Opinions on Method of Contraception

BD000

Before I start, apologies if this is a bit graphic or in the wrong forum.

So the gf and I use the double dutch method of contraception (the pill & condoms). We're going out for 18 months now and we'd both like to not use the condoms obviously but really don't want to risk getting pregnant...obviously :rolleyes: . This is a really stupid question as it is completely subjective and of course there is always risk but I just wanted to see what people thought of this way.

So what I do quiet a bit is, I would purposely cum quiet fast and then quickly remove the condom, do a quick but thorough clean with tissue etc, put on another condom and go right back to it, this way I last pretty much as long as I want and most time won't cum again. Now what I was wondering about is just not using the condom the second time round. I won't cum because I just came, so I'm thinking that its a simple a numbers game, if there is no major sperm load emitted and she's on the pill, the chances of getting pregnant have to be way down. Like I've heard of people being on the pill and not using condoms and having accidents etc but the way I'm suggesting, there won't be any sperm load left inside so it just seems like a much safer way of trying to have your cake and eat it...so to speak. Anyway, would be interested in hearing opinions, cheers.

Liam McPoyle

When you ejaculate tens on millions of sperm are released,even if you don't cum again there will likely be some left inside you that can be released without orgasm.

Yes it's hugely unlikely that a pregnancy would occur but all it takes is one sperm.

Once the pill is used correctly it's pretty much bullet proof anyway,it's just a case of whether or not you and your girlfriend feel safe using only it.

Perhaps the withdrawal method ie not ejaculating inside her could be used.

Piliger

Necronos wrote: »

When you ejaculate tens on millions of sperm are released,even if you don't cum again there will likely be some left inside you that can be released without orgasm.

This is something people often overlook. And young women can be incredibly fertile.

Yes it's hugely unlikely that a pregnancy would occur but all it takes is one sperm.

That's why this whole thing is about managing risk. Having sex involves risk. From any research I have ever done, the pill is extremely reliable and errors arise basically because of user-error. So if you both work together and ensure no errors are made, it should provide enough risk reduction.

I suggest that you need to do some well worth while research ... and talk to your GP and maybe some other GP(s). It's worth the investment. And al due respect to you ... honestly ... this is not the place to get reliable advice .. especially from me :rolleyes:

Zaph

Necronos wrote: »

Once the pill is used correctly it's pretty much bullet proof anyway,it's just a case of whether or not you and your girlfriend feel safe using only it.

While the failure rate of the pill is low when used correctly (0.3%. Typical use failure rate is 8%), there still is a failure rate and it is misleading to call it bullet proof. I personally know someone who got pregnant while using both the pill and condoms. The only 100% effective contraception is not to have sex. Clearly this is not an option for most people, so you do need to be aware that there is always a risk of pregnancy, even if it is a very small risk.

Liam McPoyle

Oh Im aware of that,hence the "pretty much" part.

Honey-ec

My ex and I used the Pill alone for seven years and never even had a scare. While no form of contraception is failsafe, the Pill is pretty much as close as you'll get if it's taken properly.

A pathological fear of getting pregnant in the female usually helps in this regard...

Mickey Dazzler

Wow, your obviously not a gambling man. The chances of your bird getting pregnant are zilch.

I have been using the pull out method only for years without a hitch.

You are worried about getting your bird up the duff while using the pill, condoms and the pull out method? Relax man and enjoy.

Dr Galen

Just one thing to remember, and something that often is not mentioned in such threads is the issue of STDs and condoms.

As we all (should) know, there are lots of STDs that can show no symptoms, but still be there, ready and waiting to be passed on, and can have nasty repercussions for the other partner. Before anyone moves to unprotected sex with a partner, it is probably a wise decision to have a proper check done of both of you, just in case. If that were to come back positive, it certainly does not mean that someone has been playing away, as things can sit dormant for donkeys.

Other than that, there is no 100% bulletproof method really, as as been pointed out. Proper adherence to the pill is more or less as close as you are going to get tbh, that or the other implantable devices.

floggg

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

Wow, your obviously not a gambling man. The chances of your bird getting pregnant are zilch.

I have been using the pull out method only for years without a hitch.

You are worried about getting your bird up the duff while using the pill, condoms and the pull out method? Relax man and enjoy.

The pull out aka skeeting (for all you Lil Jon fans) is a notoriously ineffective method of contraception. Maybe you just are infertile. Congrats?

No offence, but never take contraception advice from anybody who says your chances of getting pregnant from [insert contraception method here]* are zilch.

*abstinence excepted.

Sauve

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

I have been using the pull out method only for years without a hitch.

Lucky you.

It's not advisable though, if you want to avoid pregnancy. Don't try it at home kids!

Malari

Sauve wrote: »

Lucky you.

It's not advisable though, if you want to avoid pregnancy. Don't try it at home kids!

In addition to the pill, though, right? Or if you are not pulling out use a condom.

Honey-ec

Malari wrote: »

In addition to the pill, though, right?

No, I think he meant withdrawal on its own. Otherwise known as Russian Roulette.

If his partner was on the Pill there'd be no need for him to withdraw, no?

Pembily

I didn't realise the withdrawal method was used. How is that a form of contraception? It really is Russian roulette...

Kids are for life.

I always found the pill effective against pregnancy. STDs are a different story.

Malari

Honey-ec wrote: »

No, I think he meant withdrawal on its own. Otherwise known as Russian Roulette.

If his partner was on the Pill there'd be no need for him to withdraw, no?

Unless, as you say, there was a pathological fear of becoming pregnant. Which there is in my case So we do both.

Honey-ec

Malari wrote: »

Unless, as you say, there was a pathological fear of becoming pregnant. Which there is in my case So we do both.

As a lot of you know, my husband and I broke up because he wanted kids and I don't. So pathological doesn't quite cover my fear of getting pregnant over the years! But like I said, we were 7 years together using only the Pill and I never even had a scare. I think practising withdrawal on top of the pill is over-egging the pudding slightly, but horses for courses, I suppose.

I wouldn't be the one cleaning the bedsheets, though, I can tell you that much!

Galwayguy35

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

Wow, your obviously not a gambling man. The chances of your bird getting pregnant are zilch.

I have been using the pull out method only for years without a hitch.

I'd be nervous of just using the pull out method tbh.

Would you not be afraid that you would make her pregnant from precum which is released during sex and before a man orgasms?

Wouldn't risk it myself.

Malari

Honey-ec wrote: »

As a lot of you know, my husband and I broke up because he wanted kids and I don't. So pathological doesn't quite cover my fear of getting pregnant over the years! But like I said, we were 7 years together using only the Pill and I never even had a scare. I think practising withdrawal on top of the pill is over-egging the pudding slightly, but horses for courses, I suppose.

I wouldn't be the one cleaning the bedsheets, though, I can tell you that much!

LOL! Well there are other washable surfaces that can be used.

BD000

Thanks for the advice, I realise that it's a personal choice. As it stands we will defo keep using the double dutch method, I realise that the pill if used correctly is very safe but I think we still wouldn't feel comfortable leaving it up to chemistry. What I'm wondering though is will we ever stop using condoms, maybe if we were living together and in secure jobs so that if an accident did occur we would be able to give every option full consideration, if we got pregers now there is no way we could cope.

On a separate note I have two questions, and this is gonna sound pretty lame, but how much different is it without condoms, I use durex extra safe and I still think the sex is amazin, and also, is sex without condoms really messy? i imagine that there would be precum and cum all over the sheats and then wouldnt there be sperm inside her that eventually comes an all thatt? like sex with condoms can still be a messy thing but I would have thought that if we were havin sex without condoms reguarly you would have to be washin the bed clothes everyday :P

krudler

I'd always use condoms, pill or no pill, the chances are slim, but they're still there. pregnancy is top of the list but STD's as well, there are loads that have no symptoms like Chylamidia, I've gotten tested a few times just for the all clear, actually last time I did they nurse in the clinic gave out as i had no symptoms, jesus like they should be glad people actually pay attention to their sexual health, not chastising you for a checkup.

Piliger

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'd be nervous of just using the pull out method tbh.

Would you not be afraid that you would make her pregnant from precum which is released during sex and before a man orgasms?

Wouldn't risk it myself.

You are right. People who succeed with that strategy may well be low in fertility and just now even know it.

Varied

Condom is the best form for casual sex bar none.

Pill is grand if you are with and trust your partner. There is no 100% certain contraception so you may as well use one or the other.

Honey-ec

krudler wrote: »

I'd always use condoms, pill or no pill, the chances are slim, but they're still there. pregnancy is top of the list but STD's as well, there are loads that have no symptoms like Chylamidia, I've gotten tested a few times just for the all clear, actually last time I did they nurse in the clinic gave out as i had no symptoms, jesus like they should be glad people actually pay attention to their sexual health, not chastising you for a checkup.

No-one is suggesting Pill only for casual sex, in fairness.

Honey-ec

BD000 wrote: »

On a separate note I have two questions, and this is gonna sound pretty lame, but how much different is it without condoms, I use durex extra safe and I still think the sex is amazin, and also, is sex without condoms really messy? i imagine that there would be precum and cum all over the sheats and then wouldnt there be sperm inside her that eventually comes an all thatt? like sex with condoms can still be a messy thing but I would have thought that if we were havin sex without condoms reguarly you would have to be washin the bed clothes everyday :P

I'm guessing you're quite young, OP.

You come inside her. She gets up, goes to the bathroom and cleans up. You get the odd spot on the sheets but that's it.

Just tell her to practice her pelvic floor exercises so she can hold it in, so to speak...

Mickey Dazzler

floggg wrote: »

The pull out aka skeeting (for all you Lil Jon fans) is a notoriously ineffective method of contraception. Maybe you just are infertile. Congrats?

No offence, but never take contraception advice from anybody who says your chances of getting pregnant from [insert contraception method here]* are zilch.

*abstinence excepted.

Notoriously ineffective?? Really? What nonsense. Ill informed scaremongering.

"For couples that use coitus interruptus correctly at every act of intercourse, the failure rate is 4% per year. In comparison the pill has a perfect-use failure rate of 0.3%, and the I.U.D. has a perfect-use failure rate of 0.6%. The condom has a perfect-use failure rate of 2%"

Only 2% difference between the pull out method and using condoms. Would you describe the use of condoms notoriously ineffective? You need to educate yourself about theses issues before you dispense nonsense advice on line.

Start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coitus_interruptus


It does take a lot of self control but if practiced every time without fail works just fine.

Joey the lips

We dont use the pill. We dont use condoms unless its the unsafe time as calculated by various ovalation charts.

However we are "together" i think We dont share body fluids with anyone else.

Its all about risk. Her getting pregnant would not devistate her having said that she does not want to.

If the risk is high continue to use both. No method of contraception is 100%

However if you want to go bareback the general rule out there is one week before a period and one week after. We used to go like 2-3 days before and after just to play it a little safer.

btw. You never dry up all the siemen from my understanding

ted1

The withdrawal method sucks. Cuming inside her is the best moment, why do people stop and deny themselves this moment?

Malari

ted1 wrote: »

The withdrawal method sucks. Cuming inside her is the best moment, why do people stop and deny themselves this moment?

Babyphobia.

Daveysil15

krudler wrote: »

I've gotten tested a few times just for the all clear, actually last time I did they nurse in the clinic gave out as i had no symptoms, jesus like they should be glad people actually pay attention to their sexual health, not chastising you for a checkup.

Jesus I'm surprised at that. Doesn't she know there are some STI's that have no symptoms?

ted1 wrote: »

The withdrawal method sucks. Cuming inside her is the best moment, why do people stop and deny themselves this moment?

Some people like to cum on their partner, just like they do in porn. What ever floats your boat.

Mickey Dazzler

ted1 wrote: »

The withdrawal method sucks. Cuming inside her is the best moment, why do people stop and deny themselves this moment?

It is a great feeling indeed but so is shooting your load on her....

walshb

Pembily wrote: »

I didn't realise the withdrawal method was used. How is that a form of contraception? It really is Russian roulette...

Kids are for life.

I always found the pill effective against pregnancy. STDs are a different story.

It's not complete protection but withdrawing before you ejaculate is still a lot more effective than not withdrawing. So, in that sense it's a form of contraception.

walshb

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

It is a great feeling indeed but so is shooting your load on her....

Stop, you charmer!

Gauss

The one method I hate is the pill, I find it makes women lose their libido.

jaffacakesyum

Gauss wrote: »

The one method I hate is the pill, I find it makes women lose their libido.

Could be the women, mate. Me and most of my friends are on the pill and we're all still horny fúckers :P

walshb

jaffacakesyum wrote: »

Could be the women, mate. Me and most of my friends are on the pill and we're all still horny fúckers :P

That's what your mates "tell" you.

jaffacakesyum

walshb wrote: »

That's what your mates "tell" you.

Lol trust me. :pac: Could be the age group though. I'm talking 20-30 here.

Esoteric_

Since I'm presuming that OP and his partner don't have STDs, if you want to double up on contraception and still not use condoms, what about a non-hormonal coil (IUD) and the pill?

With my last long term boyfriend, I used the pill alone for over a year and never had a pregnancy scare. That said, I was extremely rigorous about taking it as I never want children.

benchppress

If you remove the STI factor:

Mirena coil is the best form of contraception imo.

Cheaper long term than the COCP.

krudler

Daveysil15 wrote: »

Jesus I'm surprised at that. Doesn't she know there are some STI's that have no symptoms?

You'd think an STD clinic of all places would be glad people are paying more attention and not just riding around with no protection.

Honey-ec

The pill isn't an automatic libido killer. There are literally dozens of different types on the market, all with varying dosages of hormones, and all of them will affect different women in different ways. There's no reason to suffer loss of your sex drive just because you're on the pill.

Anyway, regarding the whole withdrawal thing - yes, it's great fun to come on your partner sometimes, but I love the intimacy of taking things to their natural conclusion. I'm finding it very hard to articulate this properly, but a committed relationship where the man pulls out every single time? It just wouldn't be for me.

Liam McPoyle

Totally agree with H-ec,for me,cumming inside my partner is as intimate as it can possibly get.

Also,re the potential "mess" from not using condoms,ime,there was never anything major after it,maybe a little bit of leakage but vagina's are pretty deep and designed as a receptacle for semen so its was always minimal.

benchppress

I always thought the majority of mess came from her side, perhaps I have a small semen volume

sam34

Honey-ec wrote: »

Anyway, regarding the whole withdrawal thing - yes, it's great fun to come on your partner sometimes, but I love the intimacy of taking things to their natural conclusion. I'm finding it very hard to articulate this properly, but a committed relationship where the man pulls out every single time? It just wouldn't be for me.

+1. it's grand the odd time, depending on the mood, but if it were to be every time... no thanks. that, IMO and (unfortunately)IME interferes with intimacy far too much.

Stheno

benchppress wrote: »

If you remove the STI factor:

Mirena coil is the best form of contraception imo.

Cheaper long term than the COCP.

If the woman can cope with it, Depo provera is probably better.

benchppress

why? you have to get an injection every 12 weeks

in the life cycle of the mirena coil that would be 21 injections

21 times you'd have to go to the pharmacist, buy the depo and then queue to se a doctor to stick it in you.

YumCha

Also - if you have a bad reaction to it, there's nothing you can do but wait it out... and that's a total dealbreaker if you've ever had serious side effects from contraception previously. At least the Mirena can be removed.

Hay_man

What about the bar implant in the arm, is it not the most reliable to having a 100% no chance of pregnancy ?

Girlfriend is thinking of getting this fitted and dropping condoms completely

Giselle

Honey-ec wrote: »

No, I think he meant withdrawal on its own. Otherwise known as Russian Roulette.

I believe the technical term is Catholic Roulette.

njs030

Hay_man wrote: »

What about the bar implant in the arm, is it not the most reliable to having a 100% no chance of pregnancy ?

Girlfriend is thinking of getting this fitted and dropping condoms completely

It's the most effective, the doctor told me the only women that have been pregnant with it were already pregnant before it was put in but didn't know.
The downside is it affects fertility so doctors are reluctant to put it in unless the woman is fairly certain her family is finished. Plus it leaves scars! Not suitable at all for a young woman.

Edit to add there is NO 100% effective contraception. None. People need to stop saying there is!!

Honey-ec

benchppress wrote: »

If you remove the STI factor:

Mirena coil is the best form of contraception imo.

Cheaper long term than the COCP.

Stheno wrote: »

If the woman can cope with it, Depo provera is probably better.

If you remove the STI factor, the best form of contraception is one that works for the individual in question. There is no one-size-fits-all solution.

Depo Provera just doesn't appeal to me.

The implant is great for some people, others have nothing but trouble with it and end up having to get it removed.

I've been on the same brand of Pill for 10 years with no issues. My sister nearly went round the twist after three months on it.

The IUD *can* (not will) increase your risk of ectopic pregnancies.

Taking efficacy statistics out of it, it's virtually impossible to say that one form of non-barrier contraception is "better" than another.

Esoteric_

notjustsweet wrote: »

It's the most effective, the doctor told me the only women that have been pregnant with it were already pregnant before it was put in but didn't know.
The downside is it affects fertility so doctors are reluctant to put it in unless the woman is fairly certain her family is finished. Plus it leaves scars! Not suitable at all for a young woman.

Edit to add there is NO 100% effective contraception. None. People need to stop saying there is!!

Not all doctors are reluctant to put it in. I'm 23 and have never had children (and already have a decreased chance of having children from PCOS) and my doctor specifically recommended the implant to me. Bit nervous now!:eek:

Honey-ec

LyndaMcL wrote: »

Not all doctors are reluctant to put it in. I'm 23 and have never had children (and already have a decreased chance of having children from PCOS) and my doctor specifically recommended the implant to me. Bit nervous now!:eek:

Don't be. At the risk of being infracted, pretty much everything Notjustsweet said about the implant is bullsh!t. It has no more long-term effect on your fertility than any other type of hormonal contraception.

And I would dearly love to know what doctor told him/her that "the only women that have been pregnant with it were already pregnant before it was put in but didn't know", considering you start all hormonal contraception at a certain phase in your cycle specifically so that you know you're not pregnant.