my first real 'craving'

artyeva

i've spent my first few vaping days salivating over fruits and desserts and going off the 2 plain tobbacco flavours i have - joyetech MAB 18mg and dekang american blend [or something] 24mg.... if you had asked me yesterday i'd have said i'd never want to taste tobacco again.

but...

for some reason this morning i woke up with a ferocious hankering to have the throat ripped off myself... like the first fag of the day usually does... i'm really loving the flavour of vaping different things at different times during the day... but today i'm just missing for the first time the real ''aaah'' throat hit first thing in the morning

there's a packet of marlboro lights in this house somewhere [asked mr artyeva to hide them from me] so before i break the walls down in the next few days looking for them can someone EITHER recommend me a tobbacco juice that'll satisfy my 'first of the day' cravings and rip the throat off me, OR reassure me that this is temporary and will pass? i've chainvaped the 24mg for a few hours there and i feel nothing... it's too cold or something.... i want to cry* :(:(:(:(:(

*cry and rip the walls down

Allah_

This stuff is supposed to be the shiznit.

http://www.houseofliquid.com/CIGARRILLOS-NATURALES-p/eltoro1.htm

I'll be getting it once my current bottle runs out.

Elbow

Any of the El Toro range, I prefer the eden over the others but thats down to personal taste

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/category-s/1826.htm

artyeva

will order it now. [can you sense my despiration!!:o] any ideas about the heat? - or is all that psychological? not the heat of the flavour - the heat of the vapour.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah that's down to wattage

what are you vaping on?

artyeva

just the e-go c 650 batteries with either the wee tanks that came with 'em and i also tried my new shiny kanger t2 that arrived the other day. i dunno - maybe my frustration about the temperature is just down to that nail-biting, paint-peeling, husband-shouting-at cravings i'm experienceing today?

edit... i'm not sure i like the kanger anyway. i taste plastic. i filled it and set it on its side and steeped the wicks for a few hours before i started vaping on it. but something tastes plasticy. not dry burnt hits or anything, just plasticy. i've read that the nova might be better so i've one on the way.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

sometimes clearomisers can take a while to break in.. keep at it and it should improve

i never used the newer clearos so .. someone else will have to jump in with tips for that one



as for the heat of the vape.. you'll want to go for a low resistance atomiser/cartomiser
so for your ego-c
http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/egocatomizer.htm
select the low-resistance option.

the regular voltage of the batteries you have and the low resistance atomiser/cartomisers will produce a warmer/more powerful vape.

or if it's just first thing in the morning you want it for.. maybe a dripping atomiser that's very low resistance

http://www.e-smokeireland.eu/product-p/510bridge.htm
something like this is 1.5 ohms.. on a regular ego battery, this will give a pretty decent kick.

I have a rebuildable (I remake my own coils inside the atomiser) but I make my coils around 1.5ohms and vape them on a standard battery like the one you have... does the job for me.



honestly im not sure how to suggest you deal with the cravings... with me, as soon as I started vaping.. I didn't experience any.. how are you inhaling the vapour?

the best way to do it is a long slow drag, let the vapour sit in your mouth as you do this.. and then sharply inhale it all

alternatively you can just suck on the mouthpiece, drawing the vapour directly into your lungs... this rips the **** out of the back of your throat.. but it's a more direct nicotine hit, might be what you want first thing in the morning...

if you're vaping 24mg anyway it more than likely isn't that the nic content of your juice is too low.. although some people do vape 36mg or even above... there'll likely be some experimentation in your future as you try to figure out what works best for you.. or it might just be a case of a bit of will control to get you through the difficult bit and from then you'll be fine

grindle

I think you were in another thread talking about possibly rebuilding?
If it was you, get an eGo Twist, a multimeter, the lavatube in bernardamaac's post here, a rebuildable atomiser like the Phoenix, some wick, some wire, make a dual-coil that reads at 1.6 ohms.

A 14 watt vape combined with an El Toro juice, or anything 24mg, will batter your throat.

There's a bit of learning with coiling, but we can teach you.

Edit: Now we're talking about a Lavatube, you could make a dual-coil that measures at 2 ohms, which, at 6v, would give you an 18 watt vape.

Sher, you'd be bolloxed after that.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

lol

my god if someone had suggested I try to set up a dual coil rebuildable a few weeks into starting vaping...

grindle

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

lol

my god if someone had suggested I try to set up a dual coil rebuildable a few weeks into starting vaping...

I know, the same... but I think she mentioned it in another thread, so we'll test her desire for this warm vape. :P

Elbow

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

lol

my god if someone had suggested I try to set up a dual coil rebuildable a few weeks into starting vaping...

I'm only just managing to get a single coil performing as I want

But saying that some people seem to get the nack of building them straight away, If the OP can get into it then she will be flying it

artyeva

grindle wrote: »

I think you were in another thread talking about possibly rebuilding?
If it was you, get an eGo Twist, a multimeter, the lavatube in bernardamaac's post here, a rebuildable atomiser like the Phoenix, some wick, some wire, make a dual-coil that reads at 1.6 ohms.

A 14 watt vape combined with an El Toro juice, or anything 24mg, will batter your throat.

There's a bit of learning with coiling, but we can teach you.

Edit: Now we're talking about a Lavatube, you could make a dual-coil that measures at 2 ohms, which, at 6v, would give you an 18 watt vape.

Sher, you'd be bolloxed after that.

please please please don't take this in any other way than the jest it was said but... i see your lips moving but... what you've said is gobble-dee-gook to me.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

lol

i may have mentioned a lava tube somewhere but only cause when i tried someone else's at vapfest it was like driving a scania as opposed to my little 1.2 VW all that talk about ohms and volts and watts brings me right back to 1st year science in secondary school where my brain went ''this will be of no use to you in art college love - cog yer homework till yer inter cert then give it up''.

i'll have to check the resistance of the atomisers i got with the kit - which are in a bag somewhere. so... lower resistance = lower ohm number = more vapour and more heat?

as for inhaling, i'm finding i need to take two or 3 big loooong puffs into my mouth to get 'enough' then inhaling it. today i was trying everything i could bar sticking a hot poker down my throat. but still not enough of a thump.

i'll have a go at distracting myself the next few days till the el toro arrives, and get new heads for my atomisers if the ones i have are the regular ones. i know i'm going to stick with it. this morning was just a blip. hugs for all the support here btw, ye're great.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlZnGjZRjO_UdGo3VVlnVHY0VExZLVd5aDkwUEJEZXc#gid=1

this chart might confuse you more than it helps.. butwhat the hell i'll give it a shot

your battery works on a set voltage (most likely.. most ego batteries are regulated to a certain voltage so I'll just assume yours is)

it's usually 3.2 or 3.4 v so i'll just say 3.2v for the sake of easiness


with a 2.2ohm coil inside the atomiser at 3.2v you get 4.65 watts.

watts is the power of the vape.. the heat basically. it also effects the flavour of the vape but only as a result of it affecting the heat...kinda


with a 1.5ohm coil inside an atomiser at 3.2v you get 6.83 watts.. that's almost 2 watts more. now 1 watt means nothing to you.. but basically.. bigger number, warmer vape... feels kinda rougher and more ciglike.



try a direct lung inhale.. see if that satisfies you a bit more. wouldnt recomend it all the time.. but if you're desperate for a kick it might satisfy you for a bit

just press the button and suck in.. dont keep the vapour in your mouth just suck it directly into your lungs. see if that does anything for you

Anyone

I dont know what kit you are using, I can only go on mine(Kanger and an eGo-T). But what I have found today messing around is, I hold the button down while the tip is in my mouth. Hold and leave it in your mouth then inhale. I am getting some really nice smooth intake and it feels like a proper drag.

sept09baby

A twist might be a good investment. You can dial up the voltage for an extra kick. Doesn't go as high as the lavatube but for about €20 it's a fraction of the cost. You don't need separate chargers - will fit everything you have for the standard Ego

Elbow

might be worth downloading the vaopurcast episode 60 podcast,

I was listening to it earlier and they answered a listener's question about what the hell watts, ohms and volts are and how they affect your vape

Calibos

My Mini Vivi was the same with regard to the plasticky taste. All my juices tasted the same in it and it was not a nice taste....for the first day.

Its been great ever since.

When I ordered mine I ordered spare atomisers. I researched which one to get and the concensus was the 2.4 ohm so thats what I got. After a week I swapped out the 2.4's for the 1.8 while cleaning the 2.4's, Ah man!! The 1.8ohm atomisers at 4.6v were amazing. The flavour I found much nicer and stronger and the throathit was great. I guess I am a hot vaper...in more ways than one

At least I only wasted 4 extra euro on the 2.4 atomisers. Giotta get me a suplly of 1.8's now.

With regard to the craving. I had a few cravings a day for the first week. I gave into those cravings too because there was another family member in the house still smoking at the time. Once that source of the odd real fag was gone I actually craved and thought about them less. 2 weeks later and not craving even the odd one now.

artyeva

thanks guys.

digby, the chart didn't make any sense at all but after re-reading your explanation about ten times, and getting mr artyeva to dig up the residual memory of his first year in college and help me with some venn diagrams, i think i *finally* have it!

looking at the twist batteries again - i think i'll give them a go. skint now but got a letter from el government today that there's a refund cheque in the post so it'll be spent on kitting myself out a bit more. it's a refund of the health levy, so it's kinda appropriate to spend it on vaping, right?

artyeva

this morning was.... hard.

hopefully the el toro will arrive on monday and take the edge off a bit till i can order the twists/stomisers and get properly set up. this is hard.

jamie72

artyeva wrote: »

this morning was.... hard.

hopefully the el toro will arrive on monday and take the edge off a bit till i can order the twists/stomisers and get properly set up. this is hard.

I was really worried about the mornings too, as I also like ripping the throat off myself, alongside a nice cup of coffee in the morning. So I decided to do both for a while so I wasn't 'banning' myself from smoking. I just said this in another thread, and it might be helpful to you: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80879999&postcount=39

artyeva

thanks jamie.

i have high hopes for this juice!

Elbow

jamie72 wrote: »

I was really worried about the mornings too, as I also like ripping the throat off myself, alongside a nice cup of coffee in the morning. So I decided to do both for a while so I wasn't 'banning' myself from smoking. I just said this in another thread, and it might be helpful to you: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80879999&postcount=39

This is the same approach as I took (kinda),

7 months ago I was smoking 20 fags a day plus at least 2 more for every pint I drank on a night out,

When I got my first eGo kit I stopped buying a box every morning no problem but I couldn't go out for a pint after work or out with friends at the weekend without having a smoke.

For the first 3-4 weeks I didnt touch a cigarette at work or at home but smoked as normal on a night out, then I started having 5 or 6 left in the box after the night, next thing I was down to having maybe 2 over the 5 or 6 hours I was in the pub.

The last time I tasted a cigarette was 10 weeks ago, It took me almost 5 months to completely pack them in.

In hindsight I think I was over the mental thing within a few weeks but I was being too self conscious about being seen vaping in a pub/beer garden, now i'm more than happy (most of the time ) to answer anyone's questions, be it in the pub, walking down the street (has happened) or where ever

Don't be to hard on yourself over not being able to pack them in completely straight away, every time you pick up your e-cig instead of sparking up a fag its a mini victory and if your like me as the taste buds begin to function properly again you'll realize how disgusting cigarettes actually taste and you wont even think about reaching for a pack

jamie72

artyeva wrote: »

thanks jamie.

i have high hopes for this juice!

It's not like smoking a real cig artyeva, don't set your hopes too high.

2putts

A quick and fairly cheap way of getting a bit more hit would be to buy a LR 306 atomiser and drip tip. They can be used on an ego battery.

You'll get good flavour and a hotter vape than most tank type systems deliver.

artyeva

2putts wrote: »

A quick and fairly cheap way of getting a bit more hit would be to buy a LR 306 atomiser and drip tip. They can be used on an ego battery.

You'll get good flavour and a hotter vape than most tank type systems deliver.

like this? is there a little bowl or something under the coil thing where the juice sits, is that how they work? this refund check can't come fast enough then!

Elbow wrote: »

In hindsight I think I was over the mental thing within a few weeks but I was being too self conscious about being seen vaping in a pub/beer garden, now i'm more than happy (most of the time ) to answer anyone's questions, be it in the pub, walking down the street (has happened) or where ever

yeah i haven't brought this out yet. it's not very far down the shiny tube route but i'm still a bit self conscious yet. pour a few vodkas down my throat though and i doubt i'll give a hoot :pac: have you vaped indoors in a pub? any hassle? or did you ask staff first or something?

grindle

A lot of pubs say "No." because they'll have to deal with douchenozzles thinking they can smoke.
Can't hurt to ask though!

Pubs in Ireland that allow vaping

Eldon's, Clonmel
Loughlins, Carlow
Thornes, Kilmessan, Co. Meath
The Brew Dock, Amiens St, Dublin 1
The Harbour Master, Dublin 1
Messer Maguires, Dublin 2
Mulligans, Poolbeg St, Dublin 2
The Gin Palance, Abbey St, Dublin 1
The Milestone, Balbriggan, Co. Dublin

sept09baby

I feel like a dipso now - I added 7 of the pubs on that list!

Think we should add the Abbeyleix Manor after last weekend

2putts

Here's a review and a look at the Cisco 306

http://www.e-cig-reviews.com/306%20atomiser.html

I like the Bauway ones, they are very good

Allah_

artyeva wrote: »

have you vaped indoors in a pub? any hassle? or did you ask staff first or something?

I've vaped the sh!t out of it in a few clubs n pubs in Cork. No problems at all, just random people asking me where they can buy one.

artyeva

Allah_ wrote: »

I've vaped the sh!t out of it

that made me :pac::pac:


yeah, think i might put one of those 306 atomisers on my ever increasing shopping list, gives me another option to try out. i'm so bloody determined to make this work!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

if you get a 306, you'll need a specific 306 drip tip

thebestshop.eu have them

artyeva

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

if you get a 306, you'll need a specific 306 drip tip

thebestshop.eu have them

#

yeah i saw them there alright, cheers digsby.

artyeva

The el toro arrived. It is *the bomb*!! I'm liking the naturales just a wee bit more than the Eden so far but they're both delicious. Seriously... thank-you for the recommendation. Taste wise and back of the throat wise this just might work for these mornings, its 70% there already, even with my current set up. Smoky throat goodness.

Small thing... the bottles... am I missing some obvious reason they're so user un-friendly? I had to trek off bleary eyed and frustrated to the chemist and buy a flippin syringe to get the flippin stuff out of the flippin bottle. Would it have killed them to put a nice wee dripper cap on their fancy bottle? for the price like?!

newmark

artyeva wrote: »

The el toro arrived. It is *the bomb*!! I'm liking the naturales just a wee bit more than the Eden so far but they're both delicious. Seriously... thank-you for the recommendation. Taste wise and back of the throat wise this just might work for these mornings, its 70% there already, even with my current set up. Smoky throat goodness.

Small thing... the bottles... am I missing some obvious reason they're so user un-friendly? I had to trek off bleary eyed and frustrated to the chemist and buy a flippin syringe to get the flippin stuff out of the flippin bottle. Would it have killed them to put a nice wee dripper cap on their fancy bottle? for the price like?!

I think the glass bottles hold the flavor better and that's why they come like that.

You can also get a needle with a blunt syringe or a needle bottle or what I do is use a recycled smaller bottle from another liquid and top it up as needed and just put a handwritten sticker label on them if your doing it with more than one flavor or bottle.

jamie72

The El toros cap is terrible isn't t? I just pulled the syringe feeder out and pour it directly. The liquids so thick that a I haven't spilled a drop yet.

artyeva

newmark wrote: »

I think the glass bottles hold the flavor better and that's why they come like that.

You can also get a needle with a blunt syringe or a needle bottle or what I do is use a recycled smaller bottle from another liquid and top it up as needed and just put a handwritten sticker label on them if your doing it with more than one flavor or bottle.

jamie72 wrote: »

The El toros cap is terrible isn't t? I just pulled the syringe feeder out and pour it directly. The liquids so thick that a I haven't spilled a drop yet.

yeah, vendors should put a note on their el toro page though... upsell, people - upsell!!! i would have bought one had they'd had a link to a needle bottle there and then. anyway, i'll know for the next time. i'll be ordering this again.

seriously i've turned a corner here i think, looking forward to getting my new batteries and atomizer now. thanks everyone for your help

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

newmark wrote: »

I think the glass bottles hold the flavor better and that's why they come like that.

yeah Im wondering about that too..

I do find that if I fill up my 20ml bottle with some cigarillos.. it starts off amazing but after a couple of weeks (so many juices to go through lately, havent really been touching the cigarilos)... it loses something

I thought I was going nuts so I carefully poured a tiny bit from the glass bottle into my bulli and it was noticably better.

I might have to spring for some empty 5ml bottles and just fill these up rather than filling up a 20ml bottle and using it for a couple of weeks.

artyeva

yeah most fodstuffs [olive oil, cordials, syrups] that come in glass bottles taste better so it stands to reason it would be the same with e-juice i suppose.

grindle

artyeva wrote: »

yeah most fodstuffs [olive oil, cordials, syrups]

...Chef Ketchup...

DirtyBollox

must try out that bottle of el toros puros i got at vapefest soon.

must give it a go as ye wont stop raving about it :rolleyes:

sept09baby

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

I might have to spring for some empty 5ml bottles and just fill these up rather than filling up a 20ml bottle and using it for a couple of weeks.

I have some of those little glass ones they were using for samples at vapefest.Will hang on to them for you if you want?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

oh, great thanks

Allah_

I read that the El Toro stuff gunks up the e-cigs pretty quickly... is that true? For those El Toro veterans here, do you find you have to clean/replace your equipment more often?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

newmark

Allah_ wrote: »

I read that the El Toro stuff gunks up the e-cigs pretty quickly... is that true? For those El Toro veterans here, do you find you have to clean/replace your equipment more often?

You could try thinning out the El Toro by 10% with distilled water. I did this today and its working/wicking very well with no loss of flavour, throathit or vapour produced, if anything I think I'm getting more vapour due to the better wicking. Its too early to tell if the cartos will last longer this way but I suspect they will.

artyeva

306 atomizer arrived today and it's... great! the difference in heat and most of all taste is something i could get used to very easily.

can i ask yet another total noooob question though - should the atomizer and the drip tip get so hot? i mean it's not burning hot or anything - but it's hot. am i doing something wrong? the plastic of the tip won't melt will it?! and assuming i save this for my morning vapage, how long do they last?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah 306's get ****ing hot

no idea how long they'll last, couple of weeks I guess? .. it can depend a lot on the juice you're using, the rotation of jupiter, the off chance you get a dud atomiser that craps out early


as for the drip tip melting.. honestly dont know. generally i would imagine it's a good idea to leave the atti down for a few minutes to cool down when it gets too hot but i dont know if that's just a good idea because it's a good idea or if there's a risk of damaging the tip

--edit

had a google, apparently yes there is a risk of the plastic melting

im assuming you can get non-plastic 306 drip tips although i've no idea where. just try not to get it too hot and you should be fine

----edit
http://www.vapingthings.com/510306_DRIP_TIPS_VARIOUS_TYPES_FROM_099/p1311952_7250052.aspx#

there's a steel 306 drip tip here so presumably there's other stuff out there as well

artyeva

digby what the frick would i do without ya?!

when i googled 306 tips i only found the plastic ones in the same 4 colours, might do a bit more digging now i know i can get a metal one. 4.50 sterling seems a bit steep for me - but then i'm cheap.

state of that 510 one with the skulls though, lol. :pac:

2putts

Using one full time on my bottom feeding Reos a 306 lasts me about 2 weeks. A vodka soak overnight will often revive one and give me another week or two. Lots of people seem to get quite a bit more out of them but I dislike any wimping off.

A 306 will get hot in use but there is no danger of melting a drip tip. The bestshop do a long version if you find the short one a bit hot or the cannon ones are very good too though they can be hard to find.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

http://www.cloud9vaping.co.uk/GoodSense-Vapor-306DCA-Black

if you really really like the 306's you might want something like this DCA. it looks like it'd transform the 306 into a pretty handy out and about device as well, plus it will work with a 510 drip tip of which there are stainless steel/ceramic models in abundance

it's not exactly cheap but if you really really like the 306... well I guess xmas is coming up soon

artyeva

stop making me want to buy things :eek::p