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1000lb women kills 2 year old

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    It's not true, she didn't kill him. Her sister did and she covered up because her sisters husband bad part of the cartel.

    Look up the documentary "40 stone babysitter"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Ok now that's sorted lets get onto the second point.

    How do you get that fat?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    You eat rubbish and don't exercise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,293 ✭✭✭1ZRed


    Poor thing must have been pulled in by her gravity :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    smash wrote: »
    It's not true, she didn't kill him. Her sister did and she covered up because her sisters husband bad part of the cartel.

    Look up the documentary "40 stone babysitter"

    She seems to have put on 34 more stone since you seen it:pac:

    74-stone Mayra Rosales stood trial for the murder of her two-year-old nephew after covering for her abusive sister


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    i ate rubbish and didnt exercise for most of my life, still got nowhere near that fat


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    ASOT wrote: »
    Eat all the fattiest food you can get your hands on and don't budge your arse from your bed / chair. Fúcking disgusting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    smash wrote: »
    It's not true, she didn't kill him. Her sister did and she covered up because her sisters husband bad part of the cartel.

    Look up the documentary "40 stone babysitter"


    Her sister was sentenced to 20 years in a mcdonalds federal restaurant,once in never out :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,699 ✭✭✭deathrider


    i ate rubbish and didnt exercise for most of my life, still got nowhere near that fat

    Not to worry. It's the taking part that counts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Apparently she could live off her fat stores and water for over 5 years...


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  • Posts: 14,344 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm a big enough bloke myself, but I don't think it's feasible for people to get to that kind of size without some kind of condition. I'm still relatively fit, can move about, run, jog, etc. and don't really struggle to make it through my daily tasks.

    I think that once your weight starts to have an effect on everyday movement, that's when most people realise there's a problem.

    I don't think anyone can get to a size where they're bed-bound, without having a physical issue/disease/deformity (whatever you want to call it) to begin with. I don't personally think it can happen solely from over-eating. I think there's a point where you just say enough is enough.

    Even though I'd generally go on a bit of a food binge for a while, for whatever reason, there's a point when you get fed up and just do something for the sake of it. And if someone has gotten that big solely from over eating, then I think you're dealing with more mental issues than physical ones by that stage.
    Abi wrote: »
    Fúcking disgusting.

    Like your extremely ignorant post? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,524 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    ASOT wrote: »
    Ok now that's sorted lets get onto the second point.

    How do you get that fat?
    The only way you can get that fat is by having a feeder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭Immaculate Pasta


    Come on guys she's not that fat.
    trololololololololololol


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Yeh obviously you'd need to be eating and sitting non stop when you're awake, but still, to get to that weight you'd have to have an additional condition too surely - I mean, it can't be normal to be even *able* to stomach that much food and continue eating. :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,256 ✭✭✭Ronin247


    Calling captain Ahab!!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 128 ✭✭Youssef Chippo


    I'd still do her


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,159 ✭✭✭✭phasers


    i ate rubbish and didnt exercise for most of my life, still got nowhere near that fat
    You obviously weren't trying hard enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,058 ✭✭✭✭Abi


    Like your extremely ignorant post?
    My bad... maybe it's just a bit of fúcking water retention :rolleyes:


    By your own admission you said you're a big lad, don't take what I said personally. If you're a healthy eating person and genuinely at least moderately active then you're not going to get big unless there is an underlying medical issue.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can't produce fat cells out of thin air. You need to have a ridiculous calorie surfeit over a very long period to get that fat. And at some point you should notice that you're too heavy way before you get to 74 stone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 469 ✭✭666irishguy


    How do you get that fat? Watch any TV documentary about these people, they are always treated with kid gloves and almost told it's not really their fault. It's always "bad genetics" or the "modern lifestyle" that is presented as being half as guilty as the fact they can't stop stuffing their faces. They are led to believe they are addicted and therefore they cannot help themselves. What she needs is to be physically denied food for her own good and then let her face up to the mess she has made of herself. Also in the states they have become accepted facts of life, with public areas catering to to their mass and in my opinion that sends the wrong message. They should be forced to look after themselves properly. If it was an alcoholic or a drug addict that was killing themselves slowly, people would have no problem dispensing tough love.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Ive never seen bad genes or modern life being blamed - just eating too much and no exercise. The obese person themselves might have such excuses but not the medics, counsellors, nutritionists etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    I'd still do her up a sambo

    Yeah I'd say she would really appreciate it too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    Abi wrote: »
    Eat all the fattiest food you can get your hands on and don't budge your arse from your bed / chair. Fúcking disgusting.
    It's like being a junkie - hard not to be appalled/bewildered by it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Interestingly enough, rough calculations suggest that in order to get so huge, she would only have to eat an extra 400 calories a day for 21 years. Difference probably being that it would require a concerted lack of movement and overeating. Most overweight people probably manage to only go overboard by a few hundred calories a week on balance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 413 ✭✭noxqs


    seamus wrote: »
    Interestingly enough, rough calculations suggest that in order to get so huge, she would only have to eat an extra 400 calories a day for 21 years. Difference probably being that it would require a concerted lack of movement and overeating. Most overweight people probably manage to only go overboard by a few hundred calories a week on balance.

    I calculated her base metabolic rate to be 6300 calories per day. Just sitting. She would have to have had vastly ramped up her eating over the years to match her increase in size and therefore BMR. She needs to eat the equivalent of 3 adults amount of food per day in order not to loose weight.

    People being generally unhealthy, ie eating 400 calories more per day, would eventually reach an equilibrium between weight gain and increase in BMR so they wouldn't get fatter than that point. Unless they increase their food intake which I suppose they do as they'd feel more hungry...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,231 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Come on guys she's not that fat.
    trololololololololololol

    Yes, she's got big bones.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Gordon wrote: »
    The only way you can get that fat is by having a feeder.

    That's it exactly. Sick of seeing shows about extremely heavily obese people who go on about "Woe is me," while someone is in the kitchen cooking up 5 burgers and a sack full of chips for them to have as a snack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,717 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    i ate rubbish and didnt exercise for most of my life, still got nowhere near that fat


    Could happen to anyone. Wake up in the morning and be like that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,184 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Boombastic wrote: »
    She seems to have put on 34 more stone since you seen it:pac:

    74-stone Mayra Rosales stood trial for the murder of her two-year-old nephew after covering for her abusive sister

    That image will haunt me


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    Reminds me of that manky documentary Feeders where wafer-thin men would bring gigantic amounts of food to these mountains of women.

    Even go as far as one of them video-taping their wife's last time they'll be able to stand up before he makes her even bigger.

    Then the underside of them is all hard and scaly and shìt....................bleurgh!


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    She looks SO uncomfortable :o her skin is stretched to it's max by the looks of it..

    Imagine the pain of all that chaffing :eek:

    Christ


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭RoyalMarine


    I see the comments for sorrow for the death of a 2 year old baby are everywhere in this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,000 ✭✭✭mitosis


    xzanti wrote: »
    She looks SO uncomfortable :o her skin is stretched to it's max by the looks of it..

    Imagine the pain of all that chaffing :eek:

    Christ

    I'd say you'd have to move to chafe.

    She could feed an entire sub-Saharan family for a month.

    I don't buy the "Underlying medical condition" crap. Unless you can define sedentary lifestyle of gluttony as a medical condition. Why is it genuinely poor people from the third world never have these medical conditions?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    I see the comments for sorrow for the death of a 2 year old baby are everywhere in this thread.

    It's a very old story and as mentioned earlier by Smash, she lied to cover up for her sister doing it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,537 ✭✭✭KKkitty


    I saw the documentary and her boyfriend gave her bed baths. Her folds of skin were red raw. It's awful what her sister did to her.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Emeraldy Pebbles


    seamus wrote: »
    Interestingly enough, rough calculations suggest that in order to get so huge, she would only have to eat an extra 400 calories a day for 21 years. Difference probably being that it would require a concerted lack of movement and overeating. Most overweight people probably manage to only go overboard by a few hundred calories a week on balance.
    noxqs wrote: »
    I calculated her base metabolic rate to be 6300 calories per day. Just sitting. She would have to have had vastly ramped up her eating over the years to match her increase in size and therefore BMR. She needs to eat the equivalent of 3 adults amount of food per day in order not to loose weight.

    People being generally unhealthy, ie eating 400 calories more per day, would eventually reach an equilibrium between weight gain and increase in BMR so they wouldn't get fatter than that point. Unless they increase their food intake which I suppose they do as they'd feel more hungry...

    Agree with the latter. The bigger you are, the more calories you need a day to maintain that weight.

    There was a time in my life when I was overweight, not by a huge amount. I was 11.5 stone at 5 foot 3 inches. I was definitely eating in excess of 400 calories over what I should every day. By the theory in the first quoted posted, I would have kept gaining weight. But I stopped at 11.5 stone. Clearly what I was eating daily was the maintenance calories needed to maintain that particular weight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 87 ✭✭elleelle19


    I don't remember the exact details but didn't she have some kind of medical condition. Just remember they brought her to the hospital and put her on some medication and she lost stones and stones in fluid. There was fluid leaking out of her skin all over the place, it was horrible.

    I'm sure a lot of it was down to over eating, but not all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Well, the physical reason is over-eating, as has been pointed out numerous times in more or less rational terms in this thread.

    But I think that you don't do this sort of harm to yourself unless there is a mental condition. And, as has been said, a feeder, a facilitator. Someone to encourage her to eat, and to provide the food.

    How that mental condition developped I cannot say, and I'm not going to speculate. But I would hesitate to lay all the blame on her feet. If people are depressed and start cutting themselves, people don't give out about how disgusting they are and how they have no self-control. Yet if people develop a dependency to the wrong person and get fat in the process, it's all their fault for lack of discipline.
    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,084 ✭✭✭✭Kirby


    Abi wrote: »
    Eat all the fattiest food you can get your hands on and don't budge your arse from your bed / chair. Fúcking disgusting.

    :rolleyes:

    http://blog.theloosie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tumblr_l8k40dWG6U1qbhtrto1_500.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Agree with the latter. The bigger you are, the more calories you need a day to maintain that weight.

    There was a time in my life when I was overweight, not by a huge amount. I was 11.5 stone at 5 foot 3 inches. I was definitely eating in excess of 400 calories over what I should every day. By the theory in the first quoted posted, I would have kept gaining weight. But I stopped at 11.5 stone. Clearly what I was eating daily was the maintenance calories needed to maintain that particular weight.
    Actually our posts don't disagree with eachother but as correctly noted, her food intake would need to keep increasing in order to maintain that 400kcal excess over the period.

    Overeating is a progressive thing for many people - eating larger amounts of food causes the stomach to expand, allowing more food to be eaten. But I imagine for most people who don't stop when they realise they're huge, some kind of financial or logistical limit is hit which prevents them from going out of control and becoming 74 stone. There is only so much time in the day to buy and prepare food.

    As someone else pointed out in this thread, in every case of supermegahyper obesity, there is always a feeder enabling this weight gain. This most likely removes any financial or logistical barriers that the person has.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Emeraldy Pebbles


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually our posts don't disagree with eachother but as correctly noted, her food intake would need to keep increasing in order to maintain that 400kcal excess over the period.

    Well, you said that if someone ate 400 extra calories every day, that could add up to her weight, but it wouldn't, nowhere near it, it'd reach equilibrium long before that size. The only think that would change is a slight increase in weight with age, as age lowers the basal metabolic rate (not significantly though). She would have to be eating 1000s of excess calories to maintain her current weight.

    Now, the increased appetite thing, yes. You can condition yourself to be able to eat larger and larger amounts. Then weight would start to increase as you'd start to eat more than those maintenance calories, and indeed maintenance calories would become an ever upwards-moving figure. But if you ate a set excess amount every day and it was the more modest figure you mentioned, you wouldn't get anywhere even approaching her weight, or even half or a quarter of it. You'd be overweight for sure, not morbidly obese.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Excess = Calories above your BMR :)
    If you ate a fixed total calories per day, yes eventually you'll reach equilibrium. But if you ate a fixed excess over your BMR every day, your total calories eaten would increase and you would continue to increase in weight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭GASMANN


    xzanti wrote: »
    She looks SO uncomfortable :o her skin is stretched to it's max by the looks of it..

    Imagine the pain of all that chaffing :eek:

    Christ

    I can't see a clear path to the toilet bowl for the 1's + 2's either


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 2,159 Mod ✭✭✭✭Oink


    i ate rubbish and didnt exercise for most of my life, still got nowhere near that fat

    I can't help noticing how the "salad" didn't come with your "Chicken Caesar", Sir Digby. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,327 ✭✭✭Madam_X


    mitosis wrote: »
    I'd say you'd have to move to chafe.

    She could feed an entire sub-Saharan family for a month.

    I don't buy the "Underlying medical condition" crap. Unless you can define sedentary lifestyle of gluttony as a medical condition. Why is it genuinely poor people from the third world never have these medical conditions?
    Well I don't think anyone's suggesting she doesn't eat/sit/lie down too much, but just speculating that she has a condition also - one that causes extremely slow metabolism perhaps. Because it doesn't seem possible for most people to eat that much food daily without at least getting sick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Emeraldy Pebbles


    seamus wrote: »
    Excess = Calories above your BMR :)
    If you ate a fixed total calories per day, yes eventually you'll reach equilibrium. But if you ate a fixed excess over your BMR every day, your total calories eaten would increase and you would continue to increase in weight.

    Yes, then those fixed excess calories would cause you to hit equilibrium at a higher weight. If you continue eating the same fixed amount of calories after that point, you'll just maintain at that higher weight. BMR increases with increased weight. So weight gain will eventually cease if you're hitting your BMR + activity needs with that fixed excess. If you increase your intake past those fixed excess calories, you'll gain weight. Until you hit equilibrium again. And so on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    mitosis wrote: »
    ............ Why is it genuinely poor people from the third world never have these medical conditions?

    :eek:Have you never seen the bellies on some of them?


    I joke, I joke:pac:


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Yes, then those fixed excess calories would cause you to hit equilibrium at a higher weight. If you continue eating the same fixed amount of calories after that point, you'll just maintain at that higher weight. BMR increases with increased weight. So weight gain will eventually cease if you're hitting your BMR + activity needs with that fixed excess. If you increase your intake past those fixed excess calories, you'll gain weight. Until you hit equilibrium again. And so on.

    What you are saying is,

    2000 +400 = 2400 and constantly eating that overtime means your body adjusts to needing it to maintain.

    Seamus is saying

    2000 +400 = 2400

    then going onto

    2400 + 400 = 2800

    then

    2800 + 400 = 3200

    the persons BMR keeps adjusting, but the person keeps increasing on top of that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 787 ✭✭✭Emeraldy Pebbles


    What you are saying is,

    2000 +400 = 2400 and constantly eating that overtime means your body adjusts to needing it to maintain.

    Seamus is saying

    2000 +400 = 2400

    then going onto

    2400 + 400 = 2800

    then

    2800 + 400 = 3200

    the persons BMR keeps adjusting, but the person keeps increasing on top of that.

    This is what he initially said:
    seamus wrote: »
    Interestingly enough, rough calculations suggest that in order to get so huge, she would only have to eat an extra 400 calories a day for 21 years.

    He doesn't say an extra 400 calories on top of the amount eaten the day before every day, he said an extra 400 calories a day. If he meant 400 more every day than the day before then that was very unclear way of phrasing it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Further on he expanded it and explained a bit more what he meant.


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