Ironman World Championship 13/10/12

Izoard

Good to see Crowie's low opinion of Macca hasn't dimmed...

http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/10/video/crowie-on-racing-macca-and-missing-lance-in-kona_63060

Hard to believe that Lance was his motivation for coming back this year, though...

MrCreosote

For every other competitor Lance=media interest=dollars.

Was interesting to see how quickly the WTC and triathlete media got into bed with him despite the huge cloud hanging over him at the time. Good to see he was finally proved to be a cheating doper before he could wreck another sport.

As for Macca, I'd say Crowie is still hurting from 2010. I expect him to beat him this time around though.

Izoard

Just realised it is on Oct 13th - Doh! - mod request required...

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Do we have a list of Irish racing there this year? The ones i know of are,
Dolan, Martin, Ryan, Muldoon, Cummins.

couerdelion

Tommy Ancient Tuber wrote: »

Do we have a list of Irish racing there this year? The ones i know of are,
Dolan, Martin, Ryan, Muldoon, Cummins.

Bored in work so here you go...

1198 Rob Cummins M40-44
1662 Liam Dolan M30-34
1385 Neil Feerick M35-39
1991 Kate Lahart F25-29
1308 Owen Martin M35-39
995 James Mc Laughlin M40-44
1034 Matt Molloy M40-44
1371 Martin Muldoon M35-39
1715 Michael O'Brien M30-34
2094 Sharon O'Hara F18-24
814 Alan Ryan M45-49

Macanri

Link to TI article on Irish competitors: http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=1016

catweazle

Macanri wrote: »

Link to TI article on Irish competitors: http://www.triathlonireland.com/index.php?id=107&nid=1016

Only on some of them, looks like Tri Ireland dont know who some of them are along with me judging from Courdelions list of who is racing.

couerdelion

catweazle wrote: »

Only on some of them, looks like Tri Ireland dont know who some of them are along with me judging from Courdelions list of who is racing.

I've checked with Detective Inspector Google on the three not mentioned in the TI artice, but marked as being Irish on the Kona start list...

Neil Feerick - Posssibly American.
Kate Lahart - has a few tri results in Ireland inc 3rd in 2011 BoE
James Mclaughlin - represented Ireland in 2006 AG worlds

bryangiggsy

Was just looking at photos that Owen has posted on FB of himself and Martin Muldoon doing intervals in the Energy lab yesterday. Have nothing but admiration for these guys. In perfect physical shape....zero excess body fat ...one cannot but be impressed. They get the training done, a trip to Kona to compete against the best is their reward and they loving every minute of it. Mucho respect.

pgibbo

+1

Spotted those photos this morning alright. Impressive stuff.

tunney

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Was just looking at photos that Owen has posted on FB of himself and Martin Muldoon doing intervals in the Energy lab yesterday. Have nothing but admiration for these guys. In perfect physical shape....zero excess body fat ...one cannot but be impressed. They get the training done, a trip to Kona to compete against the best is their reward and they loving every minute of it. Mucho respect.

How are the kids?
How is the job going? Still working savage hours?

Take away the kids, the wife the long hours. Seem that difficult now?

pgibbo

tunney wrote: »

How are the kids?
How is the job going? Still working savage hours?

Take away the kids, the wife the long hours. Seem that difficult now?

There are plenty of athletes out there in a similar situation that don't have the heart, guts or desire to qualify for Kona. Irrespective of ones personal circumstances, I think qualifying is a great achievement. It is even more admirable if you manage it whilst juggling family life and a busy job.

tunney

pgibbo wrote: »

There are plenty of athletes out there in a similar situation that don't have the heart, guts or desire to qualify for Kona. Irrespective of ones personal circumstances, I think qualifying is a great achievement. It is even more admirable if you manage it whilst juggling family life and a busy job.

Yes of course. However before we all beat ourselves up about not being sub nine Ironmen - some of us just don't have the professional and family lives that could ever allow this regardless of heart, guts or desire.

I have the utmost respect for what everyone is doing in kona(well most). However I am pretty sure that if changed a few things about peoples lifes - well they wouldn't be there.

Oryx

tunney wrote: »

Yes of course. However before we all beat ourselves up about not being sub nine Ironmen - some of us just don't have the professional and family lives that could ever allow this regardless of heart, guts or desire.

I have the utmost respect for what everyone is doing in kona(well most). However I am pretty sure that if changed a few things about peoples lifes - well they wouldn't be there.

Our own local boy wonder seems to have the same lifestyle as the rest of us, with maybe a slightly more understanding family being the only concession I might give him. He is the oldest of the bunch, but still earned his place on merit and hard work. I think the key thing you said is desire. That above all is what gets you there. Everything else is negotiable.

As the saying goes, if your auntie had balls she'd be your uncle. We all could do feckin fantastic if it wasnt for x, y or z.

Bambaata

I think fair balls to them. I often think "oh if only i could train full time" but i dont think i could actually manage it! It takes fair dedication to keep running down the body like that

Izoard

tunney wrote: »

How are the kids?
How is the job going? Still working savage hours?

Take away the kids, the wife the long hours. Seem that difficult now?

Who knows what they are dealing with in their lives outside of IM?

There are guys and gals going to Kona with much tougher scenarios wrt family, job and other issues - but as others have said, they have the desire to get it done.

bryangiggsy

Izoard wrote: »

Who knows what they are dealing with in their lives outside of IM?

There are guys and gals going to Kona with much tougher scenarios wrt family, job and other issues - but as others have said, they have the desire to get it done.

I dont agree. Can you give me some examples?

Izoard

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I dont agree. Can you give me some examples?

Don't agree with what?

As another poster has mentioned, one of the Irish contingent (neither of OM or MM) has qualified and is juggling kids, wife, job etc...

There are no extra prizes for AGers with kids/tough job etc... At the end of the day it is a hobby - some people can devote more time/money etc., to it than others.

But either way, to qualify, you need the desire and discipline to make sacrifices in other aspects of your life, irrespective of what that life is comprised of.

tunney

Izoard wrote: »

Don't agree with what?

As another poster has mentioned, one of the Irish contingent (neither of OM or MM) has qualified and is juggling kids, wife, job etc...

There are no extra prizes for AGers with kids/tough job etc... At the end of the day it is a hobby - some people can devote more time/money etc., to it than others.

But either way, to qualify, you need the desire and discipline to make sacrifices in other aspects of your life, irrespective of what that life is comprised of.

All I meant was one shouldn't diminish one's own accomplishments by comparing them to those that are in different circumstances. If you did your *honest* best, you did your honest best.

tunney

You may say I am biased but I think this year is his year, this year Dolan will be #1 Irish AGer.

bryangiggsy

Izoard wrote: »

Don't agree with what?

As another poster has mentioned, one of the Irish contingent (neither of OM or MM) has qualified and is juggling kids, wife, job etc...

There are no extra prizes for AGers with kids/tough job etc... At the end of the day it is a hobby - some people can devote more time/money etc., to it than others.

But either way, to qualify, you need the desire and discipline to make sacrifices in other aspects of your life, irrespective of what that life is comprised of.

Am merely stating the obvious that a person will get their much quicker without commitments than a person with commitments.

bryangiggsy

tunney wrote: »

You may say I am biased but I think this year is his year, this year Dolan will be #1 Irish AGer.

Damn brave statement. Laying it down!!!! Lets talk times..will any Irish Ager go close to breaking the Kona 9 hr barrier!!! Think M Molloy went 913 last yr!!
Dolan,Martin,Muldoon,Molloy.....there cant be much between them!

Izoard

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Am merely stating the obvious that a person will get their much quicker without commitments than a person with commitments.

I get the point you are making, but don't necessarily agree.

From my own perspective, when I had loads of time and no commitments, I spent most of it in the pub or generally doing not very much.

With 4 kids and a job that has me out of Ireland most of the time, I can manage to not fully disgrace myself in an IM situation.

The less time you have, the more you can get done....

bryangiggsy

Izoard wrote: »

I get the point you are making, but don't necessarily agree.

From my own perspective, when I had loads of time and no commitments, I spent most of it in the pub or generally doing not very much.

With 4 kids and a job that has me out of Ireland most of the time, I can manage to not fully disgrace myself in an IM situation.

The less time you have, the more you can get done....

Ah but i bet u were not doing triathlon when u were single and in the pub....i started triathlon aug 07 when i was 33 any my wife was 7 mths pregnant. I can only dream of the recovery i could have got in (sleep..naps..more sleep...more naps) if i had of started this when i was 23 . Gone off topic now..apologies op. Lets get back on Kona..7 days to go

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

tunney wrote: »

You may say I am biased but I think this year is his year, this year Dolan will be #1 Irish AGer.

Judging from his bike and run at Lost Sheep which would have been in a heavy block of IM specific work i would have to agree. I believe his swim has improved as well which should help with quicker "legal" pace lines on the bike.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLxTcXRgYJnfRrR0wLpQSsMjgnRrYofQ0U&feature=plcp

Ali'i Drive series.

kennedy_adrian

couerdelion wrote: »

I've checked with Detective Inspector Google on the three not mentioned in the TI artice, but marked as being Irish on the Kona start list...

Neil Feerick - Posssibly American.
Kate Lahart - has a few tri results in Ireland inc 3rd in 2011 BoE
James Mclaughlin - represented Ireland in 2006 AG worlds

Neil Feerick is Irish. From a village called Milltown, about 8 miles north of Tuam in Galway. He's been living in America for probably 15 years or so. Not sure which nationality he's declaring for on Sat in Kona.

couerdelion

kennedy_adrian wrote: »

Neil Feerick is Irish. From a village called Milltown, about 8 miles north of Tuam in Galway. He's been living in America for probably 15 years or so. Not sure which nationality he's declaring for on Sat in Kona.

He's on the start list as Irish. Only results I could see we're from US races which is why I thought he was possibly American. Good to know though, thanks.

catweazle

kennedy_adrian wrote: »

Neil Feerick is Irish. From a village called Milltown, about 8 miles north of Tuam in Galway. He's been living in America for probably 15 years or so. Not sure which nationality he's declaring for on Sat in Kona.

Probably a good footballer so as well, plenty of Feericks on that Milltown team over the years

BennyMul

regardless of external factors not giving us the time to train to qualify, how much of it is down to physical ability, or do we assume that anyone who trains correctly and give it their all will qualify (providing things go right on the day)?

MrCreosote

Macca's latest thoughts on Lance

http://triathlon.competitor.com/2012/10/features/maccas-musings-the-lance-factor_63639

I'm not sure why he is so apologetic about a 41 year old unrepentant dope cheat has-been. Time to move on...

Ironman dodged a bullet when Lance got banned before he could damage the credibility of the sport too much.

Izoard

Macca, good value for money as ever - live feed, if you are on line...


http://new.livestream.com/accounts/1570700/events/1587477?origin=Event+Broadcast&mixpanel_id=13665003afe3cd-0df6d1aed-1c79343a-232800-13665003aff8d1&acc_id=1638308&medium=email

bryangiggsy

Izoard wrote: »

Macca, good value for money as ever - live feed, if you are on line...


http://new.livestream.com/accounts/1570700/events/1587477?origin=Event+Broadcast&mixpanel_id=13665003afe3cd-0df6d1aed-1c79343a-232800-13665003aff8d1&acc_id=1638308&medium=email

Macca 8/1
Kienle 9/1
Raelart 9/2
Will the 3 above have enough of a gap coming off the bike to Crowie?

Bambaata

Macca's interview was decent. He talked about how the tables may have turned slightly between him and Crowie, as in he has lost bike strength but his running is better than ever so its him that'll be hoping to be within touching distance coming off the bike and its Crowie revving up the other guys to break Macca and build a lead on the bike.

Ceepo

Bambaata wrote: »

Macca's interview was decent. He talked about how the tables may have turned slightly between him and Crowie, as in he has lost bike strength but his running is better than ever so its him that'll be hoping to be within touching distance coming off the bike and its Crowie revving up the other guys to break Macca and build a lead on the bike.

I suspect more mind games from Macca, so that Crowie will push harder on the bike and will leave him with less in the legs for the run,
Maybe not but Macca likes playing mind games

Oryx

BennyMul wrote: »

regardless of external factors not giving us the time to train to qualify, how much of it is down to physical ability, or do we assume that anyone who trains correctly and give it their all will qualify (providing things go right on the day)?

My impression is that the main limiting physical factor is your ability to recover, and as part of that, not be prone to injury. That is what I feel some people have intrinsically as an advantage over others. I still think with agers, its a hard thing to guage, because so many other factors are in play.

bryangiggsy

Oryx wrote: »

My impression is that the main limiting physical factor is your ability to recover, and as part of that, not be prone to injury. That is what I feel some people have intrinsically as an advantage over others. I still think with agers, its a hard thing to guage, because so many other factors are in play.

Previous sports history has a big part to play as well i think. If you have always been a couch potato and done no sports b4 taking up triathlon then getting from A to B is going to take a lot longer than a person who is already at B or C when taking up the sport. For example BMC was a professional footballer for Leeds and comes in much higher up the scale than most.
Regarding Bmuls original question how much is down to actual talent...i believe i read somewhere before that in triathlon only 2% or 3% of agers are actually talented....the rest get to the top through hard work and sacrifice. Dont ask me where i read it but i remembering thinking at the time wow.

PGF

Ceepo wrote: »

I suspect more mind games from Macca, so that Crowie will push harder on the bike and will leave him with less in the legs for the run,
Maybe not but Macca likes playing mind games

Surely Crowie doesn't GAF about Macca's mind games? Is he that fragile that Macca has an affect on him? Personally I think Macca is full of it (but obviously bloody good at racing).

Ceepo

PGF wrote: »

Ceepo wrote: »

I suspect more mind games from Macca, so that Crowie will push harder on the bike and will leave him with less in the legs for the run,
Maybe not but Macca likes playing mind games

Surely Crowie doesn't GAF about Macca's mind games? Is he that fragile that Macca has an affect on him? Personally I think Macca is full of it (but obviously bloody good at racing).

Don't think that he would GAF, or is fragile and is typical Macca pre race talk, but as he says himself, "I just plant a seed"

Bambaata

I think it worked on Crowie. Look at the last time MAcca won, all year he reminded people that Crowie would run people down and thus the bike was where the damage needed to be done. Then Crowie came back and beefed up his bike work and we all know what happened then! Crowie's a machine now but how is age effecting him!? It'll be an interesting one. Kienle should be more like 20/1. A non wetsuit swim will hamper his chances but it will be interesting to see his bike time!

I cant wait anyway! I'm down in my folks place for it so if their internet starts acting the maggot ill go mad!!

Notwitch

BennyMul wrote: »

regardless of external factors not giving us the time to train to qualify, how much of it is down to physical ability, or do we assume that anyone who trains correctly and give it their all will qualify (providing things go right on the day)?

You might be interested in Martin Muldoons post on his week pre christmas last year training with some of the Irish elites. 40 hours across 10 days and he closes off by saying "After the 10 days I felt great, a bit tired but not overly so..."

http://martin-muldoon.blogspot.ie/

There's at least 4 Irish lads heading out there who's race plan includes beating Martin!

Notwitch

couerdelion wrote: »

Bored in work so here you go...

1198 Rob Cummins M40-44
1662 Liam Dolan M30-34
1385 Neil Feerick M35-39
1991 Kate Lahart F25-29
1308 Owen Martin M35-39
995 James Mc Laughlin M40-44
1034 Matt Molloy M40-44
1371 Martin Muldoon M35-39
1715 Michael O'Brien M30-34
2094 Sharon O'Hara F18-24
814 Alan Ryan M45-49

So, what's the pecking order on race day? Some real quality in there.

What I know:
Matt Molloy will lead the Irish out in the swim and is coached by Bill Black (still?) but he's on his 3rd IM this year. He hasn't raced great this year - by his standards, but was the best of the Irish last year with 9:13.
Owen Martin is on his 3rd im this year, with IM Canada most recently. That's gotta take it's toll, but he outraced Muldoon last year finishing in 9:35 ish.
Mike O'Brien Kona debut but survived the carnage in Austria with a quality performance but only got married last weekend.
Martin Mudloon is doing his first IM this year, but had to come through some a fair bit of travelling and some tough HIMs to get here. He's coached by Alan Couzens at Endurance corner who has planned his season towards this. Was probably dissappointed with 9:38 last year.
Alan Ryan has kept the head down since Regensburg but has put a couple of big years into getting back here with a stated aim of gaining a podium in his age group - no doubt like others. Last year that would have required sub 9:30 for Alan.
LCDs swims have improved in a wetsuit, it's 12 months since his last IM and has been able to focus on this race since last September.He posted one of the fastest AG bike splits on his last visit in 2010, on a harder bike day than 2011 proved to be.
Rob Cummins another debutante.

I think it will come down to Muldoon and LCD on the run. They're the freshest.

Best of luck to them all, i've huge admiration for them and the others in getting there. Really looking forward to tracking it tomorrow. I would like to see LCD do it though.

tunney

Notwitch wrote: »

So, what's the pecking order on race day? Some real quality in there.

What I know:
Matt Molloy will lead the Irish out in the swim and is coached by Bill Black (still?) but he's on his 3rd IM this year. He hasn't raced great this year - by his standards, but was the best of the Irish last year with 9:13.
Owen Martin is on his 3rd im this year, with IM Canada most recently. That's gotta take it's toll, but he outraced Muldoon last year finishing in 9:35 ish.
Mike O'Brien Kona debut but survived the carnage in Austria with a quality performance but only got married last weekend.
Martin Mudloon is doing his first IM this year, but had to come through some a fair bit of travelling and some tough HIMs to get here. He's coached by Alan Couzens at Endurance corner who has planned his season towards this. Was probably dissappointed with 9:38 last year.
Alan Ryan has kept the head down since Regensburg but has put a couple of big years into getting back here with a stated aim of gaining a podium in his age group - no doubt like others. Last year that would have required sub 9:30 for Alan.
LCDs swims have improved in a wetsuit, it's 12 months since his last IM and has been able to focus on this race since last September.He posted one of the fastest AG bike splits on his last visit in 2010, on a harder bike day than 2011 proved to be.
Rob Cummins another debutante.

I think it will come down to Muldoon and LCD on the run. They're the freshest.

Best of luck to them all, i've huge admiration for them and the others in getting there. Really looking forward to tracking it tomorrow. I would like to see LCD do it though.

LCD has done things differently on the bike and run this year. I've seen some of the numbers ANIMAL, fvcking ANIMAL.

Notwitch

tunney wrote: »

LCD has done things differently on the bike and run this year. I've seen some of the numbers ANIMAL, fvcking ANIMAL.

Is he mainly self coached now - you in the Matt Steinmetz role!?

I see Mike O'Brien and MCOS share a coach.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

I really cannot wait to see how this race unfolds, looking at the list it really hammers home how tough it is to get there.

duffyshuffle

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Macca 8/1
Kienle 9/1
Raelart 9/2
Will the 3 above have enough of a gap coming off the bike to Crowie?

where did you get the odds?

shotgunmcos

Notwitch wrote: »

Is he mainly self coached now - you in the Matt Steinmetz role!?

I see Mike O'Brien and MCOS share a coach.

Yes we do, or rather did. I've since left that. Trained with MOB for bike and swim over the last 2 months. He is only 2-3 mins off me on a 4k training OW swim. So, non wetsuit, I would expect 65-68 mins. Bike will be 5-5:15. Heat factor since he did 3:14 in Austria in mid 30s heat I'd imagine much the same so circa 9:30 - 9:40. Depends if Austria is still in the legs in the latter stages. Was at his wedding last week. He didn't touch a drop and was up early to drop a mate to the airport and get a proper breakie on while we made gluttons of ourselves at the buffet. He has remained focused and will put a cat among the pigeons if he has a good day

Of the Irish most of them will do 60-70 min swims, Molloy obviously excluded. O'Gorman and Dolan last 2 out of the water but will reel the rest in, Dolan being the uber bike more so. Dolan to catch and pass most of them on the run and slowly run Molloy down. With Martina and Muldoon already out on the run it could be very interesting from 7hrs onward...

As for the PROs.. Realart vs Crowie for me

centre back

does anyone know where to watch this tomorrow?? thanks

Notwitch

http://universalsports.com/triathlon/

Or

Ironman.com

Seems like they've updated the site

peter kern

i think this year could be the first time since stadler that a guy that wasnt in the lead bunch in the swim gets on the podium.
you have kienle roling up the field and that can play well in the hands of schildknecht bracht and rapp to get in the mix and those guys are serious runers.
iam suprised nobody talks about the guy that was third i melbourne this year which i think was the 2nd ironman defo a top 10 potential man.
van honeacker seems to really focus on hawaii this year as i thik is a ralert and that can work for those guys apart from mind i think raelert the most complete swim bike runner in the field.


females i think cave timed it well this year and raced less
windy will help steffen and do carfree
and joyce with a good swim could hold steffen long on the bike and is the 2nd best runner of the contender. will be an intersting races as rinny is the best runner Ironman has ever seen and this will put pressure on the top 3 of the bike.

on another thing in this thread we all make the choices we want to make and the the truth is there is a lot of busiess owners that have kids that make it to hawaii.
as those people have the drive it take to get their they dont make up excuses they do and thats why they are successful in buisiness too.
ryan has kids
molloy has kids and runs a company what i am saying tough people are successful whatever they do as they are diciplined and have willpower.
and while there is more than 3 % of agers are talented ironman depends less on talent than olympic tri . molloy and ryan where both pretty fat 7 years ago and in the 15 en stone range
the same cummins he is only in hawaii becasue he really wanted to go there and like he opened a bike shop and did it he went to hawaii
and the reason is this guy (at least last year ) did 180 k rides on the dublin tri course in the phonix park . allan ryan does 6 hours sessions on a turbo traiiner.
ie those guys really have it mentally what it takes and they struggle on when most start to cry and walk.
and they have great support from their other halfs which is very important. but they plan their success and have worked very very hard in life . 80 to 100 hours a week in work live is great IM training.... as its a similar circle there is good and bad days in sport like in business and the ones that get up from failure and work better and harder are the ones that usually succeed.

the people who come up with excuses if i had this i would be great hardly ever go far in live....
its also funny to see that most male pro athletes become better when they have kids.....and in theorie should have more on their plate but it gives them more focus and distraction from the sport.
also we have hardly ever seen somebody on the dole to be a good triathlete....
of course less on the plate helps but the people with really good time management and business owners with the needed self drive are not really in a disadvantage as building up a buisness gives s a very transferable skill to become a good Ironman, as those guys are alpha people that often dont understand you cant do that, they find ways how to do something.

sherdo2010

This is starting 5pm Irish time right!