Help setting up server

MagicSean

I'm looking at making my Tekkit server public and I'm hoping to get some help with my set up. I have been testing it for a few weeks and have found some problems. I'll be using essentials and permission as well as safecreeper. I've been using core protect and lockette but have run into problems. Core protect cannot identify explosion damage in some instances (lasers most likely) and I cannot get lockette to work with condensers and the like.

So here's what I'm asking for help with.

- Suggestions for replacements or fixes for lockette and core protect

- Suggestions for other plugins I should have

- Help blacklisting recipes. I have no idea how to do this.

- Suggestions on what recipes to ban

- Help setting up permissions. I currently have only member and admin. I'd like to try set it up as follows
1. New user - Only able to look around
2. Member - Able to build stuff
3. Trusted - Able to use blacklisted stuff
4. Mod - Able to identify griefers and ban
5. Admin - Able to rollback and spawn stuff

I'd appreciate any help ye could give me at all. Maybe this thread might help others who want to set up servers too.

I'm also looking for admins, mods and builders if anyone with experience wants to apply.

niallmcs

Hello Sean, I would like to wish you all the best with your server, hope it all goes well. I'm going share what little bit of experience I have with you in regard to the problems you seem to be facing.

Blacklisting Items
As regards Help blacklisting recipes, I would recommend "DisableCraft", it would be seen as the popular choice - DisableCraft

Another option would be a plugin called "TekkitRestrict", it is actually a very useful plugin, it prevents many well know dupes, you can limit timers to a minimum set time and you can ban items. A feature which I was very interested in was the ability to limit the amount a certain item e.g. quarry, is placed. I would highly recommend reading up on this plugin, as it has a lot of features to offer which would be beneficial to your server - TekkitRestrict

It would also suggest that you have a look at your config files for RedPower, BuildCraft and IndustrialCraft, as they themselves offer some features such as blacklisting items in machines and native disabling of items/blocks.

Permissions
As regard permission, I would recommend the PermissionsEx/Pex plugin, you could create these groups:

• "New User" with no permissions, therefore they can just walk around and will be denied permission to break blocks
• "Member" Add pemissions like "modifyworld" and other essentials permissions (many found here )
• "Trusted" You could give this group the ability to bypass disablecraft
• "Mod" give this group the ability to use the logging tool e.g. coreprotect, and allow the ban command
• "Admin" you can give this user all powers with this string "'.'"

Very helpful literature in regard to permissions:
Basic
Advanced
PermissionEx example Configuration with groups listed - Very useful!

Other Plugins
You have asked for recommendations for other plugins, I would suggest using HeroChat as a chat plugin, you can add many different types of channels for chatting e.g. local (within 100 blocks), Global, Staff VIP and many more. - HeroChat (requires Vault to run properly)

I would suggest there is no need for Safecreeper, as creeper damage can be disabled within essentials.

BorderGuard can be used to put a size limit on your map e.g. "5000x5000" blocks. Therefore meaning people can't build too far out. - BorderGuard

Depending on the amount of RAM you have to spare, many other interesting and fun plugins could be added e.g. spleef arenas, king of the ladder, capture the flag and many more.

I hope some of this information will help you is some way to making your server better, if you have any problem in understanding anything I have posted here, please do not hesitate in replying or sending a PM

Kenno90

Hi Man, If there is anything i can help you out with PM me.

Niall did a great job recommending plugins, we used PermissionsEX , DisableCraft
on our server.

As Niall said you don't need Safe Creeper , just disable their damage in Essentials

Looking back on our server we banned alot of things, simply because we were afraid they'd cause a huge amount of damage. Having your permissions set up like that is great. Though allow mods to spawn and upgrade permissions. The bulk of the players should be trusted players

One thing i'll say to you is limit EE, i know many people will complain about me saying that but if you want lasting appeal, nerf it.

You'll also need a good anti grief plugin, we had a very hard time finding one that worked for us, plenty of them caused severe lag.

Also what kind of server have you got, i need specs :P

Solitaire

What kind of connection do you have Sean? Upload speed in particular?

MagicSean

Currently hosted with DaddyCheese. 1GB. I'll have to check the speeds when I get home and have a look at those plugins.

Thanks

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

Currently hosted with DaddyCheese. 1GB. I'll have to check the speeds when I get home and have a look at those plugins.

Thanks

With 1GB i'd say limit/disable world anchors, they keep a large areas of the world loaded so machines can keep running.

How many people do you plan on holding at the one time

MagicSean

Kenno90 wrote: »

MagicSean wrote: »

Currently hosted with DaddyCheese. 1GB. I'll have to check the speeds when I get home and have a look at those plugins.

Thanks

With 1GB i'd say limit/disable world anchors, they keep a large areas of the world loaded so machines can keep running.

How many people do you plan on holding at the one time

Definitely banning world anchors. Already had to roll back a world because someone left stuff overflowing. I'll be limiting collectors and relays too. Some people get diamond fever.

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

Definitely banning world anchors. Already had to roll back a world because someone left stuff overflowing. I'll be limiting collectors and arrays too. Some people get diamond fever.

I can't stand when people do that, i've heard using redpower tubes as they cant overflow, though i've never actually used them.

Limiting collectors and arrays is a good move, i did a test on my soon to be dead server (:() and found that the mark 2 and 3 are too over powered. The mark ones will give you a few diamonds but if there are no world anchors then they can't be abused.

So consider disabling Energy Collectors and Dark Matter Relays (Mark II & III)

Kenno90

Also since dropped items are a nightmare, look into installing this plugin

It stacks all dropped items of the same type into a stack , within a 4 block radius.

Great for performance

Solitaire

People dumb enough to let factory systems overflow without having an item hoover (alch chest + black hole band, or even just a powered obsidian pipe) deserve to get their wrists firmly slapped. Had that problem on the last Tekkit server, people need to wise up and add hoovers to their factory systems.

MagicSean

This is why I'll be limiting collectors. Now imagine all that diamond being pumped into four chests. Wasn't long overflowing.

MagicSean

I've started things going. It'll be slow due to work. The Tekkitrestrict is good. I've limited the Mk1 Collectors and Relays and disable Mk 2 and 3. Also limited quarries to one per persopn. At least i think i did. I'll have to wait to test it. Another thing the plugin allows is to limit the charge on items like the destruction catlyst and morningstar to a certain percentage.

In relation to the lockette plugin, I noticed on the Boards server it worked with all chests. I can't figure out how to do this or find it on the bukkit forums. Any ideas? i've also seen another plugin used that makes all placed chests automatically private as well as furnaces and the like. Anyone know what it's called?

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

I've started things going. It'll be slow due to work. The Tekkitrestrict is good. I've limited the Mk1 Collectors and Relays and disable Mk 2 and 3. Also limited quarries to one per persopn. At least i think i did. I'll have to wait to test it. Another thing the plugin allows is to limit the charge on items like the destruction catlyst and morningstar to a certain percentage.

In relation to the lockette plugin, I noticed on the Boards server it worked with all chests. I can't figure out how to do this or find it on the bukkit forums. Any ideas? i've also seen another plugin used that makes all placed chests automatically private as well as furnaces and the like. Anyone know what it's called?

I can help you with the lockette plug in , I have the config files somewhere

MagicSean

Kenno90 wrote: »

I can help you with the lockette plug in , I have the config files somewhere

That'd be great. My biggest trials will be building a good spawn and getting the permissions right. I also need to find an item code list of things recommended to ban.

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

That'd be great. My biggest trials will be building a good spawn and getting the permissions right. I also need to find an item code list of things recommended to ban.

Right here is a list of the things we banned, should give you some ideas

Nukes (the block that makes big holes) - self explanatory.
Catalytic Lens - Block breaking
Destruction Catalyst - Block breaking
Hyperkinetic Lens - Block breaking
Mercurial Eye - Spamming materials
Ring of Ignition - Lots of fire
Ring of Arcana - Lots of fire
Volcanite Amulet - Spam lava
Nova Catalyst - Huge explosion
Nova Cataclysm - Huge explosion
Infernal Armor - Spammable explosions
Abyss Helmet - Spammable lightning bolts
Red Morningstar - Spammable big holes.

There is much more, but anything that affects the entire server is dangerous
=========================================================

For Lockette, you can enter a custom block list in the config file, so lockette signs can be placed on any blocks, and will stop an unwanted user from interacting with it

E.G
custom-lockable-block-list:
- <ID of Condenser>
- <ID of Diamond Chest


Hope these help

Solitaire

Watch of flowing time or w/e was also removed from the last server due to issues.

Pedestals (yet another EE item!) should be limited or banned. Not sure how they behave in SMP but they could be used to make traps (albeit with a limited attack radius) if set with Archangel's Smite, and much more worrying can be used as a VERY powerful lightning-spam trap if set with Swiftwolf.

Kenno90

Solitaire wrote: »

Watch of flowing time or w/e was also removed from the last server due to issues.

Pedestals (yet another EE item!) should be limited or banned. Not sure how they behave in SMP but they could be used to make traps (albeit with a limited attack radius) if set with Archangel's Smite, and much more worrying can be used as a VERY powerful lightning-spam trap if set with Swiftwolf.

The good thing is, without all these collectors and relays getting those items are much harder.

Doubt i'll see everyone rocking red armour after 3 days

MagicSean

What i'd like is to make the following only available to Admins and above:
Nukes
Catalytic Lens
Hyperkinetic Lens
Mercurial Eye
Ring of Ignition
Ring of Arcana
Volcanite Amulet
Nova Catalyst
Nova Cataclysm
Infernal Armor
Abyss Helmet
Watch of Flowing Time
World anchor

These for Trusted and above:
Red Morningstar
Laser
Destruction Catalyst
Archangel Smite

If i use diablecraft it removes the recipe from the server. It says something about setting permissions but the authors English aint great and it's hard to follow. Any ideas?

Solitaire

Don't forget to add Swiftwolf, Evertide Amulet and possibly Red Katar to the Trusted list!

Kenno90

Solitaire wrote: »

Don't forget to add Swiftwolf, Evertide Amulet and possibly Red Katar to the Trusted list!

Exactly, So what happens if a trusted player handed over a red katar to a noob.

Could they pick it up and use it ??

niallmcs

Kenno90 wrote: »

Exactly, So what happens if a trusted player handed over a red katar to a noob.

Could they pick it up and use it ??

I could be wrong kenno, but I think DisableCraft has a Scanner inbuilt, therefore if someone was to have an item they are not meant to have, it would be removed from their inventory. Im not sure if it works correctly, but it would be worth checking.

Kenno90

niallmcs wrote: »

I could be wrong kenno, but I think DisableCraft has a Scanner inbuilt, therefore if someone was to have an item they are not meant to have, it would be removed from their inventory. Im not sure if it works correctly, but it would be worth checking.

Believe me that is laggy as hell, you set it to a certain time, but any time less than a few minutes is painful

MagicSean

I think I've gotten all the plugins set up. I may have missed some permissions but it's looking good so far. Just one question. Can you promote people to different PermissionsEx groups ingame?

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

I think I've gotten all the plugins set up. I may have missed some permissions but it's looking good so far. Just one question. Can you promote people to different PermissionsEx groups ingame?

Yes you can, you can also demote them aswell.

If you release this server to the public, i demand to be a trusted player :P

niallmcs

As kenno said, you can promote users and set users into specific groups, just follow the pex guides I posted: link
For Promoting:

• /pex user AnotherPlayer group set default
• Verify that the promotion/demotion queue is working by using /pex promote AnotherPlayer. You should see "User AnotherPlayer promoted to NextGroup"

MagicSean

Anyone interested in helping me test the permissions and restrictions tomorrow before I go live in the evening?

Farcheal

MagicSean wrote: »

Anyone interested in helping me test the permissions and restrictions tomorrow before I go live in the evening?

Send us the ip in a PM and I'll help you out

AirBiscuit

If I have internet by then, sure. I've caused many's a headache over faulty permissions...

Kenno90

I'll help if needed

MagicSean

Unable to get the server working at all at the moment. I'll have to reupload.

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

Unable to get the server working at all at the moment. I'll have to reupload.

What kind of errors you getting ?

MagicSean

Server up now. Cant promote people. Can anyone check my permissions and see if anything pops out?

http://www.mediafire.com/?ud7ddh48ncrlgz8

Also, anyone wanna be whitelisted?

MagicSean

Kenno90 wrote: »

What kind of errors you getting ?

The problem was the server host kept creating a minecraft.jar so I just renamed mine.

MagicSean

Still struggling with the permissions. Here's my permissions file

http://pastebin.com/kLJFaykW

I've fixed any problems I could find but now whenever I type a command in pex it just gives me a list of all pex commands.

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

Still struggling with the permissions. Here's my permissions file

http://pastebin.com/kLJFaykW

I've fixed any problems I could find but now whenever I type a command in pex it just gives me a list of all pex commands.

I'm back home so , I've very limited internet, i cant even load that permissions file.

Anyways whitelist me , and i can help tomorrow

MagicSean

i did it! I have no idea what was wrong but I rewrote it permissions by permission and the groups are working.

Now wether the actual permissions themselves are right is still to be tested

MagicSean

Kenno90 wrote: »

I'm back home so , I've very limited internet, i cant even load that permissions file.

Anyways whitelist me , and i can help tomorrow

Is Kenno90 the name to whitelist?

Kenno90

MagicSean wrote: »

Is Kenno90 the name to whitelist?

Sorry ye, noob mistake

gavmcg92

Looking forward to getting back into Tekkit.

MagicSean

Does anyone know how to allow for only mods and above to place lava? I have it disabled as standard in essentials at the moment

Kenno90

I can help with that but not untill later today when i'm back on my PC that has the permission files

Solitaire

Its really not a big issue; I'm much more interested in seeing the custom Lockette settings restored so people can lock alchemy chests, condensers etc.

Kenno90

Solitaire wrote: »

Its really not a big issue; I'm much more interested in seeing the custom Lockette settings restored so people can lock alchemy chests, condensers etc.

Both of them can be done, i thought Sean Fixed the issue with the lockette settings. You have to enter the chest ID into the Custom Block ID...

MagicSean

yeah for some reason it didn't save. i have it changed again so it will work on next reset.

MagicSean

Current problems that need sorting

1) Lockette wont work with iron, crystal, gold chests etc despite adding them to config

2) Core inspect does not treat condensers and alchemical chests as chests for logging

3) Mk2 collector recipes are blocked for some unkown reason.

4) find out why turtles don't work

I'm off work on Wednesday so I'll be looking at all the plugins again. There's also a thief or two around but to be honest, if people wont even close their doors this is gonna happen.

MagicSean

MagicSean wrote: »

Current problems that need sorting

1) Lockette wont work with iron, crystal, gold chests etc despite adding them to config

2) Core inspect does not treat condensers and alchemical chests as chests for logging

3) Mk2 collector recipes are blocked for some unkown reason.

4) find out why turtles don't work

I'm off work on Wednesday so I'll be looking at all the plugins again. There's also a thief or two around but to be honest, if people wont even close their doors this is gonna happen.

Sausageandeggs should be able to help you with number 1, he sorted all that stuff for us on our old server.

For number 2, some logging tools don't log tekkit chests, you'll have to look for one that does.

Do the MK collectors have a code number like 123:15? If so, blocking one collector with the :15 tag will block all blocks with the :15 tag. We used Disablecraft to sort this.

Good luck with your server btw.

MagicSean

MakaDonVeli wrote: »

Sausageandeggs should be able to help you with number 1, he sorted all that stuff for us on our old server.

For number 2, some logging tools don't log tekkit chests, you'll have to look for one that does.

Do the MK collectors have a code number like 123:15? If so, blocking one collector with the :15 tag will block all blocks with the :15 tag. We used Disablecraft to sort this.

Good luck with your server btw.

I'm just a little baffled. I added them the exact same way I added condensers but the chests still don't work.

I'll look out for a plugin that supports tekkit so

I'm using disablecraft. I use the permissions part of it. And there's no restriction on mods making them. In fact everyone should be able to make them. Something else must be blocking them.

I'll post my plugin settings here.

Disablecraft config: http://pastebin.com/9V35Xmph

Essentials config: http://pastebin.com/BYA7p7K8

Lockette config: http://pastebin.com/507tAyVv

Permissions ex file: http://pastebin.com/8fyzpvFZ

Tekkit Restrict config: http://pastebin.com/wRjrk6X1

I'm also looking for a couple of admins if anybody is interested.

Solitaire

Many people can make stuff like Mk2 EE blocks, mining lasers etc. It seems to only be mods and a few random people affected by the permissions bug o_O Indeed, I thought it was only trusted people who had access to Mk2s but it seems that the higher your rank, the fewer blocks you can make

MagicSean

Can't understand it. It worked before. Think i have the lockette issue solved though.

Kenno90

I was on last night and a few people were having trouble making swift rings. I didn't want to make it for them as i didn't know if they were banned for builders, but 10 mins later he was allowed to make it.

Very strange indeed

Solitaire

I was able to make swift, all other rings and the T2 IC weapons are blocked for me though