So the curtain pole was pulled off the wall

axel rose

The child is in bed-no story and feeling very sorry for himself!

An attempt to put a bigger plug into the wall has failed as the plaster seems to have crumbled around it. (he did a right job on it). The hole is about 1/2 cm. Trying to be clever I put a good strong metal plug in beside it but somehow the bloody thing bent and I can't get it out!

In the past I have tried polyfilla type stuff that claims to be drillable when dry but it's never worked- Can anyone recommend a miracle product for me?

meercat

axel rose wrote: »

Can anyone recommend a miracle product for me?

no miracle product

a good handy man with the right tools and fixings

axel rose

I refuse to pay a handyman to do such a small job! So any advice on the right tools and fixings then!

meercat

long rawl plugs and screws that reach the blockwork behind the slab

meercat

frame fixings

http://www.hardwareireland.ie/store/product.php?id=879

axel rose

Hi Meercat,

I have a weird wall. I tried a version of the plugs you used....thats what is bent and stuck in the wall .

Now I'm limited as to how far over I can move.....There is maybe 3-4 inches before I hit the wall behind the plasterboard.

Theres a dragons den idea somewhere in this....

meercat

axel rose wrote: »

Hi Meercat,

I have a weird wall. I tried a version of the plugs you used....thats what is bent and stuck in the wall .

Now I'm limited as to how far over I can move.....There is maybe 3-4 inches before I hit the wall behind the plasterboard.

Theres a dragons den idea somewhere in this....

you need to drill the concrete
you may not have drilled in far enough

Doom

Extra long screws.....

axel rose

The hole in the plasterboard is about 1/2 a cm wide though. I haven't seen a drill bit that is long enough to get in through the plasterboard and then into the block behind it.

There has got to be an easier way.

<Why hasn't someone invented magic putty or a wide rawl plug for a normal screw?>

Do they even exist?

3ndahalfof6

You need to move the position of the holes of the pole holder by 20ml, drill , put in wood wall plugs, you can make these yourself with a good Stanley knife, job done.

they will never move again, you should be able to do chin ups on it.

paddy147

Very easy and simple fix here..........................


100mm frame fixers.

SDS Drill and 8mm sds masonary bit,or a normal hammer drill and 8mm masonary drill bit.

Drill wall to 100mm depth.

Fit frame fixer plug,then fit screw through curtain pole bracket.

Screw into place with a size 3 pozi bit.

Simples.:)

mobfromcork

axel rose wrote: »

The hole in the plasterboard is about 1/2 a cm wide though. I haven't seen a drill bit that is long enough to get in through the plasterboard and then into the block behind it.

There has got to be an easier way.

<Why hasn't someone invented magic putty or a wide rawl plug for a normal screw?>

Do they even exist?

The fixings that Meercat linked to are the way forward. The long metal ones that you may have used can be far more difficult to remove.

If I were in your position I would buy a long drill bit to first drill out the metal fixing if it cannot be pulled out. I would then move sideways as far as you can go and drill through the plasterboard and into the block deep enough to insert the rawl plug that Meercat linked to. The screw/nail that is inserted is usually hammer in and screw out if needed. You may need to buy the longer drill bits. It they should be available in any builders providers.

paddy147

See my post above with pictures of what to do.



No need to make a mountain out of a molehill.

3ndahalfof6

mobfromcork wrote: »

The fixings that Meercat linked to are the way forward. The long metal ones that you may have used can be far more difficult to remove.

If I were in your position I would buy a long drill bit to first drill out the metal fixing if it cannot be pulled out. I would then move sideways as far as you can go and drill through the plasterboard and into the block deep enough to insert the rawl plug that Meercat linked to. The screw/nail that is inserted is usually hammer in and screw out if needed. You may need to buy the longer drill bits. It they should be available in any builders providers.

used them, but for some reason if you have weight they will move and eventually drop.

paddy147

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

used them, but for some reason if you have weight they will move and eventually drop.

No they dont.


How do you thinks radiators are fixed to insulated plasterboard walls in houses??;)

And also heavy curtain poles and lined curtains too.

3ndahalfof6

paddy147 wrote: »

See my post above with pictures of what to do.



No need to make a mountain out of a molehill.

but it is good to know how to do this if times are bad.

paddy147

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

but it is good to know how to do this if times are bad.

Well now you know (as a few of us have said to you now).;):)

meercat

paddy147 wrote: »

Very easy and simple fix here..........................


100mm frame fixers.

SDS Drill and 8mm sds masonary bit,or a normal hammer drill and 8mm masonary drill bit.

Drill wall to 100mm depth.

Fit frame fixer plug,then fit screw through curtain pole bracket.

Screw into place with a size 3 pozi bit.

Simples.:)

post of the day paddy(just the job)
how do you remember to take all the pictures:D

paddy147

meercat wrote: »

post of the day paddy(just the job)
how do you remember to take all the pictures:D

I like pictures.....;):D

Very handy to have a disc or media card full of pictures,incase you ever need or want to look back over things.

meercat

paddy147 wrote: »

I like pictures.....;):D

Very handy to have a disc or media card full of pictures,incase you ever need or want to look back over things.

invaluable to this forum paddy
a picture says a thousand words

croninmccarthy

paddy147 wrote: »

Very easy and simple fix here..........................


100mm frame fixe1rs.

SDS Drill and 8mm sds masonary bit,or a normal hammer drill and 8mm masonary drill bit.

Drill wall to 100mm depth.

Fit frame fixer plug,then fit screw through curtain pole bracket.

Screw into place with a size 3 pozi bit.

Simples.:)

Do all of the above and your sorted. Good advice i would go with it! It dos'nt get much simpler...

paddy147

meercat wrote: »

invaluable to this forum paddy
a picture says a thousand words

My girlfreind hates it when shes working away around the house and garden and I have the camera with me.:pac::D

3ndahalfof6

paddy147 wrote: »

Well now you know (as a few of us have said to you now).;):)

OK I thought I was just trying to be helpful, I work in an industry where I have to adapt, for some reason I seem to do it well, give me a bin I will give you a Ferrari.

BostonB

Personally I fixed a boards to the wall into the wooden studs. Then fixed the curtain to that. Because the plate for the curtain fitting was too small for those long screws, even if I drilled it bigger.

paddy147

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

OK I thought I was just trying to be helpful, I work in an industry where I have to adapt, for some reason I seem to do it well, give me a bin I will give you a Ferrari.

Sure we all have to adapt to and modify things that we come accross each and every day,whether its at work or at home.;)

meercat

BostonB wrote: »

Personally I fixed a boards to the wall into the wooden studs. Then fixed the curtain to that. Because the plate for the curtain fitting was too small for those long screws, even if I drilled it bigger.

yes
some of the retaining plates are way too small for mounting on plasterboard walls
they wont allow for bigger fixing screws
a board mounted behind the rail is a decent alternative

meercat

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

OK I thought I was just trying to be helpful, I work in an industry where I have to adapt, for some reason I seem to do it well, give me a bin I will give you a Ferrari.

what size bin will i send;)

3ndahalfof6

paddy147 wrote: »

Sure we all have to adapt to and modify things that we come accross each and every day,whether its at work or at home.;)

Yes I agree, but most people turn to me or you to try to find a solution, for some reason, which I am not sure why, I seem to be able to come up with the solution,

every time once I say we can do it this way they say yes how did we not see it,

not saying I am brilliant, but I can solve problems.

3ndahalfof6

meercat wrote: »

what size bin will i send;)

LOL, one with a, wake up the neighbors engine.

insulation man

Use an external wall insulation fixing the will hold up a hanging basket they can hold a curtain pole up available from any external wall insulation contractor

paddy147

You can buy large heavy duty and fully adjustable curtain pole brackets in Home Focus for 6 euro per pair.

These brackets come in chrome,stainless steel,satin steel and nickel finish.

They will take frame fixer screws.

meercat

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

LOL, one with a, wake up the neighbors engine.

its on the way:D

3ndahalfof6

How did it descend to this.

meercat

insulation man wrote: »

Use an external wall insulation fixing the will hold up a hanging basket they can hold a curtain pole up available from any external wall insulation contractor

welcome to boards

paddy147

insulation man wrote: »

Use an external wall insulation fixing the will hold up a hanging basket they can hold a curtain pole up available from any external wall insulation contractor

You dont hammer in curtain poles for a very good reason or 2.

meercat

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

How did it descend to this.

nothing on the telly

3ndahalfof6

meercat wrote: »

nothing on the telly

this is true LOL.

3ndahalfof6

simple thing today, we had to clean eighty miles of guttering, (well prob 10 miles), but the roof slate was protruding into the gutter, we used the garden shovel (the one for the weeds), using our hand was very slow, so I decided to use an empty silcone container to push along the gutter,

it worked a treat, picked up everything, plus I could attach it to a 6 foot stick allowing me to get to places that were never visited in 20 yrs,

I need to sleep now.

paddy147

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

simple thing today, we had to clean eighty miles of guttering, (well prob 10 miles), but the roof slate was protruding into the gutter, we used the garden shovel (the one for the weeds), using our hand was very slow, so I decided to use an empty silcone container to push along the gutter,

it worked a treat, picked up everything, plus I could attach it to a 6 foot stick allowing me to get to places that were never visited in 20 yrs,

I need to sleep now.

Sorry,but what has any of that got to do with a fitting a curtain pole and helping the OP??

3ndahalfof6

paddy147 wrote: »

Sorry,but what has any of that got to do with a fitting a curtain pole and helping the OP??

IT tells him there are many ways to fix a problem, while it might not be the first thing you think of, you are most likely to be right in thinking there might be a different way to go about it,

tried and tested is there for a reason, don't give up.

paddy147

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

IT tells him there are many ways to fix a problem, while it might not be the first thing you think of, you are most likely to be right in thinking there might be a different way to go about it,

tried and tested is there for a reason, don't give up.

so a stick,a shovel and a silicone tube will help him to fix his curtain pole???:pac:


PS-It must have been very hard going to clean out 10 miles of guttering in a day...:pac::pac:

Ladder,MEWP or cherrypicker then????

3ndahalfof6

paddy147 wrote: »

so a stick,a shovel and a silicone tube will help him to fix his curtain pole???:pac:


PS-It must have been very hard going to clean out 10 miles of guttering in a day...:pac::pac:

Ladder,MEWP or cherrypicker then????

your so clever,

im guessing you dont work,

axel rose

This is brilliant!

I knew that boards would help me! I didn't think it would give me all that and more!

Thank you ladies and gentlemen, I reckon I'll be buying a new drill bit as my son has many years ahead of him to pull the rest of the curtains off the wall.

Very much appreciated.....

paddy147

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

your so clever,

im guessing you dont work,

IT and Construction Sector in fact.

red sean

Great thread!

ronan45

I have allways used these :O ooops I knew it was too easy lol

http://www.tool-net.co.uk/p-310616/itw-spit-driva-tp12-self-drilling-plasterboard-fixing-with-35mm-screw.html

Now they are holding light curtains and have never gave way. ( never been pulled at)
( certainly not recommending you use them by the way lol)
I dont think they would take much abuse though if someone swung out of them. Paddy so with them long screws your bypassing the plasterboard and hitting the hard brick of the outer wall?. I take it you cant use these on a partition stud wall?
I must use them next time on curtains seem more sturdy

Note to self (keep kids away from my curtains)

BostonB

My 4yr old brought them down with his Indiana Jones (Jonesy) routine. I assumed all houses would have wood above the window specifically for curtains, all older houses I've lived in did, newer houses not. Another victim of the Celtic Tiger Builder.

Maudi

BostonB wrote: »

My 4yr old brought them down with his Indiana Jones (Jonesy) routine. I assumed all houses would have wood above the window specifically for curtains, all older houses I've lived in did, newer houses not. Another victim of the Celtic Tiger Builder.

Dont go drilling any long holes into block walls..all you need is a four foot of two by one timber..locate the battens that the plasterboard is screwed to..(usually starting at a corner they will be out 16 inches)screw your timber horoizontally on to these battens ..paint same colour as walls...now you have a great surface to mount your curtain pole onto...simples.

ronan45

Maudi wrote: »

Dont go drilling any long holes into block walls..all you need is a four foot of two by one timber..locate the battens that the plasterboard is screwed to..(usually starting at a corner they will be out 16 inches)screw your timber horoizontally on to these battens ..paint same colour as walls...now you have a great surface to mount your curtain pole onto...simples.

that seems even handier:D

eire1

Just a quick question for Paddy147. Do you drill the new fittings into new holes or use a bit to make the existing holes longer?

Thanks

paddy147

eire1 wrote: »

Just a quick question for Paddy147. Do you drill the new fittings into new holes or use a bit to make the existing holes longer?

Thanks

Drill new holes for the frame fixers and patch up the old ones with a dab/skim of quick drying Polyfilla or Ronseal filler.

Once the filler has set and is dry,a very light sand down,a lick of diluted white paint,to prime/seal the filler,and then a lick of paint to match the rest of the wall/walls.

Simples.:)


PS-Make sure your drill is set to "hammer action" when drilling into a concrete wall.;)