Zooming swiftly on from the Dublin Half 2012..

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Wow sub 2 hours will be amazing! Are you still following Hal?

Darren 83

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Wow sub 2 hours will be amazing! Are you still following Hal?

I'm not following the plan at the moment, will do when I do the full marathon Sub 2 half should be fun

RedRunner

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Week 2 report

Well it was all GO this week, a tough spin class on Monday, and 3 miles on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday. By Friday I was glad of the rest! I'm just in from my long run of 7 miles in 1hr 22, I felt quite good and I am definitely sure the mid week runs are the big help. Next week is "step back" week on Hals plan, the mid week runs increase slightly but next Sunday calls for 5 miles, a decrease in distance. He works on a 2 week increase and then an easier week, I'm trusting in his programme and so far I'm enjoying it. I'm loving crossing off the runs on a big wall planner I have taped to my fridge.
How's everyone getting on?
Q. What do you eat before a run? This morning I had 2 belvita biscuits and black coffee about an hour before.

For a long run I try eat porridge and maybe banana at least an hour beforehand. For evening midweek runs just something small like banana or even nothing depending on distance and then have something when I get back.

For the really long run the main thing is a good meal (high Carb if possible)night before and plenty of fluids for days before.

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Yeah, on a Saturday night I usually have pasta!
During the week I get up at 5 to have a coffee, get things "moving" LOL and head out for my run at 5.30, I don't feel I need to have food before, but I was wondering as my Sunday runs get longer would I be better having porridge before? When I do my 20 miler I plan to have a practise for race day, start at same time etc and have breakfast.

RedRunner

Porridge is good because it has slow release energy but it doesn't suit everyone. The important is to try a few things in training and find the right solution for you.
It is important to have that"movement" before you go out though:)
Nothing worse than being caught short on a long run!

Darren 83

Plan your long run so there is a toilet along the way, or shop for water or Lucozade.

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Just back from 3 miles in the thick snow, it was amazing! Having Bircher porridge this morning, anyone tried it?

average_runner

I don't eat anything before long run in the morning. Alot of people do one or the other. Not eating will burn more fat.

I would have a good dinner night before though.

If you need a drink, try tesco isotonic drink, its way cheaper. Once you start hitting long miles you can also stop at a shop for another bottle if needed.

Start to think about gels when your hitting 18 miles if u plan to use them in the marathon, as they can play hell with ur stomach. So need to trial a few.

Darren 83

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I don't eat anything before long run in the morning. Alot of people do one or the other. Not eating will burn more fat.

I would have a good dinner night before though.

If you need a drink, try tesco isotonic drink, its way cheaper. Once you start hitting long miles you can also stop at a shop for another bottle if needed.

Start to think about gels when your hitting 18 miles if u plan to use them in the marathon, as they can play hell with ur stomach. So need to trial a few.

I tried gels didn't agree with me, tried the bars found them to be better.

average_runner

Darren 83 wrote: »

I tried gels didn't agree with me, tried the bars found them to be better.

Yeah its whatever works for you. Some people will not take anything either.

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I think even a psychological boost from taking a gel can help! I plan to start practising with them from week 12 or so, 16 miles onward to get me used to them. To be honest I would just as soon run on an empty stomach in the morning, thats great news if it burns more fat (really??)

scriba

I'm also a believer in running on 'empty' in the mornings. You get used to it quick enough. I'm not sure whether to use gels or not for longer runs later in the programme though. I'd much rather do without.

Best of luck with the marathon plan, zooming!

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Thanks guys!!

Darren 83

Finally got around to run on my local track, like running on air did 10x400s. Hopefully it will speed me up in order to get sub 2 hour half. I signed up for the meath spring half in three weeks.

average_runner

Darren 83 wrote: »

Finally got around to run on my local track, like running on air did 10x400s. Hopefully it will speed me up in order to get sub 2 hour half. I signed up for the meath spring half in three weeks.

Try a few 1000m also. Say 4-5 of them. Not to close to the race. Also do tempo runs.

Darren 83

average_runner wrote: »

Try a few 1000m also. Say 4-5 of them. Not to close to the race. Also do tempo runs.

I'll be doing 10 mile Thursday what way would you break it down for a tempo run?

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Darren 83 wrote: »

I'll be doing 10 mile Thursday what way would you break it down for a tempo run?

Good luck with your 10 miler!

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Week 3 report

No spin class this week as Monday was full on with appointments of one sort or other. Tuesday dawned with thick fresh snow so what the hell I was out in it at 5am and it was GLORIOUS! I loved it, so invigorating. Wednesday was wet wet wet and I had a slight increase to 4 miles to do, Tuesday and Thursday were still 3 miles each, slow and steady pace. I'm liking the mid week runs. I do find I need to be organised and have my kit out ready to step into in the mornings, get my coffee, loo and out the door about 5.30am. I need to be in bed at the very latest 9.30pm during the week. Last night was a friends birthday dinner and I was out till after 12, and therefore didn't sleep great. Thankfully this is a step back week on Hal Higdons programme and I had 5 miles to do, it was SO WET today, I was wringing when I came in... Plus I tried to go as fast (sic) as I could up and down hills, 5 miles 57 mins. The other half says to me YOU DIDN'T GO FAR TODAY... A slap in the chops almost happened as I was standing there drowned and panting.....
Next Sunday will be a jump up to 9 miles so no more nights out for me till after this marathon.

Darren 83

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Week 3 report

No spin class this week as Monday was full on with appointments of one sort or other. Tuesday dawned with thick fresh snow so what the hell I was out in it at 5am and it was GLORIOUS! I loved it, so invigorating. Wednesday was wet wet wet and I had a slight increase to 4 miles to do, Tuesday and Thursday were still 3 miles each, slow and steady pace. I'm liking the mid week runs. I do find I need to be organised and have my kit out ready to step into in the mornings, get my coffee, loo and out the door about 5.30am. I need to be in bed at the very latest 9.30pm during the week. Last night was a friends birthday dinner and I was out till after 12, and therefore didn't sleep great. Thankfully this is a step back week on Hal Higdons programme and I had 5 miles to do, it was SO WET today, I was wringing when I came in... Plus I tried to go as fast (sic) as I could up and down hills, 5 miles 57 mins. The other half says to me YOU DIDN'T GO FAR TODAY... A slap in the chops almost happened as I was standing there drowned and panting.....
Next Sunday will be a jump up to 9 miles so no more nights out for me till after this marathon.

Well done keep it up Zooming

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100 days to go!
Crap!
Getting scared!! I'm following my plan to the letter so far, have almost 4 weeks completed, 9 miles to do tomorrow. Now the distance really will start to creep up and I'm ****ting myself to put it mildly.
Gulp

RedRunner

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100 days to go!
Crap!
Getting scared!! I'm following my plan to the letter so far, have almost 4 weeks completed, 9 miles to do tomorrow. Now the distance really will start to creep up and I'm ****ting myself to put it mildly.
Gulp

One word...Immodium:)

Just kiddin.. I felt the same trainign for my first marathon so don't be scared, you are doing all the right things so far. You'll be surprised over the coming weeks what you'll be able to achieve , you've just got to stick with it.
Remember you had similar feelings before your halfM and you got through that no bother!

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Week 4 report

Monday spin class
Tuesday. 3 miles
Wednesday 4 miles
Thursday. 3 miles
Saturday 9 miles
Miles are starting to build now and I had to change my long run to today, as other half needs taken to airport in the morning. I had no lunch and took a small slice of wheaten with jam and a coffee before I went out, at 3.30pm plus a gel. I want to try and get used to them! Guts were a bit crampy at mile 2 don't know if it was the wheaten or the gel, at mile 5 I really thought I was going to have a "brown trouser" moment but it passed without incident!
The hills really pull the legs out of me and I find I need to walk up some of them, which slows my pace to nothing, I was aiming for a quicker time today but came in at 1 hr 48 for my 9 miles.
I do a bit of stretching and have a bath after my long runs, what do you all do? Also I bought a "for goodness shake" and took half a bottle there, supposed to be good after a long run. Thoughts?

RedRunner

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Week 4 report

Guts were a bit crampy at mile 2 don't know if it was the wheaten or the gel, at mile 5 I really thought I was going to have a "brown trouser" moment but it passed without incident!

Could have been either.I think High Fibre before a long run is probably worth avoiding. Again experiment with the gels.Which one did you use today?

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I do a bit of stretching and have a bath after my long runs, what do you all do? Also I bought a "for goodness shake" and took half a bottle there, supposed to be good after a long run. Thoughts?

For the really long runs I find sitting in a cold bath for 5-10 mins followed by shower helps recovery. Otherwise you could just try using shower to hose your legs down with cold water. That works too for me. As for recovery drinks. Someone suggested on this forum before , Chocolate Milk, so I am very partial to that now.

Darren 83

Must try chocolate milk, id eat around me after a long run. I would normaly have scrambled egg good protien and b2 vit good for repairing muscles, Have 13.10 miles to do tomorrow. Zooming try to run up hills it will help a lot. I try and do hill repeats each week good for building leg strenght.

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RedRunner wrote: »

Could have been either.I think High Fibre before a long run is probably worth avoiding. Again experiment with the gels.Which one did you use today?

I used High5 gel today without caffeine, next Sunday I have 10 to do so I will try again then and see the reaction! Minus the wheaten

For the really long runs I find sitting in a cold bath for 5-10 mins followed by shower helps recovery. Otherwise you could just try using shower to hose your legs down with cold water. That works too for me. As for recovery drinks. Someone suggested on this forum before , Chocolate Milk, so I am very partial to that now.

Yum! Choc milk is lovely, high in calories though? I have tried the ice bath after really long runs so once I get around 12 + miles I will give that a go again

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Darren 83 wrote: »

Must try chocolate milk, id eat around me after a long run. I would normaly have scrambled egg good protien and b2 vit good for repairing muscles, Have 13.10 miles to do tomorrow. Zooming try to run up hills it will help a lot. I try and do hill repeats each week good for building leg strenght.[/Quote

Good luck tomorrow!!!
Yeah I do run up some hills albeit slow but sometimes I feel wrecked and need a wee walk up the next one. That's the trouble living here it's very hilly up and down! Not many nice flat stretches to get a decent rhythm going. Ah well just have to keep at it!!!]

RedRunner

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Yum! Choc milk is lovely, high in calories though? I have tried the ice bath after really long runs so once I get around 12 + miles I will give that a go again

Usually the milk is low fat/skimmed and remember even after your run is finished you can still be burning calories so I wouldn't worry too much about that unless you are drinking gallons of the stuff.

As Darren says also protein is good for repair of those muscle fibres.
I recommend this book by Nancy Clark as a good all round reference on sports nutrition http://www.humankinetics.com/products/all-products/nancy-clarks-sports-nutrition-guidebook-4th-edition

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Must check it out. It's hard to get the eating right as I would like a stone off and would love to cut carbs but that's a runners no no! I usually have poached eggs on whole meal bread and a few slices of avocado or quorn sausages after my Sunday run. Boy I'm ready for it! I am usually starving after a run

Darren 83

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Must check it out. It's hard to get the eating right as I would like a stone off and would love to cut carbs but that's a runners no no! I usually have poached eggs on whole meal bread and a few slices of avocado or quorn sausages after my Sunday run. Boy I'm ready for it! I am usually starving after a run

I didn't eat right at all yesterday don't feel up for a run in the morning will do it at 3. Was in Dublin all day yesterday got nice running tops in penneys for 6 euro bargain, had to get a new belt as well old nike one was rubbish bottles kept leaking.

I know its tough running up hills but keep pushing at them if you get too comfortable walking them you will keep doing it.

Darren 83

I started my own log instead on hijacking Zoomings

Would like any help or input
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