receeding hair

overthenest

i folks, my hair is receeding on top can anyone recommend what wuld be best for me to stop and or regain some of my hair? thanks:o

earlytobed

Lack of replies gives you your answer.
No Cure
Cant slow down the process.
Buy yourself a Razor and join the slap heads!!
embrace the Phil Mitchell look

666irishguy

Impossible to stop it I'm afraid. You could go down the road of expensive hair replacement procedures but it will never be the same as it was. There is some hope in the future I am reliably told though. They are researching some kind of hair cloning technology that might make it possible for fuller replacement procedures but that is a good way down the road. I would shave it off or get a nice blended shave from a barber and embrace the new look.

TerrorFirmer

earlytobed wrote: »

Lack of replies gives you your answer.
No Cure
Cant slow down the process.
Buy yourself a Razor and join the slap heads!!
embrace the Phil Mitchell look

That's not really true.

There is Propecia, which works for something like 80% of men and can be as effective as maintaining your hair exactly as it is when you start the course indefinitely, with potential regrowth, but be very careful with this as there are a lot of very serious potential side effects.

Then there's Minoxodil, which also works for a lot of men in maintaining a hairline for anything from a year to indefinitely, although it's nowhere near as universally successful as Propecia.

And there's other things which potentially help in tandem with either of the above, such as using Nizoral shampoo and taking Saw Palmetto, which works like a very weak version of Propecia.

Finally there is products like Toppik which are actually pretty good as disguising thinning hair and used with either Propecia/Minoxodil, can disguise thinning hair pretty well for a period even if those products don't halt the thinning.

overthenest

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

That's not really true.

There is Propecia, which works for something like 80% of men and can be as effective as maintaining your hair exactly as it is when you start the course indefinitely, with potential regrowth, but be very careful with this as there are a lot of very serious potential side effects.

Then there's Minoxodil, which also works for a lot of men in maintaining a hairline for anything from a year to indefinitely, although it's nowhere near as universally successful as Propecia.

And there's other things which potentially help in tandem with either of the above, such as using Nizoral shampoo and taking Saw Palmetto, which works like a very weak version of Propecia.

Finally there is products like Toppik which are actually pretty good as disguising thinning hair and used with either Propecia/Minoxodil, can disguise thinning hair pretty well for a period even if those products don't halt the thinning.

thanks for your reply, what about this bioxine thats been advertised on radio lately, is it any good? what about regain? cheers

TerrorFirmer

Not sure about that one, though I doubt it's much good to be honest. Visit any hair loss forum and they will always recommend Finasterade (also known as propecia in 1mg form, Finasterade is cheaper and is a 5mg tab you split yourself), or Minoxodil, Finasterade is much more effective and almost guaranteed to at least maintain your current hairline, whereas Minoxodil varies from person to person, and the overall success rate in maintenance is much lower, and a very low regrowth success rate. Minoxodil however is fairly safe to use, the only complaints I've ever heard are instances of things like increased hair loss, minor cosmetic reactions like enlarged pores, and so on - nothing life altering. Finasterade however, having the potential for extremely serious side effects. Now, many people use it, and have had zero side effects, but that potential is enough for me to avoid it - there are even a few horror stories on this forum about it.

http://www.andrewrynne.com/blog/2010/10/male-pattern-baldness-and-propecia/

Posted on October 17, 2010 by Dr. Andrew Rynne

"I want to shout this from the rooftops. However, I will shout it into cyberspace instead.

I want the ear of every young man on this planet who may be experiencing testosterone driven male pattern balding. Please listen to me. Do NOT under any circumstances even for one minute consider taking the testosterone-suppressing drug Proscar or Propecia or Finasteride to give it its chemical name for male pattern balding.

Here’s what the manufacturers Merck say on their Patient’s Product Information leaflet about Propecia: “In clinical studies for Propecia, a small number of men experienced certain sexual side effects, such as less desire for sex, difficulty in achieving an erection, decrease in the amount semen produced. Each of these side effects occurred in less than 2% of men and went away in men who stopped taking Propecia because of them.”

What jumps out at you here is that figure 2%. However, even if you accept this figure as true, and personally I do not accept it, but even if you do, to the uninitiated it might seem like a low figure. But for 2% of men on Proscar to experience serious side effects like erectile dysfunction, loss of libido and reduced volume of semen this is actually a very high and significant figure. Remember you are dealing here with a naturally occurring normal male phenomenon called ‘Male Pattern Baldness’. This is not an illness or a disease. This is a healthy normal occurrence. If in an attempt to “cure” it, you are getting a 2% rate of serious side effects, then that quite frankly is unacceptable.

But here is the real lie that Merck is giving you in its Patient’s Leaflet. Do you see that bit there about “went away in men who stopped taking Propecia – ” That is simply not true and Merck know full well that it is not true. They know it is not true because I and hundreds of other doctors and thousands of patients have told them that these side effects do not always go away when you stop taking Propecia. We continue to be ignored of course. Merck in a multi-billion multinational company.

In some cases men who have taken Proscar, even for a few months, have unwittingly condemned themselves to a lifetime of Sexual Anhedonia, the most horrible and cruel or all sexual dysfunctions. I have spoken to several young men in my clinic in Kildare who continue to suffer from sexual anaesthesia and for whom all sexual pleasure and feelings have been obliterated for all time. I have felt their suffering and shared their devastation.

If you would like to learn more about this subject then visit them on http://www.propeciahelp.com. Please spread the word around. Taking Propecia for balding can have utterly disastrous consequences. If you have suffered in any way as a consequence of having used Propecia or Proscar them please use the comment box below to share your story with us. We would love to hear from you."

At the end of the day you could take it, and the odds are very much that it wouldn't cause any side effects, but the potential is there and a lot of men have suffered severe and occasionally irreversibly from taking it. I'm giving Minoxodil a go, but if it doesn't work I'll just accept my hair the way it is!

Regaine is Minoxodil, but it's far cheaper to buy generic Minoxodil like Kirkland, which is half the price. It cost me 70 euro for six months supply, in the local pharmacy it's 40 euro for a single months course of Regaine, both are the exact same 5% solution. There's also Nizoral shampoo, and Saw Palmetto extract (the 85% standardized), both of which are reported to help - Saw Palmetto works similar to Finasterade as a DHT blocker, but is far less potent, and obviously safer provided you don't take too much - some people take up to 1500mg a day, but given there are no studies on the effect that could have, it's best to stick within the designated healthy range, which I think is about 500mg a day when you're considering long term use. 1500mg might be more effective as reported by a few people on various forums, but there's no point taking it to the extent that no-one is quite sure the effect it could have on your body in the long term.

overthenest

any views on regaine? thanks

Cargin

Reading all that's been posted here, I suddenly find myself willing to accept my thinning hair....

overthenest

no views on regain then? any idea what jimmy nesbit used? his looks good

leeomurchu

Don't waste 100's-1000's on fad solutions there's no cure for baldness just shave it off you'll be surprised by how many will tell you that you look better.

If you can afford it you can have surgery done and basically plant hair into your scalp it'll look like a well ploughed furrow though.

Man up and embrace it.

the_syco

When I noticed I was going bald I started to use Regain, but tbh, when I noticed I was going bald, it was already too late. In the end (and after spending a few months throwing money at some spray) I just shaved it off, and now shave my head with a Mach3 every couple of days.

It's down to personal preference, but when going bald I looked like I was 40 years older.

OP, try getting a "1" in the barber; it'll look better than a receding hairline.

bushihead

Mine is starting to go south too, which is a shame as I have always looked pretty youthful. One of my friends takes finasteride and he is fine, but I don't think it is worth it any more. Too many horror stories. While there is hope in the future, I think they have been saying these things since the dawn of time tbh. I don't think pharmaceutical companies would cure it even if they could. Think of how much money they would lose from not being able to force insecure men to keep taking their dodgy drugs. All drugs available now say you must keep taking them or the hair will start falling out again. They are also not half as well tested as other drugs. If a small company could do it to upset the order and get themselves on top then sure, but I think it is too hard for unestablished companies to do it

Staedtler

Just wondering why there isn't a forum entitled "Sagging tits and Menopausal flushing" - could it be that women are just a little bit cleverer than men? (or, to be fair, cleverer than men who contribute to this forum - ensuring its continued existence)

Or is self-deprecation purely a male pursuit?(there's a joke in there somewhere)

Dingle_berry

Mine was receding and thinning out. Then I met my current partner and was advised to switch shampoos. Worked surprisingly well for me, at my next haircut she commented on all the new hair growth. I swear my hairline actually ceded… or whatever the opposite of receded is! Now it's not back to what it was in my teens but I still have a full head of healthy hair and am tablet free!

The shampoos I used to use were anything. Anything on the selves in tesco etc, anything from lush, whatever was in the shower, even shower gel at times. I switched to shampoos free of SLSs (sodium laurl sulfate?) or anything similar. The sukin brand was the best but I've also used A'kin, Jasön, etc. all available in health stores (ESP the one beside McDonald's on grafton street).
I'd say its well worth trying it before you go down the road of tablets and side effects. Buy a bottle of Sukin shampoo, €10, use the bottle and see if it works.

Manc-Red

As a naturally beautiful man, I tend to not have to use any.





*grins*

ukonline

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What about a partial hair piece?

Only a few hundred Euro. Thinking of getting
one myself.

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TerrorFirmer

In that particular video, the guy looks infinitely younger with the hair, have to say it looks pretty good - there's a video from a later date as well, and he appears to have lost a lot of weight, probably spurred by on by his new hair. I'm one of those people who believe that although a shaved head can suit many men, and a select few look better with, the vast majority of men look far better with hair.

According to the link though they need to be replaced every few months, so it's a pricey enough option, but safe enough with guaranteed and excellent results...so worth a go I suppose, although it must be weird for people in your personal life to go from being bald to having a full head of hair overnight.

TerrorFirmer

Just to add guys, I've been on generic minoxodil the last 4 months (about 60E for six months), and while it hasn't been the miracle cure adverts imply, I have grown temple hair - not full hair, but they've filled in to the the extent it now looks like I'm thinning in the temples, whereas six months ago, the temples were gone....

evanmarko

i have hair loss as well, when i first noticed i was sooooo upset. after years of checking our this and that and after seeing friends with hair plugs... as some uses commented on this thread, solutions may be many but the final result wont be the same and sometimes may even be more noticeable (especially with plugs). I decided best to just go bald and somehow accept it.

i just accepted it. Keep your hair short and just hope it suits you. Sorry mate not everything in life is pleasant.

GEKKO135

TerrorFirmer, how often do you apply it? I've been using it for about 3 months but only apply it at night because it's just too oily for day time use.

Can't say I see any results yet but not receding much either.

Dirk Hardpeck

I'm a year on Finasteride, no adverse effects, hair looks great, which in turn makes me feel great. Used to buy off the internet, some legit places if you do your research, but I recently went to a walk in clinic, luckily enough they had a dermatologist working there, explained my story and he wrote me a script for a years worth Proscar (5mg Finasteride, cut one tablet into fourths).

DublinWriter

ukonline wrote: »

What about a partial hair piece?
Only a few hundred Euro.

Only?!?? What is this...2004?

As the late great Linda Smith once said, all girls care about in a man is a clean shirt and a nice smile.

You can try Saw Palmetto and keep your hair, but grow bewbs and loose your libido or go the Wayne Rooney route and still look like a potatoe, albeit a hairy one minus 50 grand.

It's all about attitude and confidence. Most of the wimmins I know would rather be with a 60 year old bald Sean Connery than a 40 year old hirsute Roger Moore.

CollardGreens

Amen on the nice smile! From this womans POV, hair on men IMO is way overrated. Way back when I was married my husband was just 25 losing his hair and I just happened to be a hairdresser at that time. I love his hair very short or shaved, it was that beautiful smile that stole my heart.

Save your money and put it on a beautiful set of teeth if you don't already have a good set in your mouth ~ nothing like a pearly smile to woo a womans heart!

smuckers

Mine's being receeding at the front for the past few years. I'm using Regain and Proscar (for last few months) and my shampoo is Nioxin and Alpecian Shampoo.
Its not going to regrowth hair at the front but it has helped it.
I was advised by my barber to vary my shampoo as you're hair becomes more fuller.
One thing I've stopped doing is putting gel in my hair after its damp as I like the spikey affect, but it made my hair look thinner,Brylecreem is crap by the way.
I let it dry now and put a bit of wax in, I don't have the spikey effect I had but one girl in work said my hair was much fuller looking.

boardie100

guys just a warning on proscar/finisteride...... new research has shown that taking it can lead to depression.... please look this up before going on it...

I took it for two/three years and have decided its not worth it anymore..... I've had a bad time over the last year with feeling depressed, i'm not saying the pills caused it but there is a high chance it contributed to it....

smuckers

Thanks for the tip Boardie, so far no symptoms whatsover.

Dirk Hardpeck

I find it baffling that no one ever complained about Proscar (for BPH) before or after Propecia came out, it seems to be people suffering from hairloss and self esteem issues caused by hairloss.

The drug has been on the market for 22 years, it's safe.

sungear

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

Regaine is Minoxodil, but it's far cheaper to buy generic Minoxodil like Kirkland, which is half the price. It cost me 70 euro for six months supply, in the local pharmacy it's 40 euro for a single months course of Regaine, both are the exact same 5% solution. There's also Nizoral shampoo, and Saw Palmetto extract (the 85% standardized), both of which are reported to help - Saw Palmetto works similar to Finasterade as a DHT blocker, but is far less potent, and obviously safer provided you don't take too much - some people take up to 1500mg a day.

Is minoxidil a tablet or a shampoo? is it a prescription item, I looked into this last year, saw the price of a rogaine shampoo on the shelf in boots and just thought, better give up as its too dear, but 60-70euro for a generic for 6 months sounds ok, if it even slows my hairloss then that would be good.
Do I need to see a doctor or get a letter for a dermatologist or can i just get this over the counter in a pharmacy??

Dingle_berry wrote: »

I switched to shampoos free of SLSs (sodium laurl sulfate?) or anything similar. The sukin brand was the best but I've also used A'kin, Jasön, etc. all available in health stores (ESP the one beside McDonald's on grafton street).
I'd say its well worth trying it before you go down the road of tablets and side effects. Buy a bottle of Sukin shampoo, €10, use the bottle and see if it works.

Are these available in any of the main stores or boots? just wondering if you know, I'll have to look as i never heard of them before now.

smuckers

Sukin has been discontinued from health matters on Grafton anywhere else you can get it?

funkey_monkey

Has anyone on here heard of Histogen. I think one of the people behind it is a woman called Dr Gail Naughton. It seems like an injection to rejuvenate the hair follicles. It is soon entering the Phase III trials before it is approved for use. Although I've heard that there is a cancer risk with it which they are trying t iron out.

I'd say it will not be approved without more stringent testing than finasteride got given the **** that the FDA is getting for it at present.

funkey_monkey

CollardGreens wrote: »

Save your money and put it on a beautiful set of teeth if you don't already have a good set in your mouth ~ nothing like a pearly smile to woo a womans heart!

Got an appt @34yo for braces!!!!

Scanlas The 2nd

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Has anyone on here heard of Histogen. I think one of the people behind it is a woman called Dr Gail Naughton. It seems like an injection to rejuvenate the hair follicles. It is soon entering the Phase III trials before it is approved for use. Although I've heard that there is a cancer risk with it which they are trying t iron out.

I'd say it will not be approved without more stringent testing than finasteride got given the **** that the FDA is getting for it at present.

I heard about this, though haven't heard any cancer risks. That's alarming.

funkey_monkey

I read about it on the bald truth. It was only mentioned in a few posts on a thread. I'd be confident that if it gets an FDA stamp there will have been more stringent testing than Finasteride got for hair loss. Bearing in mind hair loss is not an illnes as such they will be more careful this time about dishing out the approvals. I hope.

TerrorFirmer

sungear wrote: »

Is minoxidil a tablet or a shampoo? is it a prescription item, I looked into this last year, saw the price of a rogaine shampoo on the shelf in boots and just thought, better give up as its too dear, but 60-70euro for a generic for 6 months sounds ok, if it even slows my hairloss then that would be good.
Do I need to see a doctor or get a letter for a dermatologist or can i just get this over the counter in a pharmacy??


Are these available in any of the main stores or boots? just wondering if you know, I'll have to look as i never heard of them before now.

You can just buy it, but don't pay for it over the counter, it's ridiculously expensive. Just buy it online, like I said only 60 euro for six months worth.

I also take Saw palmetto which I've no idea if it works or not, and there's no evidence either way to say it definitely does or does not, but interestingly enough I went from taking 1,200mg a day (zero side effects of any kind by the way) to none for two months, and in that period my hairless definitely got worse. Not going to say it was definitely the SP as it could be just a coincidence and natural hairloss progression but I decided to start taking it again anyway.

Pondering Finasteride now too even though the potential sides scare me, as my hair is starting to enter the badly receding stage (crown's OK for now though thankfully).

You know what I really don't get, and I have to ask all the other guys experiencing hair loss - you know how people complain of finding hairs everywhere; the pillow, the sink, the shower, whatever. The weird part is that I don't find any hairs in any of those places. In fact when I pull my hair at the point of receding, I don't even get loose hairs. Where the hell is the hair going? It's like it's being stolen while I sleep. Just thought that was just a bit...odd.

Doc Ruby

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Got an appt @34yo for braces!!!!

Jesus I know a Filipina pushing 40 who has been wearing braces for the last ten years. It's quite the fashion statement in those quarters apparently.

In other news, I've a fine full head of black hair and a six pack, and far from being a youngster either. Doesn't matter a shite though, it's all about how you present yourself. Confidence is the biggest aphrodisiac, remember that.

EdRedbird

overthenest wrote: »

i folks, my hair is receeding on top can anyone recommend what wuld be best for me to stop and or regain some of my hair? thanks:o

They are called Tigh-Burns.....
Less friction might result in regain

shleedance

You could just accept it for what it is, especially if you're in your mid 30s onwards.

Women hate insecurity more than a receding hairline.

funkey_monkey

Does anyone who takes minoxidil experience excessive body hair?

BrianG23

Can anyone tell me..is Saw palmetto over the counter or prescription?

Jesper

I've seen Saw Palmetto in Holland and Barrett etc.

is it simply just buy the vitamin/tablet in the vitamin shop.

Icarian

I'm utterly amazed at the amount of misinformation in this thread! "There's nothing you can do" "shave it off". Lies google the big three:

Finasteride + Minoxidil + Nizoral

Using all three you stand a very good chance at keeping your hair and a good chance of regrowing some hair. Don't listen to people who tell you to just accept it, in all liklihood they never did their research and never tried.

James Nesbitt had a hair transplant btw, and in order to stop the hair around the transplant from falling out, he,like everyone who has a transplant, uses finasteride to prevent any further hair loss.

Side effects are rare, and it works for most guys, for some reason there's just an incredible number of men who don't know any better, and tell other men to just accept it, there's nothing they can do. Wrong.

TerrorFirmer

I'm on finasteride, no side effects whatsoever.

GEKKO135

I took Finasteride and experienced side effects after two weeks - less frequent erections and a decreased libido. I stopped immediately and went through a very scary endocrine crash as a result; extreme pain and swelling in my genitals and no libido. Thankfully, I got better after about two weeks, and thankfully I didn't continue using it. It's a big risk when you decide to mess with your hormones and, in my opinion, the notion that only 2% of people experience sides is nonsense.

Icarian

I've been on finasteride for 2 and a half months and have no side effects at all. The only thing that is happening is (after a scary, but expected month long shed) my thin spots are thickening up so you can't see my scalp anymore. Finasteride doesn't effect testosterone levels at all, it only prevents/reduces conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone.

funkey_monkey

GEKKO135 wrote: »

I took Finasteride and experienced side effects after two weeks - less frequent erections and a decreased libido. I stopped immediately and went through a very scary endocrine crash as a result; extreme pain and swelling in my genitals and no libido. Thankfully, I got better after about two weeks, and thankfully I didn't continue using it. It's a big risk when you decide to mess with your hormones and, in my opinion, the notion that only 2% of people experience sides is nonsense.

What is this? How did you know this was what was happening - did you go to doctor or online research?

GEKKO135

funkey_monkey wrote: »

What is this? How did you know this was what was happening - did you go to doctor or online research?

Yes, at the time I researched the side effects of Propecia tirelessly. What happened to me is identical to what has happened hundreds if not thousands of other men upon cessation of the drug. And yes, naturally enough, I did decide to go to my doctor when my balls decided to swell to the size of a mandarin. He told me he had no doubt what happened to me was a result of Propecia, however, he did not go so far as to say I had an endocrine crash; that is just the opinion I have formulated. It would be far too coincidental for me believe that what happened to me was either just spontaneous or due to some other unknown factor.

The bottom line: I took Propecia and I experienced sides after two weeks, I then stopped Propecia and experienced some sort of horrible crash (surges and dips in libido / bollox swelling up / dull pain in perenium) that can only be attributed to my endocrine system.

SeanJ09

Are there any potential side effects of Propecia?

BrianG23

Icarian wrote: »

I've been on finasteride for 2 and a half months and have no side effects at all. The only thing that is happening is (after a scary, but expected month long shed) my thin spots are thickening up so you can't see my scalp anymore. Finasteride doesn't effect testosterone levels at all, it only prevents/reduces conversion of testosterone into dihydrotestosterone.

You are lucky. But keep a close eye on it, I wasn't getting side effects till 6y months in. Then they came on pretty quick. No lasting ones though

shavins

so propecia is unsafe?am trying viviscal from tomorrow-does anyone know if it is a waste of time or worth a go?Thanks

owen85

shave it off, i was thinning on top when i was in my early twenties, by mid twenties i got a mac razor and shaved it off. thought the look was a bit too severe and decided on using a beard trimmer with no heads on it. i think with no heads on the shaver its called a zero blade? anyway i felt more confident and loved the look. i didnt have to worry about wet hair showing my scalp, wind blowing my carefully groomed hair etc. i find that women dont care if you have hair or not. its mostly down to how youre feeling about yourself and you dont let yourself look messy or unkept. i have to admit one thing, a clean shaved head, beard to match the length of hair on your head and a nice short on gets you some looks from some good looking women. but thats down to how you carry yourself too because you know youre looking good.

id say, try using a beard trimmer with no 1,2 or 3 blade head extensions on it, grow a beard or cut your beard to the same length and see what you think. if youre weary about what people may think of you, stick on a nice shirt and walk down grafton street on a sunny day. see what women look at you..or men

BrianG23

shavins wrote: »

so propecia is unsafe?am trying viviscal from tomorrow-does anyone know if it is a waste of time or worth a go?Thanks

Can't seem to find anything good about it from places I would deem reputable(Hairlosstalk) and it's really expensive, it seems to be a great vitamin supply though? 50 a month is really expensive imo, Finasteride(Propecia) works. If you want to take the risk then do go ahead. It really is a small amount of people who suffer the horrible side effects. But don't let anyone tell you they don't exist. I'm happy to have tried it, I know it works at least but I got too many of the side effects. Your hairloss, how is it? Is your head itchy?(Mine is/was -> Aggressive MpB). Also, would you look good with short hair? Do you tan well? I wouldn't agree with owen fully, it does depend on the person. Of course that look is good on some people, it really depends on the shape of your head, complexion and hair color. **** some people are just sexy with or without hair.

On the other hand I would be **** ugly without my hair. Luck of the draw. Imo, keeping your hair is worth a shot. At the very least start buying Nizoral and using it as it's also proven to work to slow down the hairloss(and get rid of the itchiness if you have it), thats cheap and it at the very least slows down hairloss. Also when buying normal shampoo start buying moisturizing shampoo instead of other ones as Nizoral over a long period can dry your scalp(easily mend-able with regular moisturizing shampoo)

Also, I started using Spiro S5 creme, I suspect it is working, but i'm waiting to see if it's truly worth it before I report back to you guys, been on it about 4-5 months now. Hairloss increased(completely expected and should happen for this type of treatment only if it's working, it was the same with Finasteride/Propecia). If I start regrowing dark hair(i'm regrowing miniaturized hair now but I don't deem that worthy or use) i'll report back. If I don't and it stays like this within the next 7 months, i'll let you guys know too. One thing I definitely noticed is my hair on the side(as I said aggressive mpb) has really started growing back again i'll let you know how far this goes after a years treatment

Spiro works alot like Propecia as they both get to the source of mpb and stop it and the creme version doesn't give you side effects, but the effectiveness of the creme over the pills is also not really known well. So I decided to give it a shot.

The cost of propecia + minoxidil + Nizoral is like...200-300 a year, Spiro instead of Propecia is even cheaper or around the same price. Thats not much to pay to keep your hair imo, but again propecia, while it works for the majority, also seems to give a high amount of people side effects. You should google more about it and try to find reputable places, hairlosstalk is a good one I think. Try to find alot of people instead of just taking the word of a few people on this forum including mine. The more people you find who have tried/experienced all this the better informed you'll be about what you want to do.

Hey also, if you do get on any pill such as propecia, it's important to ween off them if you are stopping, alot of powerful drugs can have DRASTIC effects if you just stop taking them. Anti depressents are a good example for that.