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Keano

2 more sleeps!

link_2007

Keano A Legend wrote: »

2 more sleeps!

None for insomniacs!

CONSI

Hope it's a good one, think the Americans have some real momentum going into this years event though, some of the European team are not playing well at the moment

slave1

My waters are telling me a US victory....

RikkFlair

Hope I'm wrong but a USA win 16-12 is my prediction

80s Child

Can't see past the US team at the min. Still, this is why we love sport, anything can happen!

Bring on the Rory and Tiger showdown!

kiers47

When asked a week ago i said Europe had no chance!!

1 week on i have convinced myself the complete opposite. They haven't a chance of beating us. This is our game, our tournament, Seve's tournament (Do it for Seve i say).
Anyway they couldn't possibly beat us with 4 rookies!! Maybe I'm delusional in anticipation.

Wouldn't be the first time we shocked as under dogs!!!

Looking forward to see who Rory and Gmac end up playing on friday?

Trampas

We should have a few polls on how many times we here "Get in the hole" or You're the man"

I don't mind the cheering extra loud but fk me them 2 sentences do my head in. Especially get in the hole when teeing off on a par 5.

I think it will be close. 1st day will be big. Weather looks good for the week

Keano

We should have a drinking game! We'd be hammered after watching 5 holes!!

I think Europe can do enough to retain it, as for winning it I'm still not sure. My head and heart are telling me different things!

kiers47

Keano A Legend wrote: »

We should have a drinking game! We'd be hammered after watching 5 holes!!

I think Europe can do enough to retain it, as for winning it I'm still not sure. My head and heart are telling me different things!

Are you predicting a draw so Keano?

link_2007

Trampas wrote: »

We should have a few polls on how many times we here "Get in the hole" or You're the man"

It amazes me how the players can block it out and ignore it. I sit on the couch telling them to shut the **** up so to be within ear shot of it must be very annoying.

If (when!) I am a pro and some flute shouts "MASHED POTATO" when I tee off, I'd don't think I would be able to stop myself from sending him down the fairway after the ball with a kick in the arse.

Keano

kiers47 wrote: »

Are you predicting a draw so Keano?

I guess I am :pac:

kiers47

Keano A Legend wrote: »

I guess I am :pac:

I was actually thinking about that last night. Who knows i guess golf is a strange game!!

RikkFlair

kiers47 wrote: »

Anyway they couldn't possibly beat us with 4 rookies!! Maybe I'm delusional in anticipation.

They had 6 rookies in 08 and won easily.

ssbob

Think the US will win but it will be close, can't see Kaymer beating any of the US team on current form and think big Nick Colsearts will find the going tough in the US as a rookie, will be easier for the US rookies as they are on home soil. Paul Lawrie is also technically a rookie seeing that he hasn't played in this event since 99 and also plays hardly any golf in the US. We are lucky though to have 3 very good pairings:

1. Rory/Gmac
2. Westwood/Donald
3. Rose/Poulter

These 6 players will play all 5 matches and I would put a bet on that so will Sergio but not sure who you'd pair him with.

GetInTheHole!

Trampas wrote: »

We should have a few polls on how many times we here "Get in the hole" or You're the man"

I don't mind the cheering extra loud but fk me them 2 sentences do my head in. Especially get in the hole when teeing off on a par 5.

I think it will be close. 1st day will be big. Weather looks good for the week

Eh what the problem???

rrpc

ssbob wrote: »

Think the US will win but it will be close, can't see Kaymer beating any of the US team on current form and think big Nick Colsearts will find the going tough in the US as a rookie, will be easier for the US rookies as they are on home soil. Paul Lawrie is also technically a rookie seeing that he hasn't played in this event since 99 and also plays hardly any golf in the US. We are lucky though to have 3 very good pairings:

1. Rory/Gmac
2. Westwood/Donald
3. Rose/Poulter

These 6 players will play all 5 matches and I would put a bet on that so will Sergio but not sure who you'd pair him with.

Or maybe bring back the old Westwood/Garcia pairing and put Donald with Colsaerts or Lawrie.

ssbob

rrpc wrote: »

Or maybe bring back the old Westwood/Garcia pairing and put Donald with Colsaerts or Lawrie.

Wouldn't be a fan of Westwood and Garcia as their strengths are too similar but Donald and Colsearts might work, Donald would find himself in places he would never be in the golf course, approx 40 yards ahead of his drives! But still think the 3 pairing's I have outlined will be definites and then I personally would go for Hanson & Lawrie so as to get our strongest out first and get off to a good start!

rrpc

Same table I did on the other thread but with the Fourballs and Foursomes separated out.

A lot of the US team have very poor records indeed. Sergio has to be the all time best with only two losses in 19 matches!

Team EUROPE|Total (W-L-H)|Fours (W-L-H)|Singles (W-L-H)|Win Ratio
Nicolas Colsaerts| - | - | - | -
Luke Donald|8-2-1|6-1-1|2-1-0|73%
Sergio Garcia|14-6-4|13-2-4|1-4-0|58%
Peter Hanson|1-2-0|1-1-0|0-1-0|33%
Martin Kaymer|2-1-1|2-0-1|0-1-0|50%
Paul Lawrie|3-1-1|2-1-1|1-0-0|60%
Graeme McDowell|4-2-2|2-2-2|2-0-0|50%
Rory McIlroy|1-1-2|1-1-1|0-0-1|25%
Francesco Molinari|0-2-1|0-1-0|0-1-0|0%
Ian Poulter|8-3-0|5-3-0|3-0-0|73%
Justin Rose|3-1-0|2-0-0|1-1-0|75%
Lee Westwood|16-11-6|14-6-6|2-5-0|49%
Total|60-32-18|48-18-17|12-14-1|55%


Team USA|Total (W-L-H)|Fours (W-L-H)|Singles (W-L-H)|Win Ratio

Keegan Bradley| - | - | - | -
Jason Dufner| - | - | - | -
Jim Furyk|8-15-4|4-13-3|4-2-1|30%
Dustin Johnson|1-3-0|0-3-0|1-0-0|25%
Zach Johnson|3-3-1|2-2-1|1-1-0|43%
Matt Kuchar|1-1-2|1-0-2|0-1-0|25%
Phil Mickelson|11-17-6|7-13-6|4-4-0|32%
Brandt Snedeker| - | - | - | -
Webb Simpson| - | - | - | -
Steve Stricker|3-3-1|2-2-1|1-1-0|43%
Bubba Watson|1-3-0|1-2-0|0-1-0|25%
Tiger Woods|13-14-2|9-13-1|4-1-1|45%
Total|41-59-16|26-48-14|15-11-2|35%

endabob1

ssbob wrote: »

Think the US will win but it will be close, can't see Kaymer beating any of the US team on current form and think big Nick Colsearts will find the going tough in the US as a rookie, will be easier for the US rookies as they are on home soil. Paul Lawrie is also technically a rookie seeing that he hasn't played in this event since 99 and also plays hardly any golf in the US. We are lucky though to have 3 very good pairings:

1. Rory/Gmac
2. Westwood/Donald
3. Rose/Poulter

These 6 players will play all 5 matches and I would put a bet on that so will Sergio but not sure who you'd pair him with.

I think he'll mix it up a wee bit more than that; Day 1 Foursomes I would expect those 3 pairs with Garcia & maybe Molinari
After that I think Olly will look to give everyone a game which means he'll have to rotate quite a bit to keep his strongest 4 (Rory, Donald, Rose & Westwood) out as much as possible. That said Westwood was in shocking form at the tour Champs last weekend so he might not play all 5.
Colsaerts is a good matchplay player, I think he'll see action in the Fourballs especially, pair him with someone conservative so he can let fly.
Kaymer is the one everyone is worried about.

I think we need a 3/4 point lead going into the Sunday, I think the US will blast us off the park in the singles

ssbob

rrpc wrote: »

Tiger Woods|13-14-2|

Tiger's record isn't as bad as everyone makes out is it? At that rate he is a guaranteed 3pts over the course fo the event, I would take that for every player!

endabob1 wrote: »

with Garcia & maybe Molinari

Again, both are poor putters so that's why I reckon we have seen Garcia paired with Lawrie for practice as Paul has been in fine form on the greens!

AGC

kiers47 wrote: »

Anyway they couldn't possibly beat us with 4 rookies!! Maybe I'm delusional in anticipation.

Think the days of rookies not knowing what to expect are gone, certainly in America.

Previously players(mainly European) may never have played in the States and may not be used to the crowds but if you look at the 4 American rookies:

Bradley: Major Champion
Simpson: Major Champion
Snedeker: Fedex Champion and 2 wins this year
Dufner: 2 wins and a runner up this year, also in a major playoff

When you look at who they have left out it is clear they won't have an issue with rookies standing up to the test

rrpc

ssbob wrote: »

Tiger's record isn't as bad as everyone makes out is it? At that rate he is a guaranteed 3pts over the course fo the event, I would take that for every player!

I calculate his stats at 2 points. His win ratio is about 45% and if he plays all five matches that's just over 2 points. His halved matches are too small to be statistically relevant.

I think I see another column being added to that table

ssbob

rrpc wrote: »

I calculate his stats at 2 points. His win ratio is about 45% and if he plays all five matches that's just over 2 points. His halved matches are too small to be statistically relevant.

I think I see another column being added to that table

My apologies, I was looking at the loss column as being the halved matches, so in actual fact for the No. 1 golfer in the world when he was playing all of his previous Ryder Cups, his record is not great is it?

Add another column, I love stat's

kiers47

AGC wrote: »

Think the days of rookies not knowing what to expect are gone, certainly in America.

Previously players(mainly European) may never have played in the States and may not be used to the crowds but if you look at the 4 American rookies:

Bradley: Major Champion
Simpson: Major Champion
Snedeker: Fedex Champion and 2 wins this year
Dufner: 2 wins and a runner up this year, also in a major playoff

When you look at who they have left out it is clear they won't have an issue with rookies standing up to the test

It was more of a laughable statement than a fact. Perhaps its hard to convey what i was saying in text.

Was going for a "they couldnt possibly beat us with 4 rookies haha, Could they?"

AGC

kiers47 wrote: »

It was more of a laughable statement than a fact. Perhaps its hard to convey what i was saying in text.

Was going for a "they couldnt possibly beat us with 4 rookies haha, Could they?"

You'll never win anything with kids.

rrpc

ssbob wrote: »

My apologies, I was looking at the loss column as being the halved matches, so in actual fact for the No. 1 golfer in the world when he was playing all of his previous Ryder Cups, his record is not great is it?

Add another column, I love stat's

Column added

Pretty impressive stats when looked at that way. A lot of the European guys are well over 50%, and only a handful under that. Rory McIlroy!!!!

DiegoWorst

ssbob wrote: »

Think the US will win but it will be close, can't see Kaymer beating any of the US team on current form and think big Nick Colsearts will find the going tough in the US as a rookie, will be easier for the US rookies as they are on home soil. Paul Lawrie is also technically a rookie seeing that he hasn't played in this event since 99 and also plays hardly any golf in the US. We are lucky though to have 3 very good pairings:

1. Rory/Gmac
2. Westwood/Donald
3. Rose/Poulter

These 6 players will play all 5 matches and I would put a bet on that so will Sergio but not sure who you'd pair him with.

If I remember correctly, Lawrie had a really good Ryder Cup in 99. Ol' Chippy is not the sort of player you'd want to face in a matchplay.

Jimdagym

What time is the live coverage on from on friday anybody?

JCDUB

Westwood and Donald shot 59 in the fourball practice yesterday lads, superb shooting, surely they'll get a look-in together?

Also Gmac and Rory will be out together, and with a bit of luck we might see Rory and Tiger in a singles show-down.

Americans have set themselves up as favourites, which suits us. Also, fairways are cut wicked wide apparently, which Olly was happy about.

I think they'll do it for Seve!!

rrpc

Jimdagym wrote: »

What time is the live coverage on from on friday anybody?

12:30pm on Sky (or so the almost omnipresent ads on Sky tell me :rolleyes:)

Predictions are always going to be difficult with so many rookies on the USA team, but I feel that with Europe's singles record, we have to be at least 3 ahead going into the singles.

ssbob

DiegoWorst wrote: »

If I remember correctly, Lawrie had a really good Ryder Cup in 99. Ol' Chippy is not the sort of player you'd want to face in a matchplay.

He did play great in '99 but it's been so long for him that I reckon it'll be like a new experience. He also had a semi-final at the volvo world matchplay. I hope he does well because he is a likeable character.

Skysports coverage @ 12.30 Foursomes & @ 6.30 for Fourballs

RikkFlair

This is the European team according to the RTE website. I'm hugely confused...



http://www.rte.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/2012/0920/338378-ryder-cup-meet-the-teams-europe/

charlieIRL

RikkFlair wrote: »

This is the European team according to the RTE website. I'm hugely confused...



http://www.rte.ie/sport/golf/ryder-cup/2012/0920/338378-ryder-cup-meet-the-teams-europe/

thats their caddies!

ssbob

charlieIRL wrote: »

thats their caddies!

Why is there 14 caddie's? Can anyone name them? I cane see JP & Terry Mundy & Ken Comboy but other than that I really wouldn't know!

Keano

They bring some reserves just in case someone gets ill.

kiers47

ssbob wrote: »

Why is there 14 caddie's? Can anyone name them? I cane see JP & Terry Mundy & Ken Comboy but other than that I really wouldn't know!

I see John McLaren. Would only know a few though. Knew the 3 you mentioned.

charlieIRL

Keano A Legend wrote: »

They bring some reserves just in case someone gets ill.

like spare trousers.........in case they get a hole in one!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D

RikkFlair

charlieIRL wrote: »

thats their caddies!

Yeah I know, although to be fair the only one I recognised was McIlroys caddie. I see they've changed the pic now

deko43

Just looked at the teams and for some reason I have a feeling that the Europeans are going to get their ass wupped.

ionadnapokot

A Full and inaccurate prediction! Europe to win though.

FRIDAY FOURSOMES (½ v 3 ½)
Jim Furyk/Brandt Snedeker v Luke Donald / Sergio Garcia Win
Tiger Woods/Steve Stricker v Ian Poulter/Justin Rose Win
Matt Kuchar/ Jason Dufner v Rory McIlroy /Graeme McDowell Win
half Keegan Bradley/Phil Mickelson v Lee Westwood/ Paul Lawrie half
Total: (½ v 3 ½)
FRIDAY FOUR-BALL (2 ½ v 1 ½)
Win Bubba Watson-Brandt Snedeker v Ian Poulter-Peter Hanson
Tiger Woods-Steve Stricker v Rory McIlroy-Graeme McDowell Win
half Webb Simpson–Dustin Johnston v Luke Donald-Nicolas Colsaerts half
Win Zach Johnson-Phil Mickelson v Martin Kaymer- Francesco Molinari
Total: (3 v 5)
SATURDAY FOURSOMES (1½ v 2 ½)
Win Tiger Woods/Steve Stricker v Luke Donald/Lee Westwood
half Jason Dufner / Zach Johnson v Sergio Garcia / Paul Lawrie half
Keegan Bradley/Phil Mickelson v Rory McIlroy /Graeme McDowell Win
Jim Furyk/Brandt Snedeker v Ian Poulter/Justin Rose Win
Total: (4 ½ v 7½ )
SATURDAY FOUR-BALL (2 v 2)
half Zach Johnson - Dustin Johnston v Luke Donald -Nicolas Colsaerts half
Win Matt Kuchar- Jason Dufner v Peter Hanson-Paul Lawrie
Bubba Watson - Brandt Snedeker v Lee Westwood - Sergio Garcia Win
half Webb Simpson / Jim Furyk v Ian Poulter - Francesco Molinari half
Total: (6 ½ v 9 ½ )
SUNDAY SINGLES (6 v 6)
Brandt Snedeker V Ian Poulter Win
Bubba Watson V Rory McIlroy Win
Win Tiger Woods V Sergio Garcia
Win Steve Stricker V Francesco Molinari
Win Webb Simpson V Martin Kaymer
half Dustin Johnston V Lee Westwood half
Win Zach Johnson V Nicolas Colsaerts
Jason DufnerV Justin Rose Win
half Matt Kuchar V Peter Hanson half
Win Keegan Bradley V Paul Lawrie
Phil Mickelson V Luke Donald Win
Jim Furyk V Graeme McDowell Win
Total: (12½ v 15 ½ )

Leslie91

Keano A Legend wrote: »

They bring some reserves just in case someone gets ill.

Is that true?... there are sub caddies?. Really?.

PARlance

What would happen if a player got injured before the singles?
Are there replacement players, or would match be conceded/tied?

ssbob

ajcurry123 wrote: »

What would happen if a player got injured before the singles?
Are there replacement players, or would match be conceded/tied?

It's a tie game normally through sportsmanship.

Keano

Leslie91 wrote: »

Is that true?... there are sub caddies?. Really?.

I don't know for sure but I'm sure that's why they are there.

Dolph Starbeam

Looking forward to this so much. Had convinced myself all year that the USA would walk it but now I really do think Europe can do it. I really feel if we can go into Sunday with a 3 point lead we can at least retain the cup.

Going to be a great few days either way, set up for an excellent few days of golf.

staker

"Colin how do you make a wonderful guy(Davis Love) a good captain?"

Monty-"Why you askin me?"

At least he knows he's an arsehole:D

clappyhappy

Official opening ceremony about to tee off, really looking forward to a great weekend of golf. Think Europe will do it, but hope its a great battle.

Alan Andrews

it just doesnt have the same buzz when its not happening near you... i'm sure we'll all be cranked up by sunday tho
its gonna be close

GetInTheHole!

Ah.

WTF just happened there???

Mars Bar

GetInTheHole! wrote: »

Ah.

WTF just happened there???

It was like a weird Presidential Speech...