Waterford gives a shirt.

wellboytoo

Meeting tonight in the mansion house at 6.30pm to try and get a lobby group together to lobby for Waterford re the potential down grading of the City , University staus etc. This is non political organisation , see http://www.facebook.com/WaterfordGivesAShirt?ref=stream
For further details

Sully

Moved to Events Guide

Only kidding.

CardBordWindow

Will there be free shirts?

Max Powers

wellboytoo wrote: »

Meeting tonight in the mansion house at 6.30pm to try and get a lobby group together to lobby for Waterford re the potential down grading of the City , University staus etc. This is non political organisation , see http://www.facebook.com/WaterfordGivesAShirt?ref=stream
For further details

Fair play, will check it out

jennygirl

love the new web site & fb http://waterfordgivesashirt.com/
http://www.facebook.com/WaterfordGivesAShirt
“The Government has taken our jobs and given our money to the bankers. Now they want to rewrite 1100 years of history and take Waterford’s City status!!! Seeing as there’s nothing left to give… they may as well strip the shirts off our backs too!

A group of like minded people have come together with a tongue-in-cheek campaign to help highlight Waterford’s plight. We are asking the public to donate 50,000 shirts to the cause, one for every man, woman and child in the Waterford city area: a sort of petition with a difference.

Once we have collected all the shirts we will pull off a PR stunt and deliver a message to Leinster house letting them know that Waterford people have been stripped of their shirts.

We will then recycle the shirts and give the monies earned to a worthy local charity so it is a win win situation.

Please follow us on facebook and spread the word about us to your fellow Waterfordians.

If you want to donate a clean shirt to the cause please see the collection points link in the menu above.

We can make a difference together!

Sully

Merged with existing thread

longshanks

Everyone should do this. This could be a strong message to government, and should pick up national media coverage highlighting the ridiculous decisions being made regarding Waterford.

Great idea. I love it.

foxcoverteddy

Why restrict it to Waterford, we are from Kilkenny and would hate to see Waterford downgraded, put something on Kilkenny city Forum.
We do not have a government we have bunch of bandits, much the same as the previous mob who should have been tried for running the country into the ground.
Support Waterford City and give it proper university status.
Good luck

Sully

One of our local TDs released a statement on the merger last night. Paudie Coffey TD (Fine Gael, if you don't know ). People here may find it interesting seeing as it ties into the campaign.

Waterford City and County Councils

To clarify my position on this issue please read the following:-

I expect that there will be an announcement made within next week or so in respect of a radical overhaul of local government in Ireland. This will have an obvious impact on local government in Waterford and how it operates. There has been much talk in recent weeks of the possible implications for Waterford, and I have been asked what my position on the matter is.

I want to put on record the clear and strong representations that I have made directly to Minister Hogan and his officials in the Department of the Environment about any possible impact on Waterford as a result of this overall local government reform package.

There are currently 65 Councillors in Waterford, A City Council, A County Council, three Town Councils, five Mayors and five Deputy Mayors. This government before the last general election promised reform in local government and this is being delivered, but it must be done in a way that does not diminish a City like Waterford.

I hope the points I make below clarifies my position in this respect. I have been engaged with Minister Hogan (along with ther Waterford Public representatives) and his officials in a consistent dialogue and I am very confident that the Strong historical and cultural traditions of Waterford City and that the traditional office of Mayor will be preserved in any reform proposed for Waterford Local Authorities. This in fact was a clear term of reference for the independent working group requested to compile a report on an amalgamation in Waterford.

I wish also to point out the fact that Opposition parties and independents who have suddenly become excercised about this issue and are now opposing it had ample opportunity to bring Minister Hogan and his officials before the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Environment over the past few months to question them on their intentions regarding Local Government Reform with specific attention to Waterford.

This is an opportunity they never exploited or requested and therefore failed in what I believe is a neglect of their duties as public representatives in opposition -

Yours sincerely,

Paudie CoffeyTD



I wish to again reiterate my following viewpoints and my position on any possible amalgamation of Waterford Local Authorities:-

1. That Waterford’s historic City Status be protected in any amalgamation that may be proposed

2. That Waterford City’s Status as the Gateway City for the region not be diminished in any way, rather it should be enhanced to stimulate growth and development in the City and Region

3. That there be only one Mayor in any new configuration and that office should be based in the new administration’s HQ in Waterford City

4. That any reformed electoral areas have their own individual operational committees, consisting of elected representatives and senior council staff with the Chairman elected by the public representatives

5. That administration and services are retained in the existing council offices in Dungarvan to service Mid and West County Waterford.

6. Where reform might mean a reduced number of elected representatives I believe that the role and powers of the elected councillors should be enhanced in any new configuration.

Whilst I recognise the need for new efficiencies and public service delivery, I understand that cost savings and a more accountable, efficient local government system is required, with a more cohesive and co-ordinated voice for the Citizens of Waterford.

Paudie Coffey TD

foxcoverteddy

Thank you, it did enlighten me on what was taking place, however from a Kilkenny standpoint Minister Hogan is not held in high regard within the county, as you will be aware the foolhardy application of the household charge, whilst it is recognised we need to raise revenue, the fact that only one portion of the electorate is being forced to carry the burden.
The house owner who in most cases has struggled to provide shelter for his or her family is now paying for those who sat back and obtained council accomodation.
One of course presumes they will benefit from the local services, would they not, and where does the money come from for the renovation and running repairs of such property?
I wish the campaign all success and let's hope we can get local councillors who are not milkling the gravy train for all it is worth.

Sully

The campaign is fruitless IMO. Its focusing on issues that don't appear to be a reality in the pipeline. There are bigger political issues that are factual that we could address but instead we are bringing attention on an issue that was never on the pipeline. Its mostly about saving the City status.

LETS BE AVN IT

I haven't heard anything about Waterford City losing there City status , what are they on about ?

Sully

LETS BE AVN IT wrote: »

I haven't heard anything about Waterford City losing there City status , what are they on about ?

The legislation first sets out the cities of Ireland. It then goes onto set out the different type of councils they have. Its not fit for purpose for a merger and there is a fear that without a City Council we wont be a city.

My understanding and on checking with some legal eagles (though they are only just qualified) is that even without a City Council, Waterford is still a City because its defined on its own without a requirement.

What it would mean, I suspect, if the councils were merged and nothing new defined, and of course this could never happen, would be that we wouldn't have any type of council here as there is no definition in legislation as to the type of council a merger would be. I'm not sure how the existing Council Definitions could still stand for Waterford.

Legislation would need to be adjusted to cater for this. It would need to be defined as another type of a City Council in order for Waterford to be 'business as usual'.

The added fear is that Phil Hogan hates Wateford so much that he will leave out the City Powers in the new definition. Basically, everyone is scared Hogan will use this to screw Waterford (long outstanding fear because of his passion for the City next to us).

Finnbar01

I suggest that a few years back.

Lols.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=61295648

Jason Todd

LETS BE AVN IT wrote: »

I haven't heard anything about Waterford City losing there City status , what are they on about ?

Have you been living under a rock man?!

http://www.munster-express.ie/front-page-news/general-stories/no-more-‘urbs-intacta-manet’/

http://cllrmaryroche.blogspot.ie/2012/10/more-on-waterford-citycounty-proposed.html

http://www.waterford-news.ie/2012/10/10/waterford-gives-a-shirt/

In your defense, nothing concrete has been released that I can see, so it may just be rumours. Nonetheless, the 'shirt' campaign may give Waterford some national coverage that we need. Hopefully in a positive light obviously!

longshanks

Also, downgrading Waterford could play into the hands of that swine Hogan who would, no doubt, push to have Kilkenny town recognised as the Gateway to the South East region. Parochial, small minded, stroke politics seemingly being his m.o.

Cabaal

Merging city and county councils doesn't mean that the place doesn't have to be known as Waterford City, seems alot of people are just being paranoid

Professey Chin

Cabaal wrote: »

Merging city and county councils doesn't mean that the place doesn't have to be known as Waterford City, seems alot of people are just being paranoid

I'm more worried about the effect this will have on the city. The county council is running a massive deficit and city council isn't exactly flush. These 2 pots combined added with the infighting that is guaranteed to occur is going to be detrimental to services & maintenance around the city while only fractionally increasing the rest of the county. Nothing about this is in the cities interest

Cabaal

The Great Chinholio wrote: »

I'm more worried about the effect this will have on the city. The county council is running a massive deficit and city council isn't exactly flush. These 2 pots combined added with the infighting that is guaranteed to occur is going to be detrimental to services & maintenance around the city while only fractionally increasing the rest of the county. Nothing about this is in the cities interest

City is nothing without the county though,

Think of the amount of people that may work in the city but actually live in the county. Services are important in the county as well.

You can just think to hell with the county with its problems and just look after the city, its very short sighted.

wellboytoo

Waterford City at the moment has an enterprise board and the area partnership etc, with their own funding if we become a county municipality all these will be merged and the money will not follow, so we will lose out on that front, Galway is not being merged , why is that one wonders?, maybe the Mayo man next door does not want the west woken up?
This is a downgrading of Waterford City no doubt about it, it will lose its rate base and its ability to control its own destiny, we have been on here lauding the City council about how good they have been in recent years collecting the litter strewn all over our by roads on a daily basis, do you think this will continue if the control of this is on a county wide basis?
Wake up guys before it is too late.

bullpost

Whats needed is a massive protest on the streets , along the lines of the pensioners protest outside the dail a while ago. If enough people show on the street the politicians will always give in.

Cabaal

bullpost wrote: »

Whats needed is a massive protest on the streets , along the lines of the pensioners protest outside the dail a while ago. If enough people show on the street the politicians will always give in.

Good luck with that,
Unlike pensioners the average joe doesn't give a monkeys and lacks the time and the life experience to care all that much, I would have thought that was clear by now.

The sad fact is an awful lot of people actually don't care about stuff unless they see it affecting them directly straight away, the very fact people litter in the city they live in basically proves they don't give a crap about the place, how it looks, the money it takes to clean up their mess, how other people see the place etc...awful shame really.

LETS BE AVN IT

I understand it better now thanks . But does this mean there will be just a Waterford county forum if it happens and this one gone?

Dicky Pride

LETS BE AVN IT wrote: »

I understand it better now thanks . But does this mean there will be just a Waterford county forum if it happens and this one gone?

I tip my hat to you sir.

Hijpo

Any sources that link Phil pushing for an upgrade for kilkenny to full city status while trying to downgrade waterford?

thomasm

Hijpo wrote: »

Any sources that link Phil pushing for an upgrade for kilkenny to full city status while trying to downgrade waterford?

http://www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/D/0550/D.0550.200203200346.html

Here he asks for city status for Kilkenny.
Taken from gives a shirt Facebook page

bradknowell

so did anyone post a pic of themselves with the I gave my shirt for waterford on their facebook

Psychedelic

Sully wrote: »

Legislation would need to be adjusted to cater for this. It would need to be defined as another type of a City Council in order for Waterford to be 'business as usual'.

He could make the change to the legislation though, couldn't he?

Even if Waterford doesn't lose its city status (which I don't think will happen), the city not having its own council is a downgrading, but then, it's happening in Limerick too, but they are still in the middle of the merging process so we don't know how exactly this will play out.

Scrap the town councils in Waterford by all means, but I don't see why he wants to merge the city and county councils in Waterford and Limerick, but seemingly no other mergers are on the cards for anywhere else, and with Hogan's reputation it's no wonder people are being paranoid.

One other thing that gives reason for worry is that it appears Hogan has decided to merge the councils without any proper study done on the cost savings it's supposed to achieve.

The new council will be HQ'd in the city, it's impossible to think otherwise. I also think the city's mayoralty will be protected.

They need to publish that independent report so we can see what the committee had to say about it.

fuzzy dunlop

Cabaal wrote: »

City is nothing without the county though,

Think of the amount of people that may work in the city but actually live in the county. Services are important in the county as well.

You can just think to hell with the county with its problems and just look after the city, its very short sighted.

You have this the wrong way around.The county is nothing without the City.The Urban centres are the economic drivers and most of the county ( even without the city) lives closer to Waterford than Dungarvan. It's not about saying to hell with the county.It's about preserving the strengths of the city that the county also benefits from,from the corrupt and dubious planning practices of the county.

Hijpo

thomasm wrote: »

http://www.oireachtas-debates.gov.ie/D/0550/D.0550.200203200346.html

Here he asks for city status for Kilkenny.
Taken from gives a shirt Facebook page

cheers, i was looking for something a bit more recent. Hell probably wait until this merger goes through, if it goes through.

Max Powers

The Waterford gives a shirt thing is great, i will be dropping in my shirt today. The campaign/text on web page i feel should concentrate on lack of govt action on unemployment in Waterford, lack of govt investment etc. The merger thing is a bit of a lame duck now that Galway going too.

Cabaal

Max Powers wrote: »

The Waterford gives a shirt thing is great, i will be dropping in my shirt today. The campaign/text on web page i feel should concentrate on lack of govt action on unemployment in Waterford, lack of govt investment etc. The merger thing is a bit of a lame duck now that Galway going too.

I'd have to agree that unemployment is a far bigger issue with Waterford then merging of city and county councils,

But then if people want to protect the separate councils and don't want a campaign about lack of jobs leave them to it....just seems a waste of a campaign. :eek:

Sully

Max Powers wrote: »

The Waterford gives a shirt thing is great, i will be dropping in my shirt today. The campaign/text on web page i feel should concentrate on lack of govt action on unemployment in Waterford, lack of govt investment etc. The merger thing is a bit of a lame duck now that Galway going too.

They are claiming victory. Apparently the sudden pressure over the last few days so Phil add Galway into the equation.

Max Powers

Sully wrote: »

They are claiming victory. Apparently the sudden pressure over the last few days so Phil add Galway into the equation.

Who is claiming victory? If all the city/county councils were merged, it would be a victory for the tax payer yes. I for one sent e-mails and letters saying, as it stands its ridiculous, however, i included if it was done across the board to other regional cities it would be acceptable.

Anyway, back to the shirt campaign, get rid of all the merger stuff on the web site i reckon, concentrate on jobs (lack of), investment (lack of) accompanied with new taxes (plenty of) for Waterford and south east.

Dropped in my shirt today. Not many there, get the finger out lads, stick the posters up in club-houses, home, canteens, work places etc

zebra123

great idea!!

Cabaal

So its expected Carlow and kilkenny county councils are going to be merged,

Can the paranoid crowd who think it's all just about stealing just Waterford city status by merging councils please take off their tinfoil hats now?

Instead of starting a campaign just about the city thing and putting so much time and support into it, perhaps it should be a campaign about having the highest unemployment in Ireland and what needs to be done about it. Its great that people are starting a campaign and all that and local companys are supporting it but it seems somewhat misdirected,

It was never just about Waterford, it was about merging councils and saving money...this nonsense about looking for waterford to no longer be a city and kilkenny to replace it in the south east is frankly nothing more then paranoid nonsense.

wellboy76

Max Powers wrote: »

Who is claiming victory? If all the city/county councils were merged, it would be a victory for the tax payer yes. I for one sent e-mails and letters saying, as it stands its ridiculous, however, i included if it was done across the board to other regional cities it would be acceptable.

Anyway, back to the shirt campaign, get rid of all the merger stuff on the web site i reckon, concentrate on jobs (lack of), investment (lack of) accompanied with new taxes (plenty of) for Waterford and south east.

Dropped in my shirt today. Not many there, get the finger out lads, stick the posters up in club-houses, home, canteens, work places etc

There is a meeting on Monday night in the mansion about distributing the leaflets. Leaflets only printed on Friday (free of charge thanks to swift print).

7upfree

Cabaal wrote: »

So its expected Carlow and kilkenny county councils are going to be merged,

Can the paranoid crowd who think it's all just about stealing just Waterford city status by merging councils please take off their tinfoil hats now?

Instead of starting a campaign just about the city thing and putting so much time and support into it, perhaps it should be a campaign about having the highest unemployment in Ireland and what needs to be done about it. Its great that people are starting a campaign and all that and local companys are supporting it but it seems somewhat misdirected,

It was never just about Waterford, it was about merging councils and saving money...this nonsense about looking for waterford to no longer be a city and kilkenny to replace it in the south east is frankly nothing more then paranoid nonsense.

If you want to start saving money then merge ALL county and City Councils? Amazing the hostility towards the campaign by the FG hacks on here. And as for that "statement" from Coffey........:rolleyes:

Worth noting the amount of support that the campaign has too. We've been quiet for far too long. Getting nothing fro this Calamity Jane coalition and its defenders and supporters on this forum.

The real nonsense is where idiots put a political party before their city.

7upfree

fuzzy dunlop wrote: »

the corrupt and dubious planning practices of the county.

Nail. Head. Hit.

Sully

The Opposition: Refusing to accept other peoples opinions without calling them 'party hacks'!!!

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

The Opposition: Refusing to accept other peoples opinions without calling them 'party hacks'!!!

Especially when other people's "opinions" are merely a blind regurgitation of the party line - regardless of the effect on our City. Keep digging.

Sully

7upfree wrote: »

Especially when other people's "opinions" are merely a blind regurgitation of the party line - regardless of the effect on our City. Keep digging.

Its news to me that Cabaal is a FG supporter or campaigner. What you need to wake up to is that even Sinn Fein supporters might disagree with you and agree with a government stance. Effectively, non-FG TDs for Waterford are not in agreement with parts of the campaign which I and Cabaal (and others) have pointed out.

Unless these politicians are secretly FG tho. That would make for a lovely mind boggling post from you - so please, entertain me further and tell us all about the conspiracy. :pac:

A difference of opinion is a good thing but its a completely stupid thing to suggest if its not in agreement with you or any anti-government propaganda groups than it must be a party hack.

7upfree

Sully wrote: »

Its news to me that Cabaal is a FG supporter or campaigner. What you need to wake up to is that even Sinn Fein supporters might disagree with you and agree with a government stance. Effectively, non-FG TDs for Waterford are not in agreement with parts of the campaign which I and Cabaal (and others) have pointed out.

Unless these politicians are secretly FG tho. That would make for a lovely mind boggling post from you - so please, entertain me further and tell us all about the conspiracy. :pac:

A difference of opinion is a good thing but its a completely stupid thing to suggest if its not in agreement with you or any anti-government propaganda groups than it must be a party hack.

Sully, you have admitted that you support FG. On this forum. It is more that entertaining to see you twist and turn at every opportunity, whilst castigating others who actually care about the city - and not some gombeen political party. As I said.....keep digging!:p

foxcoverteddy

Apparently, according to a post on the Kilkenny Boards, our friend Hogan wants to make Kilkenny the capital of the south east, his aim is to, so it say's is to downgrade Waterford.
I am not in favour of Mr hogtan or his idea's and am of the opinion there should be a concerted effort to thwart any such move. I am sure the people of kilkenny do not support him, but as a word of caution do make sure you bring a passport when crossing into the new independent state.
Good luck Waterford

Sully

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Apparently, according to a post on the Kilkenny Boards, our friend Hogan wants to make Kilkenny the capital of the south east, his aim is to, so it say's is to downgrade Waterford.
I am not in favour of Mr hogtan or his idea's and am of the opinion there should be a concerted effort to thwart any such move. I am sure the people of kilkenny do not support him, but as a word of caution do make sure you bring a passport when crossing into the new independent state.
Good luck Waterford

Right, you expressed your POV in Kilkenny and now you want to push your agenda here. Can you link me to the post that stated that please?

foxcoverteddy

Not true Sully, supporting the people of Waterford,t'is unfortunate we are involved, but it does not hurt to let the people of Waterford know they are supported, in this issue and to obtain more jobs for the county.
For your info it does not involve me, it has no effect on me, just using the freedom of speech to support people who may appreciate help.
Have a nice evening and good-night

Sully

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Not true Sully, supporting the people of Waterford,t'is unfortunate we are involved, but it does not hurt to let the people of Waterford know they are supported, in this issue and to obtain more jobs for the county.
For your info it does not involve me, it has no effect on me, just using the freedom of speech to support people who may appreciate help.
Have a nice evening and good-night

Great stuff. So either you show me where that was said or your posts get removed because I think you are just trying to push an agenda and troll a bit because I cant recall seeing that post and its way of the mark.

Sully

Found the post. Its a theory by a new poster who just signed up today.

here

Lets keep the Kilkenny theory to the Kilkenny forum. The Waterford 'losing its city' is not based on fact, its a silly theory. We have already proven Minister Hogan doesn't have it in for Kilkenny so I suspect people will make up other nonsense.

foxcoverteddy

thank you Sully, presume all is forgiven.
However I am of the opinion that it might be an idea to call time, so I will say farewell my friend and thanks again

Cabaal

Sully wrote: »

Its news to me that Cabaal is a FG supporter or campaigner. What you need to wake up to is that even Sinn Fein supporters might disagree with you and agree with a government stance. Effectively, non-FG TDs for Waterford are not in agreement with parts of the campaign which I and Cabaal (and others) have pointed out..

Bloody news to me as well!?! :eek:

I've never voted FG in my life, like any party however I can sometimes see the logic in some ideas they have and I might agree with them however I can also see the issues with other ideas and I'll disagree with them....always very openly.

I'm certainly not any sort of campaigner for FG or for any party for that matter, to be honest I think people that are set campaigners for any party can sometimes be very foolish as they will stay the party line and won't even speak out when the party do something really idiotic.

...I'm nothing just applying this to FG or FF I apply this to every party and even every supporter of even independents....look at the idiots that think Mick Wallce has done no wrong when clearly legally he has. In addition to the idiots that think some how SF will be the super party that would do no wrong if they got into government, oh how foolish these people are