High earners

policarp

Should any person in a job or profession be paid more than twice the industrial wage?

littleredspot

Yes. Of course.

Sir Pompous Righteousness

policarp wrote: »

Should any person in a job or profession be paid more than twice the industrial wage?

Stupid thread is thread is stupid. Of course they should. If you own a business you should have the right to dictate your own wages and the wages of your own employees as long as they don't fall below the minimum hourly wage.

Do you want to live in some Marxist Utopia or something?

DEFTLEFTHAND

There has to be an incentive to achieve in life. You should never limit yourself to a certain job, wage etc, keep aiming up and up.

Lumbo

policarp wrote: »

Should any person in a job or profession be paid more than twice the industrial wage?

Enjoy Wall Street?

IM0

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

Stupid thread is thread is stupid. Of course they should. If you own a business you should have the right to dictate your own wages and the wages of your own employees as long as they are at or above the minimum wage.

Do you want to live in some Marxist Utopia or something?

well thats a poster/post combination win right there

partyatmygaff

Yes. It's a free market. Not all jobs are the same so their salaries shouldn't be the same either. Paying people the same for all jobs is ridiculous and would make for a depressing world. People should always be able to aspire to be better.

/Not a communist

policarp

littleredspot wrote: »

Yes. Of course.

Sir Pompous Righteousness wrote: »

Stupid thread is thread is stupid. Of course they should. If you own a business you should have the right to dictate your own wages and the wages of your own employees as long as they don't fall below the minimum hourly wage.

Do you want to live in some Marxist Utopia or something?

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

There has to be an incentive to achieve in life. You should never limit yourself to a certain job, wage etc, keep aiming up and up.

Lumbo wrote: »

Enjoy Wall Street?

IM0 wrote: »

well thats a poster/post combination win right there

Is'nt that what brought the banks down?

partyatmygaff

policarp wrote: »

Is'nt that what brought the banks down?

Paying different salaries for different jobs didn't "bring the banks down".

Kurz

If you were to tax everything past 80k at 100% the budget deficit wouldn't be slow in sorting itself out. Seems a much more noble way to do things rather than slashing and hacking at the poor/elderly/disabled.

hardCopy

Why should high achievers be dragged down by the lazy?

DaveNoCheese

I didnt read any of the original post! I demand all the money!!!

Sir Pompous Righteousness

policarp wrote: »

Is'nt that what brought the banks down?

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partyatmygaff

Kurz wrote: »

If you were to tax everything past 80k at 100% the budget deficit wouldn't be slow in sorting itself out. Seems a much more noble way to do things rather than slashing and hacking at the poor/elderly/disabled.

And watch all the high earners (Who actually contribute a fairly large cut of our tax revenue) emigrate from the country?

It's "noble" but a ridiculously terrible idea nonetheless.

littleredspot

policarp wrote: »

Is'nt that what brought the banks down?

No.

K-9

Kurz wrote: »

If you were to tax everything past 80k at 100% the budget deficit wouldn't be slow in sorting itself out. Seems a much more noble way to do things rather than slashing and hacking at the poor/elderly/disabled.

It would be very slow in sorting itself out as we get most of our Income Tax revenue from those earning above 80k anyway, we tax those at over 50% as is, more if in the Public Service. Most would leave.

We'd end up taxing the new wealthy more heavily, say 20k or above.

donvito99

Lunch is for wimps.

So to answer your thinly veiled question (what isn't these days) OP, no.

AlmightyCushion

Kurz wrote: »

If you were to tax everything past 80k at 100% the budget deficit wouldn't be slow in sorting itself out. Seems a much more noble way to do things rather than slashing and hacking at the poor/elderly/disabled.

Why would a company pay it's employees more than 80k, if that employee isn't going to see a penny of it? All those earning over 80k will just leave the country then.

Kurz

K-9 wrote: »

It would be very slow in sorting itself out as we get most of our Income Tax revenue from those earning above 80k anyway, we tax those at over 50% as is, more if in the Public Service. Most would leave.

We'd end up taxing the new wealthy more heavily, say 20k or above.

High-ups in the public service are just going to uproot and leave? These people probably have a lot invested here, family, property, debts. I think this taxing people onto planes thing is overplayed a bit. They've very high taxes in Sweden and we don't get an influx of Swedish businesses and public servants relocating here.

partyatmygaff

High tax is not 100% tax. 100% tax is pointless. No employee or employer is going to just hand over money to the government.

smash

Kurz wrote: »

High-ups in the public service are just going to uproot and leave? These people probably have a lot invested here, family, property, debts. I think this taxing people onto planes thing is overplayed a bit. They've very high taxes in Sweden and we don't get an influx of Swedish businesses and public servants relocating here.

Do you think high ups in the ps are the majority of people earning over 80k???

policarp

hardCopy wrote: »

Why should high achievers be dragged down by the lazy?

Not high achievers but lazy high earners.

K-9

Kurz wrote: »

High-ups in the public service are just going to uproot and leave? These people probably have a lot invested here, family, property, debts. I think this taxing people onto planes thing is overplayed a bit. They've very high taxes in Sweden and we don't get an influx of Swedish businesses and public servants relocating here.

Depends on the culture, Sweden and Germany its part of their culture, though Sweden have cut taxes too IIRC. We've just had 25 years of political parties engaging in who can cut taxes most. No point raising taxes now, though we are doing that through stealth taxes, the time was 10 years ago and stop cutting them!

Anyway the key for us is restricting tax reliefs, we did that a couple of years ago. No tax reliefs above 400k of income. More needs to be done in that area, not raising taxes, restricting reliefs is way more efficient and generates less attention.

A higher up in the PS is paying maybe 65% back to the public purse. The problem isn't what they are taxed, its what they're paid.

dlofnep

People have a right to earn a high wage. I'm a socialist, but a socialist in a practical sense - where we have a progressive tax system that is fair enough that it won't penalise people for bettering their life, but at the same time collects enough tax to ensure that people have healthcare, don't go homeless, have education, etc..

Kurz

smash wrote: »

Do you think high ups in the ps are the majority of people earning over 80k???

I didn't say that

Chuck Stone

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Yes. It's a free market.

No it's not. The free market is a myth. The cost of education is socialised and nothing more than universities ensure that there is a shortage of some 'expertises' than anything else.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Paying different salaries for different jobs didn't "bring the banks down".

Paying huge salaries for market speculation and manipulation most certainly played its part.

The lack of critical though in people is really quite depressing sometimes.

OP has a perfectly reasonable question as regards rates of pay.

Qualification =/= talent. How many **** teachers have we had who were well paid with great holidays and iron-clad pensions?

Did they deserve their money? Did they ****

Kurz

Chuck Stone wrote: »

No it's not. The free market is a myth. The cost of education is socialised and nothing more than universities ensure that there is a shortage of some 'expertises' than anything else.

Some "free market" we have in this country where we socialise failing banks. Milton Friedman would be turning in his grave if he thought what we have in Ireland is being called a free market economy.

policarp

dlofnep wrote: »

People have a right to earn a high wage. I'm a socialist, but a socialist in a practical sense - where we have a progressive tax system that is fair enough that it won't penalise people for bettering their life, but at the same time collects enough tax to ensure that people have healthcare, don't go homeless, have education, etc..

Why are High Earners earning more than twice the industrial wage, when the industrial wage here is more than that in most of the rest of Europe.?

fkt

Kurz wrote: »

If you were to tax everything past 80k at 100% the budget deficit wouldn't be slow in sorting itself out. Seems a much more noble way to do things rather than slashing and hacking at the poor/elderly/disabled.

Jesus.f-ucking.christ.kill.me.now.

Policarp should lose his right to vote after that these posts.. Honestly.

daddydick

It actually scares me how stupid people could be. Between the OP with his totally ridiculous hypothetical question and the Nobel prize for Economics candidate who thinks everybody above 80k being taxed at 100%. Stupid, stupid stupid. Just stupid.

Do you not think for a second that if that were the case every employer would cap salaries at €80k and you would lose a sh1tload of tax revenue?

It's worth a ban to point out how stupid a person this is. You should be banned from the internet.

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy

K-9 wrote: »

It would be very slow in sorting itself out as we get most of our Income Tax revenue from those earning above 80k anyway, we tax those at over 50% as is, more if in the Public Service. Most would leave.

We'd end up taxing the new wealthy more heavily, say 20k or above.

Most are leaving I have family members who are high earners. They feel that anything over 40% is unfair and also that they get nothing for their taxes whatso ever. So they are leaving and taking their wealth with them.

It is worth saying when this demographic leaves they usually take other high earners with them like family etc.

They would like me to follow ...but i would miss Ireland...but I might be better off.

Usually you are in a low tax economy with no srvices or a high tax economy with services..we have high taxes for nothing...and popl s it getting worse for th next 30 yrs...so they feel even if they are doing well they must leave

To the OP people should be ' allowed' ?...What gives the state the right to control peoples lives to that extent...

Most already feel the state is parasitic...and not all (or most even) wealthy in Ireland were not involved in banking..or property....

Chuck Stone

Kurz wrote: »

Some "free market" we have in this country where we socialise failing banks.

Oh for sure. Socializing the losses was little more than propping up a failed system.

Describing the system that we live in as a 'free market' is solid evidence of a fundamental lack of understanding of what a free market might look like.

It would be funny if it weren't so ****ing vile.

dlofnep

policarp wrote: »

Why are High Earners earning more than twice the industrial wage, when the industrial wage here is more than that in most of the rest of Europe.?

A multitude of reasons - one of which includes investing years of hard work in University. What right have you to dictate what the wages should be in the private sector?

policarp

daddydick wrote: »

It actually scares me how stupid people could be. Between the OP with his totally ridiculous hypothetical question and the Nobel prize for Economics candidate who thinks everybody above 80k being taxed at 100%. Stupid, stupid stupid. Just stupid.

Do you not think for a second that if that were the case every employer would cap salaries at €80k and you would lose a sh1tload of tax revenue?

It's worth a ban to point out how stupid a person this is. You should be banned from the internet.

OP would like to meet you for a pint sometime.
Then discuss who pays. . .

guppy

I don't have huge earning potential, but my husband does. If his earnings, after his huge amount of overtime and on-call, were to be for nothing, I would follow him to whatever country outside Ireland he chose to work to make his sacrifices worthwhile.

Chuck Stone

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

Most are leaving I have family members who are high earners.

If money is their principle motivation in life then I hope they don't work in healthcare, education or any other job where being a greedy cunt is their principle motivation.

If they do then good fucking riddance - they're part of the greedy ****ers alliance that trashed the economy rather those who want this country to thrive.

policarp

guppy wrote: »

I don't have huge earning potential, but my husband does. If his earnings, after his huge amount of overtime and on-call, were to be for nothing, I would follow him to whatever country outside Ireland he chose to work to make his sacrifices worthwhile.

Not to the point.
Does he deserve the money he's earning?

Kurz

guppy wrote: »

I don't have huge earning potential, but my husband does. If his earnings, after his huge amount of overtime and on-call, were to be for nothing, I would follow him to whatever country outside Ireland he chose to work to make his sacrifices worthwhile.

Is he irreplaceable?

Chuck Stone

Chuck Stone wrote: »

If money is their principle motivation in life then I hope they don't work in healthcare, education or any other job where being a greedy cunt is their principle motivation.

If they do then good fucking riddance - they're part of the greedy ****ers alliance that trashed the economy rather those who want this country to thrive.

People who want a good salary and work in education or healthcare trashed the economy?
What is this greedy fukers alliance?

Gbear

We really are a miserable shower of begrudging ****ers in this country.

policarp

dlofnep wrote: »

A multitude of reasons - one of which includes investing years of hard work in University. What right have you to dictate what the wages should be in the private sector?

I don't think I have dictated.
Just more or less asked why the likes of
the medical and legal professions are to
me overpaid. . .
A few years in college can get you a masters
but may not guarantee a hefty salary.
Original query.

Oranage2

We should get rid of money full stop and the world would be a better place!

policarp

Gbear wrote: »

We really are a miserable shower of begrudging ****ers in this country.

To me we have changed BIGTIME.
We pay the Pros. too much,
and the Skivvies too little. . .

Animal Farm.
Some animals are more equal than others. . .

Chuck Stone

Deleted User wrote: »

People who want a good salary and work in education or healthcare trashed the economy?
What is this greedy fukers alliance?

There's a difference between wanting a good salary and being a person motivated only by money.

It was greedy people thinking about how much they could gain in the short term who trashed the economy sure in the knowledge that their profligacy would be underwritten by the public if it went tits up.

Are the people responsible for the economic mess queueing in the dole office? Like fuck they are.

Son Of A Vidic

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Paying different salaries for different jobs didn't "bring the banks down".

Ya you're right, bankers brought the banks down. With their managerial incompetence and total ineptitude. Coupled with latent greed and a culture of rewarding failure. It's the only 'profession' that will give you a golden parachute and a juicy bonus for being a fúck up. Maybe if these fúckwits had disincentives in place to prevent such stupidity, we mightn't be in the hole we're in.

Chuck Stone

Chuck Stone wrote: »

There's a difference between wanting a good salary and being a person motivated only by money.

It was greedy people thinking about how much they could gain in the short term who trashed the economy sure in the knowledge that their profligacy would be underwritten by the public if it went tits up.

Are the people responsible for the economic mess queueing in the dole office? Like fuck they are.

Whatever about your feelings but you're expressing them like an angry 13 year old.. Learn to articulate your points instead of saying "anyone motivated by money is responsible for wrecking the economy".
It's an unbelievably retarded thing to say.. Up there with some of the worst I've ever seen on boards. Seriously, how does being motivated by money equate to being greedy? You have clearly no idea what the word greedy even means.

Chuck Stone

Deleted User wrote: »

Learn to articulate your points instead of saying "anyone motivated by money is responsible for wrecking the economy".

I'm not interested in your opinion of me tbh - couldn't give a ****.

Address my rebuttals or just shut up. That's how it works here last time I read the charter.

Chuck Stone

Chuck Stone wrote: »

I'm not interested in your opinion of me tbh - couldn't give a ****.

Address my rebuttals or just shut up. That's how it works here last time I read the charter.

As far as I know, I can attack the post, not the poster.. I did address your rebuttals by effectively saying that they're hysterical nonsense.

Scanlas The 2nd

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

Most are leaving I have family members who are high earners.

If money is their principle motivation in life then I hope they don't work in healthcare, education or any other job where being a greedy cunt is their principle motivation.

If they do then good fucking riddance - they're part of the greedy ****ers alliance that trashed the economy rather those who want this country to thrive.

Wow, such a moronic post. Wake up and see reality.

People can choose whatever motivation they want in life . Who are you to say being motivated by money is wrong. Get a grip.

Linoge

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Are the people responsible for the economic mess queueing in the dole office? Like fuck they are.

I guess those bastards are still slogging away in work paying massive amounts of tax to pay people on the dole. Assholes!

This thread doesn't lack basic economic understanding, it's lacks the most basic common sense. Embarrassing to read.