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29-09-2012 1:55pm#1More topics - good idea
business is down: increase sales!! wow, good idea!
If Mango will excuse me gibing at his very non-literal use of the term "good idea", the summery did get me thinking.
One way I can see this place having more topics, is by allowing a broader range of topics to be discussed. i.e., not just direct LGBT issues, but non direct ones too; general topics which may have a LGBT angle, or health/news/relationship threads which many have indirect but enlightening input from LGBT Posters.
my point being quite a lot of the time I see people here advising posters to "take it to the AH" or "there's another forum for that" or "this forum is for LGBT issue" if the thread isn't directly and immediately a queer issue or a topic involving LGBT activities. But what about if the thread starter was especially asking for or looking for a Gay perspective on an otherwise indirect issue?
One way to get more topics in this part of the forum is to make the forum "general topic friendly"1
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mango salsa wrote: »By the way Aurongroove - there are lots of discussions in here already if you go look for them - here's a few examples...
I thought the search function was disabled on the LGBT forum?
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say_who_now? wrote: »I thought the search function was disabled on the LGBT forum?
I think moderators can search :-|It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Terry Pratchet
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mango salsa wrote: »say_who_now? wrote: »I thought the search function was disabled on the LGBT forum?
I think moderators can search :-|
I'm only laughing mango because it was a little unfair then to expect an ordinary member to search when this function is not available to them, but I understand why the search function is disabled on this forums in particular. I've had it come back to bite me in the ass already where a another member did a post history search and posted snippets of my posts in a discussion which I thought was a rather low thing to do, so my only feedback in this regard is that disabling the search function for this forum is a good call on the part of the Mods!
EDIT: It wasn't in this forum they posted the snippets, it was in After Hours, so to those who say this forum is "no fun", sometimes it's a good thing to be held to a higher standard!
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Aurongroove wrote: »
sorry, allow me to try again.That doesn't really address any of the points I made at all.
It would be a forum for LGBT users to discuss every day topics (not everything under the sun, i mean lets be rasonable, there no point discussing like physics or indepth sports analysis, just things like what exercise do you do, do you like games? are you a forgetful person? do you bake?).Again I ask what would the purpose of this forum be if general discussion was allowed on every topic under the sun? I haven't seen anyone attempt to address that question.
If this is indeed only a forum for LGBT issues, then you'll never really be able to keep it busy or diverse, or "fun". LGBT issues are serious issues and no one likes to troll serious threads with jokes. likewise no gay person likes talking only about gay topics.
So general topics are the answer.
I think I see where Aurongroove is coming from, right now the forum feels more like a drop-in centre for LGBT issues, issues and more issues. It doesn't feel like a community at all, and it certainly doesn't feel like the most welcoming or friendly place that it actually could be if people were allowed express a little more personality and a little less issues.
Actually I think FairyTaleGal put that better than I did
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baby and crumble wrote: »What would make me a bit nervous about that is that is ghetto-ises gay people. Like we need a special place to talk about everyday things. I get that there could be a few random threads but i honestly don't see the point in making it more general. Why do you have to talk to other gay people only about stuff? That's as bad as only talking about gay stuff all the time!!!
Often times though baby and crumble there have been complaints made that boards has no "safe place" for the LGBT community, and more often again when reading these forums, especially some posts in the off-topic thread, I get the feeling there is this kind of mentality going on-
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say_who_now? wrote: »I think I see where Aurongroove is coming from, right now the forum feels more like a drop-in centre for LGBT issues, issues and more issues. It doesn't feel like a community at all, and it certainly doesn't feel like the most welcoming or friendly place that it actually could be if people were allowed express a little more personality and a little less issues.
Actually I think FairyTaleGal put that better than I did
I really think Cygnus made a good point though. Why do you need to discuss non gay things in the LGBT forum when you can discuss them in the 100s of other forums on boards with other like minded enthusiasts of those subjects and get perhaps more rewarding feedback/debate among posters in those forums (many of whom are no doubt LGBT posters but so what - it wouldn't be relevant to whatever the topic that was being discussed)? Why would such non LGTB topics have to be discussed only with LGBT folks (which would mostly happen if they were brought up on this forum)?
If those topics have nothing to do with being LGBT, why should they be brought up here? If I want to discuss Breaking Bad or Mad Men, I'll go to the TV forum, if I want to discuss the Galway defeat to Kikenny in hurling, I'll go to the GAA forum, likewise the state of our trains in the Community and Transport forum. Topics that would have a LGBT slant (ie a TV show like Gay Daddies or a GAA player coming out or an LGBT commuter discriminated against would be appropriate to crop up in this forum however.
Personally, I think the forum would get diluted if any topic about anything was permitted. I acknowledge though that there is a seriousness and perhaps lack of fun in this forum though and maybe there should be a subforum within LGBT in the After Hours vein that could accommodate "shooting the breeze" and other chitchat/anything goes (almost) type topics?0 -
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mango salsa wrote: »I'm not really sure I get where you are coming from. Your interests are cars, money and technology - I don't fully understand why you need a safe environment to discuss those interests.
I guess there's kind of a dual issue here; on one hand, people wanna be able to talk about anything they want to, even if another forum exists for those interests. On the other hand, it's only natural to wanna chat to people who can relate to you when it comes to LGBT issues and so forth.
I mean, I love music. I've no problem going to the Music forum or Alt/Indie forum to talk to like minded people about it. But I have very few gay friends in real life....scratch that, I have none. And my straight friends are great and all (though I don't have many of them either tbh
) but sometimes I feel like it would be nice to be able to chat to other LGBT folk about shared interests.
I don't think anyone is laying the blame at the mods here; it's only natural that the people running a forum as widespread as boards, with so many different forums catering to nearly every interest imaginable, will move threads to a more "appropriate" environment. Only problem is that you lose the sense of community you have in other, less large forums like GayCork or QueerID, for example. Those sites don't have specific fora for every topic, therefore every discussion sits side-by-side and there's more chance for bonding over common interests and so forth. Whereas an LGBT specific forum among a whole bunch of specialised music/sprot/TV/etc. fora simply doesn't have as much scope for LGBT folk to chat to each other about stuff they may have in common.
.....I may be slightly drunk right now and waffling a bit to avoid the inevitable sleeping in, but I hope you see where I'm coming from!
(If not I'll try explain it better a little soberer! :pac:) 0 -
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say_who_now? wrote: »baby and crumble wrote: »What would make me a bit nervous about that is that is ghetto-ises gay people. Like we need a special place to talk about everyday things. I get that there could be a few random threads but i honestly don't see the point in making it more general. Why do you have to talk to other gay people only about stuff? That's as bad as only talking about gay stuff all the time!!!
Often times though baby and crumble there have been complaints made that boards has no "safe place" for the LGBT community, and more often again when reading these forums, especially some posts in the off-topic thread, I get the feeling there is this kind of mentality going on-
**** that, what's wrong with after hours threads? To be honest, AH is generally an inhospitable place for homophobes.
I feel as comfortable posting in there as I do here. If its relevant, I've no problem bringing up LGBT issues or experiences. It's essentially an anonymous forum - if you can't be yourself there, where can you be.
And increased visibility is generally a good thing. If a comment is being discussed on another forum where a gay perspective is relevant, isn't it better that we share it there so others can take it on board, rather than hiding ourselves away.
It's not entirely healthy either that you look at things only through a gay prism or seek out gay views. A straight persons view on breaking bad is just as relevant as a gay persons.0 -
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What I don't get now is why this Feedback thread was opened at all? Every suggestion that posters have made has been shot down by the Mods whose basic point seems to be "No, we won't be changing anything". Opening a feedback thread and inviting suggestions from other posters seems to have been a complete waste of time! 0
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The reason searching is disabled for users, and the reason your posts here aren't easily accessible for others via your profile, I would have thought to be quite obvious given the nature of the forum, we're back to the whole "safe space" thing, some people may not want others to know they post here, or the nature of the posts they make.Honestly, I thought why don't these people just use the search function! It's all been said a million times before, until I realised it's not on the LGBT forum. You could slap a big massive search box in the middle of the place and let that be it. Anyone seeking advice wouldn't complain.
It has been more active, a lot more, and there was no problem.You can use that off-topic thread but c'mon, ONE thread for ALL our stuff? What about when loads of people get into talking about loads of different topics and it becomes a mangled mess?
Go make general jokes and have fun in off topic, or a light hearted thread, nobody cares. However you have to realise that when it comes to gender or sexuality, what you're comfortable laughing about someone else could be grossly offended or hurt by, jokes in that area in serious threads is just not acceptable. A group perspective is called for here intermittently, allowing 24/7 open feedback would hinder the way boards and mods work, anywhere, not just here, discussing issues and moderator decisions via PM is an aspect of site rules, it has nothing to do with the LGBT forum, we can't change that.And ffs, a bit of humour wouldn't go amiss! The odd time it happens we get something along the lines of "if you have nothing to contribute, don't post" and that person that made a rare funny joke around here is gone off.
And if we say something about the lack of humour our posts get deleted. Wtf? We should have a sticky to post our thoughts on the place in order to better it without taking it the mods. A group's perspective is always better, like what's going on here now.
It's really not our fault so I'm not taking it that way.I'm not throwing down on mods but c'mon, this place is ridged and not casual or appealing, which it should be.say_who_now? wrote: »What I don't get now is why this Feedback thread was opened at all? Every suggestion that posters have made has been shot down by the Mods whose basic point seems to be "No, we won't be changing anything". Opening a feedback thread and inviting suggestions from other posters seems to have been a complete waste of time! 0 -
say_who_now? wrote: »What I don't get now is why this Feedback thread was opened at all? Every suggestion that posters have made has been shot down by the Mods whose basic point seems to be "No, we won't be changing anything". Opening a feedback thread and inviting suggestions from other posters seems to have been a complete waste of time!
The mods didn't start the thread.0 -
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say_who_now? wrote: »Every suggestion that posters have made has been shot down by the Mods whose basic point seems to be "No, we won't be changing anything".
Are you reading the same thread as me? I've consistently said that feedback is welcome. I've thrown in a suggestion as regards the Ladies Lounge forum to try and figure out what people want and to try and figure if change is needed what sort of change. It's just not true that Every suggestion that posters have made has been shot down by the Mods whose basic point seems to be "No, we won't be changing anything"wonderfulname wrote: »Would you care to furnish us with examples of such topics?mango salsa wrote: »I'm not hostile to your idea Aurongroove. I'm not quite sure what the purpose of the forum would be if it was broadened?mango salsa wrote: »I'm really really confused about the Computer games thread. My understanding was that there was a suggestion that general discussions with lgbt links or themes should be started.
I'm just not sure what the purpose of the forum at all would be if general discussions about anything and everything take over the forum.
I understand where people are coming from in terms of wanting more discussion, more fun etc.
I don't think the purpose of this forum is to have lots of general and generic discussions on politics, books, computer games, theatre, music, sport, toys, sleeping, smelling, working etc etcmango salsa wrote: »I'm not trying to block or oppose change here.
What I'm asking is that if people want significant forum change here then please tell us more about what the purpose of the forum would be after significant change.
The charter of this forum is currently quite clear about what the purpose of the forum is!
Would you prefer that changed to something like the Ladies Lounge forum charter?
If yes - perhaps explain more why you want that?
What do you want from the forum?
What would you envisage from changes in the forum?
Should it change significantly? How? Why?
Should it be like other forums on boards.ie?
We get lots of PI type posts of people coming out - what about them?mango salsa wrote: »Ok - good points made. More feedback welcome.
What do you want from the forum? Have you looked at what they discuss in other forums on boards? Do you think that allowing anything and everything to be discussed is a good idea? or would the forum just turn into a pointless mishmash?We can assure you that such trolls will be dealt with swiftly. The ban list is looking healthy as it is. On the subject of discussion, I support healthy discussion of LGBT topics or topics with a hint of LGBT about it, i.e. Art, Music, Movies, TV etc.It is true, you could discuss topics of interest in other forums with like minded folk. You can also discuss it here with folk from a similar background, almost finding someone from a similar background with similar interests.wonderfulname wrote: »The reason searching is disabled for users, and the reason your posts here aren't easily accessible for others via your profile, I would have thought to be quite obvious given the nature of the forum, we're back to the whole "safe space" thing, some people may not want others to know they post here, or the nature of the posts they make.
It has been more active, a lot more, and there was no problem.
Go make general jokes and have fun in off topic, or a light hearted thread, nobody cares. However you have to realise that when it comes to gender or sexuality, what you're comfortable laughing about someone else could be grossly offended or hurt by, jokes in that area in serious threads is just not acceptable. A group perspective is called for here intermittently, allowing 24/7 open feedback would hinder the way boards and mods work, anywhere, not just here, discussing issues and moderator decisions via PM is an aspect of site rules, it has nothing to do with the LGBT forum, we can't change that.
It's really not our fault so I'm not taking it that way.It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.
Terry Pratchet
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