to €92,919
    Veterinary inspector: €91,336
    Chief librarian: €86,573
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,012,872

    Sligo Borough
    Acting director of services: €102,787
    Senior executive officer: €81,234
    4 senior executive engineers: €71,824 to €76,118
    Executive engineer and acting senior executive engineers: €64,373
    Executive engineer: €62,374
    3 administrative officers: €59,324 to €61,420
    * What the top 10 earn: €653,182

    South Dublin
    County manager (Philomena Poole, acting): €162,062
    8 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Project engineer (construction): €87,117
    County architect: €78,368 to €95,540
    Law agent: €78,368 to €95,540
    15 in senior engineer/senior architect/senior planner/parks superintendent/solicitor/health and safety adviser posts: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,104,379

    South Tipp
    County manager (Billy McEvoy): €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    4 veterinary inspectors: €60,555 to €94,393
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,054,541

    Waterford City Council
    City manager (Michael Walsh): €132,511
    3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Senior engineer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior architect: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    City librarian: €64,426 to €84,036
    Head of information systems: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €989,534

    Waterford County Council
    County manager (Denis McCarthy): €132,511
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    County librarian: €68,496
    4 senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €973,994

    Westmeath
    County manager (Danny McLoughlin) €142,469
    2 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    County librarian: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €990,065

    Wexford
    County manager (Eddie Breen): €142,469
    3 directors of services: €102,787 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €94,565
    County veterinary officer: €94,392
    2 senior engineers: €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €84,500
    Senior engineer: €84,500
    * What the top 10 earn: €991,247

    Wicklow
    County manager (Eddie Sheehy): €142,469
    6 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Law agent: €78,368 to €95,540
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,080,701


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 809 ✭✭✭frankosw


    Yes it is the largest however most of its members are in the state services I imagine.


    You imagine wrong.

    SIPTU is a private sector union.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    frankosw wrote: »
    You imagine wrong.

    SIPTU is a private sector union.

    Nurses, health service professionals. local authority workers , semi state workers etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Just came accross this now to put it in prespective the prime Minster of Spain earns a little over 100K i believe puts it in perspective

    Another gem out of you Pudsey; how does the Spanish PM's salary have any relevance for comparison with Irish local authority staff - unless the "perspective" you're seeking is of the "look, there's some apples & oranges!" variety...?!

    The only valid comparison is either what their equivalent (if any) in the Irish private sector earns, or what their equivalents in other countries' local authorities earn...

    By the way I'm not suggesting that the figures above aren't crazy money for some of those jobs, but you make your own argument look kinda silly when you make wild / childish / lazy comparisons (like where you harped on about people not understanding simple maths when you were the one struggling with the significance of the average - by the way you only addressed the first line of a lengthy post I made...).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭Head The Wall


    Yes maybe he should compare it with Enda Kenny, 92,000 vs 200,000. Obviously it's down to the cost of living


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭itzme


    Yes maybe he should compare it with Enda Kenny, 92,000 vs 200,000. Obviously it's down to the cost of living

    Well obviously our taoiseach should be paid 92k then, well that's that sorted.

    Hang on isn't the leader of Germany paid something different, maybe we should pay him that salary, but then there is Portugal and America and the UK and........

    There was quite a decent thread on this topic already not so long ago, one that got past the simplistic comparisons of absolute pay which are generally only brought up to forward a particular perspective. Similar to comparing "average" pay.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056639104


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Yes maybe he should compare it with Enda Kenny, 92,000 vs 200,000. Obviously it's down to the cost of living

    At least that's a valid comparison!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭cosbloodymick


    At least that's a valid comparison!


    Yeah, lets copy the Spanish! Oh hang on they are bankrupt also!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭cosbloodymick


    Just came accross this now to put it in prespective the prime Minster of Spain earns a little over 100K i believe puts it in perspective



    Carlow
    County manager (Tom Barry): €132,511
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Vet inspector: €94,392
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €81,232
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,103,986

    Cavan
    County manager (Jack Keyes): €132,511
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    5 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €995,696

    Clare
    County manager (Tom Coughlan): €142,469
    Chief veterinary inspector: €93,436 to €109,927
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    2 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,025,383

    Cork City
    City manager (Tim Lucey): €153,260
    Assistant city manager: €90,453 to €106,900
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 heads of function: €90,453 to €106,900
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,115,360

    Cork County
    County manager (Martin Riordan): €162,062
    3 divisional managers: €125,885
    Chief vet officer: €93,436 to €111,177
    10 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    1 county engineer: €81,077 to €98,379
    4 vet inspectors: €60,555 to €94,392
    19 senior professionals (engineer/architect/planner/solicitor/scientist): €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,185,394

    Donegal
    County manager (Seamus Neely): €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    4 senior engineers: €74,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,025,437

    Dublin City
    City manager (John Tierney): €189,301
    City engineer/director of traffic: €142,469
    Assistant city manager: €132,511
    Head of finance: €132,511
    Personnel officer: €132,511
    Executive manager: €90,453 to €106,900
    Dublin city librarian: €90,453 to €106,900
    Financial accountant: €90,453 to €106,900
    ICT manager: €90,453 to €106,900
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,263,803

    Dún Laoighre-Rathdown
    County manager (Owen Keegan): €153,260
    8 directors of services: €106,900
    County law agent: €95,540
    County architect: €95,540
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,104,000

    Fingal
    County manager (David O’Connor): €162,062
    6 directors of services: €106,900
    County architect: €95,540
    Law agent: €95,540
    5 senior engineers (five of them on the top point of the scale): €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior planners: €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,081,714

    Galway city
    City manager (Joe O’Neill, acting): €132,511
    3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance and ICT: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    2 management accountants: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €992,615

    Galway county
    County manager (Martina Moloney): €142,469
    5 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
    2 veterinary inspectors:€60,555 to €94,392
    Chief fire officer €76,884 to €91,472
    6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,044,342

    Kerry
    County manager (Tom Curran): €142,469
    6 directors of services: €106,900 (one not in place; seconded to Limerick Regeneration Agency)
    Law agent: €95,540
    Veterinary inspector: €94,392
    Head of finance: €90,453
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,064,254

    Kildare
    County manger (Michael Malone): €153,260
    6 directors of service: €86,408 to €106,900
    6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,056,011

    Kilkenny
    County manager (Joe Crockett): €142,469
    3 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,012,989

    Laois
    County manager (Peter Carey): €132,511
    2 director of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Financial management accountant: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €888,796

    Leitrim
    County manager (Jackie Maguire): €132,511
    4 director of services: €90,453 to €106,900 Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,022,754

    Limerick city
    City manager (Tom Mackey): €142,469
    4 directors of service: €98,677 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €81,886 to €87,117
    Senior executive officer: €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,006, 258

    Limerick county
    County manager (Gerry Behan, acting): €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,393
    5 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Regional waste co-ordinator: €73,223 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,052,496

    Longford
    County manager (Tim Caffrey): €132,511
    2 directors of services (plus one acting director of services): €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Senior resident engineer: €80,076
    2 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    4 senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    8 senior executive engineers: €62,276 to €78,501
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    2 resident engineers: €59,680 to €68,030
    Site technician: €48,147 to €52,363
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,066,529

    Louth
    County manager (Conn Murray) €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    6 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    11 in senior executive officer/financial management accountant/senior social worker/county librarian/head of IT posts: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,025,437

    Mayo
    County manager (Peter Hynes): €142,469
    County engineer: €90,453 to €106,900
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Project resident engineer: €88,698
    Vet inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,054,076

    Meath
    County Manager (Tom Dowling) €153,260
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 €106,900
    County Vet: €88,898 to €98,945
    Project resident engineer: €88,698
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    4 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,049,637

    Monaghan
    County manager (David Fallon): €132,511
    2 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Acting director of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    Senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €999,890

    North Tipp
    County manager (Joe MacGrath): €132,511
    3 directors of service: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    4 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,002,971

    Offaly
    County manager (Pat Gallagher): €132,511
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior planner: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €995,696

    Roscommon
    County manager (Frank Dawson): €132,511
    3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,002,971

    Sligo County
    County manager (Hubert Kearns): €136,509
    3 directors of services: €99,970 to €109,268
    Senior executive officer: €104,885
    Project engineer: €96,167
    2 senior engineers: €86,818 to €92,919
    Veterinary inspector: €91,336
    Chief librarian: €86,573
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,012,872

    Sligo Borough
    Acting director of services: €102,787
    Senior executive officer: €81,234
    4 senior executive engineers: €71,824 to €76,118
    Executive engineer and acting senior executive engineers: €64,373
    Executive engineer: €62,374
    3 administrative officers: €59,324 to €61,420
    * What the top 10 earn: €653,182

    South Dublin
    County manager (Philomena Poole, acting): €162,062
    8 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Project engineer (construction): €87,117
    County architect: €78,368 to €95,540
    Law agent: €78,368 to €95,540
    15 in senior engineer/senior architect/senior planner/parks superintendent/solicitor/health and safety adviser posts: €73,223 to €87,117
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,104,379

    South Tipp
    County manager (Billy McEvoy): €142,469
    5 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    4 veterinary inspectors: €60,555 to €94,393
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,054,541

    Waterford City Council
    City manager (Michael Walsh): €132,511
    3 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Senior engineer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Senior architect: €73,223 to €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    City librarian: €64,426 to €84,036
    Head of information systems: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €989,534

    Waterford County Council
    County manager (Denis McCarthy): €132,511
    4 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    County librarian: €68,496
    4 senior executive officer: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €973,994

    Westmeath
    County manager (Danny McLoughlin) €142,469
    2 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Veterinary officer: €60,555 to €94,392
    Chief fire officer: €73,223 to €87,117
    3 senior engineers: €73,223 to €87,117
    County librarian: €64,426 to €84,036
    * What the top 10 earn: €990,065

    Wexford
    County manager (Eddie Breen): €142,469
    3 directors of services: €102,787 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €94,565
    County veterinary officer: €94,392
    2 senior engineers: €87,117
    Chief fire officer: €84,500
    Senior engineer: €84,500
    * What the top 10 earn: €991,247

    Wicklow
    County manager (Eddie Sheehy): €142,469
    6 directors of services: €90,453 to €106,900
    Head of finance: €90,453 to €106,900
    Law agent: €78,368 to €95,540
    Veterinary inspector: €60,555 to €94,392
    * What the top 10 earn: €1,080,701

    Wow! those are ridiculous salaries. But lets keep on vilifying Nurses and Teachers, that should solve things!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    Wow! those are ridiculous salaries. But lets keep on vilifying Nurses and Teachers, that should solve things!!
    There are many many managers and managers of managers in charge of the Nurses and teachers who are also paid "ridiculous salaries" and pensions. There are countless retired public servants in Ireland who get more of a pension than the Spanish prime minister gets for working.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    As usual half baked comparisons without any real concern for substance.

    The Spanish Prime Minister lives here
    640px-Palacio_de_la_Moncloa.jpg

    If you have a house paid for, and probably meals etc provided, and perhaps allowances for suits etc, then the salary becomes pocket money.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 191 ✭✭cosbloodymick


    Japer wrote: »
    There are many many managers and managers of managers in charge of the Nurses and teachers who are also paid "ridiculous salaries" and pensions. There are countless retired public servants in Ireland who get more of a pension than the Spanish prime minister gets for working.

    So you're agreeing with me?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,326 ✭✭✭Farmer Pudsey


    ardmacha wrote: »
    As usual half baked comparisons without any real concern for substance.

    The Spanish Prime Minister lives here
    640px-Palacio_de_la_Moncloa.jpg

    If you have a house paid for, and probably meals etc provided, and perhaps allowances for suits etc, then the salary becomes pocket money.

    Did we not buy Farmleigh House or was it only as a kind hany place to welcome. Do all the Spanish minsters have fine houses as well and if not are they on higher salarys than the PM:rolleyes:

    Look lads it hard to defend the indefencible you might as well give up,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Did we not buy Farmleigh House or was it only as a kind hany place to welcome.

    As you well know Farmeligh house is not an official residence of the Taoiseach.
    Do all the Spanish minsters have fine houses as well and if not are they on higher salarys than the PM

    If you don't actually understand the structure of pay in Spain why not research this before ranting posting about it?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    So you're agreeing with me?
    I agree our public service is way overpaid and overpensioned, yes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    some examples related to this salary survey for Ireland 2012

    from local authorites Senior engineer: €73,223 to €87,117
    Salary survey Director Engineer up to €110,000+
    Manager Engineer up to €90,000

    Dublin City Head of Finance €132,511
    Salary survey Chief Financial Officer (15 + yrs’ exp) €120,000 to €150,000

    Now there may be other jobs where the PS seems a bit high, e.g. Dublin City Personnel officer is paid the same as the Finance guy, although HR salaries generally are as not as high as Finance.

    As always the story is mixed and nuanced, although you'd never think that reading here.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    ardmacha wrote: »
    some examples related to this salary survey for Ireland 2012

    does it show that 60% of architects are unemployed, and public sector architects get over double the average salary of private sector architects?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,059 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Japer wrote: »
    does it show that 60% of architects are unemployed, and public sector architects get over double the average salary of private sector architects?

    Would that not have something to do with the lack of building now. Didn't they cream it for years anyway when the poor Public Sector crowd were on a pittance compared to them. Swings and roundabouts.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    the poor Public Sector crowd were on a pittance
    the "poor public sector crowd" were never on a pittance, and certainly not during the celtic tiger years, when they were the highest known paid public servants in the whole world. That has not gone un-noticed by the IMF / germans who now refuse to write off any of our govt debt, when the Irish public servants sitting across the negotiating table are higher paid than they are.;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,059 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Japer wrote: »
    the "poor public sector crowd" were never on a pittance, and certainly not during the celtic tiger years, when they were the highest known paid public servants in the whole world. That has not gone un-noticed by the IMF / germans who now refuse to write off any of our govt debt, when the Irish public servants sitting across the negotiating table are higher paid than they are.;)

    Is it not the Banking debts?
    The banks were Private Sector.
    Thought you would know that, an educated man like you.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    Is it not the Banking debts?
    The banks were Private Sector.
    The banks were regulated ( or supposed to have been ) by the public sector. Had the regulator, central bank, dept of finance and government ( all public service, paid by the taxpayer ) done their jobs property, the country would not be in the mess its in. The bank debt was taken on by the public sector. The public sector did not take on the bad debts of other private sector firms which were badly run. The banks are now public sector you can say, having been largely nationalised.
    Thought you would know that, an educated man like you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,059 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Japer wrote: »
    The banks were regulated ( or supposed to have been ) by the public sector. Had the regulator, central bank, dept of finance and government ( all public service, paid by the taxpayer ) done their jobs property, the country would not be in the mess its in. The bank debt was taken on by the public sector. The public sector did not take on the bad debts of other private sector firms which were badly run. The banks are now public sector you can say, having been largely nationalised.
    Thought you would know that, an educated man like you.

    Too late. It was after the fact :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    Too late. It was after the fact :D
    what fact are you unclear about?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,219 ✭✭✭woodoo


    Japer wrote: »
    the "poor public sector crowd" were never on a pittance, and certainly not during the celtic tiger years, when they were the highest known paid public servants in the whole world.

    Any proof of that or i'd even settle for a tenuous link of sorts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54,059 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Japer wrote: »
    what fact are you unclear about?

    There you go. Have a read -

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0331/bank.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    There you go. Have a read -

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0331/bank.html[/QUOTE]

    that link confirms everything I said. Now, which fact are you unclear about?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    woodoo wrote: »
    Any proof of that or i'd even settle for a tenuous link of sorts.
    www.cso.ie


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    Japer wrote: »

    And your specific source for the assertion you made? I don't see anything jumping out at me to show our PS as the highest paid in the world - I'm afraid you can't get away with making a suggestion like that without any basis in fact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,476 ✭✭✭ardmacha


    Any proof of that or i'd even settle for a tenuous link of sorts.

    Why doesn't Jimmmy produce some specific evidence of this, that public servants were the highest in the world, not just well paid (as everyone knows that people in Ireland generally were pretty well paid and this is not the cause of debate). Then we can ask the kind moderators to link it in a sticky. Of course, if this data cannot be produced then perhaps people would be honest enough not to make statements to this effect.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 792 ✭✭✭Japer


    I don't see anything jumping out at me to show our PS as the highest paid in the world

    the"known" world, it was.
    There was a thread with that once. The CSO ( central statistics office ) confirms that our average public serice pay was €49.5k a year. No other average public sector pay in the world was found to come close. Average public sector pay in the UK at the time was only £21.5k - and many over there were complaining how high that was!
    Lots of other countries were looked at, nobody - not even the most feverish public servant - could find a country where average public sector pay was close to that in Ireland, never mind exceeded it.
    another thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=69669949


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